The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[QUOTE=MythMan2010;5346843]Just bitching here, but the girls are definitely looking for more lately. 450 per meet? Nah, I'm not down even if it's a great connection. I knew she had friends making "thousands" on only fans but fuck that.

Just not adding to the inflation of these girls egos. Ok, I'm done.[/QUOTE]I've had some success in the past making an offer. Here's the exact amount of cash I'm willing to part with, here's what else I'm willing to supplement it with (gift cards, shopping, whatever) -- and here are my bare minimum expectations from a physical standpoint. (Unlike the escorts who don't seem to care what the "act" is and are only concerned with the clock, some SB's take heavy consideration into whether they are going to have to take your dick in them to get your money or if there is a "lesser" act that will still get them SOME money, if that makes any sense).

If you combine that approach with being pretty chill and laid back about things and proving to them you aren't going to be an asshole it can drastically lower the entry point. Sometimes.

To your point though, with some girls the GPS is strong, or some idiot has already set their baseline at $_ (whatever number she's quoting probably minus 100) .

[QUOTE=VincentCor74;5346992]I've had some success in the past making an offer. Here's the exact amount of cash I'm willing to part with, here's what else I'm willing to supplement it with (gift cards, shopping, whatever) -- and here are my bare minimum expectations from a physical standpoint. (Unlike the escorts who don't seem to care what the "act" is and are only concerned with the clock, some SB's take heavy consideration into whether they are going to have to take your dick in them to get your money or if there is a "lesser" act that will still get them SOME money, if that makes any sense).

If you combine that approach with being pretty chill and laid back about things and proving to them you aren't going to be an asshole it can drastically lower the entry point. Sometimes.

To your point though, with some girls the GPS is strong, or some idiot has already set their baseline at $_ (whatever number she's quoting probably minus 100) .[/QUOTE]Could you share what "less act" is about? I came across some girls that wants to start online at a lower price first, like pictures and video and stuff. And I passed on all of them since there is no guarantee they will meet after they take the money.

[QUOTE=Rapk9394;5347225]Could you share what "less act" is about? I came across some girls that wants to start online at a lower price first, like pictures and video and stuff. And I passed on all of them since there is no guarantee they will meet after they take the money.[/QUOTE]Think back to when you were dating a high school girl (hopefully not recently). First base, second base, third base, etc.

If you temper your physical expectations a bit, you might get a lower price. Plus it allows you to build rapport and trust and she might see you as more "gentlemanly" than others.

Honestly. I've done scheduled meet and greets that weren't supposed to be paid, and we ended up clicking and "hooking up" (as the kids used to say) a bit and I've just given them whatever I happened to have on my that day. Sometimes 40 or 60 bucks for a little bit of fun.

I was NOT referring to pictures, vids, chat, etc. I don't pay for that and neither should anyone, IMHO.

[QUOTE=VincentCor74;5346992]I've had some success in the past making an offer. Here's the exact amount of cash I'm willing to part with, here's what else I'm willing to supplement it with (gift cards, shopping, whatever) -- and here are my bare minimum expectations from a physical standpoint. (Unlike the escorts who don't seem to care what the "act" is and are only concerned with the clock, some SB's take heavy consideration into whether they are going to have to take your dick in them to get your money or if there is a "lesser" act that will still get them SOME money, if that makes any sense).

If you combine that approach with being pretty chill and laid back about things and proving to them you aren't going to be an asshole it can drastically lower the entry point. Sometimes.

To your point though, with some girls the GPS is strong, or some idiot has already set their baseline at $_ (whatever number she's quoting probably minus 100) .[/QUOTE]This latest one was frustrating because it was "massages at the hotel" giving her some breathing room. Could I have paid it? Yes. But that means I'm paying it the rest of the meets and it honestly drives up the cost for others.

[QUOTE=MythMan2010;5347370]This latest one was frustrating because it was "massages at the hotel" giving her some breathing room. Could I have paid it? Yes. But that means I'm paying it the rest of the meets and it honestly drives up the cost for others.[/QUOTE]Yeah - $450 for a "massage"? LOL -- you did the right thing no matter how hot she is. That's 5 AMP sessions.

[QUOTE=VincentCor74;5347377]Yeah - $450 for a "massage"? LOL -- you did the right thing no matter how hot she is. That's 5 AMP sessions.[/QUOTE]It has to come down to where the line crosses over to being a fool. As long as they have that demand for their services or in most cases lack of than they will keep testing the waters of higher prices. I could pay those rates but my self respect of having being taken advantage of gets in the way. Best way to handle the current situation is to shut them off.

[QUOTE=Pubb69;5347605]It has to come down to where the line crosses over to being a fool. As long as they have that demand for their services or in most cases lack of than they will keep testing the waters of higher prices. I could pay those rates but my self respect of having being taken advantage of gets in the way. Best way to handle the current situation is to shut them off.[/QUOTE]Sometimes I can get so deep into the hunt you forget the parameters. In this case I did the better thing for me. Start hitting up some of the other chicks from other meets from the past or things that still could work out. Hell, I'm sure she started dialing up guys she thought would pay so it's just part of it.

I try and have a few things doing at the same time for that reason. Anyways thanks all for input.

Unless she's got a serious boyfriend that's headed towards marriage, you're always free to reach out to an old contact. The worst she can do is not reply or tell you that she's moved on. Shoot, with some of the new age women, their boyfriends even know about it and are cool with it. Even with some of the grad students who now have well paying careers, if you were always respectable to them and know how to behave in public, some of them will still accept a few dates. You can never go wrong with leaving a good impression. Especially with the women who have a good head on their shoulders. The safety of knowing that you're not a psycho, plus the reliability of knowing that you'll provide what you promise goes a long way.

Stay safe out there, gents.

[QUOTE=MythMan2010;5348402]Sometimes I can get so deep into the hunt you forget the parameters. In this case I did the better thing for me. Start hitting up some of the other chicks from other meets from the past or things that still could work out. Hell, I'm sure she started dialing up guys she thought would pay so it's just part of it.

I try and have a few things doing at the same time for that reason. Anyways thanks all for input.[/QUOTE]

Recent posts about ChristinaWB brought me out of lurking. I also had plans to meet her right around the shut downs, but then everything changed. Also got the GPS vibe, but we had discussed reasonable rates, even if a swanky dinner was part of the deal. Hey, I like to eat good too LOL. Wondering if she's worth the investment, or if anyone has recommendations for a busty SB. My regular recently graduated and moved.

Don't have much post history but can share intel via DM.

I was on SA about 5 years ago with moderate success. I nailed two absolutely hottie 19 year olds, but it took a lot of work to do it. In my time away, I've been RTFF and it seems like the BS is higher than ever. And yet, my probably too high self-confidence tells me I can complete the mission again.

However, the development of the last 5 years is that I'm now married. It's happy, she's great. I'd never have an affair per se. There's just something about getting these super young ones I couldn't have otherwise (I'm 52). Obviously, as I consider this, I'm obviously not going to monger here in Raleigh. And any potential partner is getting NO personal information with which they might blackmail me until we're waaaaaay down the road, IF we got that far. I'll use a google number, cash apps tied to a reloadable cash card, etc, all the stuff you do to protect yourself.

So here's my question, and I assume there are other married mongers on here. Do I be upfront about the fact that I'm married? On the one hand, it would cut through the BS that I had to keep up with, but it also might affect my ability to find a partner. If I didn't tell, it's certainly easier to find a partner, but then I have to keep up with what I'm telling them. One middle ground I thought of is to perhaps just lie and say I'm married with permission to go have fun.

Thoughts? Apart from all that, I've been reading through the ads and yeah, the BS has increased a thousand times. It's going to take a little work, but I think I can find an earnest college girl or two to give me what I want. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right?

Alienation of Affection is still on the books in North Carolina. Your wife would be well within her legal rights to pursue an SB for compensatory damages if she found out about your hobby. While being truthful will most definitely decrease your options, it's the right thing to do.

I know quite a few SB's who've been chased, doxxed, and harassed by furious wives.

Do the right thing. If an SB tells you that she's not interested in married men, respect it. By lying, you're not only intentionally disregarding her boundaries, you're also putting her in potential legal jeopardy, and contributing to a precedent for SB's to not trust the men on the site.

Too many of those hot 19 year old's don't care about your status, don't ruin the game for the ones who do.

Just my two cents.

[QUOTE=Robert1744;5363694]I was on SA about 5 years ago with moderate success. I nailed two absolutely hottie 19 year olds, but it took a lot of work to do it. In my time away, I've been RTFF and it seems like the BS is higher than ever. And yet, my probably too high self-confidence tells me I can complete the mission again.

However, the development of the last 5 years is that I'm now married. It's happy, she's great. I'd never have an affair per se. There's just something about getting these super young ones I couldn't have otherwise (I'm 52). Obviously, as I consider this, I'm obviously not going to monger here in Raleigh. And any potential partner is getting NO personal information with which they might blackmail me until we're waaaaaay down the road, IF we got that far. I'll use a google number, cash apps tied to a reloadable cash card, etc, all the stuff you do to protect yourself.

So here's my question, and I assume there are other married mongers on here. Do I be upfront about the fact that I'm married? On the one hand, it would cut through the BS that I had to keep up with, but it also might affect my ability to find a partner. If I didn't tell, it's certainly easier to find a partner, but then I have to keep up with what I'm telling them. One middle ground I thought of is to perhaps just lie and say I'm married with permission to go have fun.

Thoughts? Apart from all that, I've been reading through the ads and yeah, the BS has increased a thousand times. It's going to take a little work, but I think I can find an earnest college girl or two to give me what I want. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Robert1744;5363694]I was on SA about 5 years ago with moderate success. I nailed two absolutely hottie 19 year olds, but it took a lot of work to do it. In my time away, I've been RTFF and it seems like the BS is higher than ever. And yet, my probably too high self-confidence tells me I can complete the mission again.

However, the development of the last 5 years is that I'm now married. It's happy, she's great. I'd never have an affair per se. There's just something about getting these super young ones I couldn't have otherwise (I'm 52). Obviously, as I consider this, I'm obviously not going to monger here in Raleigh. And any potential partner is getting NO personal information with which they might blackmail me until we're waaaaaay down the road, IF we got that far. I'll use a google number, cash apps tied to a reloadable cash card, etc, all the stuff you do to protect yourself.

So here's my question, and I assume there are other married mongers on here. Do I be upfront about the fact that I'm married? On the one hand, it would cut through the BS that I had to keep up with, but it also might affect my ability to find a partner. If I didn't tell, it's certainly easier to find a partner, but then I have to keep up with what I'm telling them. One middle ground I thought of is to perhaps just lie and say I'm married with permission to go have fun.

Thoughts? Apart from all that, I've been reading through the ads and yeah, the BS has increased a thousand times. It's going to take a little work, but I think I can find an earnest college girl or two to give me what I want. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right?[/QUOTE]What was out there even 2 years ago is not there now. My tolerance for b. S. Has decreased to 0 but maybe yours is different, just read the reviews on here before you give that pimp wannabe site a monthly payment to chase butterflies In Alaska.

DJprofessorK. Thanks for a point of view I hadn't thought of, which is exactly why I asked the question.

I suppose if I'm going to have to put in this effort anyway, it's not that much added effort to find one that doesn't care about my marital status.

[QUOTE=Robert1744;5364037]DJprofessorK. Thanks for a point of view I hadn't thought of, which is exactly why I asked the question.

I suppose if I'm going to have to put in this effort anyway, it's not that much added effort to find one that doesn't care about my marital status.[/QUOTE]I have always divulged that I am married. There have been a few SBs that have said that's a hard no for them, but far many more that do not care. Some have even told me they prefer that as it provides them some peace of mind that discretion will be a two way street.

Yes, always use a burner or non traceable texting apps, pay in cash, do not give any identifiable info, I even go as far as using a pseudo name / occupation etc. Can't be too careful.

[QUOTE=SuperDave3038;5364819]I have always divulged that I am married. There have been a few SBs that have said that's a hard no for them, but far many more that do not care. Some have even told me they prefer that as it provides them some peace of mind that discretion will be a two way street.

Yes, always use a burner or non traceable texting apps, pay in cash, do not give any identifiable info, I even go as far as using a pseudo name / occupation etc. Can't be too careful.[/QUOTE]Saves both parties time and avoids potential headaches.

One thing a lot of ladies prefer is if you ask THEM what level of discretion they need -- certain times they are not available to text, etc.

That way they know it's a two-way street, like you said.

I do find it pretty hilarious that some girls won't see a married guy. So, you'll take my money to have sex with me (which IS illegal) but not if I'm married? LOL.

I always counter with "doll, if I was single, I'd just be on Tinder. ".