Strip Club Reports

[QUOTE=Smyrnaguy1980]Has anyone been to boomers than can give me reason other than to see a naked girl to go? It's very, very close to my house so gas would be an advantage, but what about the talent and the extras? Any vip experience? I haven't been to boomers in about 8 years or so. Back then they at least still allowed lap dances, I know they don't now on the floor at least, just curious if anyone is willing to share info

On another note I know that Shay at shooters alley is a bit playful in their vip room.[/QUOTE]

Have not been there for awhile. But I have met a couple of 8-9 quality girls in other top clubs who came from Boomers. They are gorgeous. Boomers must have or had some outstanding talents. Most of the girls I met from there are mostly 18,19 yrs old. So their girls may be younger than other clubs. I am planning to go there with an ex-boomer girl (to get in free, I hope) and will let you know. First the county clamped down on their liquor license and they provide "great dances" to make up the liquor sale. Then the county clamped down on the dancing. Now, no liquor (not even brown bags) and no extras. A lot of their top talents have gone, but they may still have some.

[QUOTE=Pj2323]Anyone know anything about Pink Pony South?[/QUOTE]

Beautiful club (similar to the old Gold Club), great restaurant (expensive), 18 VIP rooms upstairs, Sushi bar, 3 stages, old and unfriendly door cashier, everybody gets hand searched and padded down to go in, usually around 25 girls (night shift) about 1 in 3 girls are black (some nice ones), average girl quality 5-8, nice clean wash rooms, cigarette machines dont work, very friendly floor managers, Ok waitress. Met a few grils recently who just left there because they cant make enough money. Terrible neighbourhood and very far from downtown. 50% customers white, 50% black. Same owner as Pink Pony, cracy horse, Gold Rush, Onyx. Part of Garlardi enterprise. Noticible police presense close by the club to check on drunk driver and speeding. Hope this help.

[QUOTE=Smyrnaguy1980]On another note I know that Shay at shooters alley is a bit playful in their vip room.[/QUOTE]Shay has been there for awhile, and she's a pretty sweet girl, all things considered. when my friends and I were hitting up SA lunchtime a year or two ago, she became one of my faves over there

[QUOTE=Acaryu]Beautiful club (similar to the old Gold Club), great restaurant (expensive), 18 VIP rooms upstairs, Sushi bar, 3 stages, old and unfriendly door cashier, everybody gets hand searched and padded down to go in, usually around 25 girls (night shift) about 1 in 3 girls are black (some nice ones), average girl quality 5-8, nice clean wash rooms, cigarette machines dont work, very friendly floor managers, Ok waitress. Met a few grils recently who just left there because they cant make enough money. Terrible neighbourhood and very far from downtown. 50% customers white, 50% black. Same owner as Pink Pony, cracy horse, Gold Rush, Onyx. Part of Garlardi enterprise. Noticible police presense close by the club to check on drunk driver and speeding. Hope this help.[/QUOTE]I thought it would be better than that. I did not realize the neighborhood was that bad. I do not live in atlanta, so I didn't know. Any extras?

I'm travailing to Atlanta next week. I'm hopping to hit a couple of clubs early in the week (tue & wed night). I have been researching and have come up with more questions than answers. I no the best bet will be to go The VIP route. But what club will offer me a safe environment, but still go the extra mile and make my experience extra special? I'm staying in the Buckhead area. There seems to be lots of options around there. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Bull Dog210

[QUOTE=Bull Dog210]But what club will offer me a safe environment, but still go the extra mile and make my experience extra special? I'm staying in the Buckhead area. [/QUOTE]It kind of depends on what you mean by "safe environment", but my best guess is that oasis is most likely best going to serve you.

PLEASE RTFF

[QUOTE=Bull Dog210]I'm travailing to Atlanta next week. I'm hopping to hit a couple of clubs early in the week (tue & wed night). I have been researching and have come up with more questions than answers. I no the best bet will be to go The VIP route. But what club will offer me a safe environment, but still go the extra mile and make my experience extra special? I'm staying in the Buckhead area. There seems to be lots of options around there. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Bull Dog210[/QUOTE]

Yeah bulldog , they also have a strip club list too, but with one post you need to do some digging also.

Is Cheetah's VIP completely private?

Closed Door?

How about the Pink Pony and Follies?

Thanks

[QUOTE=Bull Dog210]Is Cheetah's VIP completely private?

Closed Door?

How about the Pink Pony and Follies?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

None of them have closed-door VIP... well, unless Cheetah's changed recently, I haven't been there in a while.

Pink Pony VIP rooms are pretty open actually. Follies has one "common" VIP room and a couple of smaller rooms with beaded curtains... it *is* possible to have a FS experience at Follies.

24K had VIP rooms with a sturdy curtain, so while it isn't a closed door it does, in principle, offer total line-of-sight block. 24K is closed for remodeling now, though, so not sure how that might change - it's always been pretty much a FS VIP club, though.

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias]None of them have closed-door VIP... well, unless Cheetah's changed recently, I haven't been there in a while.

Pink Pony VIP rooms are pretty open actually. Follies has one "common" VIP room and a couple of smaller rooms with beaded curtains... it *is* possible to have a FS experience at Follies.

24K had VIP rooms with a sturdy curtain, so while it isn't a closed door it does, in principle, offer total line-of-sight block. 24K is closed for remodeling now, though, so not sure how that might change - it's always been pretty much a FS VIP club, though.

O.[/QUOTE]

I think with these clubs, with the right amount of $$$$$, anything can be had.

[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I think with these clubs, with the right amount of $$$$$, anything can be had.[/QUOTE]Exactly why i stopped doing strip clubs back in early 2000 something.

[QUOTE=Astor Bryan]I think with these clubs, with the right amount of $$$$$, anything can be had.[/QUOTE]

Yes, of course.

It's funny, people seem to think Cheetah, because it's upscale, somehow is bad for "playtime". Yet the most of the strippers I've fucked for free (as fuck buddies, "girlfriends", hook-ups, whatever) have been Cheetah girls. Those are your true party girls, right there ;)

O.

So as it stands, Folley is more private, Cheetah has possibly a racier caliber of dancer.
How busy is Cheetah on a Tuesday night? I know the clubs arround KC are pretty slow.

Are the girls at Cheetah of higher caliber than at Folley, on a tuesday night. I'm not talking spicifically but in general terms. Acording to all the reviews Cheetah appears to have the higest quality ladies as far as looks are concerned.

Are extra reports more previoant at either club? I am aware that this is subjective, just looking for opinions.

LOL....I couldn't agree more....I'm back in town, and was last night at Cheetah's for the Battle of the girls...it was great...



[QUOTE=Ozymandias]Yes, of course.

It's funny, people seem to think Cheetah, because it's upscale, somehow is bad for "playtime". Yet the most of the strippers I've fucked for free (as fuck buddies, "girlfriends", hook-ups, whatever) have been Cheetah girls. Those are your true party girls, right there ;)

O.[/QUOTE]

With a Wing man or Solo that is the question.

How do you go to clubs with or without a buddy?

Are girls more eager to approach a couple of guys at a table or is a stand alone the best route?

What are our experiences?

In my personal opinion either way is fine...normally during day shift Solo, at nights then definitely wing man or more as it looks weird that at nights your by yourself... but I normally hang Solo unless i"m entertaining customers...

[QUOTE=Bull Dog210]With a Wing man or Solo that is the question.

How do you go to clubs with or without a buddy?

Are girls more eager to approach a couple of guys at a table or is a stand alone the best route?

What are our experiences?[/QUOTE]

If there is a stripper/dancer that you like but she is not coming to you and asking for a dance,how do you approach her? Also if a dancer you do not like comes and sits near you while you are waiting for the one you like ,how do you get rid of the one you don't like?(Is there a nice way?)

How and when do you ask about extras in the VIP room?

I always thought it was a bit creepy to see a dude by himself at a club, and assumed that the girls would also be less comfy in such a situation, but after many years of only going in groups, I would occasionally find myself in town around rush hour and would drop by clubs on the solo until I could head back up north at full speed. I had a lot of luck scoring good VIPs during this time, but it's worth noting that I was already a regular at the clubs (follies and Shooter Alley primarily) and the girls usually already knew me, and had hung out with my friends and I previously, so it's not saying much.

[QUOTE=Bull Dog210]With a Wing man or Solo that is the question.

How do you go to clubs with or without a buddy?

Are girls more eager to approach a couple of guys at a table or is a stand alone the best route?

What are our experiences?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Tummy Sangs]If there is a stripper/dancer that you like but she is not coming to you and asking for a dance,how do you approach her? [/QUOTE]It's usually best to catch her on stage, tip her, and ask her to swing by your table. If she still doesn't swing by, you probably weren't going to enjoy her company anyway. If you don't want (or have time) to wait for her set, just casually interrupt her and ask her to swing by your table when she has a moment. If she is by herself, just flag her over, or go over and sit/stand next to her and ask her name and start chatting.

[QUOTE=Tummy Sangs]Also if a dancer you do not like comes and sits near you while you are waiting for the one you like ,how do you get rid of the one you don't like?(Is there a nice way?)[/QUOTE]Squatters are a real annoyance, and it's up to you how to handle it. The fact is, there is no completely polite way to handle the problem. My favorite way is to make casual conversation about the girls you are looking to get dances from. you could always tip a girl on stage you are interested in, and let her know you want her to come over even if someone is squatting, and usually the girl will come, you'll get a dance/conversation/VIP or whatever, and the squatter will go somewhere else. Whatever you do, don't forget that the squatter was rude first, by making it harder for you to get what you want. This tactic makes it so that people who are uncomfortable being slightly impolite spend their money on the squatter, just don't put up with it.

[QUOTE=Tummy Sangs]How and when do you ask about extras in the VIP room?[/QUOTE]This is the hardest thing to do. If you are going to wait until you are IN the VIP, you will pay more money than otherwise most of the time, but you will also get extras from a wider range of girls that way. A problem is, you will find girls who aren't interested in giving extras, and the whole VIP experience will be worse off if try to take it up once you are back there. If i'm looking for extras, I will often make it very clear before I VIP, and negotiate on the floor. When a girl asks me if I want to VIP, I usually start with a line like "no thanks, I'm not interested in paying that much money for blue balls" or something that makes it clear that you'd be interested if there were options on the menu. this gives the good girls a clear, polite indication that you aren't interested, and the naughty girls a chance to convince you they are worth it.

Lots of people make the argument that "there are no good girls" and "anything is available for a price", If you take this attitude, you are going to score some raunchy shit, but you are also going to end up in some embarrassing predicaments. I've found the best policy is to use humor to make what you are looking for obvious before you pay for a VIP. There are certainly clubs where there really aren't any "good girls", but in general, you're gambling if you assume thats the case when you don't already know it.

Happy clubbing!

[QUOTE=WindowLicker]Shay has been there for awhile, and she's a pretty sweet girl, all things considered. when my friends and I were hitting up SA lunchtime a year or two ago, she became one of my faves over there[/QUOTE]She was one of my faves too. Sat with me one Friday when things weren't going so well.

I went there on Friday and it seemed like I didn't know any of the girls in there. Anyone seen Zoey, Poison, Gia or Shay lately? Did they have some turnover?

And what the hell happened to Rooster's? It actually looks like a real club, nit the sh*thole it once was.

Just wanted to toss in my two cents on the subject but i don't think there is a clear answer myself.

When I go with buddies or a wingman usually my attention is split between being social with my buddy and watching the ladies/getting dances. So when I go with someone I am rarely going with the plan to head to VIP or go for more than a table dance.
However that said, I have been know to excuse myself from my buddy and head to VIP if the mood stuck or the lady was being espcially frisky...but then I assume my buddy will entertin himself and save our table till ig et back (and vice versa if he goes VIP)

As far as going solo, it not the being solo that creeps the ladies out. Its how you are dressed and behaved that does.
If you are enjoying the music, watching the ladies, tipping as you see fit and making playful eye contact, then you can have a great night soloing and the girl will be very comfortable with you.
If you sit in the corner and stare at the girl like she was a tv with a blank look on your face (or worse like a wolf at an injured lamb), then you are not going to have a good night.

With many of my friends being married lately or my work taking me on the road, I tend to go solo more than anything.

Now if I had a good Wingman at my hip I would be all in for a night like that as well.

Not sure where to post this. But I was wondering if anyone has gone to trapeeze before? Id like to try it. Its 100 plus 45 or 75 depending on the day if your a single male. Id kill for some input on the kinda ladies and everything.

[QUOTE=WindowLicker]It's usually best to catch her on stage, tip her, and ask her to swing by your table. If she still doesn't swing by, you probably weren't going to enjoy her company anyway. If you don't want (or have time) to wait for her set, just casually interrupt her and ask her to swing by your table when she has a moment. If she is by herself, just flag her over, or go over and sit/stand next to her and ask her name and start chatting.

Squatters are a real annoyance, and it's up to you how to handle it. The fact is, there is no completely polite way to handle the problem. My favorite way is to make casual conversation about the girls you are looking to get dances from. you could always tip a girl on stage you are interested in, and let her know you want her to come over even if someone is squatting, and usually the girl will come, you'll get a dance/conversation/VIP or whatever, and the squatter will go somewhere else. Whatever you do, don't forget that the squatter was rude first, by making it harder for you to get what you want. This tactic makes it so that people who are uncomfortable being slightly impolite spend their money on the squatter, just don't put up with it.

This is the hardest thing to do. If you are going to wait until you are IN the VIP, you will pay more money than otherwise most of the time, but you will also get extras from a wider range of girls that way. A problem is, you will find girls who aren't interested in giving extras, and the whole VIP experience will be worse off if try to take it up once you are back there. If i'm looking for extras, I will often make it very clear before I VIP, and negotiate on the floor. When a girl asks me if I want to VIP, I usually start with a line like "no thanks, I'm not interested in paying that much money for blue balls" or something that makes it clear that you'd be interested if there were options on the menu. this gives the good girls a clear, polite indication that you aren't interested, and the naughty girls a chance to convince you they are worth it.

Lots of people make the argument that "there are no good girls" and "anything is available for a price", If you take this attitude, you are going to score some raunchy shit, but you are also going to end up in some embarrassing predicaments. I've found the best policy is to use humor to make what you are looking for obvious before you pay for a VIP. There are certainly clubs where there really aren't any "good girls", but in general, you're gambling if you assume thats the case when you don't already know it.

Happy clubbing![/QUOTE]Awesome information.

Thanks a bunch.Let me try it and hopefully it will work.:)

Strip club related but not Atlanta. I think you will be amused.

I used to travel to Toronto Ontario regularly where the strip clubs are way more "relaxed" than around here. No parking ccharge, no cover charge, no stage tipping required and really fun VIP rooms. Also the girls are more laid back and will actually talk to you without presuring for more. I was at a club one night and saw a dancer on stage I thought would be awesome in the VIP. She left the stage and walked by my table. I made eye contact and she came over and sat with me. We talked for about 15 minutes. I actually had to ask her to do the VIP thing with me. We start to walk upstairs and she asked me if I needed another drink as she wanted one herself. I said sure fulle expecting to buy her a drink. We go to the bar, she orders a beer for herself and one for me and proceeds to tell the bartender to put both on her tab. I was shocked! (pleasantly). We proceed to the VIP area. She starts dancing and immediately off come her clothes. My hands are encouraged to do as they please with no limits. Next thing she does is undo my pants and pull them around my ankles. She proceeds to make sure my experience is completely satisfying, all this in a fairly crowded room. I actually ordered another beer from the waitress while this was happening. Finally at the end we were both dressing and I asked how much I owed which was the first time money was mentioned. Her response was "whatever you think is fair" I lost track of the songs guessing it was about 5 which would have been $100. 00. Keeping in mind the exemplary performance I offered $140. 00 which she happily accepted. I miss Canada

[QUOTE=George Sims]Not sure where to post this. But I was wondering if anyone has gone to trapeeze before? Id like to try it. Its 100 plus 45 or 75 depending on the day if your a single male. Id kill for some input on the kinda ladies and everything.[/QUOTE]

A waste of time, if you're a single guy. Most swinger clubs rank single guys lower than Cockroaches.

[QUOTE=Bull Dog210]With a Wing man or Solo that is the question.

How do you go to clubs with or without a buddy?

Are girls more eager to approach a couple of guys at a table or is a stand alone the best route?

What are our experiences?[/QUOTE]

In my humble opinion, these are the important factors:
1. how much money you have? How desperate is the girl?
2. Are you a tall handsome Pitt Brad type of guys?
3. Are you a good talker?
4. How busy is the club?

If you are really good at 2 and 3, there are plenty of free ones you can get to take out. A buddy or not is immaterial. Dont waste your time worrying about it. Have fun.

HAHAHA....well said....I'm totally number 3...no Brad Pitt for sure....Short, overweight, but not bad looking though....

Is all about playing the cards right and showing confidence mate...nothing more nor less...

I like day shift as girls tend to be more friendly and there are less customers...right after lunch time is even better...you can have lunch with them, get friendly, make them laugh, tip them at the stage, get a couple od dance...by then you should know if VIP would be good or not...some girls like the naughty boy attitude, others the respectful one...you have to play to what they like the same way they do it with you...and every now and then you will find a diamond that all you have to do is polish and be smart enough to get what you want, but make her thing is what she wants to give you....capito??

[QUOTE=Acaryu]In my humble opinion, these are the important factors:
1. how much money you have? How desperate is the girl?
2. Are you a tall handsome Pitt Brad type of guys?
3. Are you a good talker?
4. How busy is the club?

If you are really good at 2 and 3, there are plenty of free ones you can get to take out. A buddy or not is immaterial. Dont waste your time worrying about it. Have fun.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinGod]HAHAHA....well said....I'm totally number 3...no Brad Pitt for sure....Short, overweight, but not bad looking though....

Is all about playing the cards right and showing confidence mate...nothing more nor less...

I like day shift as girls tend to be more friendly and there are less customers...right after lunch time is even better...you can have lunch with them, get friendly, make them laugh, tip them at the stage, get a couple od dance...by then you should know if VIP would be good or not...some girls like the naughty boy attitude, others the respectful one...you have to play to what they like the same way they do it with you...and every now and then you will find a diamond that all you have to do is polish and be smart enough to get what you want, but make her thing is what she wants to give you....capito??[/QUOTE]

Be careful, LatinGod. A lot of day shift girls go home after work to their boyfriends. Agree with you on that there are less busy at the day shift. If you shaft their girlfriends, some of their BFs carry 45's.
By the way, with the way you are going, you will soon own Dubois diamond company in no time. I dont know who is polishing who. HaHaHa.

Thanks for the advice...I always try to come find out before hand while we are having a nice conversation with things like: "WHoaa your boyfriend probably loves your eyes" or "Oh my your boyfriend must be a very nice guy that shares you with other guys in here..does he ever comes and see you??" or "haha...so your boyfriend can actually say I make out (or bang or fuck or something along the lines) a Pink Pony (or Cheetah, or Follies) girl!!!" and they open up to whether they do have one or not...by their answer...of course it could be just a lie still, but nonetheless it keeps things fresh...

[QUOTE=Acaryu]Be careful, LatinGod. A lot of day shift girls go home after work to their boyfriends. Agree with you on that there are less busy at the day shift. If you shaft their girlfriends, some of their BFs carry 45's.
By the way, with the way you are going, you will soon own Dubois diamond company in no time. I dont know who is polishing who. HaHaHa.[/QUOTE]

Plus...take out is more enjoyable at 8:00 PM (shift ends) than at 4:00 am (ready to go home and crash or maybe been dealing with drunks all night), instead take her for dinner and then to the hotel or home...it's your call...

;)

[QUOTE=Acaryu]Be careful, LatinGod. A lot of day shift girls go home after work to their boyfriends. Agree with you on that there are less busy at the day shift. If you shaft their girlfriends, some of their BFs carry 45's.
By the way, with the way you are going, you will soon own Dubois diamond company in no time. I dont know who is polishing who. HaHaHa.[/QUOTE]

And well, sometimes you find this diamond that you want to keep for yourself and not share with anyone and the other way around... my ATF and I are getting a lot closer, so not sure I'll quit the playground, but may slow down a little bit...she just got a "real job" and may quit her dancer job, so we can see each other over the weekends and at nights instead of the Club...but in the real world...

[QUOTE=Acaryu]By the way, with the way you are going, you will soon own Dubois diamond company in no time. I dont know who is polishing who. HaHaHa.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LatinGod]Plus...take out is more enjoyable at 8:00 PM (shift ends) than at 4:00 am (ready to go home and crash or maybe been dealing with drunks all night), instead take her for dinner and then to the hotel or home...it's your call...

;)[/QUOTE]

The club wont let the dancers leave with the customers in general. I used to meet them across the street or in a nearby gas station. She has to pay a $5 taxi ride across the street. The taxi people dont like it because they have to line at the back again at the club. Do you have a better scheme?

Guys

Will be travellingo to Atlanta next week. Can you give me some suggestions on the clubs to hit and miss and which offer the best vip expierence?

PM's welcome

[QUOTE=George Sims]Not sure where to post this. But I was wondering if anyone has gone to trapeeze before? Id like to try it. Its 100 plus 45 or 75 depending on the day if your a single male. Id kill for some input on the kinda ladies and everything.[/QUOTE]

Not Trapeze, but there is another swing club in town that has once-a-month daytime events just for single guys. There is one scheduled lady there handling all *cummers* and usually a few others show up too, usually as part of a couple, but they often play with others. Once I was there and did three ladies in the space of about an hour (one of them Greek).

Last month I took my hot blond fucktoy friend that I met on Craig's List (Casual Encounters) and she played with the lady for a while, before adjourning to a private room for some quality time with me, and later with me and another guy (and she's most likely cumming again with me this month).

I'm not going to mention this club's name publicly. Nor will I tell anyone but *trusted* members by PM. So don't bother asking if you don't have a track record.

You just go to the clubs and spend money. If you are tipping dancers on-stage and getting table/lap dances the girls won't think anything other than you're just a guy there to see some t&a. When I patronized strip clubs heavily I was always alone and the dancers would typically come to me because they saw I was tipping on-stage and getting dances from other dancers. Money talks so as as long as you got it to spend these girls don't give a crap if you're solo or with a group of guys. Heck if you're with a group of guys, but aren't spending money they'd rather you not be there. I've heard dancers say that before about group of guys sitting around chatting and not getting dances and stuff which pisses them off.

[QUOTE=Bull Dog210]With a Wing man or Solo that is the question.

How do you go to clubs with or without a buddy?

Are girls more eager to approach a couple of guys at a table or is a stand alone the best route?

What are our experiences?[/QUOTE]

Normally will scout the surroundings and see where we can meet afterwards...I've gotten in trouble at a couple of the clubs because the girls technically meet me just outside...but they know I'm a good customer so they have to eat it...but would normally meet them across the street or a place near by...

[QUOTE=Acaryu]The club wont let the dancers leave with the customers in general. I used to meet them across the street or in a nearby gas station. She has to pay a $5 taxi ride across the street. The taxi people dont like it because they have to line at the back again at the club. Do you have a better scheme?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ren Man]Not Trapeze, but there is another swing club in town that has once-a-month daytime events just for single guys. There is one scheduled lady there handling all *cummers* and usually a few others show up too, usually as part of a couple, but they often play with others. Once I was there and did three ladies in the space of about an hour (one of them Greek).

Last month I took my hot blond fucktoy friend that I met on Craig's List (Casual Encounters) and she played with the lady for a while, before adjourning to a private room for some quality time with me, and later with me and another guy (and she's most likely cumming again with me this month).

I'm not going to mention this club's name publicly. Nor will I tell anyone but *trusted* members by PM. So don't bother asking if you don't have a track record.[/QUOTE]Yes, Littlewings. Near ClubWax

Just got back from the O.
Was hearing from some of the dancers that it was a slow night.
Well... none of the really nice looking ones came up to me asking if i wanted a dance. Even when i tipped them on stage asking them to come to my table after they were finished. Of course they all said ok, but i've got to be honest, none of the three i asked actually came by. If it was that slow... i was sure looking to spend a little money. lol

By the way, there was a dancer there named "fay" tonight. She walked up to me and said "hi! do you remember me?". I said "no... i dont think i remember you". She kept insisting that i knew her. Then evertime i asked her where i knew her from, she wouldn't say. and would shake her head in disappointment. Then there was this huge akward silence afterwards. Then she just keeps looking at me and says "you wanna goto VIP?". Then she keeps staring and after a while says "i'm just going to keep looking at you until you take me to VIP".

With an approach like hers, there's NO WAY i'm taking her to VIP.

Well Thunderhead, it was a good deal while it lasted. When it gets all fucked up now, we know who to blame. The info is already on this board for those who take the time to research it. But you just told every lazy-ass lurker.

I might just stop telling anybody anything.