Massage Parlor Reports

Did the girls get any younger? Or are we still pulling the left overs?

[QUOTE=Normal Guy; 1194348]Great place. Very well cared for and satisfied.

8204 Crystal Clear Lane.

Norm[/QUOTE]

So I TOFTT at Sunshine Massage on 434 last night. I've honestly never had a more homely-looking masseuse in my life. Most of the massage was walking on the back. The massage was not very good-kind of pinching. There were extras to be had, but I wasn't having ANY. Left unsatisfied.

Fg

Saw Joan again today and just when I thought I knew what I was getting into. Wrong it turns out she's even better then last time. Will repeat mongers treat her right she is one hell of a lady. Rally out

[QUOTE=Seminole John; 1194292]Alright the last comment in my previous report was uncalled for. In any case going back to my first post on this matter my point was we don't know and that correlation is not the same as causation (I. E. My rooster crows every morning before sunrise. 100% correlation. Does that mean my rooster crowing causes the sun to come up?)

VS you have been a valuable member of this board for a long time and provided invalluable information to many people including me. That being said I think the condesending manner in which you address opinions that differ from yours is uncalled and does not advance the purpose of having the forum.

We can disagree without being disagreeable. [/QUOTE]Are you saying if you have no COCk, the sun won't rise? LOL

Paid a visit to far orient on orange av.

Paid the house fee, nice massage and on the flip the Chinese girl started asking for extra for what is standard at other AMP's and more for the rest!

I declined and said "see ya"" would not repeat! It used to be a good spot in the past with the Koreans's

[QUOTE=VerySlowly;1194839]Are you saying if you have no COCk, the sun won't rise? LOL[/QUOTE]So your response to SJ is to mock? He was asking you to be civil, to state your opinion and state the facts. Your response is to mock him? Is it not possible to act like adults here? Please, can we all not get along?

[QUOTE=Sillyolman;1194939]So your response to SJ is to mock? He was asking you to be civil, to state your opinion and state the facts. Your response is to mock him? Is it not possible to act like adults here? Please, can we all not get along?[/QUOTE]LOL means Laugh out loud.

You really named yourself well-VS

The best way for a lousy place to go away is to not do business there.

Reasons for Boycott:

1. Self-service: no real stress relief.

2. Non-inclusive pricing: lowball pricing does not include TS. You pay extra for that.

3. Strongly suspect that they turned in their A++ competition (Ocean Spa) for not being 100% licensed.

4. Counterfeiting: They have signs in their massage rooms that say tips are welcome. It includes a photocopy of a $100 USA legal bank note (a Federal offense). Someone should call the US Secret Service on them.

Options to go to instead of this place and my grade: fairly close.

1. Golden Tiger: A- (OBT and Deerfield)

2. That place at I-Drive and Kirkman: B.

Let's all avoid Oriental Massage and make them pay for their evil doing. Be safe.

I don't believe I have seen a request here before to actually "Boycott" a business. However, I would like to add that I LIKE IT! Even though there is no proof about OS it is much to coincidental! Maybe by doing this the other establishments may get the message that we do expect the services that we want and why we went there.

It will be interesting to see if this works, I for one will be joining the boycott.

[QUOTE=Gentleman 100; 1195303]The best way for a lousy place to go away is to not do business there.

Reasons for Boycott:

1. Self-service: no real stress relief.

2. Non-inclusive pricing: lowball pricing does not include TS. You pay extra for that.

3. Strongly suspect that they turned in their A++ competition (Ocean Spa) for not being 100% licensed.

4. Counterfeiting: They have signs in their massage rooms that say tips are welcome. It includes a photocopy of a $100 USA legal bank note (a Federal offense). Someone should call the US Secret Service on them.

Options to go to instead of this place and my grade: fairly close.

1. Golden Tiger: A- (OBT and Deerfield)

2. That place at I-Drive and Kirkman: B.

Let's all avoid Oriental Massage and make them pay for their evil doing. Be safe. [/QUOTE]

Not one to let the Ocean / TR saga die, I add my $0. 02:

I posted this on April 6th after a visit to TR:

"They're a little crazy with their offers after about 3 minutes with a 1st time visitor to their place and I would expect them to have a long-term "Out to Lunch" sign in the window before long using this business model."

It didn't take a great seer or prophet to come up with this but just someone who's been at this game for a long time in spite of my newbie posting status here. I frequented AMP's in Tampa enough over the years to see them come and go and the ones that go fast are where the action is just too over the top. The Osaka in Tampa got shut down shortly after the word got out that anything goes. I got to sample the goods there a few times but it had the shelf life of milk once the word got out on the goings on. At another location where I was getting Ocean-type service, two detectives came through the main door as I was exiting my room with a soon-to-go-away smile. They asked the lady I was with for her I'd and one said,"What about him?" and the other said,"He can go." I think I threw away the shorts I was wearing that day but left in a hurry and the lady left the country not too long after.

The point is that I've never seen one of these over the top places last very long. I'm sure it's a combination of things but I don't believe the jealous competition was a primary cause. Cops solve crimes most of the time because someone talks and in this specific case because there seems to be a line on what you can get away with at an AMP. If a customer gets a tit or snatch in their face immediately without asking, you better hurry there and get some because that stuff has a shelf life of about 30 days.

Has anyone checked out the downtown college girls recently? They seemed to have lowered the rates on a consistent basis, but who knows if they still upsell like crazy. The crappy part is the girls look pretty hot in the photos. Yeah some are for sure stolen, but the amateur looking ones are nice.

Oh well, just curious.

I guess I feel compelled to add my 1/2 cents worth (recession valuation). With all the guesswork about why or who dunnit, O / S was a great place that will long live in the lore that is this board. (RIP Boardroom, O / S, the strip club on obt where I got my first lap dance in 1983, etc) Places come and go all the time in this unfortunate business. Rumors and finger pointing will abound, as it has always been a favorite game of mongers young and old. In reality, unlicensed MP is an easy violation for Johnny Law. If everything we say is monitored then why isn't everyone out of business. Reality, LEO still needs to make a case, I. E. Have evidence, call witnesses etc. What we say is hearsay (possible admissions or possible opinions and / or fabrications) , not generally reliable enough to make a case stick in court. So the places that play fast and loose, often go down the fastest. The ones who ease into it, take precautions, usually last longer. (hence the need for this board to help dechipher the code) Regardless of the tipster, (and don't underestimate the possibility of a rival snitch. Money talks and the newest hottest place was taking $ away from someone) the place doesn't close if they don't get caught or have violations, regardless of what we say. If we think the heat is on because of what we say, then we may give ourselves a little too much credit. Discretion is often the better part of valor but the beauty of this board is the info we share about the hobby we love. YMMV, is always true and great advice to everyone, everytime we participate. I could go on, but the horse is long dead and buried on this one.

Greetings. Its been quite a while since I posted and am unfortunately not returning with not much of a report. What I am looking for though is a PM from someone to share some info with me. I am over the Asian places and wondered if someone could share a MT who is white or hispanic that is more off the radar or appears legit. I've seen most of the CL advertisers and am more excited by new encounters then repeats, I am sure some of you understand that. I tried 3 different spas in south Lake County and there was nothing to be had so save your gas money.

Thanks and be safe.MM

I have made it clear in previous posts that I've made some Asian friends over the years in my visits to the AMPs. There are others who post here that have done the same. My friends that I continue to stay in touch with are scattered around the county and still work as therapists with some now also shop owners. These friendships have provided some wonderful benefits of a personal nature but they have also provided a great deal of insight into the business.

We are absolutely a targeting mechanism. Cause and effect. Repeated posts generate specific behavior where the shop / therapist is targeted by two specific groups: 1) a surge of mongers who immediately expect the exact same level of service that was often provided to the poster based on a level of trust accumulated over multiple visits and 2) leo activity, that can take many forms, based on complaints from the general public who read about activity in their neighborhoods here (escorts don't advertise their 'come arrest me here' address so it's a different game – massage parlors do).

It doesn't take insider knowledge to see what happens next. Posting history on this thread spells it out repeatedly. Shop behavior after a lot of chatter here easily validates both of the above posting results as the girls will change their name, or refuse to tell it, to avoid the harassment. You will often also start to be asked if you talk on the computer. Anyone modestly active in the massage game has seen this activity occur many times either directly to ourselves or to others via reading their posts here (see the Ocean reports at the end) throughout the years. This isn't a new phenomenon and it is a behavioral progression that is repeated constantly. If you ask virtually any Asian at an AMP if they want you to talk about them on the computer the answer will be no. As money oriented as they are (and believe me they are incredibly money oriented) , the publicity isn't worth the negative ramifications to them.

I'm a huge advocate of the purpose of this board. It is stupid, however, when our reporting undermines the mission of the board and the readily available posting history on this very thread documents that it does with many examples far beyond Ocean if you bother to be a student of the hobby you are investing your hard-earned coin in. There must a balance between content and serving the need. Too many people report because their ego compels them to do so. Too many others do so without conscious thought as to the outcome of their words.

It is much more fun to report excessively and in detail. Over time it is much less rewarding because it drives good providers away. Many of the recent posts on this saga have been vain attempts to rationalize and justify past actions with the most guilty doing the most vigorous protesting. You aren't going to truly maximize your long term productivity in this game without occasionally engaging in a little honest self-reflection about your actions.

Happy and safe hunting to all.

[QUOTE=Overboard; 1195655]I have made it clear in previous posts that I've made some Asian friends over the years in my visits to the AMPs. There are others who post here that have done the same. My friends that I continue to stay in touch with are scattered around the county and still work as therapists with some now also shop owners. These friendships have provided some wonderful benefits of a personal nature but they have also provided a great deal of insight into the business.

We are absolutely a targeting mechanism. Cause and effect. Repeated posts generate specific behavior where the shop / therapist is targeted by two specific groups: 1) a surge of mongers who immediately expect the exact same level of service that was often provided to the poster based on a level of trust accumulated over multiple visits and 2) leo activity, that can take many forms, based on complaints from the general public who read about activity in their neighborhoods here (escorts don't advertise their 'come arrest me here' address so it's a different game – massage parlors do).

It doesn't take insider knowledge to see what happens next. Posting history on this thread spells it out repeatedly. Shop behavior after a lot of chatter here easily validates both of the above posting results as the girls will change their name, or refuse to tell it, to avoid the harassment. You will often also start to be asked if you talk on the computer. Anyone modestly active in the massage game has seen this activity occur many times either directly to ourselves or to others via reading their posts here (see the Ocean reports at the end) throughout the years. This isn't a new phenomenon and it is a behavioral progression that is repeated constantly. If you ask virtually any Asian at an AMP if they want you to talk about them on the computer the answer will be no. As money oriented as they are (and believe me they are incredibly money oriented) , the publicity isn't worth the negative ramifications to them.

I'm a huge advocate of the purpose of this board. It is stupid, however, when our reporting undermines the mission of the board and the readily available posting history on this very thread documents that it does with many examples far beyond Ocean if you bother to be a student of the hobby you are investing your hard-earned coin in. There must a balance between content and serving the need. Too many people report because their ego compels them to do so. Too many others do so without conscious thought as to the outcome of their words.

It is much more fun to report excessively and in detail. Over time it is much less rewarding because it drives good providers away. Many of the recent posts on this saga have been vain attempts to rationalize and justify past actions with the most guilty doing the most vigorous protesting. You aren't going to truly maximize your long term productivity in this game without occasionally engaging in a little honest self-reflection about your actions.

Happy and safe hunting to all. [/QUOTE]Preach on brother

[QUOTE=Overboard; 1195655]I have made it clear in previous posts that I've made some Asian friends over the years in my visits to the AMPs. There are others who post here that have done the same. My friends that I continue to stay in touch with are scattered around the county and still work as therapists with some now also shop owners. These friendships have provided some wonderful benefits of a personal nature but they have also provided a great deal of insight into the business.

We are absolutely a targeting mechanism. Cause and effect. Repeated posts generate specific behavior where the shop / therapist is targeted by two specific groups: 1) a surge of mongers who immediately expect the exact same level of service that was often provided to the poster based on a level of trust accumulated over multiple visits and 2) leo activity, that can take many forms, based on complaints from the general public who read about activity in their neighborhoods here (escorts don't advertise their 'come arrest me here' address so it's a different game – massage parlors do).

It doesn't take insider knowledge to see what happens next. Posting history on this thread spells it out repeatedly. Shop behavior after a lot of chatter here easily validates both of the above posting results as the girls will change their name, or refuse to tell it, to avoid the harassment. You will often also start to be asked if you talk on the computer. Anyone modestly active in the massage game has seen this activity occur many times either directly to ourselves or to others via reading their posts here (see the Ocean reports at the end) throughout the years. This isn't a new phenomenon and it is a behavioral progression that is repeated constantly. If you ask virtually any Asian at an AMP if they want you to talk about them on the computer the answer will be no. As money oriented as they are (and believe me they are incredibly money oriented) , the publicity isn't worth the negative ramifications to them.

I'm a huge advocate of the purpose of this board. It is stupid, however, when our reporting undermines the mission of the board and the readily available posting history on this very thread documents that it does with many examples far beyond Ocean if you bother to be a student of the hobby you are investing your hard-earned coin in. There must a balance between content and serving the need. Too many people report because their ego compels them to do so. Too many others do so without conscious thought as to the outcome of their words.

It is much more fun to report excessively and in detail. Over time it is much less rewarding because it drives good providers away. Many of the recent posts on this saga have been vain attempts to rationalize and justify past actions with the most guilty doing the most vigorous protesting. You aren't going to truly maximize your long term productivity in this game without occasionally engaging in a little honest self-reflection about your actions.

Happy and safe hunting to all. [/QUOTE]Well written, reasonable tone, informative, not overly emotional or judgemental. And on top of it, probably pretty darn accurate. This is no place for you! .

Thank you!

[QUOTE=Ftguy68; 1195447]Has anyone checked out the downtown college girls recently? They seemed to have lowered the rates on a consistent basis, but who knows if they still upsell like crazy. The crappy part is the girls look pretty hot in the photos. Yeah some are for sure stolen, but the amateur looking ones are nice.

Oh well, just curious.[/QUOTE]I have. IMHO they have improved. The upsell isn't so prevalent. Massage still just an excuse for a massage, but the girls (or at least many of them) are pretty darn hot, young and eager to please. This is just the way I like them. Not afraid to show a little flesh and more than a memorable shake to finish off the festivities. I worry that they are too high profile though, which keeps me away most of the time. I'm looking for one of the MT ladies out there that flies under the radar.

Could not of said it any better.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Overboard; 1195655]I have made it clear in previous posts that I've made some Asian friends over the years in my visits to the AMPs. There are others who post here that have done the same. My friends that I continue to stay in touch with are scattered around the county and still work as therapists with some now also shop owners. These friendships have provided some wonderful benefits of a personal nature but they have also provided a great deal of insight into the business.

We are absolutely a targeting mechanism. Cause and effect. Repeated posts generate specific behavior where the shop / therapist is targeted by two specific groups: 1) a surge of mongers who immediately expect the exact same level of service that was often provided to the poster based on a level of trust accumulated over multiple visits and 2) leo activity, that can take many forms, based on complaints from the general public who read about activity in their neighborhoods here (escorts don't advertise their 'come arrest me here' address so it's a different game – massage parlors do).

It doesn't take insider knowledge to see what happens next. Posting history on this thread spells it out repeatedly. Shop behavior after a lot of chatter here easily validates both of the above posting results as the girls will change their name, or refuse to tell it, to avoid the harassment. You will often also start to be asked if you talk on the computer. Anyone modestly active in the massage game has seen this activity occur many times either directly to ourselves or to others via reading their posts here (see the Ocean reports at the end) throughout the years. This isn't a new phenomenon and it is a behavioral progression that is repeated constantly. If you ask virtually any Asian at an AMP if they want you to talk about them on the computer the answer will be no. As money oriented as they are (and believe me they are incredibly money oriented) , the publicity isn't worth the negative ramifications to them.

I'm a huge advocate of the purpose of this board. It is stupid, however, when our reporting undermines the mission of the board and the readily available posting history on this very thread documents that it does with many examples far beyond Ocean if you bother to be a student of the hobby you are investing your hard-earned coin in. There must a balance between content and serving the need. Too many people report because their ego compels them to do so. Too many others do so without conscious thought as to the outcome of their words.

It is much more fun to report excessively and in detail. Over time it is much less rewarding because it drives good providers away. Many of the recent posts on this saga have been vain attempts to rationalize and justify past actions with the most guilty doing the most vigorous protesting. You aren't going to truly maximize your long term productivity in this game without occasionally engaging in a little honest self-reflection about your actions.

Happy and safe hunting to all. [/QUOTE]

Overboard your comments are well written and inspiration for further thought. I must admit I had never considered the aspect of the effect on the girls / AMPs which may be a reason in itself to revise posting habits.

That being said we will have to agree to disagree LEO elements. In 30 years of business I learned not to trust anecdotes but to put my faith in Dr. Demming and the data. That has served me well in professional life and I try to apply that to all aspects of my life. I just don't see the data to say post on here initiate LEO action. As Lawdog (dude you really need to change that handle) pointed out there are counta examples. There are places where FS is available that have been reviewed on here and have operated for years withouut problems. There is a little snippet of eastern philosophy that is thrown into any movie witha scene in Asia,"The nail that sticks out gets hammered." OS stuck out. They operated in a way that drew attention to themselves and paid the price. I am quite certain their days would have been numbered even if there were no post about them on this forum. Let's not blame people here for a business that operated recklessly getting caught.

[QUOTE=Overboard; 1195655]I have made it clear in previous posts that I've made some Asian friends over the years in my visits to the AMPs. There are others who post here that have done the same. My friends that I continue to stay in touch with are scattered around the county and still work as therapists with some now also shop owners. These friendships have provided some wonderful benefits of a personal nature but they have also provided a great deal of insight into the business.

We are absolutely a targeting mechanism. Cause and effect. Repeated posts generate specific behavior where the shop / therapist is targeted by two specific groups: 1) a surge of mongers who immediately expect the exact same level of service that was often provided to the poster based on a level of trust accumulated over multiple visits and 2) leo activity, that can take many forms, based on complaints from the general public who read about activity in their neighborhoods here (escorts don't advertise their 'come arrest me here' address so it's a different game – massage parlors do).

It doesn't take insider knowledge to see what happens next. Posting history on this thread spells it out repeatedly. Shop behavior after a lot of chatter here easily validates both of the above posting results as the girls will change their name, or refuse to tell it, to avoid the harassment. You will often also start to be asked if you talk on the computer. Anyone modestly active in the massage game has seen this activity occur many times either directly to ourselves or to others via reading their posts here (see the Ocean reports at the end) throughout the years. This isn't a new phenomenon and it is a behavioral progression that is repeated constantly. If you ask virtually any Asian at an AMP if they want you to talk about them on the computer the answer will be no. As money oriented as they are (and believe me they are incredibly money oriented) , the publicity isn't worth the negative ramifications to them.

I'm a huge advocate of the purpose of this board. It is stupid, however, when our reporting undermines the mission of the board and the readily available posting history on this very thread documents that it does with many examples far beyond Ocean if you bother to be a student of the hobby you are investing your hard-earned coin in. There must a balance between content and serving the need. Too many people report because their ego compels them to do so. Too many others do so without conscious thought as to the outcome of their words.

It is much more fun to report excessively and in detail. Over time it is much less rewarding because it drives good providers away. Many of the recent posts on this saga have been vain attempts to rationalize and justify past actions with the most guilty doing the most vigorous protesting. You aren't going to truly maximize your long term productivity in this game without occasionally engaging in a little honest self-reflection about your actions.

Happy and safe hunting to all. [/QUOTE]

Excellent post!

Some seem to seek extensive data, I stand back and look at the results, as in "Occams Razor" where Occam postulates that the simplest answer is the correct one.

"Scientists must use the simplest means of arriving at their results and exclude

Everything not perceived by the senses."

"When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."

So when you have a message board that spews lots of data, LE now has a source of information, there is no other common source of this data, as this information is not commonly spoken of in polite company. LE knows that MP prostitution is difficult to prove but that improper or no license or Fire inspection or Health Dept. Inspection violations are sufficient to solve the problem, even if it is temporary. Since LE has read this " Anecdotal" information repeatedly, Occam says that only an idiot would go to extremes (a big investigation) to achieve the goal of closing the den of inequity when the straight line will achieve the goal. (Simplest answer).

Anyone who looks for complicated answers to simple problems is simply making their thought process more difficult and is in denial of reality. LE operates on a rather simple hypothesis. If it quacks like a duck it is a duck, it might be Gilbert Godfried but if they screw up and their wrong nothing happens to them at all-so why not! Bliss is a good example. Raid+Arrest=Prosecutor has no valid evidence and files no charges (This is called a no information) and the people arrested simply walk out of court, LE has no downside they pat themselves on the back and go back to work, if they had a downside they would not be so quick to pull the trigger with no substantive evidence.
The doubter(SJ) says "OS STUCK OUT" "They operated in a way that drew attention to themselves and paid the price." Did they advertise FS.--NO. So I ask again where did LE get their info, AND HOW DID THEY CALL ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES, I'M QUITE CERTAIN I NEVER WOULD HAVE HEARD OF THEM WERE IT NOT FOR THIS BOARD.

Bottom line is they read this everyday and if they can shoot fish in a barrel, they will E. O. S-VS

I would propose that the simpler theory is that OS was targeted for way they operatated. Suggestive advertising, suggesstive signage, and therapist that that great you in super short dressess wearing no panties. I think that might get some attention.

You also have failed to address why other places that have been reviewed here continue to operate.

Does LEO get information off this board? Absolutely. Does that mean they choose which places to raid based on this board. Absolutely not. I believe some of you guys attribute more influence to this board than it really haves. Information on the hot places was spread long before there was an internet.

And on the spread of information, the coded language used here is really pretty pointless. Whether you say 'I dreamed she took me on a tour of the Greek islands' or 'I fucked her up the ass' you have given them same information. If 50 guys had posted 'You guys have to go to OS, they take care of you really well' would anything have been different?

Some guys want to give a blow by blow account of what happened. Some just want 'left happy, would repeat. ' Is one style over the top and the other to vague. Probably. Is there a happy medium somewhere in between? Probably. Will we all agree on where that optimum place is? Probably not.

Can we please just agree to disagree and move on.

[QUOTE=VerySlowly; 1195876]Excellent post!

Some seem to seek extensive data, I stand back and look at the results, as in "Occams Razor" where Occam postulates that the simplest answer is the correct one.

"Scientists must use the simplest means of arriving at their results and exclude

Everything not perceived by the senses."

"When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."

So when you have a message board that spews lots of data, LE now has a source of information, there is no other common source of this data, as this information is not commonly spoken of in polite company. LE knows that MP prostitution is difficult to prove but that improper or no license or Fire inspection or Health Dept. Inspection violations are sufficient to solve the problem, even if it is temporary. Since LE has read this " Anecdotal" information repeatedly, Occam says that only an idiot would go to extremes (a big investigation) to achieve the goal of closing the den of inequity when the straight line will achieve the goal. (Simplest answer).

Anyone who looks for complicated answers to simple problems is simply making their thought process more difficult and is in denial of reality. LE operates on a rather simple hypothesis. If it quacks like a duck it is a duck, it might be Gilbert Godfried but if they screw up and their wrong nothing happens to them at all-so why not! Bliss is a good example. Raid+Arrest=Prosecutor has no valid evidence and files no charges (This is called a no information) and the people arrested simply walk out of court, LE has no downside they pat themselves on the back and go back to work, if they had a downside they would not be so quick to pull the trigger with no substantive evidence.

The doubter (SJ) says "OS STUCK OUT" "They operated in a way that drew attention to themselves and paid the price." Did they advertise FS-NO. So I ask again where did LE get their info, AND HOW DID THEY CALL ATTENTION TO THEMSELVES, I'm QUITE CERTAIN I NEVER WOULD HAVE HEARD OF THEM WERE IT NOT FOR THIS BOARD.

Bottom line is they read this everyday and if they can shoot fish in a barrel, they will E. O. S-VS[/QUOTE]

Aight! Can we move on. It has been almost a week now. This site is called USA "Sex" Guide. This board is used for updates and to keep us informed much on what is worth the dinero or not. Be safe and enjoy. LOL.

[QUOTE=Seminole John; 1195957]I would propose that the simpler theory is that OS was targeted for way they operatated. Suggestive advertising, suggesstive signage, and therapist that that great you in super short dressess wearing no panties. I think that might get some attention.

You also have failed to address why other places that have been reviewed here continue to operate.

Does LEO get information off this board? Absolutely. Does that mean they choose which places to raid based on this board. Absolutely not. I believe some of you guys attribute more influence to this board than it really haves. Information on the hot places was spread long before there was an internet.

And on the spread of information, the coded language used here is really pretty pointless. Whether you say 'I dreamed she took me on a tour of the Greek islands' or 'I fucked her up the ass' you have given them same information. If 50 guys had posted 'You guys have to go to OS, they take care of you really well' would anything have been different?

Some guys want to give a blow by blow account of what happened. Some just want 'left happy, would repeat. ' Is one style over the top and the other to vague. Probably. Is there a happy medium somewhere in between? Probably. Will we all agree on where that optimum place is? Probably not.

Can we please just agree to disagree and move on. [/QUOTE]

Location, location, location.

They are very familiar with how to operate. The door is not open to just anyone. If you are not a regular, do not even try pushing too far. Very smart op and familiar with human analysis. The visit is on a timer and you can hear the clock when time is up. However, the more frequent you go the better opportunities are presented.

Definitely worth a repeat. Some of the girls are 10+ and the scale keeps going up!

[QUOTE=Overthepond13;1195726]I have. IMHO they have improved. The upsell isn't so prevalent. Massage still just an excuse for a massage, but the girls (or at least many of them) are pretty darn hot, young and eager to please. This is just the way I like them. Not afraid to show a little flesh and more than a memorable shake to finish off the festivities. I worry that they are too high profile though, which keeps me away most of the time. I'm looking for one of the MT ladies out there that flies under the radar.[/QUOTE]

While you guys are busy arguing about where OS went and why, I found an ol favorite of mine. Nicole from the old Lotus (god do I really miss Dava and her place) is at Winter Park Massage at 415 South Orlando Ave. Her new name is Patricia and she is there afternoons (she is still working her full time job at the phone co) And like always she is VERY accomadating. For those of you who knew her there she is still giving the same great massage. For those who don't know her yet give her a try. She still has that very sexy trim body of hers and the extra soft add on pillows are still very avaliable. She says she's had them for a long time and they are still very soft! Treat her right and she will take care of you! Massage is great and I will be back. Oh and by the way this place is open 7 days a week for those of us looking for a place on Sundays.

Question. Did the "raid" at Ocean Spa make the news?

I'm just curious because I did not hear anything about expcet from here. And you would think LEO would want to flaunt another shut down.

Thanks.

TC69

[QUOTE=Laymedown1;1194645]Did the girls get any younger? Or are we still pulling the left overs?[/QUOTE]Well, I like to think of them as experienced. Not old. .

Has anyone seen this one? Is it worth it? Good massage? Great service? Or just stay away.

[url]http://www.nelsasmassage.com/[/url]

Chears

[QUOTE=True Critic69; 1196030]Question. Did the "raid" at Ocean Spa make the news?

I'm just curious because I did not hear anything about expcet from here. And you would think LEO would want to flaunt another shut down.

Thanks.

TC69[/QUOTE]They apparently were not shut down for Prostitution but for licensing violations.

A while back LE was raiding barber shops catering to a Black and Hispanic clientele, looking for unlicensed barbers, that was stopped quickly, it was politically incorrect as well as stupid to say the least. This is what happens when "Crime" stats are down (Val Demming's gets all the credit but she has nothing to do with it as "Crime" is down in the whole state.) and LE has nothing better to do but protect us from heinous crimes such as these-VS

"You also have failed to address why other places that have been reviewed here continue to operate."-Quote from SJ.

Simple-if the girls are licensed massage therapists and the shop has all the proper licenses and you get naked then you are not a cop, thats why they have not been "raided" it couldn't be any simpler.

In Sarasota LE tried a new approach, sending in non police officers (Confidential informants) to gather evidence and testify, the judge ruled that the C. I. 's were in fact acting as police officers in that their sole purpose in being there was to investigate a possible violation of law. So he disallowed their testimony and blew Law Enforcement's case. Now that case is valid case law and can be used as a defense. If LE wasn't so hamstrung by the "Rules of evidence" there would not be a MP anywhere in Orlando that wasn't 100% legitimate.

As long as you qualify yourself by completely undressing (Getting comfortable) there have not to my knowledge been any convictions in this area for prostitution.

Committing a crime to prove a crime is not permitted on this level of crime. The laws in the cases of Drug violations are different, different strokes for different folks(pun intended).
One of the reasons other than oriental culture for the table shower is the obvious qualification that it affords.

I agree lets get off it, you have your position I have mine, individual board members can do as they wish and decide for themselves who has the correct position here, I haven't heard anything that changes my position one iota-VS

Went to Golden Tiger the other day, Saw Mimi late 30`s but killer body gave ma a awesome back massage works great with her hands and knows how to keep a man company, on the flip gave me a nice head rub that allowed the stress to get out. She told me they will be having TS next month.

[QUOTE=Bez191; 1196041]Has anyone seen this one? Is it worth it? Good massage? Great service? Or just stay away.

[url]http://www.nelsasmassage.com/[/url]

Chears[/QUOTE]I personally has not experienced her massages. There has been reviews here. 100% legit and so-so massage. Thru the years seeing her ads, the big flag is how many different places she has worked.

[QUOTE=VerySlowly; 1196064]"You also have failed to address why other places that have been reviewed here continue to operate."-Quote from SJ.

Simple-if the girls are licensed massage therapists and the shop has all the proper licenses and you get naked then you are not a cop, thats why they have not been "raided" it couldn't be any simpler.

In Sarasota LE tried a new approach, sending in non police officers (Confidential informants) to gather evidence and testify, the judge ruled that the C. I. 's were in fact acting as police officers in that their sole purpose in being there was to investigate a possible violation of law. So he disallowed their testimony and blew Law Enforcement's case. Now that case is valid case law and can be used as a defense. If LE wasn't so hamstrung by the "Rules of evidence" there would not be a MP anywhere in Orlando that wasn't 100% legitimate.

As long as you qualify yourself by completely undressing (Getting comfortable) there have not to my knowledge been any convictions in this area for prostitution.

Committing a crime to prove a crime is not permitted on this level of crime. The laws in the cases of Drug violations are different, different strokes for different folks (pun intended).

One of the reasons other than oriental culture for the table shower is the obvious qualification that it affords.

I agree lets get off it, you have your position I have mine, individual board members can do as they wish and decide for themselves who has the correct position here, I haven't heard anything that changes my position one iota-VS[/QUOTE]Many years ago, maybe 10 years in either Deland or Debray there was a case, LEO was naked on a massage table and there was a conviction. Actually up until that case it was always understood that a cop could never get naked but keep on their underwear. The courts ruled the cops acted legally! This changed the rules of engagement.

I have been off from the site for a while and posted a question or request the other day. Seems it got lost in what continues to be the everlasting USASG pissing contests. Listen Men, you are not going to change the other guys view. There needs to be a new thread called "Pissing contest" for you guys who insist on always having something to say good or bad. I agree with some of it and disagree with other parts, big deal, nature of the beast.

Now as for what this thread is for, here is a report from me for today from a place I have not been too since it changed names. I was in the mood for some Swedish supergroup music and met the older dark haired woman in the group. For one thing, she has not aged well, she's stacked, but that is where it ends. Hints of possibilities but nothing in my dream came true and felt as if the brakes were solidly put on at the end. Got a table shower which left me somewhat clean but I wasnt about to wash myself. When she helped me dry she DIRECTED me to where I was supposed to leave the her the tip back in the room. Not a good experience, not a great massage, not a great cleansing, not a great finish. There was another girl who worked there who I did not see the face of but I would be more willing to try someone else. As always YMMV. Be safe.MM

[QUOTE=Barolo;1196196]Many years ago, maybe 10 years in either Deland or Debray there was a case, LEO was naked on a massage table and there was a conviction. Actually up until that case it was always understood that a cop could never get naked but keep on their underwear. The courts ruled the cops acted legally! This changed the rules of engagement.[/QUOTE]Otherwise your post is absolute B. S. There has been no change in the rules of engagement, I have been in the area over 20 yrs. And it's always been the same and still is, otherwise popping MP'S would be easy-VS

I know I shouldn't do. Its a bad idea. I know that I know I shouldn't do this. But I can't resist beating the carcass one more time. I completely deserve any shit I get for this.

But may just suggest for your consideration that your own comments undermine the argument that comments here lead to OS's closure. Assuming what you say is correct, I don't know, they were closed for license issues not prostition. So the charges are not directly linked to anything said here. I know what you're to say now "it was because of the post that the looked there in the first place." To which I will respond, again assuming what you're saying about the barbers is true, if the cops were hasseling barbers over licenses, which I hope we all can agree is not due to comments her, is it not concievable that bugging businesses that require license but often don't have them is just LEO SOP and their visit to OS had nothing at all to do with this forum? Yes I know for the sites grammar police that that was a massive run-on sentence. But just maybe is that possible? Which gets me back to my original point of we don't know. Not saying that's what happened but is it not a plausible alternative to LEO saw that we were having a good time somewhere and had to develop a diabolical plan to put a stop to it? Just might that be possible? And perhaps we don't have enough facts to blame anybody? Maybe there is no one to blame but OS for not taking proper precautions? Just some food for thought.

P. S. The Deming I was refer to was W. Edwards Deming, sorry typo before. Not Val or Jerry. I completely forgot about them. Dr. Deming was an early proponent of statistical quality control and data driven management. He was ignored by his fellow Americans in 50s (?) And 60's who continued to do what they 'knew' was the right to do business. Deming found an audiance in Japan who used his techniques to kick our asses in the 70's and 80's. We've been playing catch up ever since. Sorry history aside over.

[QUOTE=VerySlowly; 1196051]They apparently were not shut down for Prostitution but for licensing violations.

A while back LE was raiding barber shops catering to a Black and Hispanic clientele, looking for unlicensed barbers, that was stopped quickly, it was politically incorrect as well as stupid to say the least. This is what happens when "Crime" stats are down (Val Demming's gets all the credit but she has nothing to do with it as "Crime" is down in the whole state.) and LE has nothing better to do but protect us from heinous crimes such as these-VS[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Moto Monger; 1196217]I have been off from the site for a while and posted a question or request the other day. Seems it got lost in what continues to be the everlasting USASG pissing contests. Listen Men, you are not going to change the other guys view. There needs to be a new thread called "Pissing contest" for you guys who insist on always having something to say good or bad. I agree with some of it and disagree with other parts, big deal, nature of the beast.

Now as for what this thread is for, here is a report from me for today from a place I have not been too since it changed names. I was in the mood for some Swedish supergroup music and met the older dark haired woman in the group. For one thing, she has not aged well, she's stacked, but that is where it ends. Hints of possibilities but nothing in my dream came true and felt as if the brakes were solidly put on at the end. Got a table shower which left me somewhat clean but I wasnt about to wash myself. When she helped me dry she DIRECTED me to where I was supposed to leave the her the tip back in the room. Not a good experience, not a great massage, not a great cleansing, not a great finish. There was another girl who worked there who I did not see the face of but I would be more willing to try someone else. As always YMMV. Be safe. MM[/QUOTE]There is to much BS happening here

[QUOTE=VerySlowly;1196225]Otherwise your post is absolute B. S. There has been no change in the rules of engagement, I have been in the area over 20 yrs. And it's always been the same and still is, otherwise popping MP'S would be easy-VS[/QUOTE]Go look it up Mr. No It All

Went there today. It was the first time I've been to an Asian spa. I enjoyed it a great deal. Good massage, happy ending, $.0.

[QUOTE=Barolo;1196410]Go look it up Mr. No It All[/QUOTE]It's KNOW IT ALL. You posted it but I guess you can't back it up or you would have done it. It is simply wrong information-VS

But may just suggest for your consideration that your own comments undermine the argument that comments here lead to OS's closure. Assuming what you say is correct, I don't know, they were closed for license issues not prostition. So the charges are not directly linked to anything said here. I know what you're to say now "it was because of the post that the looked there in the first place." To which I will respond, again assuming what you're saying about the barbers is true, if the cops were hasseling barbers over licenses, which I hope we all can agree is not due to comments her, is it not concievable that bugging businesses that require license but often don't have them is just LEO SOP and their visit to OS had nothing at all to do with this forum? Yes I know for the sites grammar police that that was a massive run-on sentence. But just maybe is that possible? Which gets me back to my original point of we don't know. Not saying that's what happened but is it not a plausible alternative to LEO saw that we were having a good time somewhere and had to develop a diabolical plan to put a stop to it? Just might that be possible? And perhaps we don't have enough facts to blame anybody? Maybe there is no one to blame but OS for not taking proper precautions? Just some food for thought.

The bottom line is that even if LEO read all of the detailed post about what was going on at OS if they had the proper licenses we would still be going there getting our rocks off. No one here told them to hire a girl with no license so she could be arrested. Like was said other AMP are talked about here in code or detailed and they are still open.