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[QUOTE=Paradigum;6275129]Holy peeps. Some people here maintaining 300 as seen below? I'm getting more 1 k / meet quotes now than ever. Hell. I am getting more in Seattle than I use to get in Las Vegas and all of them were pros. And these are not the 21-25 yo sb's. These are 35+ with kid types. WTF is going on? Given the way the market has gone. It's time for be to bow out. Happy to have my own job at the moment but I've laid off 50 people in the last few months. Bonus down to nothing (use to be my play money). Seattle has a net declining population (more people moving away than moving to) thus my rental properties are tanking in value. I can't be alone in this. Am I? No longer worth doing this locally and will instead do when travelling. Seattle is a becoming wasteland.[/QUOTE]Yep. I'm getting GFE quotes at 1500! The one I have is never satisfied. These women have zero idea what the fuck is going on in the world. An OF and porn work are the answer to all their problems. They shit on decent " daddy's" because they think they can make 250 k a year at the drop of a hat banging on screen. LOL. The companies are takin serous advantage right now. It's funny, they fuck us for 1 k but will do facials with strange dude in porn for 600! Then never even offer a ducking BJ! Fuck this. I've been a fool! They think at 24 they will out make the new 18-19 yo porn WGs. In this economy where these dumb girls are broker that ever! God I hope reality splashes water in their face! Not to mention they've told that men are useless! Funny, when something goes wrong the first person they call is a man! LOL. If we just stop paying maybe the market will correct. I doubt it though.

Speaking of all the GPS pricing.

Looking for intel on Bambii Basil, OF, Insta model asking for $250 m&g. I'm imagining $1 k PPM.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/4b31605f-247c-4011-9348-559722cac225[/URL]

[URL]https://www.instagram.com/bambiibasilofficial/[/URL]

[URL]https://onlyfans.com/bambiibasil[/URL]

PM me if you have details. I've been hemming and hawing about her. We've been in a little back-and-forth, but she looks like yacht candy.

Honestly, I swear SA is where girls who are too dysfunctional to be strippers or escorts end up. None of the many girls I've met off sugar sites has any reasonable clue what their time and my money is actually worth. The ones who say something like, "I know my worth" usually have the least clue. By a large margin.

When any of these girls puts out an outrageous price, I usually just come back with what I'd expect for that amount of money. If she balks at that I wish her well and move on. Sometimes they have agreed, and sometimes they've pretended to agree and then move on to some other scam on you.

One girl I've been communicating with recently finally came out and said that she was looking for a guy who'd give her $2500 per month but otherwise have no contact with her. She argued that because she has two kids and goes to church that was the only deal that would work for her. I told her very politely I wasn't interested and wished her luck in finding the ideal situation for herself. So she went silent for a month and reached out to me this morning asking if we can meet for a cup of coffee.

Another girl I just can't figure out. We met face-to-face for coffee about six weeks ago. She's super hot and friendly and flirty and knows what she is on the site for. We've agreed on fair compensation and she knows I have the money. But every time we set up a date she cancels at the last minute. I'm guessing she is chickening out and doesn't need the money as badly as she claims. Or she's working some other angle and trying to get me to give her money before we meet in the flesh, as it were.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;6275858]Honestly, I swear SA is where girls who are too dysfunctional to be strippers or escorts end up. None of the many girls I've met off sugar sites has any reasonable clue what their time and my money is actually worth. The ones who say something like, "I know my worth" usually have the least clue. By a large margin.

When any of these girls puts out an outrageous price, I usually just come back with what I'd expect for that amount of money. If she balks at that I wish her well and move on. Sometimes they have agreed, and sometimes they've pretended to agree and then move on to some other scam on you.

One girl I've been communicating with recently finally came out and said that she was looking for a guy who'd give her $2500 per month but otherwise have no contact with her. She argued that because she has two kids and goes to church that was the only deal that would work for her. I told her very politely I wasn't interested and wished her luck in finding the ideal situation for herself. So she went silent for a month and reached out to me this morning asking if we can meet for a cup of coffee.

Another girl I just can't figure out. We met face-to-face for coffee about six weeks ago. She's super hot and friendly and flirty and knows what she is on the site for. We've agreed on fair compensation and she knows I have the money. But every time we set up a date she cancels at the last minute. I'm guessing she is chickening out and doesn't need the money as badly as she claims. Or she's working some other angle and trying to get me to give her money before we meet in the flesh, as it were.[/QUOTE]2500 a month? And you have no contact with her? You have to be joking me! There are some really entitled GPS girls out there. Imo you are just wasting your time with SA. Use tinder. If you legit got money just use tinder. That's how I got both of my sugar babies this year. Both were 21 year olds going to UW and smoking hot. And totally totally non pros. Girls that are actually doing something with there life and come from a decent to good upbringing and don't mind the companionship for money. As long as you are semi attractive, have good money and are a good guy it's not hard to convince a girl to be with you if you are fun to be around.

[QUOTE=Paradigum;6275129]Holy peeps. Some people here maintaining 300 as seen below? I'm getting more 1 k / meet quotes now than ever. Hell. I am getting more in Seattle than I use to get in Las Vegas and all of them were pros. And these are not the 21-25 yo sb's. These are 35+ with kid types. WTF is going on? Given the way the market has gone. It's time for be to bow out. Happy to have my own job at the moment but I've laid off 50 people in the last few months. Bonus down to nothing (use to be my play money). Seattle has a net declining population (more people moving away than moving to) thus my rental properties are tanking in value. I can't be alone in this. Am I? No longer worth doing this locally and will instead do when travelling. Seattle is a becoming wasteland.[/QUOTE]Traveling is where it's at honestly. I recently went on a road trip not long ago and on my way back to Seattle I stopped in mid-sized rural town and hit up a cute petite early 20's stoner girl on SA. After talking a bit, I offered 400 for spending the night, she agreed. She was fun, smart, personable, but also super submissive, horny, definitely had a thing for older dominant men, and quickly was willing to let me do just about anything to her. The next morning, she told me that she wished we could keep hanging out, and I ended up staying there another night and we mostly hung out and fucked a bunch more and she didn't ask for any further allowance, but I gave her a bit more anyways. I saw that there is a small regional airport near her with cheap direct flights to Seattle, and I talked to her and now I'm paying for her to fly up here for 4 days in a few weeks, we agreed on 800 plus I'd take her out on some nice dates and touristy things while she's in town.

I do still find some chicks like that on SA in Seattle, but they are fewer and farer between. 3 or 4 years ago though, it was a lot easier to find cute young chicks just looking for fun and wild sex and a bit of money here.

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;6275858]Honestly, I swear SA is where girls who are too dysfunctional to be strippers or escorts end up. None of the many girls I've met off sugar sites has any reasonable clue what their time and my money is actually worth. The ones who say something like, "I know my worth" usually have the least clue. By a large margin.

When any of these girls puts out an outrageous price, I usually just come back with what I'd expect for that amount of money. If she balks at that I wish her well and move on. Sometimes they have agreed, and sometimes they've pretended to agree and then move on to some other scam on you.

One girl I've been communicating with recently finally came out and said that she was looking for a guy who'd give her $2500 per month but otherwise have no contact with her. She argued that because she has two kids and goes to church that was the only deal that would work for her. I told her very politely I wasn't interested and wished her luck in finding the ideal situation for herself. So she went silent for a month and reached out to me this morning asking if we can meet for a cup of coffee..[/QUOTE]What is SA again?

[QUOTE=Paradigum;6275129]Holy peeps. Some people here maintaining 300 as seen below? I'm getting more 1 k / meet quotes now than ever. Hell. I am getting more in Seattle than I use to get in Las Vegas and all of them were pros. And these are not the 21-25 yo sb's. These are 35+ with kid types. WTF is going on? Given the way the market has gone. It's time for be to bow out. Happy to have my own job at the moment but I've laid off 50 people in the last few months. Bonus down to nothing (use to be my play money). Seattle has a net declining population (more people moving away than moving to) thus my rental properties are tanking in value. I can't be alone in this. Am I? No longer worth doing this locally and will instead do when travelling. Seattle is a becoming wasteland.[/QUOTE]Yeah Seattle's economy is heavily linked to the tech industry. We have other large employers but Tech dominates. It dictates how the city does financially. With the tech industry struggling it is reflecting in adjoining industries like rentals and housing. I really wish Seattle diversifies a little into the financial sector (like Chicago or NYC) to keep the economy and job market a little stronger and therefore keeping housing etc a little less volatile. Either way the women on SA and in the hobby scene here are clueless. They are trying to make as much money as they can right now by holding prices higher. And it is working temporarily for them. It is a loosing proposition in the long run. The way to gear up for a recession is not to "Price guage as much as you can", but rather to build a strong client base by providing good service at a reasonable price.

That natural Bush really does it for me. Any one had expedite with hippie chicks?

I need a SA discount code.

[QUOTE=ProJohn1;6276520]2500 a month? And you have no contact with her? You have to be joking me! There are some really entitled GPS girls out there. Imo you are just wasting your time with SA. Use tinder...[/QUOTE]I can see your point. On the other hand, even though 95% of what SA and SB put out there is utter crap, the remaining 5% are somewhere between Good Enough and Pretty Great. When I find a decent one she can stay on the rotation for two or three years, and usually I have between three and five girls on my rotation. If they have a crazy or obnoxious sense of entitlement I usually flush them right then and there and move on, so the cost to me in time and effort is negligible. Most of the time the bad ones are pretty well filtered out before I ever meet them or show them money.

A lot of times I find when they are asking for something outrageous their "thinking" is, "I've got this $1500 bill that I've got to pay so I'll go out there and ask for $1500 for a meetup. " Like I said this group of girls isn't exactly a bunch of rocket scientists, and they are looking for sure things and easy money. But if you get them a way to get to that $1500 (e. G. Spread it out over a few visits or get them to agree to a three-day weekend fuckfest) they might agree.

Many of these girls, like I said, aren't rocket scientists and can be hilariously clueless and naive about how things actually work. I've told more than one lady barely old enough to drink (or not old enough to drink) that if she is on a web site like that, she has to expect that sooner or later she is going to have some strange man's dick inside of her. And one girl who told me that "blowjobs are gross" I regretfully informed her that she was going to do a lot of gross things in her life, one way or the other, and a blowjob isn't even in the top fifty.

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;6277843]I need a SA discount code.[/QUOTE]These worked for me:

[URL]https://us.coupert.com/coupon/seeking-arrangement?promoid=218830341&h=180[/URL]

Hey guys,

Do you have intel on this one?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/412726aa-07da-4c7e-b5e7-2da76dd42b73[/URL]

[QUOTE=Saboteur90;6279614]Hey guys,

Do you have intel on this one?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/412726aa-07da-4c7e-b5e7-2da76dd42b73[/URL][/QUOTE]You linked your messages.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/34d5086d-9a84-44e9-8764-338bc83940d2[/URL]

Wants money for "groceries".

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5c8a2c40-867b-42ec-8a63-77fdb3f4abc0[/URL]

Contacted me from 2 different phone numbers, introduced "herself" by two different names (Kenzie and Kay), and then asked for a $100 deposit upfront.

[QUOTE=XyzzyS2;6280502][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/34d5086d-9a84-44e9-8764-338bc83940d2[/URL]

Wants money for "groceries".[/QUOTE]That's the tallest 5'0" person that I've seen in my life.

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;6280477]You linked your messages.[/QUOTE]Oopsi.

Here is the link.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/008449b3-a83a-4054-b483-6426cd4517bd[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/67761119-7f96-41db-8730-001e00e59dad[/URL]

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/66b04b06-0a41-4264-aae1-2968a37310f5[/URL]

[QUOTE=Saboteur90;6281017]Oopsi.

Here is the link.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/008449b3-a83a-4054-b483-6426cd4517bd[/URL][/QUOTE]So the thicker girl, was on SA solo, I never had a chance for date, then she shows up with the guy. Current status, 400 per date, the guy will be there as they prefer 3 some. Or add another 400 and you can have a 4 some as they have 2-3 other girls in the stable.

Not for me.

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;6281251]So the thicker girl, was on SA solo, I never had a chance for date, then she shows up with the guy. Current status, 400 per date, the guy will be there as they prefer 3 some. Or add another 400 and you can have a 4 some as they have 2-3 other girls in the stable.

Not for me.[/QUOTE]Thanks for info.

Yeah that was the weird part for me too. She was insisting that the other dude will be there.

[QUOTE=PoonHound1969;6281251]So the thicker girl, was on SA solo, I never had a chance for date, then she shows up with the guy. Current status, 400 per date, the guy will be there as they prefer 3 some. Or add another 400 and you can have a 4 some as they have 2-3 other girls in the stable.

Not for me.[/QUOTE]He's a tub and she's not pretty enough to be charging. Tell them to go back to FetLife and just have fun with other overweight kinky people. Not everyone needs to make money from fucking. End of rant.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/8d34887b-4622-4c55-8240-af637e9d4407[/URL]

Pictures are fire. Seems to good to be true, but wondered if anyone had seen her.

Anybody have any info? I've been messaging her. She seems legit, haven't talked $$$ yet, not trying to scare her away! I'll be staying in the south KC area for a few days and thought I would try to hook up with her if the cost isn't stupid. She's been around for a while and has local sight pics I'm familiar with.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/034a98a6-3a19-4e90-a33f-71816b300477[/URL]

[QUOTE=Money420;6282479]Anybody have any info? I've been messaging her. She seems legit, haven't talked $$$ yet, not trying to scare her away! I'll be staying in the south KC area for a few days and thought I would try to hook up with her if the cost isn't stupid. She's been around for a while and has local sight pics I'm familiar with.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/034a98a6-3a19-4e90-a33f-71816b300477[/URL][/QUOTE]Many, many posts on her. Think the consensus is she's looking for payment for meals and then is never heard from again, although I believe one user here was defending her as legit. My personal experience was her requesting I meet near her (a long drive south) and she did want partial ppm for the meet' and' greet, so I passed.

[QUOTE=Money420;6282479]Anybody have any info? I've been messaging her. She seems legit, haven't talked $$$ yet, not trying to scare her away! I'll be staying in the south KC area for a few days and thought I would try to hook up with her if the cost isn't stupid. She's been around for a while and has local sight pics I'm familiar with.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/034a98a6-3a19-4e90-a33f-71816b300477[/URL][/QUOTE]She has been mentioned here plenty of times but I do not recall anybody actually meeting her.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6536a95d-5c54-47ff-a383-9bba3eef8487[/URL]

She is going to think she will get 800 to 1 k to meet.

I held firm. She came over.

She thought we were going to use covers.

Uh no.

Msog for 400. Creampie.

She is always in need of money. I just hold out until she is desperate.

Then she becomes a little cumdumpster.

She says I am the only one. Lolololol.

Oh, she doesn't know I know this but she is a stripper at Sugars.

Any alternatives for signing up? I had an account, but they perma-banned me for whatever reason and I haven't been able to register again (I tried an alt, but they deleted that account shortly after).

[QUOTE=DelToro;6282516]She has been mentioned here plenty of times but I do not recall anybody actually meeting her.[/QUOTE]I can see why, kind of has an off putting attitude. Too bad, I think she is real and very fine.

Previous posts have been unclear as to whether or not anyone has met Jayla ([URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/683dd945-5b42-4170-9da9-095b758e8010[/URL]), a self-described kind Norwegian girl next door with a heart of gold. Given her pics, I wanted to give it a shot, but wasn't holding my breath. I've now blocked her phone number and profile.

Here's what went down:

* Nice chat on the site, moved to text after some pleasant, flirty back and forth.

* Tried to set a date for a meet and greet, but holidays got in the way.

* She reached back out, settled on a date. Then came the ask for $200 for the M&G.

* I said no. We both should invest our time in the M&G, no $. She countered that her experience was that people who don't invest $ end up being cheap on the SD side throughout the relationship.

* I asked what she expected. She said $800-$1,000 per meet.

* For kicks I said sure, just to see what would happen next.

* She said we could skip the M&G and just do a video call.

* We set up two video calls. The first time she was running late because of a nail appointment and the second she just failed to respond.

* I sent her a firm but nice note saying a didn't like having my time wasted and that like how her experience with people not paying for M&Gs showed they would be cheap throughout the relationship, my experience was that people who don't show up on time clearly don't value the other person in the relationship and show how they would regularly not keep their commitments throughout the relationship.

* Blocked and blocked.

No idea if she's even real or just somebody playing games, but there you have it.

[QUOTE=DrtyHarry;6276716]Yeah Seattle's economy is heavily linked to the tech industry. We have other large employers but Tech dominates. It dictates how the city does financially. With the tech industry struggling it is reflecting in adjoining industries like rentals and housing. I really wish Seattle diversifies a little into the financial sector (like Chicago or NYC) to keep the economy and job market a little stronger and therefore keeping housing etc a little less volatile. Either way the women on SA and in the hobby scene here are clueless. They are trying to make as much money as they can right now by holding prices higher. And it is working temporarily for them. It is a loosing proposition in the long run. The way to gear up for a recession is not to "Price guage as much as you can", but rather to build a strong client base by providing good service at a reasonable price.[/QUOTE]More a jumping into porn. They think it's a easy road to wealth. One told me " two years in porn and I never woke another day in my life!" She's 22. Maybe.

Problem is as the layoffs mount (Amazon 17 k today), more girls will porn it up. Male talent and "managers" are licking their lips!

Amiyah7414.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ba7f05be-f9a0-4c20-ba36-3cb8422e7e30[/URL]

Requires a minimum PPM of $600 and that is with a curvy MILF body that she told me some guys found unacceptable.

Next.

[QUOTE=CameraShy;6283964]Previous posts have been unclear as to whether or not anyone has met Jayla ([URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/683dd945-5b42-4170-9da9-095b758e8010[/URL]), a self-described kind Norwegian girl next door with a heart of gold. Given her pics, I wanted to give it a shot, but wasn't holding my breath. I've now blocked her phone number and profile.

* I sent her a firm but nice note saying a didn't like having my time wasted and that like how her experience with people not paying for M&Gs showed they would be cheap throughout the relationship, my experience was that people who don't show up on time clearly don't value the other person in the relationship and show how they would regularly not keep their commitments throughout the relationship.

* Blocked and blocked.

No idea if she's even real or just somebody playing games, but there you have it.[/QUOTE]Hats off to you, guy. There's such a wide variety of options on SA, I think we need to do everything we can to not turn it into shit by holding on to good standards and practices. I like that you called her bluff, and did it in a classy manner.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c7be21e6-97c1-4b96-b6c2-46699cf6707d[/URL]

Talked through snap, confirmed ppm rate of 3 franklins plus any incidentals. On chat also confirmed she down for raw and on bc but can't shoot inside her.

Took a few weeks of back and forth to meet but was worth it imo. She's very mid but for $$$ a solid option. Msog, and left happy and drained of fluids.

I've been trying to 4 some this one girl for a few weeks now. Any two dudes interested in joining? Must be 45+ for maturity reasons. Drop me a message.

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/3543d0b401281b74[/URL]

Easy conversation chubby chick. Says she has never done this before. Immediately agreed to 300. In discussing details she said she wants to be totally dominated. That's not really my thing but if it's yours go for it!

[QUOTE=Bronco62;6285620][URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/3543d0b401281b74[/URL]

Easy conversation chubby chick. Says she has never done this before. Immediately agreed to 300. In discussing details she said she wants to be totally dominated. That's not really my thing but if it's yours go for it![/QUOTE]Wow, my game must be off. She quoted me $550 based on advice from someone, and that's for quickies (what she prefers) while her kid is home. Early morning or late nights.

[QUOTE=Bronco62;6285620][URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/3543d0b401281b74[/URL]

Easy conversation chubby chick. Says she has never done this before. Immediately agreed to 300. In discussing details she said she wants to be totally dominated. That's not really my thing but if it's yours go for it![/QUOTE]She was willing to negotiate, but a hell no for me.

Can anyone see this profile still? Or did she leave? If so, fuck. Was hot as hell.

[QUOTE=MitchCor;6191136]Holy shit, this ladies pics just totally do it for me. Amazing tight bod and tats. Anyone ever see her?

Or anyone know a provider like her? I might have to break my 300 limit, hehe.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/991e9ca6-7ff2-4606-aebd-c128e7d0d77b[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MitchCor;6191136]Holy shit, this ladies pics just totally do it for me. Amazing tight bod and tats. Anyone ever see her?

Or anyone know a provider like her? I might have to break my 300 limit, hehe.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/991e9ca6-7ff2-4606-aebd-c128e7d0d77b[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MitchCor;6286812]Can anyone see this profile still? Or did she leave? If so, fuck. Was hot as hell.[/QUOTE]I cannot. She has either bloicked me or left.