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[QUOTE=White300;3955501][URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/professional-therapeutic-massa/820223038238[/URL]
This one looks familiar. Now working in a new place. Can somebody remind me what she is all about?[/QUOTE]She used to be around here. Went to the East Coast. Apparently back now. Catch her on a good day, she'll be fine. Catch her on a bad day, well, bad. There was a review on Switter that seemed positive. But, it's a crap shoot.
[QUOTE=MrCruzer;3955505]Used to go by Beth, off of Plainfield near E Beltline, not far from Wonder. Never saw her (was tempted) but very bad reviews. Lots of promises, lots of rules, etc.[/QUOTE]I concur, this is Beth. She was such a fickle *****. You couldn't say anything without her getting upset. It was like flipping a switch. You could never ask for the HE. If you did, she would lecture you. Mind you, it was common knowledge that HE was available and on the table. Also, there is a picture of her tits here on STG, and I don't remember them looking that good in person. I wonder if this photo is real? She may have lost weight, but I remember her being much heavier than the person in this boob shot on STG. Hopefully she has loosened up a little. She gives a nice massage, and could probably make a lot of money if she just eased up and cut the BS.
Booked Winter for an hour (80 at Serenity). She's a very pretty woman on the youngish side (early 20's).
She started off with a decent massage. I got a little concerned when the flip happened 15 minutes in. She asked if I came to play and offered topless for 0. 6 and nude for $1. 2. I went for topless; 120 is a lot to me for nothing more than a pretty naked woman. More surprising is she tells me she usually gets 200 for full nude.
She allowed some roaming across her back side but not up top. She started the HE and, a few minutes in asked for me to take over. I said no to that and was told she wasn't there to jack guys off. This ended the session at about 29 minutes.
Mileage varies; I have heard better things about Winter (the reason I went at all) and I had a session with Haley some time ago which was far better (though spendy). Winter is attractive so I won't waste anyone's time by suggesting what they should or shouldn't do.
I won't be back. Total out, $150 (80 for the room, 10 for the CC upcharge, and 60 for the tip) for a reasonable massage and a very unhappy ending.
[QUOTE=Bismark;3955757]Booked Winter for an hour (80 at Serenity). She's a very pretty woman on the youngish side (early 20's).
She started off with a decent massage. I got a little concerned when the flip happened 15 minutes in. She asked if I came to play and offered topless for 0. 6 and nude for $1. 2. I went for topless; 120 is a lot to me for nothing more than a pretty naked woman. More surprising is she tells me she usually gets 200 for full nude.
She allowed some roaming across her back side but not up top. She started the HE and, a few minutes in asked for me to take over. I said no to that and was told she wasn't there to jack guys off. This ended the session at about 29 minutes.
Mileage varies; I have heard better things about Winter (the reason I went at all) and I had a session with Haley some time ago which was far better (though spendy). Winter is attractive so I won't waste anyone's time by suggesting what they should or shouldn't do.
I won't be back. Total out, $150 (80 for the room, 10 for the CC upcharge, and 60 for the tip) for a reasonable massage and a very unhappy ending.[/QUOTE]All of us on here have the power to pay for and get what we want. Let's all say don't go see her or that establishment.
[QUOTE=Bismark;3955757]Booked Winter for an hour (80 at Serenity). She's a very pretty woman on the youngish side (early 20's).
She started off with a decent massage. I got a little concerned when the flip happened 15 minutes in. She asked if I came to play and offered topless for 0. 6 and nude for $1. 2. I went for topless; 120 is a lot to me for nothing more than a pretty naked woman. More surprising is she tells me she usually gets 200 for full nude.
She allowed some roaming across her back side but not up top. She started the HE and, a few minutes in asked for me to take over. I said no to that and was told she wasn't there to jack guys off. This ended the session at about 29 minutes.
Mileage varies; I have heard better things about Winter (the reason I went at all) and I had a session with Haley some time ago which was far better (though spendy). Winter is attractive so I won't waste anyone's time by suggesting what they should or shouldn't do.
I won't be back. Total out, $150 (80 for the room, 10 for the CC upcharge, and 60 for the tip) for a reasonable massage and a very unhappy ending.[/QUOTE]Adding link: [URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/come-see-me/686186967469[/URL].
[QUOTE=HarryHood;3955681]I concur, this is Beth. She was such a fickle *****. You couldn't say anything without her getting upset. It was like flipping a switch. You could never ask for the HE. If you did, she would lecture you. Mind you, it was common knowledge that HE was available and on the table. Also, there is a picture of her tits here on STG, and I don't remember them looking that good in person. I wonder if this photo is real? She may have lost weight, but I remember her being much heavier than the person in this boob shot on STG. Hopefully she has loosened up a little. She gives a nice massage, and could probably make a lot of money if she just eased up and cut the BS.[/QUOTE]IIRC, she used the name Liz during her time in the DC-MD-VA area. Here are some recent posts about her (none of them good):
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?8004-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=3937918&viewfull=1#post3937918[/URL]
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?8004-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=3938012&viewfull=1#post3938012[/URL]
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?8004-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=3939054&viewfull=1#post3939054[/URL]
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?8004-Massage-Parlor-Reports&p=3939495&viewfull=1#post3939495[/URL]
[QUOTE=MichiganMan686;3955961]All of us on here have the power to pay for and get what we want. Let's all say don't go see her or that establishment.[/QUOTE]Thanks for walking away! I will be sticking with Chinese food until the prices come down.
[QUOTE=Bismark;3956123]Adding link: [URL]http://grand-rapids.skipthegames.com/massage/caucasian_w/come-see-me/686186967469[/URL].[/QUOTE]Be ready to be attacked, I made a comment on the prices their way back, and a few mongers came out guns blazing, maybe the two are pd for promo from serenity I don't know, but alls I can say I in my opion there prices are ridiculous, j / s, maybe they won't attack you but I for one was.
Hi everybody,
Just noticed this place on 28th st SW between byron center and Burlingame. Anybody got any info on this one?
[QUOTE=DjBiker;3956624]Be ready to be attacked, I made a comment on the prices their way back, and a few mongers came out guns blazing, maybe the two are pd for promo from serenity I don't know, but alls I can say I in my opion there prices are ridiculous, j / s, maybe they won't attack you but I for one was.[/QUOTE]If it happens, it happens. Not going to lose sleep over it. I agree with you; the prices there are high. I'm willing to go an extra 20 if the reputation turns out to be true. I'm not willing to buy an hour and less than half way in be asked to self-service. As I wrote before, I won't be back.
Does anyone know of an AMP in the area that does back walks? (Some places actually have bars on the ceiling for it).
[QUOTE=Bismark;3957052]If it happens, it happens. Not going to lose sleep over it. I agree with you; the prices there are high. I'm willing to go an extra 20 if the reputation turns out to be true. I'm not willing to buy an hour and less than half way in be asked to self-service. As I wrote before, I won't be back.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with Mr. Bismark, Paying extra for extra is OK.
If you're not getting good service with a smile, don't pay the price or tip anything and don't go back.
It's our money, we should only be giving to the best providers for the best service. That's why this forum exists.
As far as self service goes, I've done it many times when a massage provider has me on the table, dick in hand and tries the Upsell.
I'm happy to show them How it's done and they can watch for free.
When they cum to their senses and realize they just lost the negation battle, they back peddle and want to join in for any tip they can get. Try it sometime it's actually very funny to watch them react to losing money.
I booked 30 min with Winter and 5 min into massage she asks if I want to play and how much did I bring. I said yes and I brought 80. She told me that wasn't enough. I'm thinking 130 for 30 min is a lot. I had a bad feeling and 3 minutes later her phone rings and she answers it. I'm thinking WTF. I get up to leave and she hangs up her phone and asks what I'm doing I told her I'm leaving and said I paid 50 for 7 min and I'm on my way. She exited the room while I got dressed and was complaining to her boss. Her boss questioned me for leaving and I said I paid 50 for 7 min and she thought I should still tip Winter for not doing anything. I won't be back.
[QUOTE=Benz1;3957096]I totally agree with Mr. Bismark, Paying extra for extra is OK.
If you're not getting good service with a smile, don't pay the price or tip anything and don't go back.
It's our money, we should only be giving to the best providers for the best service. That's why this forum exists.
As far as self service goes, I've done it many times when a massage provider has me on the table, dick in hand and tries the Upsell.
I'm happy to show them How it's done and they can watch for free.
When they cum to their senses and realize they just lost the negation battle, they back peddle and want to join in for any tip they can get. Try it sometime it's actually very funny to watch them react to losing money.[/QUOTE]
I go to Las Vegas 6 or more time a year for business. There the MP's usually have everything on the menu, you just need to find right price.
The MP's there are far more expensive and when they have your dick in their hand it can start from $100.00 and up to a HE and $200.00 for a BJ and more for FS.
If I can not come to an agreement at a price that works for me then I have been known to get off the table, stiffy and all and leave.
Like Benz I have left after doing it myself. Had that happen a few weeks ago in Toledo.
The lady left the room and I used a towel or two to clean up.
I always keep my tip money in my shoe and when I put my shoes on I will always make sure they see the cash that I am walking out with.
Believe me attitudes change at that point.
[QUOTE=Benz1;3957096]I totally agree with Mr. Bismark, Paying extra for extra is OK.
If you're not getting good service with a smile, don't pay the price or tip anything and don't go back.
It's our money, we should only be giving to the best providers for the best service. That's why this forum exists.
As far as self service goes, I've done it many times when a massage provider has me on the table, dick in hand and tries the Upsell.
I'm happy to show them How it's done and they can watch for free.
When they cum to their senses and realize they just lost the negation battle, they back peddle and want to join in for any tip they can get. Try it sometime it's actually very funny to watch them react to losing money.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JustMe1973;3957069]Does anyone know of an AMP in the area that does back walks? (Some places actually have bars on the ceiling for it).[/QUOTE]Lotus Flower Body Works on Burton and Happy Feet on Breton.
Went to Asian blessings on Fuller tonight and found the massage excellent. No HE, at least not on first visit, but the massage itself is definitely worth it.
[QUOTE=GuitarMan;3957506]Lotus Flower Body Works on Burton and Happy Feet on Breton.[/QUOTE]HE available in these places?
[QUOTE=GuitarMan;3957506]Lotus Flower Body Works on Burton and Happy Feet on Breton.[/QUOTE]I've always been curious about Happy Feet. Decent massage? HE? If no one has TOFT, maybe I'll test the waters one of these days.
[QUOTE=TonyNash900;3957296]I booked 30 min with Winter and 5 min into massage she asks if I want to play and how much did I bring. I said yes and I brought 80. She told me that wasn't enough. I'm thinking 130 for 30 min is a lot. I had a bad feeling and 3 minutes later her phone rings and she answers it. I'm thinking WTF. I get up to leave and she hangs up her phone and asks what I'm doing I told her I'm leaving and said I paid 50 for 7 min and I'm on my way. She exited the room while I got dressed and was complaining to her boss. Her boss questioned me for leaving and I said I paid 50 for 7 min and she thought I should still tip Winter for not doing anything. I won't be back.[/QUOTE]You are the man! Answer the phone on your own time. I would never dream of answering my phone while I am with a client and my clients wouldn't care if I did. If she has to answer the phone, she should wear a Bluetooth so that she can keep those hands moving.
[QUOTE=Donntee;3957970]You are the man! Answer the phone on your own time. I would never dream of answering my phone while I am with a client and my clients wouldn't care if I did. If she has to answer the phone, she should wear a Bluetooth so that she can keep those hands moving.[/QUOTE]I thought this went without saying but we are dealing with the generation that recieved participation trophys.
Sounds like we should be telling them, if you answer or look at your phone you won't be getting a tip. I'm paying for my time with you.
[QUOTE=Bismark;3950912]Natasha, while she does put on a very hot show, doesn't do much more than a topless HJ when all is said and done (unless she's been fibbing to me for years). It's the way she teases and acts that makes her so good I think.
Alternatively, I've had a far better time with Leslie than Derick describes. I suspect we are seeing the effects of YMMV here.[/QUOTE]She's been known to tell an occasional fib here and there.
[QUOTE=TonyNash900;3957296]I booked 30 min with Winter and 5 min into massage she asks if I want to play and how much did I bring. I said yes and I brought 80. She told me that wasn't enough. I'm thinking 130 for 30 min is a lot. I had a bad feeling and 3 minutes later her phone rings and she answers it. I'm thinking WTF. I get up to leave and she hangs up her phone and asks what I'm doing I told her I'm leaving and said I paid 50 for 7 min and I'm on my way. She exited the room while I got dressed and was complaining to her boss. Her boss questioned me for leaving and I said I paid 50 for 7 min and she thought I should still tip Winter for not doing anything. I won't be back.[/QUOTE]To be fair, what does her "play" entail where $80 tip isn't enough? Devil's in the details. If it was a topless handy, and she pshawed $80, I too would have walked out. Her asking you to flip 5 minutes indicates she might be going in that direction. Now, if her version of "play" is FS, then with a hottie, and being at a massage parlor, sure, $80 is too little. As for a BJ, I would say that asking for more than $100 tip when the massage was just 5 minutes would be going over the top, unless it entailed a long, drawn out sensual experience surrounding that BJ that soaked up the time. Then I could see asking for $120-$130, but, if you haven't seen her nor she having rave reviews on the overall experience that it'd entail by others getting that BJ, it'd be SILLY to take a gal's word for it when asking to flip 5m in.
[QUOTE]Sounds like we should be telling them, if you answer or look at your phone you won't be getting a tip. I'm paying for my time with you.[/QUOTE]Personally, I don't mind too much if I Know it's going to be a lengthy, unrushed session and she's more than generous (not So easy to find though). That's fine when massaging my back and apologize and respond to something, like some appt that was scheduled not too far from my time there. And they probably see it that way too. Which results in one-thing-leads-to-another, and they slip into taking things for granted as still the "okay" way (sigh). I think when things are going good, they shouldn't push their luck and have their manager put them in their place to remind them that responding to a text is the Exception, not the rule at all.
In the end, when things are going good for a place, they need to not get too high on themselves, and instead take a step back. When people are getting too high on themselves, feeding off what others can get "away" with, they won't realize when they're going too-far. I think that's why a manager at a place is important, to keep things in check and not let things get ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Bismark;3955757]Booked Winter for an hour (80 at Serenity). She's a very pretty woman on the youngish side (early 20's).
She started off with a decent massage. I got a little concerned when the flip happened 15 minutes in. She asked if I came to play and offered topless for 0. 6 and nude for $1. 2. I went for topless; 120 is a lot to me for nothing more than a pretty naked woman. More surprising is she tells me she usually gets 200 for full nude.
She allowed some roaming across her back side but not up top. She started the HE and, a few minutes in asked for me to take over. I said no to that and was told she wasn't there to jack guys off. This ended the session at about 29 minutes.
Mileage varies; I have heard better things about Winter (the reason I went at all) and I had a session with Haley some time ago which was far better (though spendy). Winter is attractive so I won't waste anyone's time by suggesting what they should or shouldn't do.
I won't be back. Total out, $150 (80 for the room, 10 for the CC upcharge, and 60 for the tip) for a reasonable massage and a very unhappy ending.[/QUOTE]Hayley did reach out to me here. She is aware of the issues I and others have had and is working on solutions. I have not decided if I am going to try again but I will be open minded as others review new providers there. In case anyone is wondering, she did offer a break should I want to try again though I don't know how much of one (not fishing for anything; just trying to be up front) and I'm not sure I am interested yet. If that affects anyone's assessment of all this, so be it.
[QUOTE=LoveTheLips;3957903]I've always been curious about Happy Feet. Decent massage? HE? If no one has TOFT, maybe I'll test the waters one of these days.[/QUOTE]The times I have been there so far great massage no HE.
I've seen her a couple times as well with similar results. 5 minute massage then flip and a huge upsell. She's nice enough but she's looking for $ for topless. Sounds like some more is available but not everything, and for a huge upsell. She's cute but uninterested and too pricey. All the other girls I've seen there have been great.
[QUOTE=Charlie441;3958459]To be fair, what does her "play" entail where $80 tip isn't enough? Devil's in the details. If it was a topless handy, and she pshawed $80, I too would have walked out. Her asking you to flip 5 minutes indicates she might be going in that direction. Now, if her version of "play" is FS, then with a hottie, and being at a massage parlor, sure, $80 is too little. As for a BJ, I would say that asking for more than $100 tip when the massage was just 5 minutes would be going over the top, unless it entailed a long, drawn out sensual experience surrounding that BJ that soaked up the time. Then I could see asking for $120-$130, but, if you haven't seen her nor she having rave reviews on the overall experience that it'd entail by others getting that BJ, it'd be SILLY to take a gal's word for it when asking to flip 5m in.
Personally, I don't mind too much if I Know it's going to be a lengthy, unrushed session and she's more than generous (not So easy to find though). That's fine when massaging my back and apologize and respond to something, like some appt that was scheduled not too far from my time there. And they probably see it that way too. Which results in one-thing-leads-to-another, and they slip into taking things for granted as still the "okay" way (sigh). I think when things are going good, they shouldn't push their luck and have their manager put them in their place to remind them that responding to a text is the Exception, not the rule at all.
In the end, when things are going good for a place, they need to not get too high on themselves, and instead take a step back. When people are getting too high on themselves, feeding off what others can get "away" with, they won't realize when they're going too-far. I think that's why a manager at a place is important, to keep things in check and not let things get ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Blackfire;3958332]She's been known to tell an occasional fib here and there.[/QUOTE]No first hand knowledge but for what it is worth, have been told by more than one guy that more (including take out) is available once she knows you and is comfortable. That was some time back so maybe that is not the case anymore.
[QUOTE=GuitarMan;3957506]Lotus Flower Body Works on Burton and Happy Feet on Breton.[/QUOTE]On Fuller I've had it done to me. She walked all over the back. I never asked but it was done well. It was by a new woman.
I haven't been to MBD. Just a couple questions if anyone has time to respond.
1. Phone number.
2. 30 and 60 min appointments?
3. Prices.
4. Can you walkin or appointment only?
5. Showers?
Thanks to everyone who shares here.
Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=JayceDragon;3960438]On Fuller I've had it done to me. She walked all over the back. I never asked but it was done well. It was by a new woman.[/QUOTE]The back walk massage, OMG! I loved it. I was getting one, every other week for awhile. Best massage ever!
[QUOTE=MichiganMan686;3960557]I haven't been to MBD. Just a couple questions if anyone has time to respond.
1. Phone number.
2. 30 and 60 min appointments?
3. Prices.
4. Can you walkin or appointment only?
5. Showers?
Thanks to everyone who shares here.
Happy hunting.[/QUOTE]1) There are three providers, Jayna (Di), Emily (EmilyWest), and Lywanna (The Truth). Each has her own number and advertises on usaadultclassifieds. Nl. You call the one you want from their ad.
2) Both are available as well as 90 minutes and special (nuru I think) appointments.
3) Negotiable. I believe the door rates are 40 for half and 60 for full but it may have changed.
4) They occasionally take walk ins but they aren't always at the place so seem to prefer appointments.
5) Not that I know of. The two times I went there I was not offered a shower. I had a good time regardless.
[QUOTE=GuitarMan;3957506]Lotus Flower Body Works on Burton and Happy Feet on Breton.[/QUOTE]Is this one of those Korean places, one was on EAstern by Oasis and the other on W 28th st btwn Byron Center and Burlingame? I haven't seen any reviews on this if it is since they moved to Burton. What is the quality of service? Tips (upsell if any)?
[QUOTE=AmpPerv;3961092]Is this one of those Korean places, one was on EAstern by Oasis and the other on W 28th st btwn Byron Center and Burlingame? I haven't seen any reviews on this if it is since they moved to Burton. What is the quality of service? Tips (upsell if any)?[/QUOTE]Lotus on Eastern just south of 28th. It was about a month ago, I did a late night walkin. Attendant was decent looking, probably in her 40's, nice body, very lame massage, and no back walk offered (nor did I ask). But after the flip. I wasn't expecting what I got here in GR. I was fully satisfied, 40 door for half hour and 120 tip. About the same as I'd have spent driving over toward Lansing to see Mikki.
Sorry I didn't share, I've been out of town for a few weeks.
Hayley reached out to me and apologized for what happened to me and offered a discounted massage if I was willing to come back. I thought that was a good gesture and took her up on her offer. I'm glad I did. Hayley is really nice and assured me that her are worth a try.
[QUOTE=TonyNash900;3957296]I booked 30 min with Winter and 5 min into massage she asks if I want to play and how much did I bring. I said yes and I brought 80. She told me that wasn't enough. I'm thinking 130 for 30 min is a lot. I had a bad feeling and 3 minutes later her phone rings and she answers it. I'm thinking WTF. I get up to leave and she hangs up her phone and asks what I'm doing I told her I'm leaving and said I paid 50 for 7 min and I'm on my way. She exited the room while I got dressed and was complaining to her boss. Her boss questioned me for leaving and I said I paid 50 for 7 min and she thought I should still tip Winter for not doing anything. I won't be back.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AmpPerv;3961092]Is this one of those Korean places, one was on EAstern by Oasis and the other on W 28th st btwn Byron Center and Burlingame? I haven't seen any reviews on this if it is since they moved to Burton. What is the quality of service? Tips (upsell if any)?[/QUOTE]See post 6698.
[QUOTE=Bismark;3961052]1) There are three providers, Jayna (Di), Emily (EmilyWest), and Lywanna (The Truth). Each has her own number and advertises on usaadultclassifieds. Nl. You call the one you want from their ad.
2) Both are available as well as 90 minutes and special (nuru I think) appointments.
3) Negotiable. I believe the door rates are 40 for half and 60 for full but it may have changed.
4) They occasionally take walk ins but they aren't always at the place so seem to prefer appointments.
5) Not that I know of. The two times I went there I was not offered a shower. I had a good time regardless.[/QUOTE]Thanks so much for this great response.
One of the most sweetest gurlz I ran across in Yrs. She's not bad at making You feel right at home also. Just catch her happy.
LOL!
This is the Daddie that she likes to see with his shirt off!
[QUOTE=Bismark;3961052]1) There are three providers, Jayna (Di), Emily (EmilyWest), and Lywanna (The Truth). Each has her own number and advertises on usaadultclassifieds. Nl. You call the one you want from their ad.
2) Both are available as well as 90 minutes and special (nuru I think) appointments.
3) Negotiable. I believe the door rates are 40 for half and 60 for full but it may have changed.
4) They occasionally take walk ins but they aren't always at the place so seem to prefer appointments.
5) Not that I know of. The two times I went there I was not offered a shower. I had a good time regardless.[/QUOTE]Good response and I am sure if there needs to be clarification Di (Jayne) will do so. No shower BTW. I was thinking of responding but Di likes to keep things discrete which I respect. We sort of ended on bad terms but I would still highly recommend her or any of the great ladies who work there.
I have had many really good appointments with Linda.
She is very cool an attentive.
However, I really miss Cindy!
Just my 02.
Stay safe guys!
2 track.
[QUOTE=TwoTrack;3962936]I have had many really good appointments with Linda.
She is very cool an attentive.
However, I really miss Cindy!
Just my 02.
Stay safe guys!
2 track.[/QUOTE]I agree, Cindy will be missed, she did a great job all the time.
[QUOTE=Moonglow913;3962290]Good response and I am sure if there needs to be clarification Di (Jayne) will do so. No shower BTW. I was thinking of responding but Di likes to keep things discrete which I respect. We sort of ended on bad terms but I would still highly recommend her or any of the great ladies who work there.[/QUOTE]No shower at the present moment, but in the works!! We do have plenty of hot steamed towels. .
I definitely appreciate your response Moonglow!!
Have a wonderful weekend!