"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Hernando;1651724]Interesting observation JG. I have to admit that I wonder about many of these SBs who were brought up in decent homes, probably taught appropriate moral behavior, and who are willing to sell themselves. Of course we SDs are buying so we are complicit in perpetuating the the system. On one hand I am grateful that we are able to "help" these needy young women but at what cost? This phenomenon goes waaaay beyond a small % of girls. SA has published numbers which I forget at the moment but they are significant. So even excluding the desperately needy unemployed and single mothers, middle class college girls are casually seeking easy money to make ends meet, or even to gain a thrill, add to that wardrobe, whatever the motivation. I asked several therapists who see these girls what is up? The answer is financial need, on line opportunity, and a desensitizing of moral limits brought on by the Madonna, Brittany, Paris, Kardashian role models. Girls are shown that they, like men, can use their sexuality to forward their agenda in life. Exit June Cleaver and Doris Day. Which attitude is better? Probably somewhere in the middle. I know that I don't want my daughter in the Sugar Bowl. A double standard? You betcha. See you on SA[/QUOTE]Every SB I've had, every one, has had some sort of Daddy issue.

Man I feel like I am studying for my PHD SD / SB. I have been reading the forum for four straight days now and I am about 50% through it. I am so glad I found this site. I must thank the great Magic Rat for that. I am not very close to the Richmond area (Florida) but this site seems to have national status. Amazing. There is I believe an incredible need out there on both sides and this forum helps with that.

At Zomby, I hear ya man. I am a little worried but not too much. The chance of getting HIV infection from one unprotected encounter is 1 in 5, 000, 000 (JAMA) there is a lot of scare bullshit going on out there. In fact for a male outside of a high risk group through intercourse getting infected is almost non existent.

For HPV it is more likely but still not so common and most strains (there are 100) of HPV the commercials and scare ads don't tell you is that they are harmless and go away on their own. Only about two strains are really dangerous.

Now getting struck by lightning is 1 in 8500 in your lifetime. So yes there is risk. But so is this hobby. And so is being outside in a thunderstorm and I have done that a lot.

I agree on the other point about them trying to tempt me back into the club. I am sure some of them want to do this. But it does not work for me because I am never going to spend that much on them in the club. As I would OTC.

So to continue I have two more stripper / sugar babies that I recruited via visits to clubs.

#3 We will call her M.

This one is probably in the looks department as close to a 10 as I have gotten interest in. She works for a very famous club and is absolutely gorgeous. Someone recently told me that the 9's and 10's are easier to get out of the club than the lower looking ones. Because they so need validation of how hot and desirable they are. And this beautiful young thing proves this out. She is about 5'6" with a very thin athletic build, man this body is toned. Could not weigh more than 105lbs. She is blond with the most piercing dark eyes. She has perfect erect puppy dog nose breasts, and an ass you could serve a beer on. This is a limited touch club and she crawled over me like a cat in heat.

I would give her a 9 head and a 10 body. I have had her dance for me on three occasions and I know she has seen me in the club a few times other than that. I did the same kind of thing. Worked on her with as much charm as I could muster. And slowly started to get away with more than what is allowed in the club. And she let me. One time she stopped me. But then turned around and smiled at me and told me I was bad. This was in a very good way. Next time she did not stop me. Many kisses later when she was done dancing I asked her that magic question. And she immediately gave me her number and made sure I got it right and even showed me on her phone very discreetly that she got my test call.

I texted her a followup after leaving the club but no response. Then about a week later she texts me and tells me out of the blue. She is out of town trying to make some money at another club and it aint going well. So I tell her I can help her out, but she would have to help me out too. She immediately says OK. I tell her I will text her when she gets back into town. I did a follow up text but no reply so far. I believe we are at that point where Golf has talked extensively about. Where she is trying to accept how far she will go. And I am at the point where I need to not push the string. I am staying polite and giving her space. I learned this here and I believe many times in the past this is where I fucked up. Not going to happen this time. I am going to give her a little space and let her come to the sugar. But it aint easy. I can see that sweet little apple bottom ass in my minds eye with that perfect pink pussy just winking at me. Cold shower please?

On to #4 we will call her R:

I don't know what it is but these mixed raced latinas have been really working me over lately. So I go into this high end club that C works at since she could not make it that day. And when I go in there she is a awesome 20 yo. 5'5" melado latina. That had the body of a goddess and the face of an angel. Amazing thing was she was friendly bright happy vivacious and no dude was even paying her any attention. But those dried up old skanks in there had plenty of attention. I will never understand this. I have to say with me. I am not in this hobby for ugly or fat or skanky broads I appreciate beauty.

Anyway she was so cute. I would give her a 9 head and a 10 body. And the most perfect silky smooth almond colored skin. And hair. Many girls of this complexion don't exactly have the best hair. But this one had a head of hair like Liz Taylor when Liz was hot. And she was so cool to talk to. I came all the way across the club to go and get her. And she told me later that she really liked it when a man does this. Assertiveness is a turn on to women. They want a man to be a man. To lead and set the tone. I think this is a very little understood part of the SD / SB subculture, the dominance and assertiveness of a mature man vs the weak effeminate boys that these girls date on a regular basis. But that is for another day.

She sat with me and did some dances and they were out of this world. I almost surely thought we were going to get busted. She did everything I told her and more. And she wanted to please me. She has only been working for 6 weeks and she knows how to please already. Once again did not show any interest in the money. These are all good signs. She has a regular job and she is a student at the local Community College. Sophomore studying HR Management.

We talked and she easily gave me her number. I had to go and I texted her a few times but she was not very responsive. But today I had a couple of hours between appointments and I decided to see if she was working. I texted her and she was so I came in. When I got there she jumped into my arms and we had an even better session. Then she would curl up with me and snuggle and slowly stoke my cock through my pants in a way that no one could see. Remember this is a no touch club. It was awesome. It was all I could not to bust one right there in my pants.

So I told her to blow off work on Friday at the club and meet me. She had agreed to meet me earlier now it was just an issue of logistics. She was thinking about it and I know she wants to but she did not fully commit. I told her no pressure. Thanks again Golf, don't push the string. I got to let her come to the sugar. So we will see how this goes.

What do you guys think? Am I getting anywhere? Am I screwing up?

I have not registered for the SA site but I hear you guys say that you do not use your real name. Do you create a fake name or a handle like we use on here?

Thanks for all of the help.

[QUOTE=Hernando;1651724]Interesting observation JG. I have to admit that I wonder about many of these SBs who were brought up in decent homes, probably taught appropriate moral behavior, and who are willing to sell themselves. Of course we SDs are buying so we are complicit in perpetuating the the system.[/QUOTE]Fortunately, some of us aren't engaged in anything immoral, so we don't have to worry about feeling that way. (:

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[QUOTE=Hernando;1651724]Interesting observation JG. I have to admit that I wonder about many of these SBs who were brought up in decent homes, probably taught appropriate moral behavior, and who are willing to sell themselves. Of course we SDs are buying so we are complicit in perpetuating the the system. On one hand I am grateful that we are able to "help" these needy young women but at what cost? This phenomenon goes waaaay beyond a small % of girls. SA has published numbers which I forget at the moment but they are significant. So even excluding the desperately needy unemployed and single mothers, middle class college girls are casually seeking easy money to make ends meet, or even to gain a thrill, add to that wardrobe, whatever the motivation. I asked several therapists who see these girls what is up? The answer is financial need, on line opportunity, and a desensitizing of moral limits brought on by the Madonna, Brittany, Paris, Kardashian role models. Girls are shown that they, like men, can use their sexuality to forward their agenda in life. Exit June Cleaver and Doris Day. Which attitude is better? Probably somewhere in the middle. I know that I don't want my daughter in the Sugar Bowl. A double standard? You betcha. See you on SA[/QUOTE]I don't see anything inappropriate about most of these girls behavior. Lets exclude the total pros and drug addicts from this discussion. This is a booming and trending upward phenomenon. In the past the girl would have to marry the money at a young age. Having been through the entire feminist movement from the beginning. This is just the most recent chapter. In many countries the whole sugar lifestyle is considered quite normal.

The current president of south africa has 4 wives and other assorted mistresses. The last president of france had his wife and mistress at his funeral. In China no senior executive worth his salt has less than 3 sugar babes at a time decked out in high style. I see the price for the babes in direct correlation to the economy as well as supply and demand. The supply is going up way faster than the demand. The prices are actually fair. And far cheaper than a wife. It will always be a bit on the fringe. And so was smoking pot, openly gay folks and working women in general just a short time ago. This is the new age of aquarius but where women can assert themselves in a sex positive environment. The pimp population has fallen dramatically as the free market and the pioneer spirit of america thrives in this new media. I love the internet.

I often wonder about the socio-economic background of the girls. I see SD profiles from girls from wealthy suburbs, and it still doesn't add up. I mean girls who are decent financially wiling to do this still hard to believe. One guy mentioned daddy issued, I wonder how many were sexually abused or molested, and thus have cognitive dissonancein regards to sex, so they detach all meaning from it. Though I did read an article about a study that said pornstars were no more likely to be molested than girls from similiar demographics, so I guess it could be true of sb's as well (at least I hope). I would hate to be in an arrangement with someone from a ruff child hood. Now fellaz I have a question about city markets and prices. I am in the chicago market, but it seems even fat chicks here want 300$ per meet two of them even wanted 500. I have no problem with 200 per meet for 2-3 hours session. I notice in the Southern California thread guys were getting hott chicks who are in shape for cheaper than what fatt chicks are asking for in Chicago. The cost of living in california I higher than Chicago, so I'm trying to understand why are Chicago prices higher than California prices.

Girl sends me a kiss on SD4ME. I send $ offer. Here is her response.

"Thank you I appreciate you going into details I'm completely on board with everything and I'm serious about meeting so I would prefer to call or text if that is possible? Also I agree with the arrangement you have laid out but I hope it gets past that (:."

Meaning past the $ offer for a play date. She is 19 and cute. Not a prom queen but very doable. So bing bang and it's done. I could get one new one a day if I had the time or money. Usually get a few a week and make it to one new girl a week. With 4 regulars thats about all I can handle. But my pipeline is built up. This approach by far gets me the most positive responses.

No difference if I contact them first

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1652720]Girl sends me a kiss on SD4ME. I send $ offer. Here is her response.

"Thank you I appreciate you going into details I'm completely on board with everything and I'm serious about meeting so I would prefer to call or text if that is possible? Also I agree with the arrangement you have laid out but I hope it gets past that (:."

Meaning past the $ offer for a play date. She is 19 and cute. Not a prom queen but very doable. So bing bang and it's done. I could get one new one a day if I had the time or money. Usually get a few a week and make it to one new girl a week. With 4 regulars thats about all I can handle. But my pipeline is built up. This approach by far gets me the most positive responses.

No difference if I contact them first[/QUOTE]HG's methods work. I got more $ SB's than I have time for. And I stumbled upon a 24/26 year old bisexual couple. They are both smoking hot solid 8's. Lipstick lesbians. Revealing outfits and four and five inch heels respectively. They decided they needed some money and some real dick. We had some conversation over wine. I told them, I felt more of a connection with the 26 year old, but I'd really like to have them both. They were like "let's go upstairs". Best threesome I've ever had in my life! And I've had a lot of threesomes. It's amazing the difference when the women are truly bisexual and into each other. It was a full on three hole affair with nothing off limits. Real kissing, pussy licking and orgasms all the way around. In fact, I made a real connection with the 26 year old. We took her partner home after round one and she came back to continue play time and spend the night. She is coming back over tonight sans partner. Chemistry is everything gentlemen. Don't ever discount it.

Now this was a pair of true sugar babies. They told me what their needs were before playtime. But said "we will not ask for money or tell you an amount because that would make us prostitutes. A Sugar Daddy gives what he wants to give." They get it. And even better I do too.

Chief of the Boat."Prepare to Dive."

SubCmdr Out!

P. S. I actual thought about not even reporting it. Forgiveness is requested if this is considered bragging.

Man that is awesome. Just when I think I have some lofty goals in mind. You come along and raise the bar.

(You bastard.)

By the way what was the sugar amount and were they cool with it?

[QUOTE=Rob Taylor;1652607]I notice in the Southern California thread guys were getting hott chicks who are in shape for cheaper than what fatt chicks are asking for in Chicago. The cost of living in california I higher than Chicago, so I'm trying to understand why are Chicago prices higher than California prices.[/QUOTE]You guys are setting the market prices, so that's what they expect.

If you're not a Lotto winner or willing to pay $$$$$ for a Beauty Pageant Queen, don't set the market above what you want to pay.

Rev, it sounds like you are having fun hitting the clubs, so continue to enjoy it while throwing lines out in hopes of catching the citation. You will score eventually but I think the club girls are a different breed and mentality. This is like fishing. You go out on a nice night, secure your spot, throw the bait out to drift in the tide. Meanwhile you are enjoying the journey, the ambiance, the excitement hopeful that the big one will come along. Occasionally you get a nibble or land a little one that you have to throw back. You spend a bunch of "gas, food, and bait " money, and most often go home empty handed with only your memories and empty wallet to show for it. But sometimes! You get the keeper, and that is what keeps you coming back.

I visited an AMAZING club in Tampa, Fla a few years ago. The dances were $20 each so on $$/night you can sample a lot of the talent and troll for take home dining. This experience was a much higher quality one and much cheaper than my Virginia area. The girls here tend to be more Nando 1s. My experience here is you spend a lot of money for a lot of effort and little return. Emotionally the small victories are disappointing. I don't know why the difference but if I lived in Tampa I would be a regular.

Dealing with strippers in clubs does provide for a bit more entertainment as part of the process. Turning them into SB, that's a skill. I've had take-out and dine-in on more than one occasion, but never thought about converting. More power to you Rev. Also for SA you can sign up as you, it's the email address that you use to communicate with the SBs that should be a psuedo. Make sure to use a name that doesn't sound fake. Depending on your level of "007" you can ride that alter ego as long as you want. I have some young ladies who I dealt with for months that never new my real info.

Revvo. Trival question, why do you use "head" instead of "face" when you are giving your ratings? Are you including hair, ears, shape of her head as part of the assessment, LOL.

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The read on why SBs do what they do has been interesting. I don't have much to add, but I will say that most of the SBs that I run into, love the attention. The money and gifts are great, but the attention and being made to feel special are the things that many crave the most.

I don't know where they came up with that 3k-4k per month average, but as I've told a couple of SBs."If you can get that deal, take it!".

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It was mentioned that my looks may have something to do with my success. I can't completely disagree, but I do feel uneasy giving it too much credit. I think looks are a factor, but I don't think it's a big factor. Let me be clear, I am by no means walking out of a GQ magazine. I'm not bad looking, I have a average to slim body. So I really don't put too much weight into that, when it comes to the low sugar amounts. I like to think that I'm very particular with who I target and treat them with respect, adoration and lots of compliments and flirting. I try to deal with as many of their physical and emotional needs as possible and that approach has allowed me to keep my sugar amounts lower. I also offer a way for the sugar to go up over time. In the end, I don't have a lot of long term SBs, but the chase is a blast.

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Update.

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Had a great hotel date with MsBored ($ in her coat pocket). Lasted about 4 hours. Come to find out, I was the in between fling. Her and her man had broke up for a few weeks. Now they are back together and she feels guilty. So she's in love and I can respect that.

One of my young hotties has me on pause as she's debating starting a serious relationship with another person. I should know by the end of the week. My guess is, she's going to go with that and I'll have to link up with her some months down the road.

The other young hottie has been very busy with working 2 jobs, but we are actually meeting for a hotel date tonight. She finally admitted that her roommate situation is not going to allow me to come to her place. So she understands that her sugar will be low as long as I have to pay for hotels. We are on for tonight, I'll probably give her ($). This will be a 2 hour date, but she's soooo worth it.

The hot MILF. That has went from great to uuuugh! Recently I saw her 2 times during the week, then we were together for 3 overnights, Fri-Monday. All was great. I don't even want to do the numbers on the hourly rate. Gave her ($$) for the weekend. I did pay for the room for 3 nights and paid for all meals and activities. But this week her personal situation got worse and it's affecting her attitude and she's drinking more. She was borderline drunk when I picked her up at 6:30 for our last date. She's turning into a Nando1. Such a bummer. I'm probably going to have to let that go.

I'm trying to find someone to replace MsBored, since the other two seem to be on their way out too. I like to keep at least 2 local who can keep me busy.

I'm flying in my BigButtBeauty next week. 2 days. 2 nights and she'll probably leave with $$$ in cash. How do I manage this. Let's do the math. Flight is $250 round trip. I cut back on the quality of the meals. Instead of two $120-$150 meals. I keep both meals less than $60 each. She'll have spending money for when I'm not with her and we'll spend most of our time in the room. So it's comparable to some of my local action. Difference is that I know the sex is going to be wonderful. The personality is off the charts and whatever I give in money will be appreciated.

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SubCmdr. You are definitely my hero! Keep up the good work and definitely report back!

BigTigg

I agree with your guys take on strippers. They can be a pain and way too much drama. But I was in mid stream with these four little fish when I discovered this unique hobby. And I have invested some money and quite a bit of time. So I believe I am going to let these four play out as I transition over to the SB world.

NANDO, I know the club you are talking about Mons Venus it is world famous and in my report POT #3 was plucked from that club. And she is as close to a 10 as I have ever got the chance to bag. And this club has a bunch of 9's and 10's.

Question: I have heard quite a debate on here about offering her money up front for sex? Do you guys prefer to do this Or is it better to let her bring it up?

Love this thread.

Gadzooks! That is the fastest way to end your career and several other things as well.

There are delicate ways to imply that you are willing to help with some of their financial needs in return for an intimate relationship. You might ask them for some private time off campus so that you both can discuss your budding friendship. Make it clear that you expect intimacy and ask her how you can help her achieve her goals. You might suggest booking a nice hotel to carry out this conversation where you can have a glass of fine wine and munchies. Let her know she will be providing the munchies haha

I can't remember all of which ones these link to in which posts, but for the ones I'm sure of, I'll let you know.

Remember what happens in fight club stays in fight club. As in, don't be a jerk if you recognize someone.

Ms Bored.

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One of the two Young Hotties I mentioned. She's really nice and a great catch. I'm hoping that later she comes back and I can make her #1.

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The Second of the Young Hotties, the one that is still around.

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Very good time had with this one up in the Philly-Del area. This was a great week, kitty was tight and she had great sounds.

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Big Butt Beauty from Md. She had GPS. She was very freaky, but the chemistry was off.

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Smoking hott SB from the Richmond Va area. I made a calculated mistake with this one, so the relationship ended pre-maturely after a few months.

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Young SB from MD. Lots of foreplay, I could not close the deal before she weirded out on me.

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Thanks for the show and tell. Nice! It's good to put a breast with a name.