The section on CL that a lot of spas used to advertise is gone as well.
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The section on CL that a lot of spas used to advertise is gone as well.
[QUOTE=WalterKovacs;3789040]The real question. Is this good or bad for mongers? Does this put the power back in the hands of mongers to bargain prices or does this drive prices up on providers end?[/QUOTE]Short-term, I'd expect to see more business move toward sites that haven't been affected like Eros, etc. I also think AMPs will be busier and there may be a reappearance of SW traffic where there wasn't before. Long-term, something will fill the void as it always has. What that something is will depend on the marketplace. My guess is that BP had too much baggage and even their recent changes weren't enough to save them. What happens to them now will depend on the courts. Any new websites will have the advantage of knowing what LE is targeting and will be able to tailor their service accordingly.
As these disruptions play out, pricing will probably be volatile as individual providers and clients try to use the situation to their own advantage. A client who is desperate for a nut is going to overpay more than one who can maintain price discipline. And there will be some providers who will lower their prices if business drops off and they can't pay for their needs.
Interesting times. Stay tuned.
Looks like CL is also taking proactive steps to avoid the BP treatment.
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3789727]Looks like CL is also taking proactive steps to avoid the BP treatment.[/QUOTE]Saw this too.
[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3789702]Short-term, I'd expect to see more business move toward sites that haven't been affected like Eros, etc. I also think AMPs will be busier and there may be a reappearance of SW traffic where there wasn't before. Long-term, something will fill the void as it always has. What that something is will depend on the marketplace. My guess is that BP had too much baggage and even their recent changes weren't enough to save them. What happens to them now will depend on the courts. Any new websites will have the advantage of knowing what LE is targeting and will be able to tailor their service accordingly.
As these disruptions play out, pricing will probably be volatile as individual providers and clients try to use the situation to their own advantage. A client who is desperate for a nut is going to overpay more than one who can maintain price discipline. And there will be some providers who will lower their prices if business drops off and they can't pay for their needs.
Interesting times. Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]I say now is the time for gentlemen to collectively withhold to maintain order and put clients back in driver seat.
Full disclosure: I'm not a lawyer, although I did have a provider dress up as a legal secretary at a Holiday Inn Express last night (wink wink).
But, IIRC, the new FOSTA law hasn't been signed by the Prez so, whatever the Feds have on BP, they have it under existing law.
Since the notice on the website also lists the IRS and Postal Inspection Service, I'm guessing they dug up something related to tax evasion, alleged money laundering, or something related to the mail. Although the notice says more info will be released after 6 pm, I haven't seen any specifics and there's no press release yet from DOJ.
As always, the devil is in the details so we don't really know yet what legal issues are involved. But, whatever it is, it's not FOSTA-related because that hasn't taken effect yet.
With so many sites being shut down today the question is how do providers and their clients connect now? I don't know yet, but think that several members of this forum could contact some favorite providers and see what they plan to do now and share that info here. Any thoughts?
The Drudge Report had a link to the following article from Arizona:
[URL]http://www.azfamily.com/story/37898603/fbi-raids-sedona-home-of-backpagecom-founder-michael-lacey[/URL]
So much for the First Amendment in the USA What next?
According to this site, the bill was presented to the president for his signature or veto this past Wednesday. He has yet to act. I hope he vetoes the bill and tells Congress where to stick it.
[URL]https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1865[/URL]
Interesting to read what actual workers are saying. Also, this is not geographic specific, so perspective from all over:
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/SexWorkers/[/URL]
[QUOTE=BayouJ;3791125]Interesting to read what actual workers are saying. Also, this is not geographic specific, so perspective from all over:
[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/SexWorkers/[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the Reddit link. Followed a link from one of the posts and found this helpful info:
[URL]https://gerzilla.de/channel/cat-gun/?f=&mid=f92758fc66f535978e0d879070a0b2bf32d3efd8eb5ed6c7149119eaa4dbafdf[/URL]
Click the "expand" button at the bottom to see the entire post.
Eccie and TER (The Erotic Review) now also down.
[URL]https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-07/feds-seize-backpagecom-online-prostitution-crackdown[/URL]
We know it's not FOSTA, since that law hasn't gone into effect yet. So my thoughts have been that, after BP beat the charges against them in CA, the Feds continued to dig to see what kind of dirt they could find.
Most of the article is just a rehash of old arguments but, in the 3rd paragraph, it says the following:
"Investigators had discovered that, despite selling their interest in the site to a foreign company, the company's co-founders still maintained control through a network of shell companies".
If that's the case, and since the principal reason for a shell company would be to disguise ownership or control, then perhaps the main focus is on money laundering or something similar.
If that's true, then obviously the Feds will try to claim the 1st amendment isn't an issue. Whether they can successfully do that is another matter. Right now the info is incomplete since the indictment hasn't been released. That'll make for some interesting reading when it happens.
[QUOTE=Skooby;3791409]Eccie and TER (The Erotic Review) now also down.[/QUOTE]If you use a VPN or TOR Browser, you can still access TER (and maybe ECCIE). TER is only blocked to the US and TOR will route you through a proxy outside the US.
Plus, if you use a VPN or TOR-like browser, your internet usage is hidden from your ISP.
BSOT.
Stoop.
[QUOTE=Skooby;3791409]Eccie and TER (The Erotic Review) now also down.[/QUOTE]TER is blocked for US IPs, can be accessed via Tor w / VPN.
[QUOTE=BaconBread;3791474]TER is blocked for US IPs, can be accessed via Tor w / VPN.[/QUOTE]Another VPN that works is the one that comes free with the Opera browser. Just choose a non-US location as your connection option. The free Opera VPN app will work similarly on Android phones, not sure about iPhone, but only while using a wifi connection.