The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

Beware. PM me for details since I am getting several inquiries from my post on Escort Reports.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/63432ca6-ce28-44fb-b770-9c5b49567a49[/URL]

So far, on 2 sites referenced in this thread, I have paid to communicate with 10 girls, 1 of which I met and it was mediocre, she was paranoid with too many rules for a "sugar baby," she drank all my booze that I brought (at her request), seemed sad when I wouldn't pay her rent for the month, and I realized she was the textbook definition of a succubus, but one with severe mental issues lurking under the surface, so I had to find creative ways to bail out of the situation so that she would direct her imminent latent anger elsewhere.

That was the one I actually met.

The other 9 have either accepted my requests and never replied when I said hello, talked and said all they wanted was coffee, or pictures, or wasted my time asking for money for their kids, gas money to get back to NC, or to go to the store and buy their kid a toy so he can "go play in the yard with Bobby" when I get there.

I shit you not. So WTF?

[QUOTE=Ignoramus;5312969]So far, on 2 sites referenced in this thread, I have paid to communicate with 10 girls, 1 of which I met and it was mediocre, she was paranoid with too many rules for a "sugar baby," she drank all my booze that I brought (at her request), seemed sad when I wouldn't pay her rent for the month, and I realized she was the textbook definition of a succubus, but one with severe mental issues lurking under the surface, so I had to find creative ways to bail out of the situation so that she would direct her imminent latent anger elsewhere.

That was the one I actually met.

The other 9 have either accepted my requests and never replied when I said hello, talked and said all they wanted was coffee, or pictures, or wasted my time asking for money for their kids, gas money to get back to NC, or to go to the store and buy their kid a toy so he can "go play in the yard with Bobby" when I get there.

I shit you not. So WTF?[/QUOTE]Honestly? After a year on SA, this seems like a pretty good success rate to me. Especially as the "buy their kid a toy" one sounds legit, so that puts you at about 1 win out of 5 on average.

And paying for rent usually ends up being a pretty reasonable allowance. So long as you don't meet her on the 1st and she expects you to pay up right then, that's a decent deal.

[QUOTE=jobobtheclown;5313171]Honestly? After a year on SA, this seems like a pretty good success rate to me. Especially as the "buy their kid a toy" one sounds legit, so that puts you at about 1 win out of 5 on average.

And paying for rent usually ends up being a pretty reasonable allowance. So long as you don't meet her on the 1st and she expects you to pay up right then, that's a decent deal.[/QUOTE]The average apartment rent in Raleigh right now is $1250 per month. It'd be cheaper to just get divorced, pay alimony / child support and just date.

Sugar Babies in this market should be $150-200 per meet. IF they are attractive and can host.

[QUOTE=VincentCor74;5313657]The average apartment rent in Raleigh right now is $1250 per month. It'd be cheaper to just get divorced, pay alimony / child support and just date.

Sugar Babies in this market should be $150-200 per meet. IF they are attractive and can host.[/QUOTE]Was what we agreed on to start. As far as buying the kid a toy, this (and about 3 other requests I didn't mention) were fielded to me after I'd been given "her" address, and then when I got there and asked her just to walk outside so I knew she was real, she said she couldn't because the kids were there. SCAM.

I reported every profile who did crap like this. Also, on WYP, there is an epidemic of girls who will "accept" your offer, waste your tokens, and never reply after that. I have so far received refunds for 3 because of this.

[QUOTE=VincentCor74;5280556]I went ahead and "booked" with her for Friday lunch appointment. Via chat she seems pretty legit. Has NOT asked for a deposit. Yet. Though local curmudgeon Pubb says it's a deposit scam. I'll let you know if it comes to fruition.[/QUOTE]Ok V-Man what are the results? A deposit scam, just a no show ghost, GPS, minions waiting with baited breath.

[QUOTE=Bb211;5314079]Ok V-Man what are the results? A deposit scam, just a no show ghost, GPS, minions waiting with baited breath.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, I don't know.

I never got asked for a deposit; but I also never got an email telling me an address or anything so I just forgot about it.

Fellas, I recently sign up for a free account on SA just to see what's out there.

There seems to be a good number of ladies on there (I haven't develop a sense for scammer yet) plus I got a dozen of messages in my inbox that I can't read which makes me want to take the plunge to pay for a month.

Any advice or caution that I should take before shelling out the money?

Any tips to make the most out of the one month membership?

Does 500 per month sound reasonable or it's better to stick to stg, eros and such?

Thanks in advance!

Just a few thoughts from my experience:

1) If you start out with a basic intro message and ask "how are you? "how's your day going? Etc. If the their response is "Could be better", "It's been rough lately" or anything similar. Don't waste anymore time, they're about to drop some sob story that ends with a Cashapp request for whatever bullshit reason.

2) Never Cashapp anyone before meeting. Wait until you get what you want before payment of any kind.

3) I almost never do a meet and greet. It's up to you, maybe you prefer to wine and dine your sugar baby. But I find it to be a waste of time, and some of these girls just want a free meal with no intention of going further. Most of them are willing to go straight to the bedroom if you talk to them the right way / don't treat them like a piece of meat.

4) When discussing price, almost every SB will feed you some variation of the line "my past sugar daddy paid me $X, no way I'll do $Y". Stand firm in negotiations. 500 per month could probably get you 2, possibly 3 meetups with a decent looking girl. The more attractive / GPS girls usually ask for at least 400-500 per meet.

I'm sure there is more I'm forgetting at the moment, but some basic things to look out for.

[QUOTE=Rapk9394;5314780]Fellas, I recently sign up for a free account on SA just to see what's out there.

There seems to be a good number of ladies on there (I haven't develop a sense for scammer yet) plus I got a dozen of messages in my inbox that I can't read which makes me want to take the plunge to pay for a month.

Any advice or caution that I should take before shelling out the money?

Any tips to make the most out of the one month membership?

Does 500 per month sound reasonable or it's better to stick to stg, eros and such?

Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AzBadger7;5314970]Just a few thoughts from my experience:

1) If you start out with a basic intro message and ask "how are you? "how's your day going? Etc. If the their response is "Could be better", "It's been rough lately" or anything similar. Don't waste anymore time, they're about to drop some sob story that ends with a Cashapp request for whatever bullshit reason.

2) Never Cashapp anyone before meeting. Wait until you get what you want before payment of any kind.

3) I almost never do a meet and greet. It's up to you, maybe you prefer to wine and dine your sugar baby. But I find it to be a waste of time, and some of these girls just want a free meal with no intention of going further. Most of them are willing to go straight to the bedroom if you talk to them the right way / don't treat them like a piece of meat.

4) When discussing price, almost every SB will feed you some variation of the line "my past sugar daddy paid me $X, no way I'll do $Y". Stand firm in negotiations. 500 per month could probably get you 2, possibly 3 meetups with a decent looking girl. The more attractive / GPS girls usually ask for at least 400-500 per meet.

I'm sure there is more I'm forgetting at the moment, but some basic things to look out for.[/QUOTE]Thanks man will keep these in mind. Good to know 500 will get me somewhere between 2 or maybe 3 meet.

Do people normally do ppm or monthly allowance? What are the pros / cons?

[QUOTE=Rapk9394;5314994]Thanks man will keep these in mind. Good to know 500 will get me somewhere between 2 or maybe 3 meet.

Do people normally do ppm or monthly allowance? What are the pros / cons?[/QUOTE]I'd stick to PPM for the same reason AZBadger mentioned not paying upfront. It's the same as the escort scams, they have no reason to meet with you again once they have your money.

Get yours, then they get theirs --as long as you show them their gift before your meetings they shouldn't have any qualms about it if they are legit and understand the game.

Yes. If you budget $500 per month, you should, at the very least, be able to get two fun get-togethers with an attractive college girl or single mom or stripper or whatever; and more likely 3 to 4 if you are a nice, charming and decent to good looking dude.

My advice would be:

1.) Stick to the free option for a bit and just use "right click / google image search" to see if you can locate them "off-line" / outside the site before you commit to spending money. (This, obviously, takes more time and work than direct messaging but it lets you get a feel for if this is going to be successful for you, or not).

2.) Set your PPM budget and don't waiver, don't get caught up in being a "white knight" for some sob story. If a girl wants more than what you originally planned. Move on. There's someone else that will gladly take your money and probably be a more fun time, anyway.

3.) Cash only transactions. Yes, all these young girls have practically grown up with electronic payments and try to demand it. While these forms of payment are more secure than they used to be, they still lead to "exposure" on your end.

4.) Limited personal info -- don't give away too much info about yourself. It's fine to get to know them and develop a "friendship" - that's why a lot of us prefer the Sugar scene to escorts, after all. But DO NOT let them know your real name, don't invite them to your place, etc. There are horror stories of blackmail / extortion attempts. Hell, there are girls on there that it's their only real intention. (Obviously, this depends on YOUR personal life. Married, job, etc).

[QUOTE=VincentCor74;5315395]I'd stick to PPM for the same reason AZBadger mentioned not paying upfront. It's the same as the escort scams, they have no reason to meet with you again once they have your money.

Get yours, then they get theirs --as long as you show them their gift before your meetings they shouldn't have any qualms about it if they are legit and understand the game.

Yes. If you budget $500 per month, you should, at the very least, be able to get two fun get-togethers with an attractive college girl or single mom or stripper or whatever; and more likely 3 to 4 if you are a nice, charming and decent to good looking dude.

My advice would be:

1.) Stick to the free option for a bit and just use "right click / google image search" to see if you can locate them "off-line" / outside the site before you commit to spending money. (This, obviously, takes more time and work than direct messaging but it lets you get a feel for if this is going to be successful for you, or not).

2.) Set your PPM budget and don't waiver, don't get caught up in being a "white knight" for some sob story. If a girl wants more than what you originally planned. Move on. There's someone else that will gladly take your money and probably be a more fun time, anyway.

3.) Cash only transactions. Yes, all these young girls have practically grown up with electronic payments and try to demand it. While these forms of payment are more secure than they used to be, they still lead to "exposure" on your end.

4.) Limited personal info -- don't give away too much info about yourself. It's fine to get to know them and develop a "friendship" - that's why a lot of us prefer the Sugar scene to escorts, after all. But DO NOT let them know your real name, don't invite them to your place, etc. There are horror stories of blackmail / extortion attempts. Hell, there are girls on there that it's their only real intention. (Obviously, this depends on YOUR personal life. Married, job, etc).[/QUOTE]I can confirm that this is all amazing advice. Really, they are words to live by when dealing with women on SA. Who are essentially strangers. It's important to never forget that part.

If anything, I'd like to add to Point 1. Doing research has saved me countless times. Two women I almost met from SA, I found out that they had recently gotten out of prison for breaking and entering and armed robbery. I asked them straight up if they had a record, and both lied. When I sent them their mugshots, they finally admitted to it, but I was already done. Another woman had a couple of felonies, one being kidnapping. Something about intent to extort. I believe it was something she got roped up into with a bad boyfriend or something, but I don't care. My safety is more important than a fun night will ever be.

A good friend with his own business once told me, 'Slow to hire, quick to fire'. There are too many sensible, kind, and fun women out there for you to deal with nonsense. It's not worth it. Take your search seriously and SA will almost always be a great time.

I always use a fake name. And a pic that isn't too close up nor too recent, just enough to let them see that I am not on 600 lb life and I have my hair and don't wear Metallica T-shirts on a daily basis (not that there's anything wrong with that). For $ exchange, that's a double-win on their part and all they need. Be confident in your fake name and story, never let them know exactly how far away you live, nor what side of town (I always give BS info). Of course, use your burner #. It is really easy to be vague and pepper your entire date with all the half-truths you need. And based on my semi-psycho encounter from the one meet I had, I'm glad I did, and you will be too! They are lying as well when they tell you any number of sob stories about how they have been mistreated or had a bad breakup (read: victim syndrome, likely with a side of passive aggression or borderline personality disorder), how they are just going through a rough patch and need some help (read: they are an unreliable employee or can't get out of bed on time, their family has had enough and finally cut them off financially, generally have no motivation other than to be a semi-pro succubus, or are hiding a habit. COVID layoffs notwithstanding).

[QUOTE=VincentCor74;5315395]I'd stick to PPM for the same reason AZBadger mentioned not paying upfront. It's the same as the escort scams, they have no reason to meet with you again once they have your money.

Get yours, then they get theirs --as long as you show them their gift before your meetings they shouldn't have any qualms about it if they are legit and understand the game.

Yes. If you budget $500 per month, you should, at the very least, be able to get two fun get-togethers with an attractive college girl or single mom or stripper or whatever; and more likely 3 to 4 if you are a nice, charming and decent to good looking dude.

My advice would be:

1.) Stick to the free option for a bit and just use "right click / google image search" to see if you can locate them "off-line" / outside the site before you commit to spending money. (This, obviously, takes more time and work than direct messaging but it lets you get a feel for if this is going to be successful for you, or not).

2.) Set your PPM budget and don't waiver, don't get caught up in being a "white knight" for some sob story. If a girl wants more than what you originally planned. Move on. There's someone else that will gladly take your money and probably be a more fun time, anyway.

3.) Cash only transactions. Yes, all these young girls have practically grown up with electronic payments and try to demand it. While these forms of payment are more secure than they used to be, they still lead to "exposure" on your end.

4.) Limited personal info -- don't give away too much info about yourself. It's fine to get to know them and develop a "friendship" - that's why a lot of us prefer the Sugar scene to escorts, after all. But DO NOT let them know your real name, don't invite them to your place, etc. There are horror stories of blackmail / extortion attempts. Hell, there are girls on there that it's their only real intention. (Obviously, this depends on YOUR personal life. Married, job, etc).[/QUOTE]

Just some rambling thoughts on my lunch break:

I'd say stick with ppm. Too big of a risk paying upfront monthly, a certain level of trust needs to exist. I have done monthly with with an older woman, because she wanted it to feel less transactional. But we were also meeting at her place. Older women tend to give off less bullshit than the 20 year olds. It's a trade off, looks vs stability. Try to find a girl that can host, hotel rooms can get expensive depending on how many times you're meeting up a month. Hotel reward points if you do go down that route. Forgot to mention the SBs who will try to sell pics / vids. Probably a dude, just end the conversation. I've noticed more and more girls with their location listed as "North Carolina, North Carolina" as opposed to "Raleigh, North Carolina" or whatever town. I've had no luck with any of those profiles, can't for sure say they're a scam though.

Somehow I always bring the conversation with sugar babies around to their prior experience on SA. The girls always have horror stories about weird guys on the site asking them to do disgusting, degrading stuff. I'm not saying guys shouldn't have kinks and not judging, I've got my own. But maybe don't lead off the convo asking if you can give them golden showers, get your salad tossed, etc. Maybe leave that for date #2 or 3. You're ahead of the game if you act normal.

[QUOTE=Rapk9394;5314994]Thanks man will keep these in mind. Good to know 500 will get me somewhere between 2 or maybe 3 meet.

Do people normally do ppm or monthly allowance? What are the pros / cons?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AzBadger7;5315872]Just some rambling thoughts on my lunch break:

I'd say stick with ppm. Too big of a risk paying upfront monthly, a certain level of trust needs to exist. I have done monthly with with an older woman, because she wanted it to feel less transactional. But we were also meeting at her place. Older women tend to give off less bullshit than the 20 year olds. It's a trade off, looks vs stability. Try to find a girl that can host, hotel rooms can get expensive depending on how many times you're meeting up a month. Hotel reward points if you do go down that route. Forgot to mention the SBs who will try to sell pics / vids. Probably a dude, just end the conversation. I've noticed more and more girls with their location listed as "North Carolina, North Carolina" as opposed to "Raleigh, North Carolina" or whatever town. I've had no luck with any of those profiles, can't for sure say they're a scam though.

Somehow I always bring the conversation with sugar babies around to their prior experience on SA. The girls always have horror stories about weird guys on the site asking them to do disgusting, degrading stuff. I'm not saying guys shouldn't have kinks and not judging, I've got my own. But maybe don't lead off the convo asking if you can give them golden showers, get your salad tossed, etc. Maybe leave that for date #2 or 3. You're ahead of the game if you act normal.[/QUOTE]At the "maybe don't lead off the convo asking if you can give them golden showers". There are quite a few ladies with their kinks on the sites but, yeah, that's pretty solid advice! The more "vanilla" you come off at first, gives you way more options.

Agree on the older ladies. Most really do have an "IDGAF" vibe and are really, honestly, happy to be appreciated and treated well. Most aren't nearly the GPS / gold-digging types like the college girls. And they usually don't mind hosting when they can. Very true.

Side note / question: has anyone tried using AirBnB's? I would imagine most are pretty unoccupied during the daytime and weekday hours so you could potentially have the run of the place.