Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5534947]LOL- you must be joking! Like that fraudulent article from the Guardian with the Oklahoma ER rooms overflowing with Ivermectin overdoses? Or your bullshit posts about the VAERS system and being able to claim turning into the Hulk? Your ignorant bullshit has been called out so many times that no one has time to waste sifting through all the BS you post. You have no credibility because you're always posting a bunch of unverified, unfactual, untruthful bullshit.

You haven't provided any credible evidence that the vaccines are preventing the spread, because you can't. The vaccine manufacturers don't even make this claim. Only this lying administration and their minions spread this propaganda. I and others have presented a ton of evidence to the contrary, and even the CDC has admitted that the vaccinated carry viral loads as high as the unvaccinated. Your argument holds no water. If you want to get the vaccine because you fear for your health that's fine with me, but don't try to force your agenda on others based on false premises and holier than thou hollow rhetoric. Again, there are strong arguments that can be made that the vaccines are actually contributing to the problem, but I'm not going to rehash that because you won't listen as it doesn't fit your narrative.[/QUOTE]Once again the official data from the CDC is very clear. 95%+ of deaths are from unvaccinated, despite them being just 47% of the population and only 18% of the elderly population that is most vulnerable. You dismissed this. You dismissed this repeatedly. When you offered as alternatives the cherrypicked examples of Israel and Gibraltar as "proof" that vaccinations didn't work, I dug through the numbers and found that they too showed the same pattern of vaccination causing a dramatic drop in hospitalizations and deaths.

When it comes to works that support your claim, there is no dataset too narrow, no source too untrustworthy. When it comes to works that oppose your claim, no amount of data matters, every source is deemed to have questionable motives, etc etc. It reminds me of the whole global warming denialism, where the vast scientific consensus got accused of "wanting more grant money" while unqualified pundits funded by the fossil fuel industry got labeled crusaders for truth. Other times you've taken data from good sources, but then applied non-expert analysis that fails to interpret it correctly.

I'm not terribly interested in sifting through your sources when you dismiss mine baselessly and incoherently. This is epitomized by you simultaneously dismissing CDC's breakthrough deaths vs overall deaths figure out of hand, while demanding that I take your interpretation of the CDC's VAERS data dead seriously.

Oh its also kind of hilarious that after a lecture on profit motives, once again this comes from your own provided source I might add:

SOME OF the loudest opposition to ivermectin has come from Merck Co. , which manufactured the drug in the 1980's. In a public statement about ivermectin on its website in February, it said: "Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to date, our analysis has identified no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and a concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies. ".

If Ivermectin was the panacea you claim it to be then Merck, which invented the drug and manufactures it to this day, would be eagerly hawking it. Instead they desperately beg people not to use it, probably because they don't want to get hit with the inevitable lawsuits when people poison themselves by ODing on a mild nerve agent.

"Luv said:

My issue is not as much with the vaccines themselves (although admittedly, I don't feel the risk / reward is in favor for my age / health profile, and I do also question potential long-term issues which I've already pointed out), but with this administration and media for the censorship and distortion in an effort to force their agenda. I find that censorship and agenda an affront to civil liberties, human rights, and everything this country was built on. I think others in this country have about had enough as well and are starting to voice the same. ".

It was the Trump administration and associates that said it would all go away soon, that it was just the flu, that precautions weren't necessary, that elderly dying just meant it was "their time to pass". Heck most of the waffling by people like Fauci happened under them too, though that wasn't dishonesty. In the early stages they were genuinely unsure about how it propagated. It took time to figure out heavily air-based it was, which meant that sanitizing things wasn't much help, or that being indoors with a few people is more dangerous than being outdoors with many.

Its also a foregone conclusion to me that vaccines aren't going to permanently extinguish Covid-19, for the same reasons that flu vaccines don't permanently extinguish the flu. That IS something authorities are a tad deceptive about, because they don't want to admit that we're probably going to be getting "booster shots" for Covid-19 forever. At this point the role of the vaccine is to reduce deaths, not contain its spread. If people had complied early enough, could we have vaccinated people against the dominant strains fast enough to wipe it out before new strains could evolve to take its place? Maybe. But we don't live in that world.

As for broader questions of freedom, I think this man elucidates my feelings on the subject nicely:

[URL]https://twitter.com/sciencemonkeyca/status/1433971196157173762[/URL]

Society routinely restricts people's freedoms, generally because unrestricted freedoms for one person tends to run over and undermine the freedoms of other. Pandemics also restrict people's freedoms. The sooner we can end the pandemic, the sooner we can be free to move and live without risk. The consistent failure of half the USA to comply with pandemic control measures ensured that the pandemic persisted unnecessarily long and severely, restricting the freedoms of everyone, and restricting freedom permanently for hundreds of thousands of dead Americans and the many live ones who've become permanently debilitated, or who are friends and family of the same.

I'll reiterate that nothing epitomizes your approach to data like how you've handled the CDC's data:

1: You dismiss the CDC's breakthrough deaths vs overall deaths figure out of hand, while demanding that I take your interpretation of the CDC's VAERS data dead seriously.

2: Your interpretation of VAERS data is "anyone who died =after getting the vaccine was killed by the vaccine". You previously claimed "I will grant you that hundreds of thousands of people have died "WITH" Covid19 but I guarantee you that that number is a minor percent when you say that they died "OF" Covid19. " but are now casually applying that same logic you (baselessly) accused the CDC of using.

When asked to delineate between "died WITH vaccination" vs "died OF vaccination" the CDC says the death count is just 3, all of them the Johnson and Johnson one, which has consistently been the one that's raised concerns over blood clots. This isn't even the first or second time that Reuters has had to debunk this, but as is clearly stated:

FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it is unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.

The VAERS data is an all-inclusive "ANY death after Covid-19 vaccination" standard. You are interpreting this as meaning 100% of deaths or close to it are from vaccinations, while rejecting the far lower official figures. And fittingly enough, something like 80%+ of those deaths are indeed elderly people who are for obvious reasons more death-prone than the overall population.

The Covid-19 death data is not "anyone who died after contracting Covid-19" but straight from the mouths of doctor pronouncing cause of death, which you are accusing professionals of systematically lying because reasons. Or perhaps you are just rejecting the CDC who compiles the overall numbers. The same CDC for whom you are using VAERS data as a source.

Why you are doing this is pretty obvious. The breakthrough deaths figure contradicts your ideological worldview, so you accuse the CDC of falsely pushing it to serve a political agenda. The VAERS deaths figure as 'interpreted' by you aligns with your ideological worldview, so you assume it to be 100% valid and have no ulterior motive despite coming from the same source, who by your own logic should have just buried the VAERS data entirely.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-vaers/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-over-2000-deaths-due-to-covid-19-vaccines-in-july-2021-idUSL1N2PB2H3[/url]

[URL] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaers/fact-check-reports-of-adverse-effects-in-us-database-arent-confirmed-to-be-linked-to-vaccination-idUSKBN2AE0QQ[/url]

[URL] https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-thousands-died-from-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-idUSL1N2LV0NY[/url]

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5535214]blah blah blah...[/QUOTE]All you did was again demonstrate your inability to read, and your proclivity for redundancy over and over. Why do you keep repeating something that I stated in my original post (that vaccines have shown symptomatic effectivness)? Are you daft? You've spent pages and pages on this, even though I made this point originally and have stated it over and over. You act like you're proving something with this, when it's been acknowledged all along. I don't necessarily agree with all the stats and sources you've used to go along with that, but that's besides the point. How does this relate to your selfishness argument? It's my life, and I can make my own decisions about it. How does that impact you or others?

The only basis for your selfishness argument, and likewise your argument for ending the pandemic and restricting others freedoms, is the prevention of spread of the disease to others. To this, you've provided nothing, and did so again just now even after being explicitly asked, because you have nothing. Instead you tried to pivot once again to the symptomatic effectiveness. And that relates how? Again, that's a personal risk assessment every American should be entitled to make for themselves.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5535214]At this point the role of the vaccine is to reduce deaths, not contain its spread.[/QUOTE]

Ah, so we in fact agree, and this blows apart your selfishness argument and the basis for any vaccine mandates. In that case, I don't know what you've been rambling on about for pages, because if you'd bothered to read what I said, this was my point all along. I also happen to believe the vaccine doesn't make sense for me and for many other people if a proper risk analysis were done, but that's another argument for another day.

Regarding Ivermectin, Merck is far from the only manufacturer of Ivermectin you moron. Again, you really need to educate yourself before you spout off. Ivermectin is a long off-patent drug, is very cheap, and no one is going to get rich off Ivermectin. Never claimed Ivermectin was a panacea, because I don't make ridiculous, unfounded, exaggerated claims like you do. I do believe it can be an effective treatment for Covid, as dozens of studies have demonstrated.

Regarding the CDC, I do question a lot of information and data coming from there, including the VAERS data, which I think is vastly UNDERreported. See how that works?

I see Biden is trying to force the vaccines for Federal employees using the twisted logic to try and deflect and salvage his plummeting approval ratings. I think that's a bad gamble, and it's going to have the opposite effect. Fuck Joe Biden!

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5535214]Once again the official data from the CDC is very clear. 95%+ of deaths are from unvaccinated, despite them being just 47% of the population and only 18% of the elderly population that is most vulnerable.[/QUOTE]Here's a real question. Is that 95%+ counted from the beginning of this whole shit show or just since the vaccine was released? I'm playing devils advocate here because I know how either side will skew the numbers to support their argument. I doubt the real numbers are even available without some dipshit adjusting them.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5535243]All you did was again demonstrate your inability to read, and your proclivity for redundancy over and over. Why do you keep repeating something that I stated in my original post (that vaccines have shown symptomatic effectivness)? Are you daft? You've spent pages and pages on this, even though I made this point originally and have stated it over and over. You act like you're proving something with this, when it's been acknowledged all along. I don't necessarily agree with all the stats and sources you've used to go along with that, but that's besides the point. How does this relate to your selfishness argument? It's my life, and I can make my own decisions about it. How does that impact you or others?

The only basis for your selfishness argument, and likewise your argument for ending the pandemic and restricting others freedoms, is the prevention of spread of the disease to others. To this, you've provided nothing, and did so again just now even after being explicitly asked, because you have nothing. Instead you tried to pivot once again to the symptomatic effectiveness. And that relates how? Again, that's a personal risk assessment every American should be entitled to make for themselves.



Ah, so we in fact agree, and this blows apart your selfishness argument and the basis for any vaccine mandates. In that case, I don't know what you've been rambling on about for pages, because if you'd bothered to read what I said, this was my point all along. I also happen to believe the vaccine doesn't make sense for me and for many other people if a proper risk analysis were done, but that's another argument for another day.
[/QUOTE]The vaccine massively reduces deaths, hospitalization rates, and permanent debilitation among all age groups, not just elderly. With no substantiated downsides. Cost-benefit analysis still favors all age groups doing so.

The vaccine is unable to reduce spread adequately because a large proportion of the population is not vaccinated and resists vaccination steadfastly. I am willing to accept that it is possible, albeit unproven, that a population which rapidly and fully vaccinated would still be unable to contain it due to its virulence and mutation rate. However most indications are to me that places like Gibraltar that fully vaccinate can drop cases to zero and keep them at zero so long as they do not interact with unvaccinated populations that serve as reservoirs for the disease. Unfortunately they do, and due to resistance to vaccination, that will likely remain the case indefinitely.

I can accept that we've failed. But it was a failure of action not a failure of inherent futility. Vaccines prevent spread and ideally extinguish a disease entirely by granting herd immunity. If we cannot achieve herd immunity levels of vaccination for a given disease before it mutates past the vaccination, then the ability of vaccines to preclude spread is inherently limited.

That said most experts say the vaccines reduce spread, and the data strongly suggests the same. The death rates of vaccinated are way down, but the overall deaths per cases ratio is not all that changed from previous waves. That implies either that Delta is more deadly, or that it isn't just most deaths but also most cases that are unvaccinated. Probably a little bit of both. Unfortunately getting good substantive data on breakthrough cases rather than just breakthrough hospitalizations / deaths has proven difficult. That said as I've noted before there are plenty of figures that have come up saying things like "80% of new cases are unvaccinated" or "vaccine less effective against Delta but still significantly reduces spread".

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5535243]Regarding Ivermectin, Merck is far from the only manufacturer of Ivermectin you moron. Again, you really need to educate yourself before you spout off. Ivermectin is a long off-patent drug, is very cheap, and no one is going to get rich off Ivermectin. Never claimed Ivermectin was a panacea, because I don't make ridiculous, unfounded, exaggerated claims like you do. I do believe it can be an effective treatment for Covid, as dozens of studies have demonstrated.[/QUOTE]
The experts beg to disagree with your claims. I think they know more about the scientific method than you do. Or honestly just the people on twitter bragging about shitting out their intestinal lining as their body desperately tries to purge itself of nerve agent. There are promising options out there in the works like this,
[url]https://m.jpost.com/health-science/covid-90-percent-of-patients-treated-with-new-israeli-drug-discharged-in-5-days-675961[/url]

but it takes time and research to confirm. Ivermectin is the same as hydroxychloroquine, something scientists did legitimately consider, but were largely unimpressed with the results and moved on.

In any case its pointless because no product used to treat symptomatic Covid-19 will prevent the spread of Covid-19, and as noted before the vaccine is already a safe effective way of reducing mortality of Covid-19 that can potentially reduce spread. Having a medication that can treat breakthrough cases would be a useful tool, but getting people vaccinated is far more useful overall.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5535243]Regarding the CDC, I do question a lot of information and data coming from there, including the VAERS data, which I think is vastly UNDERreported. See how that works?[/QUOTE]
Yes you disregard data that disagrees with you and accept data that agrees with you, come up with interpretations of data that don't align with official reports, and show no regard for things like the credibility of a source except as another cudgel for your viewpoint.

More broadly speaking there is a pretty simple test for conspiracy theories like "all world governments and credentialed experts claim treatment A works with no side effects and treatment B doesn't work while having side effects, but actually its the reverse" which is "what are rich people doing?". The answer is that outside of hard-right partisans and wacky celebrities, they're getting vaccinations, and they're not getting ivermectin. In some cases even the partisans and celebrities do. Trump got vaccinated as soon as possible Abbott went and got his booster shot.

In fact GOP governors by and large publicly endorse vaccination then try to blame non-white people for low vaccination rates... they resist lockdowns, social distancing, and masks in part because I think they're hoping to have their cake and eat it too. They hope that the vaccinations will stop Covid-19, or at least stop the influx of deaths, while still allowing them to throw red meat at the base by demolishing measures meant to reduce spread, which is irrelevant if Covid-19 is made extinct or harmless. Such hasn't panned out for them so far. The first wave of Covid-19 after vaccinations became wildly available is the first one overwhelmingly centered on GOP turf, both in terms of cases and deaths.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5535243]I see Biden is trying to force the vaccines for Federal employees using the twisted logic to try and deflect and salvage his plummeting approval ratings. I think that's a bad gamble, and it's going to have the opposite effect. Fuck Joe Biden![/QUOTE]
Biden was always planning on doing so, approval ratings or not.

[QUOTE=Airmantroy;5535474]Here's a real question. Is that 95%+ counted from the beginning of this whole shit show .[/QUOTE]CDC counts from Dec 2020. Look at the huge spike in cases and deaths before one non vaccine vaccine was put in populations arm. Lying bullshit form liars.

If you're 65 in shape and healthy with no pre-existing conditions, your chances of getting laid up in the hospital sick or struck dead by China Virus is the same as in a car accident. 40,30, 20's it's same as falling down stairs, getting killed in a pick up football game, having a heart attack as you run out a grounder in a softball game. If you're 70 or older, morbidly obese and / or have pre-existing conditions, deciding to take an experimental non-vaccine vaccine is understandable. I'm in good shape, healthy with no pre-existing conditions. I've done ample research and decided not to take experimental non vaccine vaccine. I've read and heard here, notably from the peeping tom pedo Soros, gender conflicted rabbit and dickbreath roger, that people like me should be forced to die w / o medical attention because of my choice. Let me flip that script and say to those three fucksticks that I wish a miserable death upon you. A non vaccine vaccine induced massive cytokine storm kind of death. Google that, it's horrendous and not unlikely from this non vaccine vaccine. Your DNA needs to be removed from the stream. There has been enough adverse reactions to this non vaccine vaccine that it would have been pulled and destroyed. And remember, 'Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement. ' So that ass kicking cytokine storm may be 5-10 years in your future.

[URL]https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation[/URL]

Trying to non vaccine vaccine the entire population, regardless of risk, as a way out of an pandemic and using a leaky non vaccine vaccine in doing so, is in all likelihood what's causing these mutations. Get the non vaccine vaccine and you still get sick. The virus is not killed. This causes the virus to mutate, to overcome defense in order to survive. Look at Israel, UK. As non vaccine vaccinations increase, so do cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Non vaccinated or not. UK and Israel have national health plan, all data comes into one place. There is no evidence of a pandemic of the un non vaccine vaccinated. That's a lie. It's the healthy people at little or no risk, the fearful and feeble minded authoritarians who choose to get non vaccine vaccine who spread the virus, force it to mutate.

If you have a teenager or younger child and you choose to get them the non vaccine vaccine you're an unfit parent and your child needs to be removed from you and raised in a healthier environment before they turn out to be a Soros, Rabbit or Roger. The teenagers who have been non vaccine vaccinated have a 2-600% higher myopericarditis rate than China Virus hospitalization rate.

Top two FDA officials with a combined 65 years of experience resigned in protest of the Biden admin politicizing, not believing in the science regarding China Virus boosters. The corrupt to the core WHO wants to halt boosters for months so more studies can be made. But Joe Biden's ready to roll them out. Resist. Fuck Joe Biden and the weak minded motherfuckers at little or no China Virus risk who choose a non vaccine vaccine and make the situation worse for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5535615]Yes you disregard data that disagrees with you and accept data that agrees with you, come up with interpretations of data that don't align with official reports, and show no regard for things like the credibility of a source except as another cudgel for your viewpoint.[/QUOTE]This is exactly what you do.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5535615]More broadly speaking there is a pretty simple test for conspiracy theories like "all world governments and credentialed experts claim treatment A works with no side effects and treatment B doesn't work while having side effects, but actually its the reverse" which is "what are rich people doing?". [/QUOTE]You have no clue what they're doing. You only know what they want you to believe they're doing. And I personally don't give a fuck what they're doing. I can think for myself, I don't need to be a follower. It's apparent you need someone to show and tell you what to do.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5535615]Biden was always planning on doing so, approval ratings or not.[/QUOTE]I know that, and I've long stated it as the reason for the bullshit misinformation campaign. But the timing of this is no coincidence. It doesn't matter, its not going to save him. Fuck Joe Biden!

Pedo? Is there something in your past you're not telling us? I'm going to recommend you increase the dosage of your psychotic Rx meds. In the meantime, please keep pissing in the wind, your comments don't deserve any more insight than calling you a total retard because they are shallow, stupid, and completely detached from reality.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5535882]If you're 65 in shape and healthy with no pre-existing conditions, your chances of getting laid up in the hospital sick or struck dead by China Virus is the same as in a car accident. 40,30, 20's it's same as falling down stairs, getting killed in a pick up football game, having a heart attack as you run out a grounder in a softball game. If you're 70 or older, morbidly obese and / or have pre-existing conditions, deciding to take an experimental non-vaccine vaccine is understandable. I'm in good shape, healthy with no pre-existing conditions. I've done ample research and decided not to take experimental non vaccine vaccine. I've read and heard here, notably from the peeping tom pedo Soros, gender conflicted rabbit and dickbreath roger, that people like me should be forced to die w / o medical attention because of my choice. Let me flip that script and say to those three fucksticks that I wish a miserable death upon you. A non vaccine vaccine induced massive cytokine storm kind of death. Google that, it's horrendous and not unlikely from this non vaccine vaccine. Your DNA needs to be removed from the stream. There has been enough adverse reactions to this non vaccine vaccine that it would have been pulled and destroyed. And remember, 'Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement. ' So that ass kicking cytokine storm may be 5-10 years in your future.

[URL]https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation[/URL]

Trying to non vaccine vaccine the entire population, regardless of risk, as a way out of an pandemic and using a leaky non vaccine vaccine in doing so, is in all likelihood what's causing these mutations. Get the non vaccine vaccine and you still get sick. The virus is not killed. This causes the virus to mutate, to overcome defense in order to survive. Look at Israel, UK. As non vaccine vaccinations increase, so do cases, hospitalizations and deaths. Non vaccinated or not. UK and Israel have national health plan, all data comes into one place. There is no evidence of a pandemic of the un non vaccine vaccinated. That's a lie. It's the healthy people at little or no risk, the fearful and feeble minded authoritarians who choose to get non vaccine vaccine who spread the virus, force it to mutate.

If you have a teenager or younger child and you choose to get them the non vaccine vaccine you're an unfit parent and your child needs to be removed from you and raised in a healthier environment before they turn out to be a Soros, Rabbit or Roger. The teenagers who have been non vaccine vaccinated have a 2-600% higher myopericarditis rate than China Virus hospitalization rate.

Top two FDA officials with a combined 65 years of experience resigned in protest of the Biden admin politicizing, not believing in the science regarding China Virus boosters. The corrupt to the core WHO wants to halt boosters for months so more studies can be made. But Joe Biden's ready to roll them out. Resist. Fuck Joe Biden and the weak minded motherfuckers at little or no China Virus risk who choose a non vaccine vaccine and make the situation worse for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]

We are all (supposedly) adults here and calling each other names is not going to help.

Against vaccines? Don't get one and live with the consequences. At best you lead a long and healthy life. At worst, you are one of the 1 in 500 Americans who die of the disease, or perhaps are sick enough to require hospitalization, hoping that your local hospital is not already full of your fellow anti-vaccers. Or you just pass it on to others -- no big deal. Unless, of course, it is one of your close friends or family member. P.S. -- its called Public Health for a reason. But it is your body and your choice. Choose wisely.

For vaccination? Then just go ahead and get it and live with the consequences. There is a small, but countable, chance that it will kill you. There is a far bigger chance that it will not. It may not prevent you from getting the disease, but it will help you avoid spreading it to others. Public Health again. If you do get the disease anyway, the chances of you becoming sick enough to require hospitalization go way down and the chance of you dying from it shrink even more dramatically. You don't even have to tell us you did it.

So make your own choice, but please stop trying to influence others. Skewed data and one off incidents to prove your general conclusion do no-one any good. Do your own research, come to your own conclusion, and take the action that you believe is right for yourself. Just stop trying to influence others.

And before you comment, yes, I have firm beliefs myself, and yes, I know they are not unapparent in my comments above. But you needn't listen to me. As I said before, make your own choice. Just live with the consequences.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5536657]Pedo? Is there something in your past you're not telling us? I'm going to recommend you increase the dosage of your psychotic Rx meds. In the meantime, please keep pissing in the wind, your comments don't deserve any more insight than calling you a total retard because they are shallow, stupid, and completely detached from reality.[/QUOTE]Love that pic, but just wait. It's early yet and cockgobbler hamlet will say something even more retarded as the day goes on. He really should wear that helmet his momma gave him. Yeah, it makes him look stupid, but he looks that way regardless.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5536657]Pedo? [/QUOTE]There's others here that refer to you as a pedophile, did I miss something that made that common knowledge?

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5536915]There's others here that refer to you as a pedophile, did I miss something that made that common knowledge?[/QUOTE]Dr. COVID whisperer, you seem so obsessed with name calling people pedophiles. Are you one yourself?

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5537093]Dr. COVID whisperer, you seem so obsessed with name calling people pedophiles. Are you one yourself?[/QUOTE]I don't name call people pedophiles, I name call you a pedophile because you're weird and creepy and others here have referred to you as same, as a pedophile.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5536722]It may not prevent you from getting the disease, but it will help you avoid spreading it to others.[/QUOTE]Do you mind posting your evidence proving that? Because even the vaccine manufacturers don't make this claim. I know this is repeated over and over by the media, but that doesn't make it true. Show me actual, factual scientific data that proves this is true. If this is so true, why are so many of the most highly-vaccinated countries seeing such a surge in Covid rates? Why is Israel up over 1100% if vaccines are so effective at stopping the spread? This is propaganda that has been repeated, but has no basis in reality.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5536722]So make your own choice, but please stop trying to influence others. Skewed data and one off incidents to prove your general conclusion do no-one any good. Do your own research, come to your own conclusion, and take the action that you believe is right for yourself. Just stop trying to influence others.[/QUOTE]Oh, so it's ok for the pro-vaccine agenda and propaganda to be shoved down our throats 24/7, but there should be no truth to counter-balance that allowed? I really can't believe what this country has come to. That's the purpose of Freedom of Speech. And if you just read down this forum, I think you'll see the skewed data and incidents has come from the pro-vaccine side, and that's been documented. But you're too blind to see that. Your tactic is a common one of totalitarian regimes- when you don't want people to see the truth, you try to silence it and censor it. If you've got nothing to hide and have a defensible position, then you're not afraid to openly discuss and debate, because the truth will win out, it always does. It will ultimately win out here too, but not until after a lot of damage has already been done.

I can't believe the spineless coward senile leader we have, hiding behind his sunglasses thinking he's cool. He makes me sick. Fuck Joe Biden!

Joe says "Trust me, I know what's best for your children, go get your kids vaccinated, or we'll soon force you to do so...".

[URL]https://summit.news/2021/09/10/study-finds-teenage-boys-6-times-more-likely-to-suffer-heart-problems-from-vaccine-than-be-hospitalized-by-covid/[/URL]

Meanwhile, studies from the the University of California tell you that you should not trust the senile fool, and that the risk of complications from the vaccines is anywhere from 4. 3 x to 22 x higher than the risk of complications from Covid for teenage boys. Again, it's all about risk assessment and not a one-size-fits-all approach that this brainless administration advocates.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5536722]We are all (supposedly) adults here and calling each other names is not going to help.

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[QUOTE=Bullett64;5500089]You are either simply ignorant (intentionally or not and / or stupid (again, either intentionally or not), but you are certainly arrogant and dangerous, whether to yourself, those around you, or the general population at large.

And that IS intentional on your part.

I can no longer be bothered to even read your posts.[/QUOTE]Go change your Depends old man. You smell like piss.

Been wondering what kind of supplements you guys use to help with energy and libido. Not that I have a problem with getting my stick working but I'm noticing that I'm not having the same energy levels throughout the day and then when its time to monger I'm a little tired. I recently started a nice regiment of maca root and alligator pepper tea. Also take cinnamon as well to keep the urinary tract flushing regularly. You gents using anything?

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5538045]Go change your Depends old man. You smell like piss.[/QUOTE]I mention ignorance, which is a lack of knowledge; stupidity, which is a lack of mental ability, and arrogance, which is an inability to move off a preconceived position.

You counter with Depends and piss.

I rest my case.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5537924]I can't believe the spineless coward senile leader we have, hiding behind his sunglasses thinking he's cool. He makes me sick. Fuck Joe Biden![/QUOTE]As I said, I support your ability to do your own research and come to your own opinion. You obviously have and I hope you are happy with the consequences of your decision.

I take it from your post that you are not in favor of President Biden. Having sex with him is not how to deal with your issues; going to the polls is.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5537924]Do you mind posting your evidence proving that?[/QUOTE]Though I really prefer that you take the time to do your own research (from credible sources, please), may I offer the Mayo Clinic website as a good place to start?

[URL]https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-vaccine/art-20484859[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5538160]I mention ignorance, which is a lack of knowledge; stupidity, which is a lack of mental ability, and arrogance, which is an inability to move off a preconceived position.

You counter with Depends and piss.

I rest my case.[/QUOTE]I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Good post.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5537894]I don't name call people pedophiles, I name call you a pedophile because you're weird and creepy and others here have referred to you as same, as a pedophile.[/QUOTE]Well, if I gave a fuck to what you say, that may really hurt. But since I don't, I could give a shit....lol

Hey I understand it, it's a job and a career for some.

SB on arrangements want our attention and we pay this abhorrent price.

* give us blue balls and we pay the outrageous subscription fee to get a glimpse of their bodies and pussy.

I try not to get to close to these women, but emotions are hard (no pun intended) to suppress.

Sometimes you find that ATF and fall madly in "Love" (Lust).

When you try to connect a little to get to know them, find out how they got to where they are, sometimes they share.

Hey it's wonderful I got to fuck a beautiful (beauty is in the eye of the beholder), especially when they organically cum, as Baller55's stories are great with his Unicorn. We all have that unicorn, but the reality is they're fucking others as well. We just turn a blind eye.

Well finding out that my ATF has a boyfriend, (I was envious, because he gets to fuck her for "Free") nothing is entirely free because we all have to spend a little here and there.

But Long Story Short, I fucked a woman who has a BF or SO and so what I paid it, as Charlie Sheen said, "I paid her to leave" (LOL). Who would allow their woman to fuck another man for money (rhetorical question).

There was a story on Real Sex from HBO about the Love Hotels in Japan. The husband spends money goes to an escort, while the wife makes money fucking. The wife brings in more money. LOL.

Back to program. She enjoyed it with me (much to our fantasy, not many providers kiss back, and the ones that do are most often times acting the part) which got my endorphins running high and a great big boost to my EGO. Also there are the squirters, even if they make themselves squirt either with their hands or toys or having your fingers and / or dick massaging them. They can't fake that feeling of ecstasy.

So for all fellow mongers here, I enjoy your stories with the K agencies, (The Peppers, Mannies, Aces, and what have you), and the High End Super Expensive Fun Escorts, and the Low to High End Independent Masseuses).

Peace and keep fucking.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5538166]As I said, I support your ability to do your own research and come to your own opinion. You obviously have and I hope you are happy with the consequences of your decision.

I take it from your post that you are not in favor of President Biden. Having sex with him is not how to deal with your issues; going to the polls is.[/QUOTE]Stepping back for a moment and looking at the COVID situation from a coldly political perspective, clearly Biden and the Democrats stand to benefit at the polls if they left the un-vaccinated alone. Since 99% of those dying from COVID are unvaccinated, and since Republicans make up the vast majority of the unvaccinated, this would mean fewer GOP voters in 2022. By the same token, I cannot for the life of me understand why the GOP is not more "pro-vaccine"; the GOP can ill afford to lose any more voters. It seems like the GOP is intent on shooting themselves in the head on this issue.

The inane ramblings of a bewildered old fool on the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks who just drove past nearly one hundred 'Fuck Joe Biden' signs on the route from the airport.

And some wonder why the POTUS didn't give a speech in memory of the 20th anniversary for all those murdered on 9/11?

[URL]https://twitter.com/TrumpJew2/status/1436868194342428672?s=20[/URL]

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5538705]Stepping back for a moment and looking at the COVID situation from a coldly political perspective, clearly ...[/QUOTE]Yup. Weird and creepy no matter the topic. Keep away from our children.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5539201]The inane ramblings of a bewildered old fool on the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks who drove past nearly one hundred 'Fuck Joe Biden' signs on the route from the airport.

[URL]https://twitter.com/TrumpJew2/status/1436868194342428672?s=20[/URL][/QUOTE]Doesn't Biden know that the proper way to commemorate 9/11 is by announcing a fight in Vegas. What's wrong with him? LOL.

[QUOTE=LoveARub69;5539206]Doesn't Biden know that the proper way to commemorate 9/11 is by announcing a fight in Vegas. What's wrong with him? LOL.[/QUOTE]Trump was in NYC yesterday at three different locations, spoke at all three and had pictures taken with first responders. The lying dick-faced sack of shit that you voted for made appearances for show only and spoke at none to them, keeping his distance as he typically does. Get your facts straight before you start the usual bloviating bullshit about Trump that you idiotic libs love to do. Yes Trump did get around to announcing at a fight but I suppose you would have preferred him to wear sackcloth and ashes all day and even that would not have been enough for you but then it never is enough for you and your ilk.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5539204]Yup. Weird and creepy no matter the topic. Keep away from our children.[/QUOTE]Well, as they say: It takes one to know one. Bullett described you brilliantly, you are ignorant as you lack knowledge, you are stupid as you lack mental ability and completely arrogant in your inability to move off a preconceived position. Now go outside and play hide and go fu*k yourself! TADA!

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5538160]I mention ignorance, which is a lack of knowledge; stupidity, which is a lack of mental ability, and arrogance, which is an inability to move off a preconceived position.

You counter with Depends and piss.

I rest my case.[/QUOTE]The depends and piss comment wasn't a counter. Your timeline is wrong and out of context. You referred to me as stupid, ignorant, arrogant, etc. , weeks or months ago after you had called me a liar and I politely asked you to show how and where I lied. You never did. But instead said this:

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5536722]We are all (supposedly) adults here and calling each other names is not going to help.
[/QUOTE]So I read that and think fuck that sanctimonious old man. He's okay with calling others names yet posts name calling isn't going to help? What a condescending old prick. So that is one reason why I posted, not countered, that you smell like piss and need to change your depends. The other reason being that you're 78 and chances are do smell like piss and need to change your depends. It happens. Most of us have/had elderly parents or been around the aged and they have that unappealing musty scent of rot and decay. Right?

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5539398]The depends and piss comment wasn't a counter. Your timeline is wrong and out of context. You referred to me as stupid, ignorant, arrogant, etc. , weeks or months ago after you had called me a liar and I politely asked you to show how and where I lied. You never did. But instead said this:

So I read that and think fuck that sanctimonious old man. He's okay with calling others names yet posts name calling isn't going to help? What a condescending old prick. So that is one reason why I posted, not countered, that you smell like piss and need to change your depends. The other reason being that you're 78 and chances are do smell like piss and need to change your depends. It happens. Most of us have/had elderly parents or been around the aged and they have that unappealing musty scent of rot and decay. Right?[/QUOTE]Wrong. You have never determined my age correctly, which is is inconsequential to any possible discussion of COVID or politics. You are free to come and smell me if you need reassurance. I do have concerns about you, either or both of your intelligence or maturity are not yet well developed. Maybe they will improve with time.

[QUOTE=DrPornDawger;5538670]Hey I understand it, it's a job and a career for some.

SB on arrangements want our attention and we pay this abhorrent price.

* give us blue balls and we pay the outrageous subscription fee to get a glimpse of their bodies and pussy.

I try not to get to close to these women, but emotions are hard (no pun intended) to suppress.

Sometimes you find that ATF and fall madly in "Love" (Lust).

When you try to connect a little to get to know them, find out how they got to where they are, sometimes they share.

Hey it's wonderful I got to fuck a beautiful (beauty is in the eye of the beholder), especially when they organically cum, as Baller55's stories are great with his Unicorn. We all have that unicorn, but the reality is they're fucking others as well. We just turn a blind eye.

Well finding out that my ATF has a boyfriend, (I was envious, because he gets to fuck her for "Free") nothing is entirely free because we all have to spend a little here and there.

But Long Story Short, I fucked a woman who has a BF or SO and so what I paid it, as Charlie Sheen said, "I paid her to leave" (LOL). Who would allow their woman to fuck another man for money (rhetorical question).

There was a story on Real Sex from HBO about the Love Hotels in Japan. The husband spends money goes to an escort, while the wife makes money fucking. The wife brings in more money. LOL.

Back to program. She enjoyed it with me (much to our fantasy, not many providers kiss back, and the ones that do are most often times acting the part) which got my endorphins running high and a great big boost to my EGO. Also there are the squirters, even if they make themselves squirt either with their hands or toys or having your fingers and / or dick massaging them. They can't fake that feeling of ecstasy.

So for all fellow mongers here, I enjoy your stories with the K agencies, (The Peppers, Mannies, Aces, and what have you), and the High End Super Expensive Fun Escorts, and the Low to High End Independent Masseuses).

Peace and keep fucking.[/QUOTE]Ah, yes. Finally, a refreshing post about rental pussy concerns instead of the usual drivel about political or COVID shit. Thank you for your attempt to steer this thread back to something of value.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5540026]Ah, yes. Finally, a refreshing post about rental pussy concerns instead of the usual drivel about political or COVID shit. Thank you for your attempt to steer this thread back to something of value.[/QUOTE]Ok, I admit to being one of the targets here. "Rental pussy" is a great and wonderful thing but unfortunately it IS related to COVID which HAS become a political issue.

There are those here who advocate behavior which is harmful to our public health and which are harming efforts to get this pandemic under control.

I, among others, will continue to encourage us to take responsibility for ourselves and our community. If that is drivel, just don't read it.

A recent study from the UK showed a 0. 8% COVID related death rate among vaccinated people.

The similar death rate among non-vaccinated people was 37%. You do the math.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/getting-fully-vaccinated-massively-reduces-your-chance-of-dying-from-covid-19-a-new-real-world-study-suggests/ar-AAOqnG9?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5542370]Ok, I admit to being one of the targets here. "Rental pussy" is a great and wonderful thing but unfortunately it IS related to COVID which HAS become a political issue.

There are those here who advocate behavior which is harmful to our public health and which are harming efforts to get this pandemic under control.

I, among others, will continue to encourage us to take responsibility for ourselves and our community. If that is drivel, just don't read it.

A recent study from the UK showed a 0. 8% COVID related death rate among vaccinated people.

The similar death rate among non-vaccinated people was 37%. You do the math.

[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/getting-fully-vaccinated-massively-reduces-your-chance-of-dying-from-covid-19-a-new-real-world-study-suggests/ar-AAOqnG9?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531[/URL][/QUOTE]I wasn't targeting anyone in particular with my post, and certainly not you, just tired of all the stupid drama about politics and vaccinations. I agree with your position on vaccinations and all the data supporting it, but don't agree with everyone here continuing to beat a long-dead horse. That goes for both sides. Trying to convince a stubborn fool to get vaccinated is like trying to teach a fart not to stink. Can't be done, so why bother?

This thread began life so guys could b!tch about pussy issues, but has morphed into something far removed. The relationship between COVID and pussy rental is minimal, so I suggest this thread get back to what it was originally intended to be: pussy-focused.

My neighbor died last week in a nursing home. She was having heart pain for over a week, but they can't find any hospital to take her because the hospitals are packed with Corvid people. Time for unvaccinated Corvid infected people to give some hospital space to people with other critical health issues.

[QUOTE=ILoveHo;5546370]My neighbor died last week in a nursing home. She was having heart pain for over a week, but they can't find any hospital to take her because the hospitals are packed with Corvid people. Time for unvaccinated Corvid infected people to give some hospital space to people with other critical health issues.[/QUOTE]My sympathies for your loss. This is occurring all across the country, but it hits harder when it happens in your family, circle of friends, or neighborhood.

Most of us saw this coming and did everything within our power to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. This sort of thing was preventable, but it is far too easy to refuse the vaccination, knowing that medical technology will save your sorry ass should you get sick.

To hell with the effect you are having on others! Denying hospital beds to non-vaccinated Covid patients sounds like a good idea, but it goes against the moral ideals of America, so we will not and should not do it.

But it sure is tempting.

I'm sorry for your loss as well, but you'll have to excuse my skepticism as to the real root cause. Just as we heard about the overflowing Oklahoma ER rooms from Ivermectin poisoning, which turned out to be completely false, we're also hearing about falsification of statistics and attempts to shame the unvaccinated:

[URL]https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/new-missouri-covid-whistleblower-hospitals-lying-public-covid-can-prove/[/URL]

As I've said before, there's clearly a concerted effort of disinformation, deceit, and censorship going on in the effort to further an agenda. The problem is once you start down that path, you lose all credibility and trust, so even when you say things that are true, you can't be trusted to be believed.

For ILoveHo, I'm not doubting your particular story or what you've been told, but none of us can possibly know the true stats behind that.

For Bullet, I'll repeat, you really need to eduate yourself further. Your Mayo link was almost laughable, with its claim to the vaccines helping to stop the spread of Covid totally unsupported. As I said before, just stating something doesn't make it so- you have to provide facts and a basis, and they did neither. Furthermore, the other statistics they provided regarding the vaccines were outdated and contradicted by the recent data and studies done in Israel and the UK, and even provided by the vaccine manufacturers themselves. You act like you're so knowledgeable and in a position to judge everyone, but in fact, you're quite ignorant on the matter and need to quit acting so pious and self-righteous.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5547354]My sympathies for your loss. This is occurring all across the country, but it hits harder when it happens in your family, circle of friends, or neighborhood.

Most of us saw this coming and did everything within our power to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible. This sort of thing was preventable, but it is far too easy to refuse the vaccination, knowing that medical technology will save your sorry ass should you get sick.

To hell with the effect you are having on others! Denying hospital beds to non-vaccinated Covid patients sounds like a good idea, but it goes against the moral ideals of America, so we will not and should not do it.

But it sure is tempting.[/QUOTE]

So the Mayo Clinic is not a reliable source of information, but the "Gateway Pundit" is? You cannot be serious.

Try a quick experiment. Go to your local hospital and check to see how many beds are being occupied by Covid patients and how many of them showed up unvaccinated. Then determine for yourself if a bed will be available for you or a loved one if / when the need arises.

Call me sanctimonious all you like. I just happen to believe that helping people avoid the virus in the first place should be our number one priority and that having hospital beds available for those with breakthrough cases should be a close second.

You seem to believe in neither, which I find to be a dangerous and arrogant state of mind. Hopefully it will not take someone you love dying of the disease to wake you up.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5550491]So the Mayo Clinic is not a reliable source of information, but the "Gateway Pundit" is? You cannot be serious.[/QUOTE]Yep, he's delusionary serious! The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right fake news website and is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories. Founded by Jim Hoft in 2004, The Gateway Pundit expanded from a one-person enterprise into a multi-employee operation that is supported primarily by advertising revenue.