Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

If the person seeking a reference is a member of this board I always thought it to be a better practice to contact me on here first, then I can do research on the person contacting me. If further info was needed then at that time I could go from there, instead of contacting a provider who probably won't contact me back anyway. There are other ways to verify someone rather than a provider reference, sometimes less time consuming as well.

[QUOTE=DNut;1997661]Instead of complaining which provider is or isn't returning phone calls, why don't providers just acknowledge a review when one is posted, specially by a newbie? Good review or bad review, a simple, "Thank you. I had a good time too.", or a "I'm sorry you didn't have a good time. I will work on the issues you brought up." will get you more repeat business that back channeling each other.

Also, if an established provider "taps" a newbie on the shoulder, anointing him, so to speak, it alerts other people that he is a legitimate, his reviews will carry more weight with other clients.

It's the same for senior members, mentioning that they have spent time with a new girl. When a senior verifies a provider with a public review, there is less jockeying and pushing as to who will risk taking one for the team.

Arguing a review is not permitted, but a simple "thank you" is always a welcome addition. When I see a provider do that, and even acknowledge some of the problems that might have been mentioned in the review, my respect for them goes up. Natti GFE did that when people complained about the neatness of her incall; she apologized, cleaned up, and things were better.[/QUOTE]

I did the same thing was sorry and promise it wouldn't happen again and asked for another chance we are all ham and all make mistakes I even asked for help on how to improve you won't no your messing up unless your told I appreciate the criticism thanks guys for making me relize and change my wrongs to rights thanks again guys!

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels;1996489]I know we have had this discussion before, and I'm starting a project called the Wall of Shame on my website. It's a list of providers who don't respond to reference requests. Ladies can post their experiences anonymously. Hopefully it will help us all with the issue of reliable references. I have a couple entries so far; I just need a few more before I update the table.

Wall of Shame.

[URL]www.mollydaniels.com/wall-of-shame.phtml[/URL]

Any feedback or help is appreciated.[/QUOTE]I think I'm the first to post on their but I posted sevearl names my personal opinion is business must be slow for them and their being stingy I for one always give a reference just because I'd want someone to give me the same in return we all should be working together and not against but then again this is a competitive job and not everyones as nice as dawn molly or myself.

[QUOTE=DNut;1997661]Instead of complaining which provider is or isn't returning phone calls, why don't providers just acknowledge a review when one is posted, specially by a newbie? Good review or bad review, a simple, "Thank you. I had a good time too.", or a "I'm sorry you didn't have a good time. I will work on the issues you brought up." will get you more repeat business that back channeling each other.

Also, if an established provider "taps" a newbie on the shoulder, anointing him, so to speak, it alerts other people that he is a legitimate, his reviews will carry more weight with other clients.

It's the same for senior members, mentioning that they have spent time with a new girl. When a senior verifies a provider with a public review, there is less jockeying and pushing as to who will risk taking one for the team.

Arguing a review is not permitted, but a simple "thank you" is always a welcome addition. When I see a provider do that, and even acknowledge some of the problems that might have been mentioned in the review, my respect for them goes up. Natti GFE did that when people complained about the neatness of her incall; she apologized, cleaned up, and things were better.[/QUOTE]When I get asked to provide references, I can run down a fairly long list, some of which I haven't reviewed on here. I've changed my style of writing reviews here because I've got a few that if I could, I'd retract for the following reasons:

Phone Hustling.

Panic Borrowing.

Specials.

I haven't been burned, just tired of the BS hustle where I'm now your crisis fix and that's not why we met. In true fashion this opens the doors to new experiences with others, plain and simple. But the mere mention of this site along with the well knowns I've seen are usually enough to trigger the acceptance of meeting. I know these reasons for requirements of needing these, other providers have given me the intel.

But I'm going to lay blame at my feet; I've tried out some of the not-so-popular providers and in true fashion the experiences are predictable. Moving along to warm and moist horizons.

[QUOTE=Admin2;1996670]So this is me, the guy, not the godlike presence on the forum with a question. I was working today and I saw this;.

I don't judge, I never do, whatever two consenting adults want to do is not only fine by me, but also none of my fucking business. It does seem to me that if one was into short, really, really heavy middle aged women, that one might just need to stop in at some honky tonk near any big trailer park and one could find pert near as many as one might want. Shit seems like you could do it by going to Wally World if no trailer parks were handy.

Believe me I'm behind the idea of how easy P4 P sex is, no drama, my terms, ect. One of my minimums though is if I'm going to give some chick some money, she needs to be hotter than I can normally pull by just buying her a drink. Or in this case walking up and asking her if she feels like fucking.

Somebody got to school me on this because I just don't get it.

A2.[/QUOTE]Here it is: Arnold Schwarzenegger. House maid.

[URL]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01899/Schwarzenegger_1899471c.jpg[/URL]

I lean towards the thicker non-attractive types. I like them like Arnold does. He was interviewed on the reasons why he didn't appreciate the beautiful ones. It's a comfort zone of sorts. I will test the dynamics of a spinner every now and then, some of the better looking ladies to see if the personalities jive with the looks. Being self confident is one thing but I want what looks like the women I interact with daily.

I'll admit, I've had relations with some very ugly looking women but I made their day (literally) and achieved nut. Feels good to make an unattractive woman catch a break every now and then, and some of them look pretty damn good with their clothes off. You can find about 3 million of them on Eroprofile, a bookmarked favorite of mine. Nothing better than the sleeper types where the plain looking woman strips down to be something one of a kind in beauty, and there are some really killer looking bodies attached to non-attractive faces, older, matures. The well known Lady Sonia; not a fan of her facial beauty but that woman is by all means a true cock artist. Not a bad body for 40-50+ and ya can't have it all when you're nearing those ages in women.

Two kinds of fat, I try to not bear witness to the ones that look like garbage bags full of wet clumpy grass. The buxom, curvaceous, voluptuous types even though hard to find, worth the time if it's your forte'. If Samantha 38G ever happens to visit this area I'll be sure to donate more than a few good times, or Southern Belle Claudia-Marie. Both porn stars but they occaisionally have fun with a select few of their fan base.

The heavier, non-attractive ones seem to appreciate the offerings a lot better than the ones that count on the expected desire to merge.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;1997195]Just an FYI if you are going to put a disclaimer on your ads for such things as not LE and not Entrapment, you might NOT want to list the services you offer. I have seen several girls do this, and it's like an oxymoron to list your services, but then put a disclaimer.[/QUOTE]NOT ONLY are such so-called legal disclaimers meaningless and therefore just plain dumb, they are also a waste of storage space.

I'm willing to bet that nearly every prosecutor in this country would introduce such silly legal disclaimers in their case-in-chief to show, at the very least, at least three of the four possible degrees of culpability, which are. . .

"purposely" acting with respect to a material element of the offense, that is, a person causes a result purposely if the result is her goal in doing the action that causes it. . .

"knowingly" acting with respect to a material element of the offense, that is, a person causes a result knowingly if she knows that the result is virtually certain to occur from the action she undertakes, and. . .

"recklessly" acting with respect to a material element of the offense, that is, when a person should be aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the material element exists or will result from her conduct.

Thus, in criminal law, if someone acts "purposely," they also act "knowingly," and if someone acts "knowingly," they also act "recklessly".

THE BOTTOM LINE is that posting those so-called legal disclaimers does nothing more than essentially prove that a person knows what they are doing is breaking the law. AND I SINCERELY BELIEVE it could work in reverse also to show / prove a MONGER's culpability if the Monger ever admitted to LE that he saw / read the provider's Ad (s).

I've always figured that a provider who posts such silly "jailhouse lawyer legal disclaimers" has little to no scruples whatsoever and, as a consequence, to the best of my knowledge, I have never (and will never) visit anyone that dumb. Yeah, sure, she may be able to suck a golf ball through a 100-feet garden hose in a matter of seconds but it's still NOT worth the risk to me -- meaning I believe that if she is that dense, then she is highly likely to be making other stupid decisions and mistakes that could ultimately lead to all kinds of undesirable and / or nasty results, none of which I want or need.

Providers Who Post "Jailhouse Lawyer Legal Disclaimers" Have No Common Sense, IMHO, and for that Reason Remain in My TOP 3 Rules for Why I "DO NOT PATRONIZE"!

[QUOTE=NdayGuy;1998071]So what was it that was NEAR her location? Was it the hotel that has a Police Station about a block away?[/QUOTE]Isn't this best sent as a pm? Why not a room number too at this point. I might want to see this lady, discretion. IMHO.

Thank you. This was an excellent post. I always thought those posts were useless but this is very educational as to why and that they are even worse than useless.

[QUOTE=SecretAgent007;1998024]NOT ONLY are such so-called legal disclaimers meaningless and therefore just plain dumb, they are also a waste of storage space.

I'm willing to bet that nearly every prosecutor in this country would introduce such silly legal disclaimers in their case-in-chief to show, at the very least, at least three of the four possible degrees of culpability, which are. . .

........

Providers Who Post "Jailhouse Lawyer Legal Disclaimers" Have No Common Sense, IMHO, and for that Reason Remain in My TOP 3 Rules for Why I "DO NOT PATRONIZE"![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Misbb;1998186]There are certain things that are best not put in a public forum and too much specifics on location is one of those things. I think there have been enough hints that we should leave it at that. I suggest you PM someone and ask if it is really important to know.[/QUOTE]My post was SARCASTIC. Anyone who partakes in the hobby, would recognize what was in the post INCLUDING the guys in the nearby establishment and I agree the original post should not have mentioned it.

I literally shit my pants ...I circled and almost just left town.

[QUOTE=ZackTy;1997608]LMAO at the "what was near location" Ha ha. I think the saying keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer rings the bell. Lmao Yeah, freaked me out the first time. I was like " you are fucking kidding right"? Would be a transportation saver! Just spilled my drink lmao![/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=NdayGuy;1998071]So what was it that was NEAR her location? Was it the hotel that has a Police Station about a block away?[/QUOTE]The police station is basically right next to her place, if you missed it.

Reasons I will give out refs.

1). A good Monger I know ask me to do so.

2). The provider asking me has more than one year of good reports here.

Reasons I will not.

1). I don't like to get involved with newbies.

2). I know some of these girls have never even logged onto USASG.

3). Too many aliases used by SW types to track.

4). I don't involve myself with girls who may have been busted.

*if your a client of mine and want to use me as a ref. Let me know its OK to share your info with?

Why don't I post the exact address? I didn't post location for a reason! Total newbie move! Never post things like that! Aren't you aware that uncle Leo is prolly hiding on this site or at least watching it? And you all wonder why some seniors only give intel via private message! Just one more reason I'm debating leaving this site and going utr. MF

[QUOTE=Thors;1999144]The police station is basically right next to her place, if you missed it.[/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=Thors;1999144]The police station is basically right next to her place, if you missed it.[/QUOTE]What the fudge? You just outed a provider. The town she lives in is known, her photo is posted, and now you basically just gave her GPS location. For what? Just to post something most people could assume by reading between the lines just so you can increase your post count? Duuuude. Not cool.

Natti, move. Move now. Move before you take another in call appt.

[QUOTE=DNut;1999533]What the fudge? You just outed a provider. The town she lives in is known, her photo is posted, and now you basically just gave her GPS location. For what? Just to post something most people could assume by reading between the lines just so you can increase your post count? Duuuude. Not cool.

Natti, move. Move now. Move before you take another in call appt.[/QUOTE]Some people are just too fucking stupid. I've seen Natti several times. She's totally cleaned up her act (and her incall). It's still cramped and not the Taj Mahal but it's cleaner. She was already planning on moving. I talked to her last night and she said she'll hopefully be relocated within a week. Hopefully LEO doesn't track her down between now and then. What the hell do people think sometimes?