Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5336709]It's not difficult to figure out (speaking as an insider to the legit spa industry here).

- Not too many legit massage therapists will post scantily clad photos of themselves. The good ones want to separate their legit massage business from anything extra. They know all it takes is getting caught once and they lose their license. Most of them spent a good deal of money to go to massage school and get their certificates so they could make a living in that field. Few will put that at risk.

Now, are there legit, licensed massage therapists providing extras on places like Massage Anywhere? I would say both of those combined is pretty rare, but not impossible. There's always going to be someone willing to bend the rules, no matter what you do. Given that California doesn't have a state license, yet (but it is likely coming very soon), it's a little easier to get away with it here than it is in some other states. But for the most part the legit massage industry is a very different mindset, and the vast majority of people who have really been to massage school and do it for a living wouldn't even remotely consider crossing the line.[/QUOTE]For certain, I don't have either the local knowledge, nor the insider information that you are privy. Even absent all of that, I would agree with you on all counts, which I hope was highly evident in my posts. My whole intention was to offer my personal take on sites like MA. Since I travel quite a bit, it is a source I have used with some success to obtain a legit service, with an occasional added benefit. That is all, that is the end of what I was offering. Since I have lived in Asia for 15 years, I'll admit I tend to gravitate to Asian providers, but sometimes I just want a western lady to massage me, and there is a difference, at least in my experience. I do tend to prefer the ladies that work alone or have a single partner, but that's just me. I am appreciative of your post and thanks for your insights.

[QUOTE=LordByron222;5336876]I've be seeing her for years, back when she was Jenny above the 7/11 on Santa Monica. I've put it in her bum many times, it's always fun. But the best thing about Jenny (Mary if you must) is the Rimming. If you just keep lifting your ass higher, she licks it good. It doesn't go on forever, but the last time she said "you like that" and doubled her efforts. Its the only place I know to get that (though I know there have other post about the subject) . And I would def put her age in the 60's.[/QUOTE]I haven't been focusing on her ass game lately. I will make a motion for rimming next time. I have never been rimmed at a massage parlor before. Not sure how it will feel.

I am not that experienced in ass game myself. For some reason I can't keep it hard like a rock for a minute or more to allow her ass to relax and loosen and insert my Johnson. But I think Mary / Jenny enjoys getting it from the rear door because she initially would walk the extra mile to help me bb Greek her. She would give me instructions like first put it in here (pointing to her P) and get it hard and then go down there in the ass (of course her English is broken but better than all the k-girls and she gets the point across). I will pop a 60 mg blue pill next weekend and try to inject seeds in her rear hole.

I have read in some forum that she is weird because (1) she likes taking it in the ass more than her P and (2) she might charge you extra if you want to use a cover. I believe that. God bless her.

Anyone know any places that do a good rim? Never had that done with a "massage. " Any suggestions?

[QUOTE=Estrange;5337221]I haven't been focusing on her ass game lately. I will make a motion for rimming next time. I have never been rimmed at a massage parlor before. Not sure how it will feel.

I am not that experienced in ass game myself. For some reason I can't keep it hard like a rock for a minute or more to allow her ass to relax and loosen and insert my Johnson. But I think Mary / Jenny enjoys getting it from the rear door because she initially would walk the extra mile to help me bb Greek her. She would give me instructions like first put it in here (pointing to her P) and get it hard and then go down there in the ass (of course her English is broken but better than all the k-girls and she gets the point across). I will pop a 60 mg blue pill next weekend and try to inject seeds in her rear hole.

I have read in some forum that she is weird because (1) she likes taking it in the ass more than her P and (2) she might charge you extra if you want to use a cover. I believe that. God bless her.[/QUOTE]So on another thread, mongers are reminiscing about park Asian. This was maybe the first "AAMP" Asian Apartment Massage Parlor, aka brothel. They had real photos, and I recall there being a girl there from fucken Norfolk Virginia was was on vacation, and fucking for dollars. There was another girl, I think Jordan, who was hotter than anything out there, who had guys fucking her in the kitchen.

And then there is this here thread. Waxing almost paradise lost about the relative ecstasy of fucking mary in the cooter versus her shitter.

I know I probably will get heat for this. Not the first time. But Mary is a not pretty Asian woman. I am being nice because of lent (is it still lent) but I would not call her ugly, because she is in relatively good shape and has a face that although you would want to put a bag over, would not require you to tie the bag up.

If I had my way, all Korean aamps would smell like the old park Asian and no one would discuss Mary at Chen's.

[QUOTE=LngTimeMongr;5337807]Anyone know any places that do a good rim? Never had that done with a "massage. " Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Tina in Encino, if she's accepting new clients? She'll treat you right if you tip her well. She'll go deep and finish with an excellent massage. She's super busy so you'll need to book a couple days in advance, but she's worth the drive.

[URL]https://losangeles.rubratings.com/123574[/URL]

So this ad has angered me for some time. It is some Russian gang running gals out of apartments on the west side. The pics are not real, but what is so vexing is that the girls can sometimes be decent. The last one I had was rushed, so I have death penaltied them.

But what got me really bent is the text of the add all about how clean the apartment is. Well on rub ratings the idiot mod will censor my reviews, so I left this one:

"the ad is right. Her apartment was clean, comfortable, and safe. I usually go to places that are not very clean, are uncomfortable, and in dangerous areas. I also wear a mask outside. There were clean towels and many sanitizers. I was very happy that this was not in a dangerous area and that her place was comfortable. ".

And the review got in.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5336709]It's not difficult to figure out (speaking as an insider to the legit spa industry here).

- If the provider lists a "CAMTC #" or "Certificate #" in their profile, I 99.999% assure you that they are legit with no extra services provided. That is basically their license number (technically California doesn't have a massage license, but that's a very long story for another post). You can take that number and look up the person's full name and city of practice. I don't think too many people providing happy endings would be posting their cert info. That would be far too risky.

- Wherever you are in So Cal, you can take an Uber to any one of the chain massage places and get a perfectly good massage for about $70. Outcall is obviously going to be a little more as the provider has to travel, lug her own table, and so on. But if you're paying any more than about $100 for a legit outcall massage you're overpaying. Providers with scantily clad photos, and stating outcall rates of $150, and don't post their CAMTC# are either providing extras, or they're just trying to use their good looks to entice you into overpaying without any intention of providing extras.

- Not too many legit massage therapists will post scantily clad photos of themselves. The good ones want to separate their legit massage business from anything extra. They know all it takes is getting caught once and they lose their license. Most of them spent a good deal of money to go to massage school and get their certificates so they could make a living in that field. Few will put that at risk.

- The vast majority of actual licensed massage therapists aren't ones that you'd want to get extras from. I have 25 on my staff and there's not a single one that you'd want to see naked. Over the years I've been open I've had maybe 2 or 3 that I'd consider attractive.

Now, are there legit, licensed massage therapists providing extras on places like Massage Anywhere? I would say both of those combined is pretty rare, but not impossible. There's always going to be someone willing to bend the rules, no matter what you do. Given that California doesn't have a state license, yet (but it is likely coming very soon), it's a little easier to get away with it here than it is in some other states. But for the most part the legit massage industry is a very different mindset, and the vast majority of people who have really been to massage school and do it for a living wouldn't even remotely consider crossing the line.[/QUOTE]The state keeps saying it wants to have a mandatory license, rather than voluntary certification, but given the current narrative, such a program might be viewed as racially discriminatory.

A license would probably keep out a lot of foreign born masseuses.

Also, the handjob portion of any exam would be hard to pass LOL.

I am not sure what place you own, but when I walk by the massage envy or other places, the female workers are generally ok looking.

It does appear that in many cities it is illegal to have a massage business (like those municipal codes are ever enforced) without a cert.

I maintain my statement. Trolling on massage anywhere for a girl who does HE is as productive as trolling on private delights looking for a girl who is not a fat pig with a smelly pussy.

[QUOTE=BSinTo;5338371]Tina in Encino, if she's accepting new clients? She'll treat you right if you tip her well. She'll go deep and finish with an excellent massage. She's super busy so you'll need to book a couple days in advance, but she's worth the drive.[/QUOTE]Tina does have a new girl working with her. She goes by Nikki. She is 40 and she is very cute. Her services are not at the level of Tina's (no rim) but her pussy tastes like she is 20. Nice face and body. A nice round ass.

[QUOTE=BigCountry818;5338551]Tina does have a new girl working with her. She goes by Nikki. She is 40 and she is very cute. Her services are not at the level of Tina's (no rim) but her pussy tastes like she is 20. Nice face and body. A nice round ass.[/QUOTE]Do they FS?

I don't see either of the reviews you mentioned
Edit: nvd i made an account and found it

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5338382][URL]https://losangeles.rubratings.com/123574[/URL]

So this ad has angered me for some time. It is some Russian gang running gals out of apartments on the west side. The pics are not real, but what is so vexing is that the girls can sometimes be decent. The last one I had was rushed, so I have death penaltied them.

But what got me really bent is the text of the add all about how clean the apartment is. Well on rub ratings the idiot mod will censor my reviews, so I left this one:

"the ad is right. Her apartment was clean, comfortable, and safe. I usually go to places that are not very clean, are uncomfortable, and in dangerous areas. I also wear a mask outside. There were clean towels and many sanitizers. I was very happy that this was not in a dangerous area and that her place was comfortable. ".

And the review got in.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5338477]

I maintain my statement. Trolling on massage anywhere for a girl who does HE is as productive as trolling on private delights looking for a girl who is not a fat pig with a smelly pussy.[/QUOTE]I really must be missing something. First, I don't see using a web site such as MA to obtain a massage as "trolling", but I am willing to admit that maybe my definition and yours is different. Second, and at least IMHO most important is that I went out the way to say that if you are in search of "higher service levels" using a site such as MA is the WRONG place to be looking.

Using that criteria, I would 100% agree with your statement, I only wanted to point out I never intended otherwise.

Now, as far as the other part of your post, while I have no desire to investigate the "smelly pussy" part of your premise, I will say that the sheer number of PAWG's (not in a good way) that are asking for large sums of money for their services on many escort sites is appalling to say the least. I don't expect Victoria Secret models, but WOW. Just WOW, it is beyond belief. I am sure this topic could fill many pages of this site in almost any city.

[QUOTE=LngTimeMongr;5338734]Do they FS?[/QUOTE]Are they into each other?

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5338477]The state keeps saying it wants to have a mandatory license, rather than voluntary certification, but given the current narrative, such a program might be viewed as racially discriminatory.

A license would probably keep out a lot of foreign born masseuses.

Also, the handjob portion of any exam would be hard to pass LOL.

I am not sure what place you own, but when I walk by the massage envy or other places, the female workers are generally ok looking.

It does appear that in many cities it is illegal to have a massage business (like those municipal codes are ever enforced) without a cert.

I maintain my statement. Trolling on massage anywhere for a girl who does HE is as productive as trolling on private delights looking for a girl who is not a fat pig with a smelly pussy.[/QUOTE]And it may get voted into law literally any day now. It would establish an official state license. We (the industry) are trying to head it off, not because we're anti-regulation, but because we're all hurting for therapists right now and this would create another barrier to entry. Enrollment at the massage schools is down to close to nothing right now, and no massage students means no new MTs to hire. The industry does want licensing and it will happen at some point. Hopefully just not right now. I'm directly involved with a group that's trying to lobby against the bill.

The fact of the matter is that 48 of the 50 states have a state license requirement, and the only other state that doesn't has more cows than people. When it happens in California it will change the landscape of this hobby. Exactly how is anybody's guess, but it will change.

I obviously wont say what place I own as that would be TMI, but we all hire based in skills, not looks. If our customers dont get a great massage they wont come back. I have some ok looking ones, but most of them arent ones youd give a second look to in public. I have a couple males as well. My front desk girls are all young and hot though - all in the 19-24 range. I need a cold shower when I get home sometimes. LOL.

Also, bear in mind that some of the girls you see at Massage Envy may be estheticians, not massage therapists. My estheticians are all pretty cute.

Anyone been recently? Friend rec'd Alexa but when I called mamasan didn't understand me. Any reviews or recs would be great.

If you want my opinion, and I am unanimous on this, the best non-FS massage parlor west of fucken downey is goldfinger in westwood.

The decent girls there do shit that make the "I got over the clothes" squirt shorts fuckos on maps of rub look like they just figured out how to make fire using a stovetop. For instance, if fingering asian pussy is your thing until the girl starts ordering brocolli beef, they got that. If having asians finger your ass so far that you can feel her index finger in your esophagus, they got that. If you like pencil eraser nipples you can suck on like they are coffee infused lollipops, they got that.

There are now four girls on staff who would be solid 8's on the ass-kissing review site. The other girls are pretty horrible, but I avoid them.

With this in mind, I will state that goldfinger is a holy place. Just like you would not go to the vatican and start drawing pentagrams, so too when you enter goldfinger, you must be in sync with the place.

So here are some rules:

1.

1. Learn the line up. Like I said, there are four girls now who are worth it. The other day, some fucken asshole came in and did not want what was offered, so he asked for another girl and mentioned a name of someone who was not there. The mamasan said I bring you someone else. This monger then fuken says "I am not trying to give you a hard time" - and you know this was just a few days after the calamity in atlanta. So, if you are going to be picky, do not do it when you are there and make everyone, including me with a finger up my ass, nervous as a figueroa hooker at a policman's fraternal union social. And.

2. Call ahead. As they said in slingblace, use the fucken phone. You can call ahead and when the girl says "golda finger massageee" you ask for a name roll call. She will say we have five girls. Ask if the desire girl is there.

3. Shitter. If I hear one more fucko coming in and asking "can I use the bathroom, is there one here in the back because I have been out all day drinking and I have to drain the main vein" I will plug the fucken toilet. I have done so at strip clubs before as retaliation. First off, go to the bathroom before. Where are you guys coming from, a fucken bar and grill? How hard is it to go to the gas station. Nothing breaks the mood of a finger up my tuchas than some cretin bumping into the walls, and the other day, he fucken walked in the wrong door, looking to shake the snake. If you must, just say "bathroom" and follow the girl very closely. By the way, the other day one of my faves wanted me to wash my hands and I must say, the bathroom there is as nice as the bathroom at the peninsula.

4. Back door. You enter through the front door on westwood. When done you hotfoot out the back door on missouri. Some asshole almost knocked me over trying to jump out the front entrance cause he was so embarrassed at me seeing him with that homely tall Chinese girl.

5. Masks. Do not wear one. Every guy I see in the place wears a mask in the hallway or going out to the can. The girls here are all vaccinated, and the sanitation protocol in which the girl wipes her fingers after inserting them knuckle deep in the previous monger is exemplary.

6. Water. The girls are offering water at the end less and less now. Adamantly decline that, and the stupid finger candies they give you.

7. Bed set up. You remove that ridiculous bed set up and throw it on the couch.

8. Towel over the window. I tell the girls that it is too bright and they put a towel over the window. I think that tips off mamasan that a serious ass fingering session is afoot and under no circumstances is she to interrupt.

9. PM me if you get full service. I badly want to fuck a girl in this place and I bring some party hats, but they find me pretty disgusting. If it happens I want to know.

10. Review sites. They read the review sites. Not this one, but you know which one.

[QUOTE=PriscillaM;5341689]1. Learn the line up. Like I said, there are four girls now who are worth it. The other day, some fucken asshole came in and did not want what was offered, so he asked for another girl and mentioned a name of someone who was not there. The mamasan said I bring you someone else. This monger then fuken says "I am not trying to give you a hard time" - and you know this was just a few days after the calamity in atlanta. So, if you are going to be picky, do not do it when you are there and make everyone, including me with a finger up my ass, nervous as a figueroa hooker at a policman's fraternal union social. And.

2. Call ahead. As they said in slingblace, use the fucken phone. You can call ahead and when the girl says "golda finger massageee" you ask for a name roll call. She will say we have five girls. Ask if the desire girl is there.

3. Shitter. If I hear one more fucko coming in and asking "can I use the bathroom, is there one here in the back because I have been out all day drinking and I have to drain the main vein" I will plug the fucken toilet. I have done so at strip clubs before as retaliation. First off, go to the bathroom before. Where are you guys coming from, a fucken bar and grill? How hard is it to go to the gas station. Nothing breaks the mood of a finger up my tuchas than some cretin bumping into the walls, and the other day, he fucken walked in the wrong door, looking to shake the snake. If you must, just say "bathroom" and follow the girl very closely. By the way, the other day one of my faves wanted me to wash my hands and I must say, the bathroom there is as nice as the bathroom at the peninsula.

4. Back door. You enter through the front door on westwood. When done you hotfoot out the back door on missouri. Some asshole almost knocked me over trying to jump out the front entrance cause he was so embarrassed at me seeing him with that homely tall Chinese girl.

5. Masks. Do not wear one. Every guy I see in the place wears a mask in the hallway or going out to the can. The girls here are all vaccinated, and the sanitation protocol in which the girl wipes her fingers after inserting them knuckle deep in the previous monger is exemplary.

6. Water. The girls are offering water at the end less and less now. Adamantly decline that, and the stupid finger candies they give you.

7. Bed set up. You remove that ridiculous bed set up and throw it on the couch.

8. Towel over the window. I tell the girls that it is too bright and they put a towel over the window. I think that tips off mamasan that a serious ass fingering session is afoot and under no circumstances is she to interrupt.

9. PM me if you get full service. I badly want to fuck a girl in this place and I bring some party hats, but they find me pretty disgusting. If it happens I want to know.

10. Review sites. They read the review sites. Not this one, but you know which one.[/QUOTE]Hey Prescilla, can you enlighten me on the rates for goldfinger, and maybe some names of the girls who are attractive please.

I went there maybe in March this year and I got a decent looking girl on a Tuesday night, I forgot her name but I paid maybe 80 bucks for a HJ, I felt it was overpriced but I just want to get an idea.

I may be traveling to LA later this summer on business and was hoping someone could help me find someone. A few years ago when I was in KC I met a girl named Sarah who showed me a good time. Unfortunately her shop was busted and rumor is she moved back to LA. She is the first girl in the link below. Anyone know where she went?

[URL]https://bodyrubindex.com/large/kc/626-210-7326/6/137770?img=5[/URL]

I've been a couple of times before this last visit just over a week ago. First time I got a HJ and the second time I didn't get much more than being allowed to rub the girl between her legs with the pants on.

This last time was a lot better but a bit pricy.

I was hoping the girl that welcomed me wouldn't be the girl I got because with a mask on it looked like she was 50+ with lots of make up. I asked for 45 min and she asked if I wanted hard or soft, I said soft and this time I didn't try and touch her while I was face down. I requested she'd use oil and she gave me a very erotic massage and got right in there in my butt with her fingers, not actually going in, but she also asked if it was ok. She touched my balls a bit and on the flip before she touched my dick she asked if it was ok, and I said yes, how much? She said 60 and I said (whispering in her ear) can you give me a BJ, she didn't seem to understand so I put my finger in my mouth to show her what I meant. She nodded and said 130.

I said ok and paid her. She took her mask off and that's when I realized she was probably in her late 30's and she was actually ok looking, she smiled a lot. She then massaged my dick until got hard and then started licking it and licked my balls and stuff and then started sucking. She did a pretty good job and then I came in her mouth she kept sucking until I was completely drained, then she took it out and looked at me with her mouth closed, clearly full of cum and smiled. She put her mask back on and went away for a minute, she came back and cleaned me up with a wet towel. Gave me a little more massage and then asked if that was good, I said yes and she thanked me and put on a big smile and fist bumped me before she left the room. She said her name was Sofia. I will repeat, even though it was a bit expensive.

[QUOTE=Ashtonian;5342215]Hey Prescilla, can you enlighten me on the rates for goldfinger, and maybe some names of the girls who are attractive please.

I went there maybe in March this year and I got a decent looking girl on a Tuesday night, I forgot her name but I paid maybe 80 bucks for a HJ, I felt it was overpriced but I just want to get an idea.[/QUOTE]I think the days of the 40 dollar tip is over boyos. Look, when bernanke and paulson come to Bush and say we need 800 billion to re-equitize the banks or there will not be an economy in 72 hours, I get it. Bush is a fiduciary and he is entitled to listen to the experts, once. But when M1 money supply goes from 1. 4 trillion to 4. 2 trillion in the space of like 8 years, something is fucked. It is not possible that on the eve of the pandemic, 3 of every 4 dollars in circulation was printed in the last decade. I think the only reason for no inflation is the ability of the economy to produce goods to meet the demand. So when people dumped housing in 2008 and wanted their cash, the govmint just backstopped every thing. And it worked, kind of.

Well, what happens when you have a ton of money (look at what M1 has done since covid. Although alot of that is transition from M2 type funds) sloshing around, and there is a disruption in supply because a lot of low iq low vitamin d fat people could not breathe? You get serious inflation. It is like the oil shocks in the 1970's, as well as crippling fiscal policy that taxed the supply side at like 70%.

So, inflation is here, in orange juice, gas, copper, and asian handjobs.

At gold (brown) finger, I tip 60 if it is a weak show. If the girl shows me some skin it goes to 80, if she lets me suck on her tits and finger her, it is 100. That is in addition to the 50 dollar door for the hour.

I see reports of guys haggling between 60 and 80. As you may know, I am no white knight of any prostitute, but really - 20 bucks is basically two lunches at chipotle. If you can't skip lunch for two days and just have water and some frozen veggies, then I question your priorities. A finger up your boy pussy from a happy asian female is worth it.

[QUOTE=BSinTo;5338371]Tina in Encino, if she's accepting new clients? She'll treat you right if you tip her well. She'll go deep and finish with an excellent massage. She's super busy so you'll need to book a couple days in advance, but she's worth the drive.[/QUOTE]As far as I know, she's always taking new clients. First time I ever saw her was during the pandemic and I had no problem making the appointment. I even saw her same day too! That's been the only time I've ever been able to book same day, so it's good advice to book early. Worth it, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=RGarcia123;5341607]Anyone been recently? Friend rec'd Alexa but when I called mamasan didn't understand me. Any reviews or recs would be great.[/QUOTE]That mamasan's english skills are atrocious. But she must have a cesium motion atomic clock back there, because if you so much as get near your time, the queen's english warns you that you are going over.

So I posted that there is a new gal at the temple of hand jobs (aka temple of bliss).

Seta Devi is her handle (it was another name, but they had to change it for pretty obvious reasons).

I figure I would try to book her today.

I called and she was taken for the entire day.

You guys take and never give.

[QUOTE=Pahittare;5342705]I've been a couple of times before this last visit just over a week ago. First time I got a HJ and the second time I didn't get much more than being allowed to rub the girl between her legs with the pants on.

This last time was a lot better but a bit pricy.

I was hoping the girl that welcomed me wouldn't be the girl I got because with a mask on it looked like she was 50+ with lots of make up. I asked for 45 min and she asked if I wanted hard or soft, I said soft and this time I didn't try and touch her while I was face down. I requested she'd use oil and she gave me a very erotic massage and got right in there in my butt with her fingers, not actually going in, but she also asked if it was ok. She touched my balls a bit and on the flip before she touched my dick she asked if it was ok, and I said yes, how much? She said 60 and I said (whispering in her ear) can you give me a BJ, she didn't seem to understand so I put my finger in my mouth to show her what I meant. She nodded and said 130.

I said ok and paid her. She took her mask off and that's when I realized she was probably in her late 30's and she was actually ok looking, she smiled a lot. She then massaged my dick until got hard and then started licking it and licked my balls and stuff and then started sucking. She did a pretty good job and then I came in her mouth she kept sucking until I was completely drained, then she took it out and looked at me with her mouth closed, clearly full of cum and smiled. She put her mask back on and went away for a minute, she came back and cleaned me up with a wet towel. Gave me a little more massage and then asked if that was good, I said yes and she thanked me and put on a big smile and fist bumped me before she left the room. She said her name was Sofia. I will repeat, even though it was a bit expensive.[/QUOTE]A buck 30 for a blow job? Are you friggin kidding me? FS in most places is $100 to $120. You just gave this hoe a new basement price.

[QUOTE=Domino727;5343037]A buck 30 for a blow job? Are you friggin kidding me? FS in most places is $100 to $120. You just gave this hoe a new basement price.[/QUOTE]This place looks like an al Qaeda bunker. It is next to the place I get my vons uniform pressed and cleaned. The idea that there is a female there under 40 giving head is as real as the lunar landing. If he got bare back head, 130 does not bother me, but it is the idea that it is a nonsense place with grannies and now I am going on a fucken mission that I know will end up in me having to walk out if they give me some 36-40 Asian woman.

[QUOTE=Domino727;5343037]A buck 30 for a blow job? Are you friggin kidding me? FS in most places is $100 to $120. You just gave this hoe a new basement price.[/QUOTE]If the licensing legislation goes through, that may be the standard, IF you can find a place willing. I travel to the states with mandated licensing and they are DRY. But if you can find a HE spot it's usually. 7 ATD and then. 6-. 8 for a HJ. Really hoping the morality cops in city hall leaves this alone.

[QUOTE=PlayerN818;5343493]If the licensing legislation goes through, that may be the standard, IF you can find a place willing. I travel to the states with mandated licensing and they are DRY. But if you can find a HE spot it's usually. 7 ATD and then. 6-. 8 for a HJ. Really hoping the morality cops in city hall leaves this alone.[/QUOTE]How would licensing legislation affect the price of Asian rub and tug? I think almost all the places I have seen have the certification up, how much harder is it to get a license?

[QUOTE=PlayerN818;5343493]If the licensing legislation goes through, that may be the standard, IF you can find a place willing. I travel to the states with mandated licensing and they are DRY. But if you can find a HE spot it's usually. 7 ATD and then. 6-. 8 for a HJ. Really hoping the morality cops in city hall leaves this alone.[/QUOTE]It's complicated, so bear with me. California doesn't have a license, it has a certification. What's the difference? A license is mandatory, a certification is not. The mentality in the state has always been to leave regulation and enforcement of massage businesses up to the individual cities. Some cities require the certification to practice within their city limits, some do not.

That explains why you see a bunch of MPs clustered in cities like Downey, but drive a few miles down the road and find none at all.

Now, consider Downey. They obviously do not require the certificate. They have their own city administered "massage license" which is quite easy to get. And, they know full well what goes on inside the massage parlors there. At last count there were 6 of them in Downey, and most of them have been around for 30+ years. As long as they aren't deemed a public nuisance and getting a lot of complaints, what happens in there is controlled. They know if they bust them it's like playing whack-a-mole. It will just pop up elsewhere and possibly in a place that's harder to control, like cheap motels.

Going forward, the state legislature wants licensing, and the industry wants licensing. But they don't want it controlled by bureaucrats. We already deal with that on the esthetics side and it's a gigantic pain in the ass. The bill that's on the assembly floor right now is pushing for licensing. The bill that established the certification has expired. We (the industry) want to give the certification a 2-year extension to allow us to work with the lawmakers to establish something more mutually beneficial.

So. It's only a matter of time. Increased regulation is going to happen, if not this year then a couple years from now. It may be a license, or it may be a requirement that all cities statewide mandate the certification. Either way, it will make things a lot harder for MPs.

That being said, the state doesn't seem to have much appetite for enforcement at that level. They want to impose the restrictions and leave enforcement up to cities. So I predict that certain cities will still be hotspots for MPs. Some current hotspots may dry up though.

Right now, the state recognizes roughly 350 massage schools. Some of those are pretty crappy schools with pretty poor curriculum and little to no oversight. The agency that administers certifications only recognizes about 75 of those schools, the ones that meet their minimum curriculum criteria, similar to what universities do for accreditation. It is entirely possible that the state implements a licensing structure and keeps their full list of 350 schools. That would leave an opening for people practicing at the "hobby" massage parlors to pretty easily receive a license and continue business as usual. If the current bill pushes through the way it's written, that's exactly what will happen - you won't see much change if any at all. But what is more likely is the decision to go to licensure gets delayed 2 years and something more restrictive takes its place during the next round of negotiations with the legislature.

Bottom line is almost all states have MPs. Some of them suck and some are just as good as or better than here. Phoenix for example - Arizona is a state with a massage license, yet there's MPs all over the place like it's the wild west, and they're no more expensive than here and provide just as good if not better service. So it's not all gloom and doom, but expect to see some sort of landscape change, however that plays out. My prediction is certain cities kicking MPs out and certain other cities continuing to not give a crap as long as they remain mostly under the radar.

[QUOTE=Pahittare;5342705]I've been a couple of times before this last visit just over a week ago. First time I got a HJ and the second time I didn't get much more than being allowed to rub the girl between her legs with the pants on.

This last time was a lot better but a bit pricy.

I was hoping the girl that welcomed me wouldn't be the girl I got because with a mask on it looked like she was 50+ with lots of make up. I asked for 45 min and she asked if I wanted hard or soft, I said soft and this time I didn't try and touch her while I was face down. I requested she'd use oil and she gave me a very erotic massage and got right in there in my butt with her fingers, not actually going in, but she also asked if it was ok. She touched my balls a bit and on the flip before she touched my dick she asked if it was ok, and I said yes, how much? She said 60 and I said (whispering in her ear) can you give me a BJ, she didn't seem to understand so I put my finger in my mouth to show her what I meant. She nodded and said 130.

I said ok and paid her. She took her mask off and that's when I realized she was probably in her late 30's and she was actually ok looking, she smiled a lot. She then massaged my dick until got hard and then started licking it and licked my balls and stuff and then started sucking. She did a pretty good job and then I came in her mouth she kept sucking until I was completely drained, then she took it out and looked at me with her mouth closed, clearly full of cum and smiled. She put her mask back on and went away for a minute, she came back and cleaned me up with a wet towel. Gave me a little more massage and then asked if that was good, I said yes and she thanked me and put on a big smile and fist bumped me before she left the room. She said her name was Sofia. I will repeat, even though it was a bit expensive.[/QUOTE]I went to Blu sky a while back, wasn't that the place some one posted had cute young girls and it turned out to be all ugly GILFS.

I am wear of your review LOL.

I am totally with you on this one. I was seeing a LMT who fell in love with me. She would spend two hours working on me then we would make love for an hour or more. Traveled with me a bit. I will miss her forever. Was the only time someone really went out of their way for me.

[QUOTE=SkyRyder;5329177]My "holy grail" as it where is to spend a couple of hours with an attractive lady that knows the power of her touch, and enjoys using it to soothe my body and bring me to a heightened state of arousal through her massage. It begins slowly with a genuine soothing massage, and slowly but is constantly increasing the sensuality quotient throughout the session. The last 30-45 minutes is a full on lovemaking session that is fully engaged by both of us. Okay, when your laughter has subsided, yes I know the chances of obtaining this type of session are astronomical and the cost would likely equal the size of the odds. I have had this happen with two different ladies, one in Thailand (multiple times over a 2 week vacation), the other in mainland China (I saw this lady for the better part of 18 months, twice a month at least). I have never achieved it in the USA. I visit the shops many of us use, and have reasonable expectations. On occasion I just want to get a nice soothing massage and if something extra occurs on any level it is a bonus. I have found that I enjoy the ladies that are sole proprietors of their own shop. Over the last couple of years, I have used a website that has yielded some good results. So there is no confusion this is NOT a place to find massage with any extras. The reason I use use it is because when I go to a new city, I can usually find a good massage at a reasonable price, either outcall or incall at a decent location. When I make the appointment I go with no expectation of anything more than a massage. The ladies are well aware if you are receptive to any extras, and most of the time, it is obvious on the flip, even without "provocation". I have a success rate when I ask if they would consider any extras of about 40% or a bit less. Many times I don't ask, because it is clear the answer would be a resounding "NO", and I don't want to ruin the vibe I've got going. Only once has it gone further than L1, and that was the third visit in a week. I schedule to be her last appointment of the day when I am in her city and take a bottle of Champagne and it last 2-3 hours and is just wonderful. The only reason I even brought this up, is as you might expect LA has a lot of massage therapists and who knows, one of you may find something you enjoy more than a quick visit to you favorite AMP on occasion. The larger cities tend to have a better selection and I did use two of the providers in LA this past weekend because I was too lazy to leave my hotel one day. I laughed because both of them had profile photos that where at least 10 years and 25 lbs. Ago. That is the first time I have encountered photos of the gals that were significantly different than the "real thing". One of the gals, just said she didn't provide extras and the other was keen to do it, but was way to proud of her abilities. She was taken back, when I said no, at that price I'll wait until you leave and do it myself, I have to shower either way. LOL Sorry for the ramble, the website is Massage Anywhere. I am sure you can find it. I hope someone finds it useful.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ashtonian;5342215]Hey Prescilla, can you enlighten me on the rates for goldfinger, and maybe some names of the girls who are attractive please.

I went there maybe in March this year and I got a decent looking girl on a Tuesday night, I forgot her name but I paid maybe 80 bucks for a HJ, I felt it was overpriced but I just want to get an idea.[/QUOTE]I have been to Goldfinger 4 or 5 times over the past 2-3 years. I went there because it's close to where I live. I didn't like it much because I also found it overpriced most of the time. It's like a restaurant that doesn't refill your soda for free. Once I settled on an HJ for. 6 but the girl (forgot her name) asked for. 2 more to take off her clothes. She had an awesome body though. Then she AGAIN asked. 2 more to let me suck her boobs. She had this perky nipples and I couldn't help but agree to her demands. I ended up paying one full $ for a handy. I regretted it the second I released myself over her hands with her left nip in my mouth.

The experience was much better this last time. I didn't have to haggle and the girl (who could barely speak any English) let me enjoy a lot. Good HJ. Only. 6 tips. Unfortunately I don't remember who that skinny Chinese girl in her 20's was. Some monger was waiting in another room and so she asked me to tip her before me getting dressed. Once I exited the room, mama asked me to give her the tip. She didn't know I had already paid the girl. Mama blocked my way and started calling her loudly in Chinese. I was temporarily detained. That skinny girl came out of her session in a few minutes and profusely apologized. Mama released me from detainment. I was on my way with a bottle of water and a white candy with a stick in it (no, not a stick with white candy in it).

Very good info, well written. Thanks. I was thinking specifically of Oregon. Even in their more populated cities such as Salem, Portland, Eugene, hobby MP are far and few with the prices I quoted in my OP. Hopefully, a compromise will allow the politicians to be able to appease the Magical Skyman followers and leave the rest of us alone.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5344000]It's complicated, so bear with me. California doesn't have a license, it has a certification. What's the difference? A license is mandatory, a certification is not. The mentality in the state has always been to leave regulation and enforcement of massage businesses up to the individual cities. Some cities require the certification to practice within their city limits, some do not.

That explains why you see a bunch of MPs clustered in cities like Downey, but drive a few miles down the road and find none at all.

Now, consider Downey. They obviously do not require the certificate. They have their own city administered "massage license" which is quite easy to get. And, they know full well what goes on inside the massage parlors there. At last count there were 6 of them in Downey, and most of them have been around for 30+ years. As long as they aren't deemed a public nuisance and getting a lot of complaints, what happens in there is controlled. They know if they bust them it's like playing whack-a-mole. It will just pop up elsewhere and possibly in a place that's harder to control, like cheap motels.

Going forward, the state legislature wants licensing, and the industry wants licensing. But they don't want it controlled by bureaucrats. We already deal with that on the esthetics side and it's a gigantic pain in the ass. The bill that's on the assembly floor right now is pushing for licensing. The bill that established the certification has expired. We (the industry) want to give the certification a 2-year extension to allow us to work with the lawmakers to establish something more mutually beneficial.

So. It's only a matter of time. Increased regulation is going to happen, if not this year then a couple years from now. It may be a license, or it may be a requirement that all cities statewide mandate the certification. Either way, it will make things a lot harder for MPs.

That being said, the state doesn't seem to have much appetite for enforcement at that level. They want to impose the restrictions and leave enforcement up to cities. So I predict that certain cities will still be hotspots for MPs. Some current hotspots may dry up though.

Right now, the state recognizes roughly 350 massage schools. Some of those are pretty crappy schools with pretty poor curriculum and little to no oversight. The agency that administers certifications only recognizes about 75 of those schools, the ones that meet their minimum curriculum criteria, similar to what universities do for accreditation. It is entirely possible that the state implements a licensing structure and keeps their full list of 350 schools. That would leave an opening for people practicing at the "hobby" massage parlors to pretty easily receive a license and continue business as usual. If the current bill pushes through the way it's written, that's exactly what will happen - you won't see much change if any at all. But what is more likely is the decision to go to licensure gets delayed 2 years and something more restrictive takes its place during the next round of negotiations with the legislature.

Bottom line is almost all states have MPs. Some of them suck and some are just as good as or better than here. Phoenix for example - Arizona is a state with a massage license, yet there's MPs all over the place like it's the wild west, and they're no more expensive than here and provide just as good if not better service. So it's not all gloom and doom, but expect to see some sort of landscape change, however that plays out. My prediction is certain cities kicking MPs out and certain other cities continuing to not give a crap as long as they remain mostly under the radar.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ashtonian;5344341]I went to Blu sky a while back, wasn't that the place some one posted had cute young girls and it turned out to be all ugly GILFS.

I am wear of your review LOL.[/QUOTE]Yeah I've seen some pretty old women there and walked out a few times. I guess I was lucky this time.

There was a new girl Sati Devi at the Temple. Here was the cached page.

[URL]https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Off-7MlDYVsJ:https://templeofbliss.com/therapists/sati-devi/[/URL]+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us.

But after a week or so, she is no longer there. Anyone know where she went?

[QUOTE=Falernum;5353752]There was a new girl Sati Devi at the Temple. Here was the cached page.

[URL]https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Off-7MlDYVsJ:https://templeofbliss.com/therapists/sati-devi/[/URL]+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us.

But after a week or so, she is no longer there. Anyone know where she went?[/QUOTE]I think she is working at sacred Zen suites.

[QUOTE=Faren451;5303454]Angel Spa? Nothing to checkout here. I live close by and have been here at least 10 times always hoping for some young provider to show up. The shop has been sold twice already. Always a single 45-55 year old lady who hates her life. Nikki was there a couple days a week (not sure if she is even there with new ownership) is Yoyo from Lux Spa Pasadena and her service has gone way down. Always rushed. Will only do 30 min or promise one hour, then change to 30 once the phone starts ringing. Unfortunately there are no good options in this area. Pasadena Day Spa, King Spa (awful) are legit places. Green Spa (Huntington Dr) was also sold to some guy who has one Spanish girl working there and it's strictly legit. Currently closed. The place on Eastern and Huntington (next to closed Pho) is shut down (also sold twice) and there is one other place on Huntington Dr south that is also legit spa (one grandma there). Am I missing something in this area?[/QUOTE]I would like to delete everything I just wrote above. There is new ownership. All new girls. Everyone is attractive to just hot. Usually two girls working there now. Tried these ones:

Angie: Korean, manager I think. Older than the others (35 ish), still very attractive and great sensual massage skills.

Angela: Super hot, can't be over 27 even for an Asian, could be 23, cleavage hanging out of dress when you walk in, but doesn't speak a lick of English and can't massage at all. Very hot though, did I mention that?

Coco also really hot. Great English, great but, legs, can't massage though. She's a student. Could be 25-27.

Wendy is the best (then Angie). Hot, great skills and good English. Only there Tues. Late 20's? No way she's older.

Few other young girls they are trying in the rotation so you might get lucky. Good luck.

I'll be travelling to Long Beach / Torrence in a few weeks and I'm leaning on some generous soul out there to point me in the right direction. I'll only be there for one night, so not a lot of room for error. I prefer young Caucasian. Money isn't an issue. Whats up with sacred zen spa? Can someone point me towards a known reliable provider? Thanks, happy to return the favor if ever in KY or OH.

Should've done my homework but I was driving by and you know. Anyway, totally legit 30 minute session for $50 with a weak legit massage from an older lady. Seems like from what I read that it's generally grannyville there, anyone know different?

[QUOTE=LTC502;5358196]I'll be travelling to Long Beach / Torrence in a few weeks and I'm leaning on some generous soul out there to point me in the right direction. I'll only be there for one night, so not a lot of room for error. I prefer young Caucasian. Money isn't an issue. Whats up with sacred zen spa? Can someone point me towards a known reliable provider? Thanks, happy to return the favor if ever in KY or OH.[/QUOTE]Tried there twice, decent white / Latina girls, easily getting naked and has shower after you're done. Needs appointment these days it seems.