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My recommendation to people reading this forum is to do what I do. Take a tape recorder with you everywhere. Do not say anything other than, "you are being recorded." You are not required to answer any questions. Ever.

Seeing an escort is not illegal. Going to a massage therapist is not illegal. Driving on OBT is not illegal. Remember, you are a lot smarter than a LEO. Do not be intimidated when you have done nothing wrong.

When these LE assholes who have nothing better to do ask questions here or via PM, let them know exactly what you think of them. If any of you have ever been a victim of a crime in Central Florida you know firsthand how worthless these poor excuse for police are. Want respect. Earn it assholes.

It is unfortunate that they arrest people without enough evidence. I remember there was a discussion about this in Orlando forum.
I even said we should be compensated for damages of wrongful use of power!
J
P.S.
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=674074#post674074[/url]
I remember posting that I should be compensated for the damages of LEO's accusations! I can't find it!
[QUOTE=Exec Talent]My recommendation to people reading this forum is to do what I do. Take a tape recorder with you everywhere. Do not say anything other than, "you are being recorded." You are not required to answer any questions. Ever.

Seeing an escort is not illegal. Going to a massage therapist is not illegal. Driving on OBT is not illegal. Remember, you are a lot smarter than a LEO. Do not be intimidated when you have done nothing wrong.

When these LE assholes who have nothing better to do ask questions here or via PM, let them know exactly what you think of them. If any of you have ever been a victim of a crime in Central Florida you know firsthand how worthless these poor excuse for police are. Want respect. Earn it assholes.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]My recommendation to people reading this forum is to do what I do. Take a tape recorder with you everywhere. Do not say anything other than, "you are being recorded." You are not required to answer any questions. Ever.
[/QUOTE]E T is right - "Nobody talks Everybody walks"

Say nothing. Answer no questions - Except your name and your address (I think you ARE required to present a drivers license and to verify that it really is you and that you do own the car - but I am not sure). Then shut up.

Do NOT agree to searches of your car. You do not know if your last passenger left you a little present. Providers are absent minded (theyre crack heads !!) - they leave stuff behind all the time - mostly combs and lighters. Hopefully the cops dont find something incriminating like a crack pipe.

Say nothing - you are not required to answer questions such as "what are you doing in this neighborhood?" As soon as you start talking, then you start going down a slippery slope.

I am not an attorney - this is from what Ive read. Read Jacksons FAQ (22 Points / Questions)

[QUOTE=Torlando]I just returned from Vegas and I think it’s important I tell this story in the event you find yourself in a similar situation. I contacted a female off CL Vegas. .. Obviously I didn’t want the cops to come but informed her I already had called the police to report an assault (I didn’t really call the cops). [/QUOTE]She knows you wont call the cops.

Many providers would risk a beating to rip you off. Or they go to great lengths and get involved in elaborate schemes.

I am amazed at the lengths these girls will go to to avoid having sex. The hard work they do. It would be easier to give the client a CBJ or CFS and just lay there. It's over in 5-20 minutes.

Yes that is how it should and it is the best thing you could do to yourself:
[QUOTE=Cenflamonger]E T is right - "Nobody talks Everybody walks"[/QUOTE]
This was a real good video:
[url]http://iwantmylawyer.org/busted.html[/url] (with different scenarios)
I wish someone can find it.
Even if things go to the extreme and the mother-fu?ker Leo charges you with any bogus charge (obstructing justice, lying to an officer while conducting an investiagtion, ...etc.) for keeping your mouth shut as they did to me. Also, if the girl does not talk that will help more.
The problem is "there are not enough of smart human right lawyers". There should be a mechanism to scare officers of arresting people.
J
Found the official site
[url]http://www.flexyourrights.org/[/url]

[QUOTE=Cenflamonger]E T is right - "Nobody talks Everybody walks"

Say nothing. Answer no questions - Except your name and your address (I think you ARE required to present a drivers license and to verify that it really is you and that you do own the car - but I am not sure). Then shut up.

Do NOT agree to searches of your car. You do not know if your last passenger left you a little present. Providers are absent minded (theyre crack heads !!) - they leave stuff behind all the time - mostly combs and lighters. Hopefully the cops dont find something incriminating like a crack pipe.

Say nothing - you are not required to answer questions such as "what are you doing in this neighborhood?" As soon as you start talking, then you start going down a slippery slope.

I am not an attorney - this is from what Ive read. Read Jacksons FAQ (22 Points / Questions)[/QUOTE]I do not believe that ALL providers are crackheads. Because I know that I definitely am a drug & alcohol free provider.

I first posted this in response to some comments in another thread and then thought it needed to be displayed in this thread where there is less chance it will get lost in the shuffle. Additionally I posted some more info at the end of this report that was not on the original report.--VS

I suppose a lot of guys don't realize that the Ladies cannot answer questions on the phone or in person relating to sex in relation with money or anything of value.

Questions they cannot answer include: Are you GFE?, Do you do BBBJ?, Do I need to bring Protection?, Do you do fetishes? Is anal on the menu? If I only want Oral can I get it for less? Are half hours available? (She could answer this but why? if it's available it will be in the ad) I'm sure I missed some but you should get the point. The girls that I know for a long time have to deal with this stupidity on a daily basis, I have been there when their on the phone and they are rolling their eyes and shaking their head while trying to avoid another stupid question without pissing the guy off, it's a tough thing to do.

I'm going to caps for emphasis not screaming: GENTLEMAN, THE GIRLS CANNOT ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS ON THE PHONE OR IN PERSON BECAUSE IF IT IS RECORDED IT CAN BE USED AS EVIDENCE IF THEY ARE ARRESTED--I CANNOT MAKE IT MORE CLEAR!

The phone is strictly to make an appointment, nothing else. If you are not willing to take a risk, don't call. There are no guarantees even with stellar reviews, sometimes it doesn't work between two people sometimes it's amazing---a roll of the dice. I view it as a cost of doing business, sometimes it's OK, sometimes its AMAZING and everything in between, sometimes your surprised and sometimes disappointed but most of the time it's fine even without the answers to all the questions . Personally I won't see a girl who is vulgar and graphic in her ad's or who advertises 24/7 and promises she is the best this or that and does amazing**** or some such, because I know exactly what I'm dealing with and usually it's an addict, my experience tells me this and rarely am I wrong and when I am I'll tell you about it.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
MANY GUYS get really pissed when a girl does not answer his second call after he made an appointment, sometimes it's a screw-up in a schedule but many times YOU have said something or asked a dumb question that after they think about it they decide that they are too unsure to see you. In other words you scared them!

THE CLASSY GUY introduces himself, states where he saw their ad and asks for an appointment at a certain time, If that time is unavailable she will usually offer an alternative and if it is acceptable she will tell you to call her 15-30 min before you arrive and she will bring you to the vicinity of her in-call and probably have you call for the final destination. If you handle the calls well usually everything is fine, if you rattle her along the way your chances are 50/50.

On the same subject, MEN stand up the WOMEN as well. The same mental process goes on for the men, Is it a sting? are her pictures real? Her voice sounded a little funny is something going on? Will she answer my re-call? etc.etc. So if you get cold feet a simple phone call canceling the appointment is in order, she will greatly appreciate it. Most girls have a simple system they use and if you ditch them you will not get a second appointment( now you know why you can never reach her.) If your going to be late --call, it is a simple courtesy--just do it. If a girl has 2 appts 2 hrs apart and you show a half hr. late and stay the full hr. you have not given her enough time to shower and re-do her makeup, hair etc. sooooo she has to stall the second guy and so it goes throughout the day messing up the whole schedule. I hope y'all take what I've said to heart, I've had the opportunity with some of my friends to see it from the other side and I have a new appreciation for the providers side of the game.

On the subject of tips: Most good providers don't ask or require anything other than their fee. If you have had a great experience a little something extra validates her extraordinary efforts and I can guarantee you that if you do you will get preference over the next guy if there is a scheduling choice she has to make.

If you go away and think WOW that was amazing and you can't wait to go back then on your return a small present goes a long way, these woman aren't robots they are Women first and love to be appreciated as we all do. I know some of you will read this and have a hundred different opinions on my comments, sooooo. Do what you want to do but think about what I've said----VS

[QUOTE=VerySlowly]I first posted this in response to some comments in another thread and then thought it needed to be displayed in this thread where there is less chance it will get lost in the shuffle. Additionally I posted some more info at the end of this report that was not on the original report.--VS

I suppose a lot of guys don't realize that the Ladies cannot answer questions on the phone or in person relating to sex in relation with money or anything of value.

Questions they cannot answer include: Are you GFE?, Do you do BBBJ?, Do I need to bring Protection?, Do you do fetishes? Is anal on the menu? If I only want Oral can I get it for less? Are half hours available? (She could answer this but why? if it's available it will be in the ad) I'm sure I missed some but you should get the point. The girls that I know for a long time have to deal with this stupidity on a daily basis, I have been there when their on the phone and they are rolling their eyes and shaking their head while trying to avoid another stupid question without pissing the guy off, it's a tough thing to do.

I'm going to caps for emphasis not screaming: GENTLEMAN, THE GIRLS CANNOT ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS ON THE PHONE OR IN PERSON BECAUSE IF IT IS RECORDED IT CAN BE USED AS EVIDENCE IF THEY ARE ARRESTED--I CANNOT MAKE IT MORE CLEAR!

The phone is strictly to make an appointment, nothing else. If you are not willing to take a risk, don't call. There are no guarantees even with stellar reviews, sometimes it doesn't work between two people sometimes it's amazing---a roll of the dice. I view it as a cost of doing business, sometimes it's OK, sometimes its AMAZING and everything in between, sometimes your surprised and sometimes disappointed but most of the time it's fine even without the answers to all the questions . Personally I won't see a girl who is vulgar and graphic in her ad's or who advertises 24/7 and promises she is the best this or that and does amazing**** or some such, because I know exactly what I'm dealing with and usually it's an addict, my experience tells me this and rarely am I wrong and when I am I'll tell you about it.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
MANY GUYS get really pissed when a girl does not answer his second call after he made an appointment, sometimes it's a screw-up in a schedule but many times YOU have said something or asked a dumb question that after they think about it they decide that they are too unsure to see you. In other words you scared them!

THE CLASSY GUY introduces himself, states where he saw their ad and asks for an appointment at a certain time, If that time is unavailable she will usually offer an alternative and if it is acceptable she will tell you to call her 15-30 min before you arrive and she will bring you to the vicinity of her in-call and probably have you call for the final destination. If you handle the calls well usually everything is fine, if you rattle her along the way your chances are 50/50.

On the same subject, MEN stand up the WOMEN as well. The same mental process goes on for the men, Is it a sting? are her pictures real? Her voice sounded a little funny is something going on? Will she answer my re-call? etc.etc. So if you get cold feet a simple phone call canceling the appointment is in order, she will greatly appreciate it. Most girls have a simple system they use and if you ditch them you will not get a second appointment( now you know why you can never reach her.) If your going to be late --call, it is a simple courtesy--just do it. If a girl has 2 appts 2 hrs apart and you show a half hr. late and stay the full hr. you have not given her enough time to shower and re-do her makeup, hair etc. sooooo she has to stall the second guy and so it goes throughout the day messing up the whole schedule. I hope y'all take what I've said to heart, I've had the opportunity with some of my friends to see it from the other side and I have a new appreciation for the providers side of the game.

On the subject of tips: Most good providers don't ask or require anything other than their fee. If you have had a great experience a little something extra validates her extraordinary efforts and I can guarantee you that if you do you will get preference over the next guy if there is a scheduling choice she has to make.

If you go away and think WOW that was amazing and you can't wait to go back then on your return a small present goes a long way, these woman aren't robots they are Women first and love to be appreciated as we all do. I know some of you will read this and have a hundred different opinions on my comments, sooooo. Do what you want to do but think about what I've said----VS[/QUOTE]Finally, someone who understands! As some of you may know, I am a lady of very few words. Grand silence and keen observation is key in my eyes, but this deserved a response from me.

I am very proud of this and hope gentlemen will read, understand, and abide by the guidelines which you have here bought forth. I think if I get one more call inquiring about info already provided in an ad I'll scream.

But again, I, and I'm sure all other providers here will agree, believe this is a sound display of consideration and appreciation for us and in turn enables us to be of great service to you.

Yours truly,

Audrey

For me the call goes beyond setting an appointment. When I call it's not only because I want to know more info. I am trying to get a taste of who you are. Be very polite and deal with respect also keep in mind it is legal to hire an escort/an adult entertainer/masseur. Example; I called a very gorgeous girl the other day and she said "All what you need to know is in my ad" then hung up. Though she is extremely gorgeous I did not call her back. If she has an attitude over the phone how would she be when I see her?
Another thing the call could also be to verify that your pictures are real and recent.
When calling the number, ask if these are real pictures of the girl. Any answer other than yes creates doubts. But this is a question designed to lead up to the admonition. Your next move? Tell the person on the phone (politely) that it would be a new deal if she is a fake girl…a) you won’t give her a dime for carfare if you did not like her…b) you’ll be exposing them c) if you like her you could have a new deal of course less than the original one
Don’t say it belligerently! Simply explain that you’ve been hoodwinked before - you work hard for your money - and you’re simply being an educated consumer.
Here is how it might go:

You: Hi, I've not used your service before and I'd like some information

Girl(s): Sure what would you like to know? (after all, they don't know you yet!)

You: Can you tell me more about yourself how do you look like? fair questions

(for an agency) who is available tonight? or I'm looking for;

tall/short/petite/large/slim
blonde/brunette/redhead
asian/hispanic/white
young/old

Or How tall? What's your weigh? How do you look like? (if she did not say it) I like busty girls How is your bust? How old are you?


Girl(s): (watch her answers and you bit she will avoid answering somethings i.e. if she does not say her weight then she might be over weight) I am 21yrs 5'7" 120lb, blue eyes, caucasian, 36C


You: what do you charge?? (there's nothing wrong to ask charges after all they are a business)

Girl(s): (watch the wording here) lingerie modeling, dancing, massage, full body massage etc. some might say such $$ and such $$ for full services (I think that's the best for both of us so you would be prepaired and she knows what to expect $$ after all they are offering service(s)

You: you can ask 1 full hr or up to an hour (once you cum she leaves)

Also watch if they say agency fee or all inclusive..or girls accept tips for extra..girls work on tips.


you can also say something like I like hot passionate (normally for loud girls) young-girls
How soon can you be here? Where (around) are you (for incall)?

[b]DO NOT ask;[/b]
Will I get laid? Does she do greek? Can I cum twice? No sexual acts or activities!! Where exactly are you? (if they want to give you directions they will but do not ask it at the begining)

The girl/agency do not know you as you do not know them

When meeting the girl

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She will want to sit and talk to you for few minutes to determine if you're not crazy, sick, violent, a cop, ..etc she might qualify you by asking are you LE? the answer is NO any other answer would scare her do not be smart and say Do I look like a cop? if she's going to stay she may ask to "check in" (either with a driver, agency, friend..) Anytime before this point she may back out of the deal and leave. She is also likely to ask for payment up front before calling to check in.

If she is respectable and knows what she's doing she will check it then place it somewhere where she can see it. Of course as I said before if the girl(s) said full services then it's clear you do not need to get yourself into the trouble of discussing exactly the details.

This is a perfect way for both of you She already told you what does she expect so you can have it ready. Then you already know this is all.

Always keep extras with you. You tip for a good service and repeat.

I know VS is very well experienced guy and he might be doing this but each approaches things differently.
I will try to update my [post=523239]initial thoughts[/post]

Not that I can add too much to what VS has said already.

Really guys, do you really need to ask whats on the menu on the phone. We all know whats up. Your making a call for a certain reason not to chit chat. Get to know the girl, it doesn't take a lifetime to calm the nerves. I have never had a bad experience that couldn't be solved with patience. Trust me, I deal with the worst habits known to men/women.

Even the most addicted woman will be your friend if you just give her some consideration.

Orl J the things you said show me you just don't get it, it's not my approach ,it's the sane approach. If they are stupid enough to put everything in the ad then there is no reason to ask questions, if they don't then they are smart enough that they appeal to me because they don't want to go to jail and I don't either.

I have enough experience to know that whatever anyone says to you or promises you on the phone it can change instantly in person. I would much rather take my chances with an elusive intelligent girl than believe some of the ad's promising the world on C/L. The intelligent non druggie girls are always without fail the best lovers.---VS

If the girl is advertising, she should get licensed. If she is licensed she can charge for services and time.
If the girl is not licensed, she should not be advertising this is enough to get her in trouble.
The customer in both cases is safe as long as he does not break the law. There's a fine line between legal and illegal. Soliciting for sex is illegal but going to a club and spending money to get a lapdance is legal. Also calling for a dancer is legal to provide a private dance is legal.
The way you talk and carry yourself on the phone makes a difference at least for me. Keeping and making a friendly conversation. It breaks the ice and makes it friendly and comfortable. I have dealt with escorts for a long time (not only as a customer but as a friend, advisor, consular, driver, promoter ... you name it I did). They are humans not machines. I try not to hurt the lady if she is not my type. I have been contacted by many great ladies and if she is not my type I still help her. I still respect her and if I can hook her up with others I will. If she is not my type that does not mean all the others would not like her. We are different and approach things differently.
A SW ad on CL mostly is just a fake picture and phone if they ad few lines her pimp would be jumping. A copy paste ad in CL and few pictures taken quickly with a cellphone when the pimp just bailed his biatch and he needs to get his money. Few days down the road they call one of these photographers and boom the pictures hit the net.
Anyway there are no exact rules.
J
[QUOTE=VerySlowly]Orl J the things you said show me you just don't get it, it's not my approach ,it's the sane approach. If they are stupid enough to put everything in the ad then there is no reason to ask questions, if they don't then they are smart enough that they appeal to me because they don't want to go to jail and I don't either.
---VS[/QUOTE]

"Tact is the knack of making a point without making an enemy. "

- Isaac Newton

I would first like to say this report is in no way to criticize you but to gather more knowledge on my end while sharing with you and others what I have perceived. I am in no way trying to be sarcastic or rude. I may have misunderstood your post and this entire reply may have been written in vain. But I love to take my chances.

In your post titled, "Audrey says it all. " you do not mention me yet refer to those who ". Put everything in the ad. " as being ". Stupid. " I would appreciate it if you could clarify this for me and kindly explain why my name was used in the title, (unless there is another Audrey around.). I do not say much on the forums but I love discussions and would like to ask you a few questions so as to better learn this intriguing game we all play.

1) When a donation is stated in the ad, does it not avoid the need to ask and therefore limit the chances of either parties getting in trouble? When it is not stated, you may not get in trouble for asking, but a provider can get in trouble for responding, and how would she know you are not LE and why would you want to put her through the risk?

2) I have began to understand the need some gentlemen may feel to inquire about appearance of a girl although pics are provided, but if she has provided a false photo, could she not provide a false description as well (unless she did not post herself)?

3) I sensed a small contradiction when you state, "I. Know that whatever anyone says. On the phone it can change instantly in person. " but then state, "I would much rather take my chances with an elusive intelligent girl than believe some of the ad's. "

Here, are you saying you do not trust phone conversations or the ads?

Personally I believe time and location are the only two things need to be discussed when communicating. Donation, photo, and (if gentlemen actually take the time to read) personality and attitude are all provided in an ad for your, as well as her, convenience.

Intelligent ladies need not say much to show their intelligence.

"One of the lessons of history is that nothing is not often a good thing to do, but it is always a clever thing to say. "

- Will Durant

Yours truly,

Audrey

[QUOTE=VerySlowly]Orl J the things you said show me you just don't get it, it's not my approach ,it's the sane approach. If they are stupid enough to put everything in the ad then there is no reason to ask questions, if they don't then they are smart enough that they appeal to me because they don't want to go to jail and I don't either.

I have enough experience to know that whatever anyone says to you or promises you on the phone it can change instantly in person. I would much rather take my chances with an elusive intelligent girl than believe some of the ad's promising the world on C/L. The intelligent non druggie girls are always without fail the best lovers.---VS[/QUOTE]

1--Whom do you know that is "licensed" ? Do you mean an occupational license? LE is quite frankly not running around looking at occupational licenses, that lic. is nothing more than a tax and is enforced by the taxing authorities not LE. Some municipalities have tried to use this gimmick but it hasn't amounted to a hill of beans.

2--There is no fine line, if you offer money or anything of value for any sexual act covered by the state statute you are in violation of state law, period.

3--Where can you get a lap-dance within 50 miles of Orlando? Other than Gina on C/L, is she licensed?

4-- I am not telling anybody what to do or say I'm only telling you what is most effective and comfortable for all concerned. If you want to try to develop a relationship over the phone go ahead. It won't work for most guys, most are very nervous on the phone. How do I know? I've been there when they call.

5-- If I'm wrong and your right how come the ladies agree with me, I haven't seen one positive response to your posts.

This is my last response to this issue, my reason for bringing it up is that it is a problem for providers and mongers as well and I thought I would provide some understanding and solutions and I believe I have, if anyone has a better solution I'm willing to hear it---VS

I'll have to agree with VS on this. This is after all a game of Russian roulette and asking certain questions over the phone doesn't necessarily get you the real picture. There're enough information out there for us to make educated assumptions when making appointments hence no need for such queries on the phone. Less is more!

If you say anything that may be a problem or if you sound like a rookie who has not done his research, you are done. It is nothing personal but we have lives too. That is why you may not be able to get her on the phone again. It is a gut feeling for us too, if it feels wrong, we will not take the chance. You would not either.

The ladies who are worth being with are protecting themselves - anyone else and you are playing russian roulette, because at the same time they are protecting themselves, they are also protecting YOU with their caution.

I think Red flag Number 1 should be anyone (monger or provider) who doesn't seem to care about discretion - stay the hell away.

For us guys, read the frakking info on their site or their ad - and FOLLOW IT.

Thanks Sexybldbbwfl for a totally relaxed, and relaxing, and rewarding experience.

D.

[QUOTE=Sexybldbbwfl]If you say anything that may be a problem or if you sound like a rookie who has not done his research, you are done. It is nothing personal but we have lives too. That is why you may not be able to get her on the phone again. It is a gut feeling for us too, if it feels wrong, we will not take the chance. You would not either.[/QUOTE]

I really would not care of getting a girl on the phone if she does not answer my 2nd call. It is more than likely she knows I am looking for this hot model. Dealing with a professional agency/professional escort she would not mind telling me how she looks like. She would not mind having a conversation.
I will never on the other hand offend her or cross the borders. I am very picky and I do not want disappointments. I do not want her to drive all the way then I cancel neither do I want to drive all the way to her.
There are many kinds of working girls. There are many kinds of customers.
This is from my own experience.
J

[QUOTE=Sexybldbbwfl]If you say anything that may be a problem or if you sound like a rookie who has not done his research, you are done. It is nothing personal but we have lives too. That is why you may not be able to get her on the phone again. It is a gut feeling for us too, if it feels wrong, we will not take the chance. You would not either.[/QUOTE]

I did not want to reply since you do not want to discuss this any more. All I want to say is you would have to make many judgements. Have you seen those ad's that show on CL for a couple of times and never show again. I have dated girls whom I was their first customer. Their ad was just few lines, a phone and a picture (mostly gorgeous). One of these girls was the russian girl and she was not really looking to be in the profession. I took one for the team and if I waited to see reviews would have missed it.

1- Yes I admit you are right in # 1 to some extend. Mostly do not have a license but there are who work with a license (massage, ..etc)

2- The fine line is: you are paying money for time and companionship not for sex or sexual acts.

3- True again I go to tampa if I need a lap dance and FS because I do not like to be teased without being pleased

4- neither do I tell anyone what to say or do but I started long ago and there was not info on line. I had to search, read and try. Besides I can not even tell anyone what to do?

5- I am not saying "you are wrong" and I am not saying "I am only right". The situations dictate which methods to use. I am not competing against you never did but my thoughts were appreciated before and these same thoughts.

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VS I do respect you and haven taken your words for granted many times. Thanks for taking the time to explain and reply.
J
[QUOTE=VerySlowly]1--Whom do you know that is "licensed" ? Do you mean an occupational license? LE is quite frankly not running around looking at occupational licenses, that lic. is nothing more than a tax and is enforced by the taxing authorities not LE. Some municipalities have tried to use this gimmick but it hasn't amounted to a hill of beans.

2--There is no fine line, if you offer money or anything of value for any sexual act covered by the state statute you are in violation of state law, period.

3--Where can you get a lap-dance within 50 miles of Orlando? Other than Gina on C/L, is she licensed?

4-- I am not telling anybody what to do or say I'm only telling you what is most effective and comfortable for all concerned. If you want to try to develop a relationship over the phone go ahead. It won't work for most guys, most are very nervous on the phone. How do I know? I've been there when they call.

5-- If I'm wrong and your right how come the ladies agree with me, I haven't seen one positive response to your posts.

This is my last response to this issue, my reason for bringing it up is that it is a problem for providers and mongers as well and I thought I would provide some understanding and solutions and I believe I have, if anyone has a better solution I'm willing to hear it---VS[/QUOTE]

Anyone who (girls and guys) missed the discussion here the last few days should take the time to read this thread. Great points all around. No one should be offended by the different points of view; they help us all to better understand each other.

I have sent e-mails and PMs to girls whose ads I thought might get them into trouble. The reason is quite simple. The girls had excellent reputations and I did not want to see them get into any kind of trouble. Although we all know that the girls only provide legal companionship, it is easy in this very marketing oriented world to put something in ads to tease and intice. However all that is needed is:

Recent picture or accurate description
Rates for time (no services need to be mentioned)
Availability times for incall or outcall
Contact information

If I show up and a girl is not as pictured or described, I walk.
If a girl talks at all about money, I walk.
If a girl tries to upsell, I walk.
If a girl provides excellent, unrushed companionship, then I give her a tip in appreciation and tell others about her.

[QUOTE=VerySlowly]The intelligent non druggie girls are always without fail the best lovers.---VS[/QUOTE]

I often am in parts of the world where interraction between men and women under various circumstances is legal. The women that I look for have clear eyes, bright smiles, do not do drugs, drink excessively or even smoke. If she can't hold down a 5 minute conversation why would I want to spend an hour or more with her?

Thanks Exec_Talent,
I would not want to spend time with a girl who does not want to spare few minutes and carry a small conversation either. That does not mean she has to be fluent in English. I dated girls who are not fluent in English but they were still willing to talk on the phone.
We all started at a time when girls did not find their way to the internet. After girls found their way to the net some methods we used in the past still apply. If a girl tells me I am 5' 7" 110lb, DD cup posting a picture with a watermark. I'd be "there is something wrong!".

There are too many types of girls:

- An amateur who is doing this to meet some needs. She does not really know much. Her ad might include so much info or no info at all. This is the most dangerous kind and the one I like the most.

- An amateur who did it but not on a regular basis. She knows what to do. More than likely her ad would be professional if her ad is not and the way she carried herself on the phone was trashy and demanding. I would not see her.

- Professional with an agency. In the past agencies (lost that site) were reviewed and rated with 5 stars ... stars. There are agencies that care about their reputation and provide services. The girls found a hard time working for these agencies. Personally not my favorite choice any more to hire a girl working for an agency. In theory, the agency advertises so the cost is divided by the girls and the agency maintains its reputation so the customer gets what he pays for.

- Professional working independent. In the past when girls could not find an agency or they just wanted to work solely they became independent. It was a bit regulated in the past with girls working with a license.

- SW's hit the net. Now there is no borderline between different kinds of girls. They all use the internet. For me with enough experience, the phone can tell me a bit about the girl. I remember this girl who wrote very long ad's on the net trying to prove she's a college educated girl. It did not prove a thing.

There are no exact rules.
J


[QUOTE=Exec Talent]... If she can't hold down a 5 minute conversation why would I want to spend an hour or more with her?[/QUOTE]

[/QUOTE]
There are no exact rules.
J[/QUOTE]

1--You've misinterpreted E.T.'s comment, I'm relatively sure he didn't mean a five minute phone conversation.

2--You have moved my comments that were meant to clear up some issues for board members about telephone etiquette into complete obfuscation and you won't let it go, it seems your trying to prove how smart you are and proving just the opposite.

3--Like everyone you are entitled to do things your own way, you seem to want guarantees based on a phone conversation, the sharp girls are not going to give it to you. You say "if she doesn't answer your second phone call ,she has an attitude" obviously you don't get it.

4--Either you write these rambling post's when your stoned or your related to Borat--which is it? If you think this a flame, I don't care I was trying to post some information and now it's all jumbled up with ranting and raving and bragging. Why don't you tell us about your bust on the trail with a SW that kept you off this board for a year, maybe someone could learn from that experience. I'll tell you what I got from it, spend the money on a room and you won't go to jail, no fine line there--VS

Audrey is one girl who knows how to write an ad.

[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=697308&postcount=69[/url]

What do you need to know that isn't there? Based upon reviews here from well-known posters she is the girl in the pictures. She is clear about her prices and how to contact her.

I do like to talk with a girl on the phone to get a sense if we will enjoy spending time together. If she can't put together a coherent sentence or is all baby this and baby that, then I couldn't care less how hot she looks in her ad. Often I will suggest that I will pay $50 less than her listed price for an hour, but will give her a tip bringing it to her requested amount if we have a good time together. Girls who are service oriented never have a problem with that.

What's this all about?
1- Ok whatever! Only Exec_Talent can tell. Oh! He did. Anyway, Thanks Exec_Talent for your understanding.
2- I am not trying to prove anything!
3- Yes I am entitled and everyone is the same to do whatever they wish and please.
4- Ranting, raving, bragging and rambling! When/where was all this?
I said everything about that experience and what anyone should learn from it. [b]In brief (again), You should keep your mouth shut even if the biatch did not shut hers even if Leo adds to your charges.[/b] This incident did not keep me off the board. The incident proved that my advices helped me get off the hook. Are you trying to hurt me? Actually, I posted a lot about what I learned even way after the incident. I share good and bad. I am not an angel or trying to be. If we do not live and share our experiences we'll never learn. It takes more courage to share bad experiences. What does not break you makes you stronger? I write from experiences unlike some. I would not wish anyone to go through the bad ones but have we listened to our parents all the time when they advised us?
I do not know what to say! [b]I am not competing! I am not fighting! I really do not care to explain at this point.[/b]
J
[QUOTE=VerySlowly]

1--You've misinterpreted E.T.'s comment, I'm relatively sure he didn't mean a five minute phone conversation.

2--You have moved my comments that were meant to clear up some issues for board members about telephone etiquette into complete obfuscation and you won't let it go, it seems your trying to prove how smart you are and proving just the opposite.

3--Like everyone you are entitled to do things your own way, you seem to want guarantees based on a phone conversation, the sharp girls are not going to give it to you. You say "if she doesn't answer your second phone call ,she has an attitude" obviously you don't get it.

4--Either you write these rambling post's when your stoned or your related to Borat--which is it? If you think this a flame, I don't care I was trying to post some information and now it's all jumbled up with ranting and raving and bragging. Why don't you tell us about your bust on the trail with a SW that kept you off this board for a year, maybe someone could learn from that experience. I'll tell you what I got from it, spend the money on a room and you won't go to jail, no fine line there--VS[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/09/09/2008-09-09_howard_stern_in_virgin_territory.html[/url]

[QUOTE]Tuesday, September 9th 2008, 4:00 AM

Look for Howard Stern to shock again on Tuesday morning when he's due to kick off the auction of a 22-year-old beauty's virginity.

Expected to step on the block, so to speak, of Stern's Sirius radio studio is a San Diego woman who says she wants to sell her maidenhood to pay her college tuition.

"I don't have a moral dilemma with it," says the pretty brunette, who's using the pseudonym of Natalie Dylan "for safety reasons."

"We live in a capitalist society," she tells us. "Why shouldn't I be allowed to capitalize on my virginity?"

Dylan was introduced to Stern by Dennis Hof, proprietor of the Moonlite Bunny Ranch, Nevada's famed legal brothel (seen on HBO's hit series "Cathouse.")

Hof says the auction will be conducted online via bunnyranch.com, and that the deal will be consummated at the Bunny Ranch, where Dylan's sister already works. "I think it's a tremendous idea," he says. "Why lose it to some guy in the backseat of a Toyota when you can pay for your education?"

There won't be any questions about Dylan's virtue: The lass says she's willing to submit to a polygraph test and a gynecological exam to confirm her virginity.

According to Dylan, she and her sister were forced into the skin trade partly because their stepfather allegedly took out student loans in their names without their permission, leaving them unable to finance their education.

She says she's already earned her bachelor's degree in women's studies at Sacramento State and that in January she'll start her master's work in marriage and family therapy there. She hopes to get a doctorate.

Meanwhile, her mother, a "conservative" fourth-grade teacher, doesn't approve of what she's doing, "but she supports me."

More worrisome is the potential media storm. "I understand some people may condemn me," Dylan says. "But I think this is empowering. I'm using what I have to better myself."

Dylan told us she got the auction idea after reading about a Peruvian woman who needed to pay for her mother's medical bills. A Canadian man made a whopping $1.5 million bid, but the woman reportedly decided not to go through with the sex.

Dylan says the winner won't necessarily be the highest bidder. "I want someone with chemistry. We'll take bids until I find a suitor I'm happy with.”[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Orlando J]Even if things go to the extreme and the mother-fu?ker Leo charges you with any bogus charge (obstructing justice, lying to an officer while conducting an investiagtion, ...etc.) for keeping your mouth shut as they did to me.
[/QUOTE]Curious .. was the LEO *threatening* to charge you or did they actually charge you with the bogus charge ?

This is a damned informative (and entertaining) lecture from a Regent University law prof, with a second presentation by an experienced cop near the end..

It shows just why you NEVER, EVER talk with police, be it mongering, or dui or anything else beyond a simple traffic ticket.

[url]http://www.regent.edu/admin/media/schlaw/LawPreview/[/url]

Seems like LEO had his hands full tonight around 10p just N of the 528. It seemed like overkill, as lights were flashing up and down the trail on their way to finish at the Hotel. The incident apparently interupted several doughnutshop patrons who left with lights blazing. Was it something in the fillign? Several Ambulances came towards the end. Passed by a couple of times with more lights flashing each time.

Anyone have a more detail report of what went down?

[QUOTE=Taster Too]Seems like LEO had his hands full tonight around 10p just N of the 528. It seemed like overkill, as lights were flashing up and down the trail on their way to finish at the Hotel. The incident apparently interupted several doughnutshop patrons who left with lights blazing. Was it something in the fillign? Several Ambulances came towards the end. Passed by a couple of times with more lights flashing each time.

Anyone have a more detail report of what went down?[/QUOTE]

Why can't people cross at the lights? LE, to protect us from these nefarious jaywalkers, has come down on them hard lately. As usual, because it takes 10 of them to combine to an IQ of 100, LE has been out in force. Cross at the ligths. Cross at the lights.

[QUOTE=Big Bob III][url]http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/09/09/2008-09-09_howard_stern_in_virgin_territory.html[/url][/QUOTE]That is the sickest thing I have ever heard, That kind of crass behavior puts women back 50 years. Why shouldn't every female think she is sitting on a cash register?

Having deflowered 2 women, it's nothing to write home about. The bitching and wining "it hurts" is a real mood killer. Please give me an experienced women every time. I pass by the used portion every time anyway.

For those of you who take pictures of SW, here is something that could be valuable to you

If you're taking pics of a roadblock like I saw someone do in the photo gallery, a cop may ask you to put your camera away or give you hassle

(can't tell just by the picture what the cop is motioning for, could be telling them turn their car around or put their camera away)

They can't quite tell you "take that thing off your dashboard"

I've seen cops drive right by me and ignore this being on my dashboard, most probably think it is a GPS, and I'm thinking SW will too.

SW may not notice you taking a pic of them, the camera "sees" right through my darkly (professionally) tinted windows easily, so unless the SW is ahead of me, they won't know about their pic being taken. Even if your windows aren't tinted, it may be less obvious that you are taking a pic of them, than holding the cam in your hand and pointing it at them. Like I said, it may just look like you're fooling with your GPS. Some of you seem to care less, but I am somewhat hesitant towards the idea of picking up a SW who just saw you take her picture as you drove by, especially if it is a few separate occasions that she has seen you do this before you eventually pick her up.

I originally got this setup for road trips and just kind of as a small video editing project, as well as possible documentation for deliveries I occasionally do for work (some have been problematic, nothing like covering your ass)

This is a portable bean bag holder for gps or other suction cup mounts to suck onto (bag weighs 2lb) so you don't have suction cup marks all over your window, can move your gps/camera from vehicle to vehicle, and can hide it when you park instead of leaving the mount on your window

[url]http://us. St12. Yimg.com/us. St. Yimg.com/I/gilsson_2012_77813[/url]

This is a Panavise CCTV Camera mount, most standard 1/4-20 threads will fit this, which is the majority of digital still cameras. You can read the rest of the specs at the link.

[url]http://www.altex.com/Panavise-CCTV-Camera-Window-Mount-809-P143388C10499. Aspx[/url]

Later, I will take a pic of the full setup, left it all at my office.

When you combine this whole setup, which costs no more than $40-45 total, it is alot easier to take a picture with one hand and keep the other on the wheel for when traffic begins to move again. Also, since it is portabe, you can take it with you right into the hotel room, point it at the bed, and you've got an adjustable tripod to document your adventures: D

Once I get some time I will take some pics of SW, have been working long & double shifts lately, so haven't had time to cruise at all. Maybe even some videos

Hope this

I was looking for something like a multi-function cam mount. If they can have the cam connected to your eye and once you want to video or take pictures you just press a button that would be so cool (as in st. bj's site) . Unfortunately, your links are broken.
J
[QUOTE=Tahleno]
This is a portable bean bag holder for gps or other suction cup mounts to suck onto (bag weighs 2lb) so you don't have suction cup marks all over your window, can move your gps/camera from vehicle to vehicle, and can hide it when you park instead of leaving the mount on your window

[url]http://us. St12. Yimg.com/us. St. Yimg.com/I/gilsson_2012_77813[/url]

This is a Panavise CCTV Camera mount, most standard 1/4-20 threads will fit this, which is the majority of digital still cameras. You can read the rest of the specs at the link.

[url]http://www.altex.com/Panavise-CCTV-Camera-Window-Mount-809-P143388C10499. Aspx[/url]


Hope this[/QUOTE]

LOL

One while back I saw one of those "reality porn" vids that everyone knows they love, and this dude had these really corny looking glasses, the "neckstrap" had a wire that went down to a unit that clipped on the back of his boxers. Pretty lame if you ask me.

Here is the mount (google Panavise 809 CCTV Mount)

[url]http://www.amazon.com/Panavise-809-Camera-Window-Mount/dp/B000246ST6[/url]

here is the beanbag (google GPS bean bag OR gps friction mount)

[url]http://www.amazon.com/Gilsson-UBM-Portable-Non-Skid-Dashboard/dp/B000ZSUQ9M/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1221459439&sr=8-4[/url]

I will take a pic of this all connected tomorrow when I get it from my office

Hopefully these links don't die, sucks that both of them in my earlier post were temporary

I have not knowingly taken a girl's virginity, most women I've been with have had at least 1-2 partners.

I can't imagine it being much more than macho fratboy jock ego booster, because I've had women that it's been a while for them (even some providers) whining and bitching because either they're dry or they haven't seen action in days, and it is definitely a mood killer, and leads me to hesitating on being w/ them a second time and hearing the bitching, because even when taking special care to be gentle, the bitching almost makes me shrink.

Bitching + incessant whining + her hands interfering with my insertion + ugly squinting frowny face = massive boner killer. I think it'd even kill a viagra hardon but I've never popped that pill.

[QUOTE=Tahleno]I will take a pic of this all connected tomorrow when I get it from my office[/QUOTE]Here we go. The ones in-car look terrible because my camera phone has a protective cover over the camera that is tedious to take off. I mainly use my digi cam to take most pics. 12mp 2mp

Hope these pics give you a decent idea of what this setup looks like, I sold all my other camera phones so this was the only way to take an in-car pic of my setup!

Enjoy

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Why can't people cross at the lights? LE, to protect us from these nefarious jaywalkers, has come down on them hard lately. As usual, because it takes 10 of them to combine to an IQ of 100, LE has been out in force. Cross at the ligths. Cross at the lights.[/QUOTE]These jaywalkers make it a little more difficult to monger. When I am cruising, I am scanning the sidewalks and side streets. These j walkers just pop out into traffic and I have slammed on the breaks many a time.

[QUOTE=Tahleno]Hope these pics give you a decent idea of what this setup looks like, I sold all my other camera phones so this was the only way to take an in-car pic of my setup!

Enjoy[/QUOTE]Nice setup, I would like to try it. How do you keep the camera from flying off the dash when you turn a corner? Is it bolted to your dash. Is that a sandbang?

That is a 2lb sandbag, it holds it down pretty well, very skid-resistant material on the bottom. I've taken 90degree turns at 30mph with a gps that weighs more than my camera and it didn't budge

Nice set-up I tried it without the bag but the cam slides/flies off if you do sudden changes as in taking corners or stopping suddenly. I assumed using a bag would reduce friction, would make it worse. The mount does not have an innovative idea to attach to your dash board.
J
[QUOTE=Tahleno]Here we go. The ones in-car look terrible because my camera phone has a protective cover over the camera that is tedious to take off. I mainly use my digi cam to take most pics. 12mp 2mp

Hope these pics give you a decent idea of what this setup looks like, I sold all my other camera phones so this was the only way to take an in-car pic of my setup!

Enjoy[/QUOTE]