The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

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Side note / question: has anyone tried using AirBnB's? I would imagine most are pretty unoccupied during the daytime and weekday hours so you could potentially have the run of the place.[/QUOTE]I've used an AirBnB for a meet before. The host even cut me a deal by a few bucks when I messaged him directly and told him I was from in town and was getting some 'repairs done to my home'. I also have a good history on AirBnB. That goes a long way. Don't ever be a problem for hosts, works wonders for future stays when attempting to negotiate.

Agree on the older ladies. Most really do have an "IDGAF" vibe and are really, honestly, happy to be appreciated and treated well. Most aren't nearly the GPS / gold-digging types like the college girls. And they usually don't mind hosting when they can. Very true.

Can echo what is being said about those in their 30's. Generally are way more into it, talented and definitely have their own kinks.

Big big thank you to you all!

There are certain things I have to rewire in my head after reading your all advices like coming up with a bs identity, beware of potential psycho, arrangements and approach.

I have been doing some thinking on my own as well I think I should start will "low hanging fruits" like girls who has erotic photos on their profile. They might very well just want the money and don't care if I approach them the wrong way.

Anyhow I guess I need some time to plan my game before diving in. You probably won't see me posting my first review soon but for sure will do one when I finally get to that point.

[QUOTE=AzBadger7;5315872]looks vs stability[/QUOTE]Reminds me of this video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpGkrViOcE[/URL]

Classic video and the man is speaking the truth LOL.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;5316377]Reminds me of this video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpGkrViOcE[/URL][/QUOTE]

Anyone had the opportunity to see this lady? PM me any info you have.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/df96dc6e-2b1b-4ad0-9735-a88844c88ae6[/URL]

What the link was going to be before it was posted. This should be youtube's #1 vid of all time. Every man should share it with his son. Of course, if you're like me (most of us on this board), strippers and redheads are what we like. Tiffany. He could update the video to add Jade, Brianna, Hailey, Makayla, did I miss any?

[QUOTE=Spitfire;5316377]Reminds me of this video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpGkrViOcE[/URL][/QUOTE]

This man is a genius.

- Tork.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;5316377]Reminds me of this video.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbpGkrViOcE[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SmallAsianCock;5316857]Anyone had the opportunity to see this lady? PM me any info you have.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/df96dc6e-2b1b-4ad0-9735-a88844c88ae6[/URL][/QUOTE]She wanted 300 and is willing and ready to meet anytime. I have not taken the plunge yet. But we have agreed to a meeting. Possibly next week.

[QUOTE=AzBadger7;5315872]Just some rambling thoughts on my lunch break:

I'd say stick with ppm. Too big of a risk paying upfront monthly, a certain level of trust needs to exist. I have done monthly with with an older woman, because she wanted it to feel less transactional. But we were also meeting at her place. Older women tend to give off less bullshit than the 20 year olds. It's a trade off, looks vs stability. Try to find a girl that can host, hotel rooms can get expensive depending on how many times you're meeting up a month. Hotel reward points if you do go down that route. Forgot to mention the SBs who will try to sell pics / vids. Probably a dude, just end the conversation. I've noticed more and more girls with their location listed as "North Carolina, North Carolina" as opposed to "Raleigh, North Carolina" or whatever town. I've had no luck with any of those profiles, can't for sure say they're a scam though.

Somehow I always bring the conversation with sugar babies around to their prior experience on SA. The girls always have horror stories about weird guys on the site asking them to do disgusting, degrading stuff. I'm not saying guys shouldn't have kinks and not judging, I've got my own. But maybe don't lead off the convo asking if you can give them golden showers, get your salad tossed, etc. Maybe leave that for date #2 or 3. You're ahead of the game if you act normal.[/QUOTE]I am based out in Charlotte and just curious to know for those of you who have sugared in raleigh and charlotte, which place do you find better deals overall? Charlotte ppm seem to be 200-400 for the most part. Also, do you guys try to NOT engage in ppm negotiations until you have met these ladies in real person? I feel like when negotiating ppm over text these ladies are factoring the creep factor in the price so just wanted to hear your general thoughts about this. I personally have hard time getting any one of these ladies, whether it be charlotte or raleigh, to agree to anything less than 300-350 but also when I have not discussed ppm and just met them in real life, they have mostly just been happy with 250 or sometimes even 200.

Obviously, I can't speak to everyone's experience, just my own. That being said, once I've actually sat down with someone face to face and had a good lunch / coffee date, I've almost never failed with my PPM offers. If you approach it online, you're immediately competing with everyone else in her inbox. Right alongside those fake offers from people who plan on ghosting her after she agrees to an amount that they never intended on giving her in the first place. It's your job to get her to sit down with you, make a great impression, take care of your appearance, make her feel comfortable, and above all else, not make her feel dirty for sugaring. It's an absolute bonus if you're already a decent guy and you're not bad to look at. Immediately getting handsy, treating her like a set of wet holes, and saying creepy comments will sink your ship faster than anything else.

I just turned 39, and I'm in decent shape, and in the past I was able to land meets for 100, typically around 200, because I've been told, 'I'm not gross and I'm cool to hang out with. '.

Don't be a creep. Once you avoid that, you're miles ahead a lot of people flooding her inbox. Focus on the ones you really like, who can have a great conversation online, making it a priority that she feels safe. Follow through with that. And the rest will work itself out. Meet her face to face and make sure the date isn't weird, awkward, or oddly silent. If you're fun and normal, she'll pick up on that energy, and it'll pay out in spades. Negotiation always goes so much better if she actually enjoys your company.

[QUOTE=Djapa1234;5321195]I am based out in Charlotte and just curious to know for those of you who have sugared in raleigh and charlotte, which place do you find better deals overall? Charlotte ppm seem to be 200-400 for the most part. Also, do you guys try to NOT engage in ppm negotiations until you have met these ladies in real person? I feel like when negotiating ppm over text these ladies are factoring the creep factor in the price so just wanted to hear your general thoughts about this. I personally have hard time getting any one of these ladies, whether it be charlotte or raleigh, to agree to anything less than 300-350 but also when I have not discussed ppm and just met them in real life, they have mostly just been happy with 250 or sometimes even 200.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DJprofessorK;5321705]Obviously, I can't speak to everyone's experience, just my own. That being said, once I've actually sat down with someone face to face and had a good lunch / coffee date, I've almost never failed with my PPM offers. If you approach it online, you're immediately competing with everyone else in her inbox. Right alongside those fake offers from people who plan on ghosting her after she agrees to an amount that they never intended on giving her in the first place. It's your job to get her to sit down with you, make a great impression, take care of your appearance, make her feel comfortable, and above all else, not make her feel dirty for sugaring. It's an absolute bonus if you're already a decent guy and you're not bad to look at. Immediately getting handsy, treating her like a set of wet holes, and saying creepy comments will sink your ship faster than anything else.

I just turned 39, and I'm in decent shape, and in the past I was able to land meets for 100, typically around 200, because I've been told, 'I'm not gross and I'm cool to hang out with. '.

Don't be a creep. Once you avoid that, you're miles ahead a lot of people flooding her inbox. Focus on the ones you really like, who can have a great conversation online, making it a priority that she feels safe. Follow through with that. And the rest will work itself out. Meet her face to face and make sure the date isn't weird, awkward, or oddly silent. If you're fun and normal, she'll pick up on that energy, and it'll pay out in spades. Negotiation always goes so much better if she actually enjoys your company.[/QUOTE]So how to you approach women who immediately jump into allowance discussions? I personally try to talk in monthly terms if for no other reason to NOT get banned, but I feel like a lot of these chicks have a excel spreadsheets where they pop in these offers and keep sorting them in descending order and that's all they care, in fact 80% of the people I talk to on SA immediately ask how much I can give them. I also try to get them to talk on the phone or face time BEFORE they even discuss $ cause after that, they are usually very very open and willing to meet.

In my experience, the people who ONLY care about the financial figure are the sort of people who will sit across from anyone as long as they're getting paid. I have typically never enjoyed the company of those people. And any woman on SA who doesn't care about chemistry, her safety, and whether or not you're a decent person is a pass for me. I'm assuming that you actually want her to enjoy your time together to some degree. And if the only criteria she's using to vet men is whether or not he meets a financial figure, I'd argue that she's not a very good SB. There are a lot of women on SA who complain of all the men being 'fakes' because they won't give her 5K a month, when there are several who would pay her 1100 a month rent if he got to see her 3-4 times a month, however, she wouldn't know that because she blocked him immediately after he balked at the 5k a month demand. Her loss, in my eyes.

The people who immediately jump to those discussions have probably sent the same exact message to 15 other guys just today. It's not entirely her fault though, because they do indeed have to weed out a lot of fakes, scammers, and dudes who want to go on vanilla dates and not give them anything. So don't give them too hard a time for taking this approach. Being mean to her will almost guarantee that you won't ever see her.

My suggestion: Spark a friendly, respectful, and fun conversation that leads to dinner or coffee. Meet her in a place that's convenient to her, since a lot of these women are flat broke or in a tough spot. Asking her to drive an hour to come see you could be an inconvenience that she just can't afford at the time. Which may lead to a few declines. Suggest meeting at a place that she's always wanted to try. I've been able to get by with just dinner for most Meet & Greets. In the event they want something, I'll offer a 50 dollar Amazon gift card or something. I know that can be annoying, but a good impression goes a long way, especially when you want to negotiate a PPM situation at a reduced rate. If she presses you on the figure before you meet, you can always say something to the effect of, 'That really depends on our in person chemistry, I'd feel foolish to promise you something and neither one of us is enjoying ourselves. ' People who want hundreds of dollars for a platonic Meet & Greet, I block. We're all equals on the site and no one's presence is a gift unless they can tell me with absolute certainty how to triple my investment returns for the year. And I already have a financial advisor who I pay, and even he can't promise that.

Since Meet & Greets can be time consuming, I'd say only focus on a few at a time that you'd really like to meet. Read her profile. Get to know her. Do your best to come off as genuinely interested and be fun to talk to.

There are tons of reasonable, respectful, mature women on SA who understand the value of the dollar, but also place a high priority on their safety and social life.

Here's a bonus tip: If you've been burned a lot by women on SA, have a problem with women, are pessimistic by nature, grumpy, or are generally not that fun to be around, KEEP ALL OF THAT TO YOURSELF. Saying less, smiling, and being generally pleasant goes miles in making her feel comfortable around you. Don't let your behavior be a reason for her to say no. Seriously, this is gold. After dinner, you want her thinking, 'Wow. That guy was actually a lot of fun and he didn't creep me out. ' I promise you, while she may not agree to anything, I bet she'll definitely put some serious consideration into what you do offer for PPM.

Be safe. Keep them safe. And be smart. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=Djapa1234;5322307]So how to you approach women who immediately jump into allowance discussions? I personally try to talk in monthly terms if for no other reason to NOT get banned, but I feel like a lot of these chicks have a excel spreadsheets where they pop in these offers and keep sorting them in descending order and that's all they care, in fact 80% of the people I talk to on SA immediately ask how much I can give them. I also try to get them to talk on the phone or face time BEFORE they even discuss $ cause after that, they are usually very very open and willing to meet.[/QUOTE]

Nothing specific, but had 3 ladies that ghosted me over the last year suddenly say hello or respond to a text. I'm wondering if things have settled down just a bit.

Holy shit. Don't go out there blowing cash, just wondering if things might be getting better (cause they can't get any fucking worse).

[QUOTE=MythMan2010;5323688]Nothing specific, but had 3 ladies that ghosted me over the last year suddenly say hello or respond to a text. I'm wondering if things have settled down just a bit.

Holy shit. Don't go out there blowing cash, just wondering if things might be getting better (cause they can't get any fucking worse).[/QUOTE]All this week, plus ads popping back up for girls who I haven't seen in a while. The money has run out. When Uncle Joe stops giving, Uncle Ignoramus provided.