The Woodshed

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2566937]Some of Angie's text messages pretending to be a lawyer and the way the would-be lawyer is writing I certainly wouldn't want him as my attorney as he seems to have "Angienese" really bad! LOL.[/QUOTE]Part of the requirements to pass your Florida bar exam is to be fluent in 3 different languages, English, Angienese and BS! Yea those supposed texts from a lawyer are comical.

[QUOTE=CantB1;2566650]You have replied to just about everything PoniBoi and I have posted. Not sure why unless you want to start a bro-mance. JTM has already wooing PB for a while. But I'm available. (Wink wink) LOL. I would be more than happy to take you out for a cruise of the strolls. Kinda like "Training Day" if you down to ride. I can introduce you to some of the ladies I know on our city tour. The first couple rounds of "pinks" are on be bro. Whatcha say?

CB1.

JTM and PB: sorry for the joke guys. I couldn't resist the opportunity.[/QUOTE]Just realize though, this on-going feud is starting to mimic Angie and Deanna's BP battle (w / out all the Grey Bar pics). Its interesting to read about, but it gets old really quick. Siding w / Angie, I texted her yesterday and kindly told her that she shouldn't exhaust her time and energy on something so frugal. She should just ignore the little witch and concentrate on what she does best- taking care of us Mongers. She's has way too many good reviews to let all this drama weigh her down. Even though she can be a bit looney and a bit bouncy, I still believe she's one of the top providers we have along side of Maliyah, Megan, and that PV lady.

I would like to respectfully say, just end your convo w / this guy and concentrate on what YOU do best- baking cookies and pounding pie! LOL. You've been around a while and have the credibility to not even have to worry about others who come on our site "to just make noise"- PT Monger. I'm not telling you what to do and CB1 is going to do what CB1 wishes to do, but come on bro!

Believe what I just said.

And as always, BSHM.

-PB.

[QUOTE=Voltron94;2566711]We need to remember that this discussion kicked off with a hobbyist being worried about a provider he knew that went missing. That's a far cry from a provider trying to intrude into your life or manipulate you.

I would hope everyone would use their best judgment about keeping their hobby safe & discreet, and not being hustled by a provider with a hard luck story. If you haven't guessed by now, if they wind up walking the streets or on BP, they aren't exactly living every little girl's dream. If you can't stay in contact without being a white knight, don't. But I don't think you have to get attached to someone like that in order to hope they don't wind up dead.

Not trying to be a jerk about it, but let's just remember the context here. A provider that you see regularly, to me, is not much different from a favorite bartender at the local pub, or maybe a barber. Sure, you're there for the service and they're only serving you to make money. That doesn't mean that you don't get to know each other a little and become more friendly as time goes on. If my favorite barber or bartender suddenly stopped showing up for work and nobody they worked with knew where they were, I'd be concerned too. Just because one pours me shots, one clips my locks, and another one drains my nuts doesn't mean I shouldn't care about them all as human beings.[/QUOTE]The barber analogy is actually spot on! I've been going to my barber for many years and while I don't consider him a friend were friendly. He's cuts my hair, we have small talk, I pay him and leave, if he were to become ill or disappear I'd be concerned and would make inquiries as to his health or whereabouts. It's exactly the same with a provider / atf I've been seeing over a period of time. They both provide a service that I appreciate and am willing to pay for. If they happen to be unable to perform the service I require I'd be a little mournful but I would continue to get my haircut and get my dick serviced, it would just be by someone else, life goes on. My point here is we have to recognize what everyone's role is in this hobby and not get carried away by emotion. That doesn't mean we can't be friendly or have a relationship with providers we see. I've always found that if your nice and seem to be genuinely interested in the providers well being things often get much better sexually and they not only let you do things to them that are off limits to others but at a discounted rate as well. Being a nice, thoughtful regular customer has it's benefits. JD.

[QUOTE=JaxDog;2563976]Man, I totally agree with you, Alex was hot and I really enjoyed fucking her, she had just the kind of look I like, petite, great body with those come fuck me eyes. Wasn't Alex the one that tried scamming you and you turned it around on her? That was one of the greatest stories I've ever read on the site! JD.[/QUOTE]Yeah, that was her. Great story, I'll never forget that one.

[QUOTE=PoniBoi;2566190]Not replying to any of my posts? It would be greatly appreciated. And please make no attempts of PMing me.

Thank You. Have a pleasant day.

BSHM.

-PB.[/QUOTE]I like the Ignore List function. Go to their profile and add them.

[QUOTE=CantB1;2566650]You have replied to just about everything PoniBoi and I have posted. Not sure why unless you want to start a bro-mance. JTM has already wooing PB for a while. But I'm available. (Wink wink) LOL. I would be more than happy to take you out for a cruise of the strolls. Kinda like "Training Day" if you down to ride. I can introduce you to some of the ladies I know on our city tour. The first couple rounds of "pinks" are on be bro. Whatcha say?

CB1.

JTM and PB: sorry for the joke guys. I couldn't resist the opportunity.[/QUOTE]OOOHHH, just the thoughts of the possibilities are enough to make me smile! Perhaps a few months in the Bush with those cold, lonely nights would help you see the true you? Besides, CB1, like they say, it gives you more opportunities for a date on Saturday night, but you already know that, don't you?

Just kidding of course. Bromance ALL the great Mongers on this Forum but my heart lies with the Argentina Stud living the life most of us would take in a heart beat!!

Back to the Mongering boys, pussy and ass, (for you closet types), awaits! LMAO.

[QUOTE=PoniBoi;2567082]Just realize though, this on-going feud is starting to mimic Angie and Deanna's BP battle (w / out all the Grey Bar pics). Its interesting to read about, but it gets old really quick. Siding w / Angie, I texted her yesterday and kindly told her that she shouldn't exhaust her time and energy on something so frugal. She should just ignore the little witch and concentrate on what she does best- taking care of us Mongers. She's has way too many good reviews to let all this drama weigh her down. Even though she can be a bit looney and a bit bouncy, I still believe she's one of the top providers we have along side of Maliyah, Megan, and that PV lady.

I would like to respectfully say, just end your convo w / this guy and concentrate on what YOU do best- baking cookies and pounding pie! LOL. You've been around a while and have the credibility to not even have to worry about others who come on our site "to just make noise"- PT Monger. I'm not telling you what to do and CB1 is going to do what CB1 wishes to do, but come on bro!

Believe what I just said.

And as always, BSHM.

-PB.[/QUOTE]I'm all smiles til something or someone gets under my skin. And that guy does not fit hit username at all. Will try my best to ignore him. Besides I got some other contributions I have to make.

CB1.

I'll call the TRUCE!

[QUOTE=ThePreacher;2565969]Holy fucking shit man. You posting from a hotel?[/QUOTE]What do you mean bro? Don't understand.

[QUOTE=CantB1;2567307]I'm all smiles til something or someone gets under my skin. And that guy does not fit hit username at all. Will try my best to ignore him. Besides I got some other contributions I have to make.

CB1.

I'll call the TRUCE![/QUOTE]Use that time and energy pounding on pie 🍰 Make sure you contribute all man batter, LOL. I'll be on the side lines rootin you on.

You're right about the name. Doesn't it mean something like, "disguised" or "keeping ones mouth phuckin shut unless one has something worthy or interesting to contribute" Oh well, doesn't matter.

Go get some ass, CBass!

Just BS & HM.

-PB.

Women have an uncanny ability to detect when you are going off course. My girl has been fucking my brains out this week. Out of the blue too. We hit a dry spell for months, then all of a sudden it's on. So much so that I have zero desire to reach out to my fav provider for my weekly visit. I am literally spent! Usually when I just sit and think about meeting with my provider, I get an instant erection. That shit ain't happening right now. Give my boy the 10 count. He's down for the count! Dayum!

[QUOTE=ThePreacher;2570532]Women have an uncanny ability to detect when you are going off course. My girl has been fucking my brains out this week. Out of the blue too. We hit a dry spell for months, then all of a sudden it's on. So much so that I have zero desire to reach out to my fav provider for my weekly visit. I am literally spent! Usually when I just sit and think about meeting with my provider, I get an instant erection. That shit ain't happening right now. Give my boy the 10 count. He's down for the count! Dayum![/QUOTE]Preacher, isn't that the truth. If more SO's took that approach to keep us happy, life would be fine.

Not seeing your fav provider this week? Does that mean she needs some company?

Hahahaha.

[QUOTE=JaxTantricMan;2570841]Preacher, isn't that the truth. If more SO's took that approach to keep us happy, life would be fine.

Not seeing your fav provider this week? Does that mean she needs some company?

Hahahaha.[/QUOTE]LOL! Man she even text me to ask if I wanted the same appt time / day. I had to regretfully decline. I guess I'm getting old man. Now I need a few days in between to really feel a desire to go into full freak mode.

You read correctly. I've been reading that a lot of providers (some with good reps) have been staging cash and dash's. Unfortunately, the shoe is on the other foot this time. I was scammed by a reputable hobbyists, who was also a 2 year regular of mines.

Yesterday I saw a client I have been seeing for almost 2 years. After 1st requesting a 1 hr date, he changed to a 30 min GFE date upon arrival, which I was okay with. He arrived, dis-robed and hopped in the bed. I noticed that he didn't give my donation upfront, but I didn't mention it right away because I have seen him several times before. Never had any issues with him, and after reading about you guys being ripped off so much, I didn't want to give any red flags (I I didn't want to kill the mood). Shortly into the date he finishes, cleans up, drops the donation and leaves. After counting and seeing I was paid way less than my base GFE donation for the time / companionship he requested, I texted him, and explained to him that he didn't give me the correct donation. He replies, well I thought that was fair considering the situation. ? My response in a nut shell was, NO! #1) My GFE donations begin at 120/30 min, and you requested a 30 min GFE date. #2) It is not my fault you fired of your first shot before you even had a chance to enter the magical kingdom! The condom was opened / ready before I even touched you, I even offered round 2 WHILE playing with your member who was still half awake and YOU declined. #3) If you had already gave my donation, were you going to ask / take back some of the donation, because you don't have dick control? NO! Therefore, you should've given me My donations for what was requested NOT what you felt was necessary because of YOUR short-comings / circumstances. He then replied, offering apologies, saying I was right, and he would bring back the rest later. Obviously, I wouldn't be posting this if he had kept his word.

I offered him a FS hour date, because he said he had $160, but he specifically wanted GFE and asked for a 30 min session. If you visit my website, my GFE donations BEGIN at 30 mins /120 and I was given way less. Now in the time we spent, GFE services were performed (kissing and a juicy stripper slide for example) Therefore, I feel I should've been compensated for GFE services instead of a basic FS (which for me is just a CBJ and positions of your choice. No extras). He was fully aware, before arriving, of my services (levels of service) and donations for said services because we spoke via text and I referred him to my website to help him with his decision.

This is the SECOND time one of my Jacksonville regulars has shorted me on my donations. I caught the first one as he was about to wash up to begin, and when confronted, he just looked at me like "take it or leave it, that's all I have. ". With me. Unless you are the one offering services, you do not have the right to decide / edit / alter my donations to your preferences! My donations are always clearly stated in EVERY ad I post. Therefore, things like this should never occur. If you don't have what I'm asking, don't call me! If you're a quick cummer, and round 2 takes a while. Rub one out before coming to see me! Or schedule an appointment appropriate to allow you time to do your business. But don't ever short me because you don't have what I'm asking, or if you don't fulfill your time. I NEVER have and never will rush anyone through sessions with me. In saying all of that, I'm going to say this. What you ask for is what you pay for!! My room is not a strip club where you negotiate $$ in the champagne room and Ms. Kitty is not on a food stamp / government cell phone plan, where you just pay for what you use. NO! I have donations listed by tiers and increments. Pick what tier / increment you want and pay for it!

I'm sorry that these girls are ripping you guys off, imo they're some real idiots! I would never stoop so low and risk ruining my okay reputation. Even when I'm done with this business, I would like to leave in good standings. With that being said, if anyone has any plans of seeing me, be prepared to give me my donation before you even take your clothes off. While I understand many may not feel comfortable doing so, you are in my company / space. Therefore, my rules. If at any time you want to leave PRIOR to beginning the date, you may do so with your donations (without a problem) I have turned away clients and given them their donations back without a problem, and I've had had guys prepay me for dates in order to help me get to their city and each and every one will tell you, I always hold true to end of the deal.

If anybody has any questions or comments, feel free to PM me.

[QUOTE=PristineChase;2576622]You read correctly. I've been reading that alot of providers (some with good reps) have been staging cash and dash's. Unfortunately, the shoe is on the other foot this time. I was scammed by a reputable hobbyists, who was also a 2 year regular of mines.

Yesterday I saw a client I have been seeing for almost 2 years. After 1st requesting a 1 hr date, he changed to a 30 min GFE date upon arrival, which I was okay with. He arrived, dis-robed and hopped in the bed. I noticed that he didn't give my donation upfront, but I didn't mention it right away because I have seen him several times before. Never had any issues with him, and after reading about you guys being ripped off so much, I didn't want to give any red flags (I I didn't want to kill the mood). Shortly into the date he finishes, cleans up, drops the donation and leaves. After counting and seeing I was paid way less than my base GFE donation for the time / companionship he requested, I texted him, and explained to him that he didn't give me the correct donation. He replies, well I thought that was fair considering the situation. ? My response in a nut shell was, NO! #1) My GFE donations begin at 120/30 min, and you requested a 30 min GFE date. #2) It is not my fault you fired of your first shot before you even had a chance to enter the magical kingdom! The condom was opened / ready before I even touched you, I even offered round 2 WHILE playing with your member who was still half awake and YOU declined. #3) If you had already gave my donation, were you going to ask / take back some of the donation, because you don't have dick control? NO! Therefore, you should've given me My donations for what was requested NOT what you felt was necessary because of YOUR short-comings / circumstances. He then replied, offering apologies, saying I was right, and he would bring back the rest later. Obviously, I wouldn't be posting this if he had kept his word.

I offered him a FS hour date, because he said he had $160, but he specifically wanted GFE and asked for a 30 min session. If you visit my website, my GFE donations BEGIN at 30 mins /120 and I was given way less. Now in the time we spent, GFE services were performed (kissing and a juicy stripper slide for example) Therefore, I feel I should've been compensated for GFE services instead of a basic FS (which for me is just a CBJ and positions of your choice. No extras). He was fully aware, before arriving, of my services (levels of service) and donations for said services because we spoke via text and I referred him to my website to help him with his decision.

This is the SECOND time one of my Jacksonville regulars has shorted me on my donations. I caught the first one as he was about to wash up to begin, and when confronted, he just looked at me like "take it or leave it, that's all I have. ". With me. Unless you are the one offering services, you do not have the right to decide / edit / alter my donations to your preferences! My donations are always clearly stated in EVERY ad I post. Therefore, things like this should never occur. If you don't have what I'm asking, don't call me! If you're a quick cummer, and round 2 takes a while. Rub one out before coming to see me! Or schedule an appointment appropriate to allow you time to do your business. But don't ever short me because you don't have what I'm asking, or if you don't fulfill your time. I NEVER have and never will rush anyone through sessions with me. In saying all of that, I'm going to say this. What you ask for is what you pay for!! My room is not a strip club where you negotiate $$ in the champagne room and Ms. Kitty is not on a food stamp / government cell phone plan, where you just pay for what you use. NO! I have donations listed by tiers and increments. Pick what tier / increment you want and pay for it!

I'm sorry that these girls are ripping you guys off, imo they're some real idiots! I would never stoop so low and risk ruining my okay reputation. Even when I'm done with this business, I would like to leave in good standings. With that being said, if anyone has any plans of seeing me, be prepared to give me my donation before you even take your clothes off. While I understand many may not feel comfortable doing so, you are in my company / space. Therefore, my rules. If at any time you want to leave PRIOR to beginning the date, you may do so with your donations (without a problem) I have turned away clients and given them their donations back without a problem, and I've had had guys prepay me for dates in order to help me get to their city and each and every one will tell you, I always hold true to end of the deal.

If anybody has any questions or comments, feel free to PM me.[/QUOTE]To answer your phone but it's like trying to get the president to answer!

[QUOTE=PristineChase;2576556]You read correctly. I've been reading that a lot of providers (some with good reps) have been staging cash and dash's. Unfortunately, the shoe is on the other foot this time. I was scammed by a reputable hobbyists, who was also a 2 year regular of mines.

Yesterday I saw a client I have been seeing for almost 2 years. After 1st requesting a 1 hr date, he changed to a 30 min GFE date upon arrival, which I was okay with. He arrived, dis-robed and hopped in the bed. I noticed that he didn't give my donation upfront, but I didn't mention it right away because I have seen him several times before. Never had any issues with him, and after reading about you guys being ripped off so much, I didn't want to give any red flags (I I didn't want to kill the mood). Shortly into the date he finishes, cleans up, drops the donation and leaves. After counting and seeing I was paid way less than my base GFE donation for the time / companionship he requested, I texted him, and explained to him that he didn't give me the correct donation. He replies, well I thought that was fair considering the situation. ? My response in a nut shell was, NO! #1) My GFE donations begin at 120/30 min, and you requested a 30 min GFE date. #2) It is not my fault you fired of your first shot before you even had a chance to enter the magical kingdom! The condom was opened / ready before I even touched you, I even offered round 2 WHILE playing with your member who was still half awake and YOU declined. #3) If you had already gave my donation, were you going to ask / take back some of the donation, because you don't have dick control? NO! Therefore, you should've given me My donations for what was requested NOT what you felt was necessary because of YOUR short-comings / circumstances. He then replied, offering apologies, saying I was right, and he would bring back the rest later. Obviously, I wouldn't be posting this if he had kept his word.

I'm sorry that these girls are ripping you guys off, imo they're some real idiots! I would never stoop so low and risk ruining my okay reputation. Even when I'm done with this business, I would like to leave in good standings. With that being said, if anyone has any plans of seeing me, be prepared to give me my donation before you even take your clothes off. While I understand many may not feel comfortable doing so, you are in my company / space. Therefore, my rules. If at any time you want to leave PRIOR to beginning the date, you may do so with your donations (without a problem) I have turned away clients and given them their donations back without a problem, and I've had had guys prepay me for dates in order to help me get to their city and each and every one will tell you, I always hold true to end of the deal.

If anybody has any questions or comments, feel free to PM me.[/QUOTE]Pristine,

I know part of the reason you don't like to touch the money when clients come see you is because if it does turn out to be a sting, it allows you a certain amount of protection, I. E. LEO can't say you accepted the money and counted it, etc. Unfortunately, this will set you up to be robbed as you have already experienced. Here is what I'd do: in my ad, I would continue to discuss what my donation is for services and one of few smart things you say in your ad is that you don't discuss the donation or service details. Regarding the donation, I would say in my ad that you would like for them to place your donation in the bathroom (in a pre-placed basket, for example). This way, you can tell them you'd like to freshen up in the bathroom before you get started. This will allow you to go into the bathroom, shut the door, lock it; now you have privacy; now you can count the donation out of their sight to see if it's what you agreed upon and put it away. In other words, they don't have to see you count or touch donation in their presence. That would be my methodology. I wouldn't trust other providers doing this but with your reviews, guys might allow you this leeway.

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2577315]Pristine,

I know part of the reason you don't like to touch the money when clients come see you is because if it does turn out to be a sting, it allows you a certain amount of protection, I. E. LEO can't say you accepted the money and counted it, etc. Unfortunately, this will set you up to be robbed as you have already experienced. Here is what I'd do: in my ad, I would continue to discuss what my donation is for services and one of few smart things you say in your ad is that you don't discuss the donation or service details. Regarding the donation, I would say in my ad that you would like for them to place your donation in the bathroom (in a pre-placed basket, for example). This way, you can tell them you'd like to freshen up in the bathroom before you get started. This will allow you to go into the bathroom, shut the door, lock it; now you have privacy; now you can count the donation out of their sight to see if it's what you agreed upon and put it away. In other words, they don't have to see you count or touch donation in their presence. That would be my methodology. I wouldn't trust other providers doing this but with your reviews, guys might allow you this leeway.[/QUOTE]I wonder why they do not just sale T-shirts for example. Red shirt is 15 min. Price, Blue shirt is 30 min. Price, Green shirt is the 1 hour price. You are not buying sex you are buying a T-shirt and now that you have purchased it, she instantly get horny and would like to have casual legal sex between two adult as a thank you. Any lawyer in the house see a whole in this defense.

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2577050]To answer your phone but it's like trying to get the president to answer![/QUOTE]I don't see but so many friends a day. I'm here til Friday, PM me or text me so I'll know your # and I'll make sure I answer you.

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2577315]Pristine,

I know part of the reason you don't like to touch the money when clients come see you is because if it does turn out to be a sting, it allows you a certain amount of protection, I. E. LEO can't say you accepted the money and counted it, etc. Unfortunately, this will set you up to be robbed as you have already experienced. Here is what I'd do: in my ad, I would continue to discuss what my donation is for services and one of few smart things you say in your ad is that you don't discuss the donation or service details. Regarding the donation, I would say in my ad that you would like for them to place your donation in the bathroom (in a pre-placed basket, for example). This way, you can tell them you'd like to freshen up in the bathroom before you get started. This will allow you to go into the bathroom, shut the door, lock it; now you have privacy; now you can count the donation out of their sight to see if it's what you agreed upon and put it away. In other words, they don't have to see you count or touch donation in their presence. That would be my methodology. I wouldn't trust other providers doing this but with your reviews, guys might allow you this leeway.[/QUOTE]I'm glad you understand the whole "not discussing $$ or services" thing. However, guys don't respect that and call asking "what can I get for $xx" or they'll make the date then before hanging up, the ask the donations. Either way, I always end up hanging up. It makes me uncomfortable. I've been busted twice, so I'm super cautious and too many guys don't understand that. I enjoy this business, it has carried me through rough times but I have no desire to develop a criminal record from it. I'm not going to be in this hobby forever, I'm going to want a "real" job, to go back to college and have a basic life (one day) but I'm already a little embarrassed to even try to pursue those things because of my criminal past. As far as the whole donation in the bathroom, I already (kinda) do that. I prefer my donation be placed on the dresser or nightstand and require my suitors to freshen up / wash hands and gargle mouthwash upon arrival, and that's when I count in private and put it away. I have ways of screening most calls even if the caller doesn't want to provide the info, and many volunteer their board or employment information and are more than happy to help in anyway to get thru the process. My mistake was trusting a regular friend to be honest and do what's right.

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2577315]Pristine,

I know part of the reason you don't like to touch the money when clients come see you is because if it does turn out to be a sting, it allows you a certain amount of protection, I. E. LEO can't say you accepted the money and counted it, etc. Unfortunately, this will set you up to be robbed as you have already experienced. Here is what I'd do: in my ad, I would continue to discuss what my donation is for services and one of few smart things you say in your ad is that you don't discuss the donation or service details. Regarding the donation, I would say in my ad that you would like for them to place your donation in the bathroom (in a pre-placed basket, for example). This way, you can tell them you'd like to freshen up in the bathroom before you get started. This will allow you to go into the bathroom, shut the door, lock it; now you have privacy; now you can count the donation out of their sight to see if it's what you agreed upon and put it away. In other words, they don't have to see you count or touch donation in their presence. That would be my methodology. I wouldn't trust other providers doing this but with your reviews, guys might allow you this leeway.[/QUOTE]The easiest way to schedule with me is via e-mail. I've been told I sound un-pleasant on the phone so I'm slowly converting to email or booking thru my website only so I won't keep scaring off my suitors (LOL), I've been testing out texting and so far, so good. I'm not so "open" and cheerful during (every) phone convo, just like any other human I have issues and things going on in my personal life that gets to me and cloud my mind. Almost anybody who has seen me, knows my troubles, but sometimes all it takes is a visit to get my head back in the game. Many of the guys who have reviewed me (USNEN said it best) will tell anyone I'm like a sour patch kid. First I'm sour (the phone convo), then I'm sweet (I relax upon arrival / commencement of ceremonies). For some reason, I'm turned on by men who aren't easily phased by my demeanor, dominant men who don't mind giving me an attitude adjustment. I'm weird like that.

[QUOTE=JaxBig76;2577332]I wonder why they do not just sale T-shirts for example. Red shirt is 15 min. Price, Blue shirt is 30 min. Price, Green shirt is the 1 hour price. You are not buying sex you are buying a T-shirt and now that you have purchased it, she instantly get horny and would like to have casual legal sex between two adult as a thank you. Any lawyer in the house see a whole in this defense.[/QUOTE]I think I might test that out.

[QUOTE=JaxBig76;2577332]I wonder why they do not just sale T-shirts for example. Red shirt is 15 min. Price, Blue shirt is 30 min. Price, Green shirt is the 1 hour price. You are not buying sex you are buying a T-shirt and now that you have purchased it, she instantly get horny and would like to have casual legal sex between two adult as a thank you. Any lawyer in the house see a whole in this defense.[/QUOTE]Genius!

I am curious about this Pristine person. I will have to find an ad for her to see if she would be a good candidate for a special visit from ThePreacher. .

[QUOTE=PristineChase;2577403]I'm glad you understand the whole "not discussing $$ or services" thing. However, guys don't respect that and call asking "what can I get for $xx" or they'll make the date then before hanging up, the ask the donations. Either way, I always end up hanging up. It makes me uncomfortable. I've been busted twice, so I'm super cautious and too many guys don't understand that. I enjoy this business, it has carried me through rough times but I have no desire to develop a criminal record from it. I'm not going to be in this hobby forever, I'm going to want a "real" job, to go back to college and have a basic life (one day) but I'm already a little embarrassed to even try to pursue those things because of my criminal past. As far as the whole donation in the bathroom, I already (kinda) do that. I prefer my donation be placed on the dresser or nightstand and require my suitors to freshen up / wash hands and gargle mouthwash upon arrival, and that's when I count in private and put it away. I have ways of screening most calls even if the caller doesn't want to provide the info, and many volunteer their board or employment information and are more than happy to help in anyway to get thru the process. My mistake was trusting a regular friend to be honest and do what's right.[/QUOTE]

This is the main reason why I try to educate girls about the importance of NOT discussing service details. People must understand that a criminal history will fruck up your future in more ways than one. You're a young woman and you should be very concerned about your future. As you so eloquently mentioned and I have also said this to many ladies, one day you might want to stop doing this escort thing, go to college and get a decent job; put all this behind you. You don't want the remnants of this hobby to come back to bite you in your future. We live in a very judgmental country and they do hold this stuff against you. A lot of people (especially the providers) don't know that in your life time, really depends on the state you got caught in a sting, you can only seal one criminal record. Unfortunately, states like New York, last I heard, you can't EVER seal a record which means potential employers get to see your past for the rest of your life! Most people aren't interested in having this conversation but will realize how important it is when they are out trying to find a job but keep getting turned down because of their criminal history. Care now so you won't have to pay for ignorance later! Anyway sweetheart, it's all about protecting you! What do I mean by this. When silly guys call or text or whatever medium they chose and start discussing service details and money, I'd hang up or stop communicating with them in a heartbeat. Now don't misunderstand me, some guys just don't know any better; but their IGNORANCE isn't your problems. No sense in you getting jammed up because they don't know any better. When you place your donation in your ad, this is very smart because it removes the need to talk about donations. Of course in your ad (not sure you do this) but I always tell girls to say the donation is for my time and companionship ONLY. Now, I'm going to put my next recommendation by itself so other women can also understand:

However way you want to identify this in your ad (for example #1 or letter A, etc.) but definitely the first line in the ad so they (clients) see it immediately, I would say: (A) or (1) I do not discuss service details in person, on the phone, via text or email. If you do, I will immediately END the session!

The reason I did it like this is because many girls tend to write a lot of USELESS verbiage in their ad's. Most people aren't going to read a lot of verbiage anyway as this is not a reading course. The verbiage should be as sparse as possible. Never say too much but enough to PROTECT you! Most ad's talk about how wonderful and great they are and how you will be calling their name forever! Truth of the matter is, most don't live up to the hype! If a girl is that great, let it be known in your actions not your words (Most guys are only concerned about seeing nice pix, donations, and a contact number; the rest is rubbish)! The above would be the first line I place in my ad; in fact, in the subject heading, I might say," please READ letter A or number 1 first before you contact me. This way, they will understand RIGHT AWAY how biz is to be conducted. I try to tell guys on here that their first appointment with a girl SHOULD NOT consist of discussing service details. Let that be either in your second meeting or after the ceremony of the first meeting because you put these ladies in some very DIFFICULT predicaments when you try to make them discuss service details. In most cases, we know if a lady is legit (like Pristine, by her reviews) but they don't know if we are legit, so I think we should work with them in this way. Plus, this will keep you guys out of jail as well. Some of the girls we see, in fact most, don't have reviews so WHY are we trying to get a list of sex do and don'ts from them in a first conversation? You are potentially incriminating yourself!

Anyway, sorry to rant a bit here but it's important we all stay safe as one day we are going to want to walk away from this so-called hobby and when you do, what will be on your record? How badly did you mess up your future job prospects? There was a guy on the SWer thread who picked up a girl and went to a certain location with her. Once there, they commenced to doing their thing. LEO came upon them and before they were made to vacate the car, the SWer threw her drugs in his back seat. The gentleman said now he is out of tens of thousands of dollars trying to clear his name now and the girl did not own up to the drugs being hers! Wonder why not?! Do you blame her? Pristine and others who might read this, PROTECT yourself! Look out for number one; YOU! Unfortunately, much of this advice falls on deaf ears! If it will help, as far as my credibility is concerned, I have been in about 5 prostitution stings and have never gotten arrested for solicitation. Why? Because I knew what to do and what not to do! I just didn't get away by chance ya know!

I don't tell people these things because I'm happy about what I do. I tell them these things because, as I mentioned, one day when I walk away from this, I don't want any remnants of it to affect my life forever!

What ever happened to Meet & Greets? This used to be a great way for hobbyists and providers to network. I've enrolled at the AIU-Online for Event Management / Planning and will be done in December, therefore done with the hobby (the provider part at least). Maybe hosting Meet & Greets can be my way of staying connected to the hobby. I love planning / decorating parties / events and I don't care what anyone says, I LOVE this business. I've tried to quit many times but I just can't let go. I've helped a well known Carolina hobbyist and very dear friend (Hobbyexec) host a few in the carolinas and they were fun & beneficial. Would Jacksonville men be interested in attending meet & greets? Inbox me your feelings.

[QUOTE=JaxBig76;2577332]I wonder why they do not just sale T-shirts for example. Red shirt is 15 min. Price, Blue shirt is 30 min. Price, Green shirt is the 1 hour price. You are not buying sex you are buying a T-shirt and now that you have purchased it, she instantly get horny and would like to have casual legal sex between two adult as a thank you. Any lawyer in the house see a whole in this defense.[/QUOTE]So you could probably post an ad saying the shirt colors and prices, and clients could figure it out by the ranges. But how would anyone know what is on the menu? And why is a travelling t-shirt salesperson posting ads with escort ads? And why are cheap plain t-shirts so much money? And why does the t-shirt salesperson have condoms & lube? And why are they selling to clients one-on-one out of a hotel, instead of a shop, or online? And why do t-shirt sales take 15-60 minutes, when there are only 3 shirts? The whole front falls apart under scrutiny.

The sugar baby thing is really the best front for pay-for-play there is, because it is virtually indistinguishable from a dating relationship. It plays in the grey area. The only way to get busted on that is an outright discussion of pay-for-play terms being recorded or documented.

Massage therapy, stripping, nude modeling, & boudoir photography can also be decent fronts. If you're going the travelling salesperson route, I'd suggest something like lingerie & sex toys. At least then you could explain the presence of condoms & lube, the need for discreet / private meetings, incall / outcall meetings, and even ad placement. The provider could even have a "sales kit" for modeling & demonstration, and clients simply place orders with her. Any explicit discussion of menu & pricing could still bury you though.

Talk to the ladies and gents organizing them in bigger hobby cities right now and see what they're saying. There are a lot of upfront costs that may not be recuperated. In my experience attending M&G's in the last year, the Jacksonville market will not have enough participants. It's hard enough funding a tour sometimes. I wouldn't want to lose money on an event.

For hobbyists who don't know, Atlanta event entries start at $45+. Central / South Florida, NY, DC, and Boston start at $100. For that you get to meet in a private setting, have a little food, drink, maybe complimentary alcohol, and a chance to meet ladies over a 3-4 hour period. (Just talk. Nothing explicit occurs.) You get screened. The ladies are reputable and get screened too. [B]Everything costs the host time and money before the first guest has even arrived. [/B] If you've planned a party at a private venue in Jacksonville, you'll have an idea of the costs of organizing one of these.

[QUOTE=PristineChase;2577833]What ever happened to Meet & Greets? This used to be a great way for hobbyists and providers to network. I've enrolled at the AIU-Online for Event Management / Planning and will be done in December, therefore done with the hobby (the provider part at least). Maybe hosting Meet & Greets can be my way of staying connected to the hobby. I love planning / decorating parties / events and I don't care what anyone says, I LOVE this business. I've tried to quit many times but I just can't let go. I've helped a well known Carolina hobbyist and very dear friend (Hobbyexec) host a few in the carolinas and they were fun & beneficial. Would Jacksonville men be interested in attending meet & greets? Inbox me your feelings.[/QUOTE]

I have long wondered why more people don't take advantage of the artistic exception. Apparently you can contract for sex acts if you record them. Get a business license as a production company, have some bullshit model releases on hand, set up a camera & have at it. Viola! Constitutionally protected "speech"!

There has got to be something wrong with this idea, right? Could it really be that easy?

Wondering aloud here.

[QUOTE=TallBear;2578257]I have long wondered why more people don't take advantage of the artistic exception. Apparently you can contract for sex acts if you record them. Get a business license as a production company, have some bullshit model releases on hand, set up a camera & have at it. Viola! Constitutionally protected "speech"!

There has got to be something wrong with this idea, right? Could it really be that easy?

Wondering aloud here.[/QUOTE]Producing pornography is illegal in most areas of the country, and heavily regulated in areas where it is legal.

Not to mention that pornography is a terrible front. Why? For starters, porn is far more lucrative business than escorts. Secondly, because providers & clients value discretion. What happens when the cops raid a room and your forms are full of fake info and there is no footage on the camera?

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2577793]This is the main reason why I try to educate girls about the importance of NOT discussing service details. People must understand that a criminal history will fruck up your future in more ways than one. You're a young woman and you should be very concerned about your future. As you so eloquently mentioned and I have also said this to many ladies, one day you might want to stop doing this escort thing, go to college and get a decent job; put all this behind you. You don't want the remnants of this hobby to come back to bite you in your future. We live in a very judgmental country and they do hold this stuff against you. A lot of people (especially the providers) don't know that in your life time, really depends on the state you got caught in a sting, you can only seal one criminal record. Unfortunately, states like New York, last I heard, you can't EVER seal a record which means potential employers get to see your past for the rest of your life! Most people aren't interested in having this conversation but will realize how important it is when they are out trying to find a job but keep getting turned down because of their criminal history. Care now so you won't have to pay for ignorance later! Anyway sweetheart, it's all about protecting you! What do I mean by this. When silly guys call or text or whatever medium they chose and start discussing service details and money, I'd hang up or stop communicating with them in a heartbeat. Now don't misunderstand me, some guys just don't know any better; but their IGNORANCE isn't your problems. No sense in you getting jammed up because they don't know any better. When you place your donation in your ad, this is very smart because it removes the need to talk about donations. Of course in your ad (not sure you do this) but I always tell girls to say the donation is for my time and companionship ONLY. Now, I'm going to put my next recommendation by itself so other women can also understand:

However way you want to identify this in your ad (for example #1 or letter A, etc.) but definitely the first line in the ad so they (clients) see it immediately, I would say: (A) or (1) I do not discuss service details in person, on the phone, via text or email. If you do, I will immediately END the session!

The reason I did it like this is because many girls tend to write a lot of USELESS verbiage in their ad's. Most people aren't going to read a lot of verbiage anyway as this is not a reading course. The verbiage should be as sparse as possible. Never say too much but enough to PROTECT you! Most ad's talk about how wonderful and great they are and how you will be calling their name forever! Truth of the matter is, most don't live up to the hype! If a girl is that great, let it be known in your actions not your words (Most guys are only concerned about seeing nice pix, donations, and a contact number; the rest is rubbish)! The above would be the first line I place in my ad; in fact, in the subject heading, I might say," please READ letter A or number 1 first before you contact me. This way, they will understand RIGHT AWAY how biz is to be conducted. I try to tell guys on here that their first appointment with a girl SHOULD NOT consist of discussing service details. Let that be either in your second meeting or after the ceremony of the first meeting because you put these ladies in some very DIFFICULT predicaments when you try to make them discuss service details. In most cases, we know if a lady is legit (like Pristine, by her reviews) but they don't know if we are legit, so I think we should work with them in this way. Plus, this will keep you guys out of jail as well. Some of the girls we see, in fact most, don't have reviews so WHY are we trying to get a list of sex do and don'ts from them in a first conversation? You are potentially incriminating yourself!

Anyway, sorry to rant a bit here but it's important we all stay safe as one day we are going to want to walk away from this so-called hobby and when you do, what will be on your record? How badly did you mess up your future job prospects? There was a guy on the SWer thread who picked up a girl and went to a certain location with her. Once there, they commenced to doing their thing. LEO came upon them and before they were made to vacate the car, the SWer threw her drugs in his back seat. The gentleman said now he is out of tens of thousands of dollars trying to clear his name now and the girl did not own up to the drugs being hers! Wonder why not?! Do you blame her? Pristine and others who might read this, PROTECT yourself! Look out for number one; YOU! Unfortunately, much of this advice falls on deaf ears! If it will help, as far as my credibility is concerned, I have been in about 5 prostitution stings and have never gotten arrested for solicitation. Why? Because I knew what to do and what not to do! I just didn't get away by chance ya know!

I don't tell people these things because I'm happy about what I do. I tell them these things because, as I mentioned, one day when I walk away from this, I don't want any remnants of it to affect my life forever![/QUOTE]Thats all well and fine to not discuss any services rendered until the second or third time you see a provider, but that only works IF you have enough money to waste to go & see chic after chic, week after week. Most of these chics aren't even worth going to see one time, much less a second or third time. How the hell does a man KNOW exactly WHAT he is getting for his money. If he doesn't ask what is and what isn't offered on the first visit? What if he wants to do a specific fetish or Greek but the chic doesn't render those services?? Now he done wasted his time AND gas coming all the way clear across town to see this chic, just to get there and be told "no, I don't do this or that" and then has to turn around and leave because the chic doesn't offer the specific services he wants. That's like going into something blindly and who the hell wants to do that?? Better yet, that's like getting hired on a new job, but waiting until you get your second paycheck to find out exactly how much you're getting paid and what benefits the company offer. Uhhh, hello?? You suppose to find that out during the interview, not after getting hired! As far as giving donations, cardinal rule number 1 is NEVER pay upfront on the first time, period. No matter if the chic has 50 million good reviews! There is nothing wrong with counting the donation out in front of her so she can see you've got the donation and the full amount, but she must WORK FIRST, then get paid! If they can't agree to that, I wouldn't even waste my gas coming to see them.

Now as far as Ms Chase is concerned, some random dipshit jackass ripped her off here and that azzhole just made it harder for other guys here. However, I can't say that I feel sorry for her, considering the fact that she does have a review from Dec 2013 on ThE otheR site where a guy stated he paid for the PSE experience and that it was a waste of money and he didn't get to do Greek. (Hound88's review). I be dam if I cough up the cash to pay for PSE and I don't get to do Greek. That in itself has made me not want to see her.

[QUOTE=TallBear;2578257]I have long wondered why more people don't take advantage of the artistic exception. Apparently you can contract for sex acts if you record them. Get a business license as a production company, have some bullshit model releases on hand, set up a camera & have at it. Viola! Constitutionally protected "speech"!

There has got to be something wrong with this idea, right? Could it really be that easy?

Wondering aloud here.[/QUOTE]The legislatures are always creating loopholes in these here laws so sounds like a way to circumvent the law to me (legally, that is)!

[QUOTE=Voltron94;2578018]So you could probably post an ad saying the shirt colors and prices, and clients could figure it out by the ranges. But how would anyone know what is on the menu? And why is a travelling t-shirt salesperson posting ads with escort ads? And why are cheap plain t-shirts so much money? And why does the t-shirt salesperson have condoms & lube? And why are they selling to clients one-on-one out of a hotel, instead of a shop, or online? And why do t-shirt sales take 15-60 minutes, when there are only 3 shirts? The whole front falls apart under scrutiny.

The sugar baby thing is really the best front for pay-for-play there is, because it is virtually indistinguishable from a dating relationship. It plays in the grey area. The only way to get busted on that is an outright discussion of pay-for-play terms being recorded or documented.

Massage therapy, stripping, nude modeling, & boudoir photography can also be decent fronts. If you're going the travelling salesperson route, I'd suggest something like lingerie & sex toys. At least then you could explain the presence of condoms & lube, the need for discreet / private meetings, incall / outcall meetings, and even ad placement. The provider could even have a "sales kit" for modeling & demonstration, and clients simply place orders with her. Any explicit discussion of menu & pricing could still bury you though.[/QUOTE]They try to create, it's funny that most of them (escorts) don't get the most basic method of avoiding an arrest for prostitution. It's simple: don't discuss ANY TYPE of sex act for money or something of monetary value. This is by far the best way (not necessarily fool-proof) to avoid such problems because even if LEO arrest you anyway, if you hire any attorney worth their salt, they can get it thrown out. No prosecutor wants to take a weak as hens piss case to trial knowing the outcome very well favors the defendant. This they (providers) never seem to get!

[QUOTE=FearTheSpear;2578419]Thats all well and fine to not discuss any services rendered until the second or third time you see a provider, but that only works IF you have enough money to waste to go & see chic after chic, week after week. Most of these chics aren't even worth going to see one time, much less a second or third time. How the hell does a man KNOW exactly WHAT he is getting for his money. If he doesn't ask what is and what isn't offered on the first visit? What if he wants to do a specific fetish or Greek but the chic doesn't render those services?? Now he done wasted his time AND gas coming all the way clear across town to see this chic, just to get there and be told "no, I don't do this or that" and then has to turn around and leave because the chic doesn't offer the specific services he wants. That's like going into something blindly and who the hell wants to do that?? Better yet, that's like getting hired on a new job, but waiting until you get your second paycheck to find out exactly how much you're getting paid and what benefits the company offer. Uhhh, hello?? You suppose to find that out during the interview, not after getting hired! As far as giving donations, cardinal rule number 1 is NEVER pay upfront on the first time, period. No matter if the chic has 50 million good reviews! There is nothing wrong with counting the donation out in front of her so she can see you've got the donation and the full amount, but she must WORK FIRST, then get paid! If they can't agree to that, I wouldn't even waste my gas coming to see them.

Now as far as Ms Chase is concerned, some random dipshit jackass ripped her off here and that azzhole just made it harder for other guys here. However, I can't say that I feel sorry for her, considering the fact that she does have a review from Dec 2013 on ThE otheR site where a guy stated he paid for the PSE experience and that it was a waste of money and he didn't get to do Greek. (Hound88's review). I be dam if I cough up the cash to pay for PSE and I don't get to do Greek. That in itself has made me not want to see her.[/QUOTE]Okay. He wasn't a random dipshit jackass, he was one of my regulars for 2 years and saw me almost everytime I visited. He was a really good client until he made this bad decision. But my my question is. How does a negative review from 2013 make it okay for a 2 year regular or anybody for that matter, to short me on my compensation?? He requested a 30 min GFE date and that's what he got. ? This guy has even posted reviews on me here and another site recommending you guys to see me. ?

I (personally) never discuss any sexual acts or services upfront because I have a website that provides a description of what is included in my sessions, Therefore eliminating the need to discuss them. I can't speak for other providers, but ever since my misfortunes, I keep a descriptive website and share the link in my ads. Don't know if you even ever saw my ads, but if you have then you would see what I mean, But whaddya know? Guys STILL don't take the time to visit the site and call me with incriminating questions anyway. Once you get busted (and eventually you will, discussing sexual acts) you will understand the need to be cautious.

Example: [URL]http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ur-temp0rary-girlfriend-xoxo-reviewed-and-recommended-u-r-r/7676762[/URL].

As far as Hounds88 review, take it however you please. I don't think you took the time to fully research me and read ALL of my reviews, before making that statement. Of all the reviews I have on well known reputable sites, please tell me how many more reviews did you find of gentlemen claiming to be dissatisfied with my companionship?? Very very few!! I have seen clients and provided VIP / Fetish sessions at FS donations. I have had clients who have scheduled with me / paid for dinner dates and end up staying the night (on me)! I'm not the average provider, I like to indulge myself from time to time. This was just not something I was open and willing to indulge in! He had a clear understanding as to what my PSE sessions included prior to even confirming his appointment. My website at that time (and always have been) had a page dedicated to describing my different tiers of services (FS, GFE, PSE) and even listed the types of fetishes I engage in. Nowhere on that list was greek mentioned, so it is not my fault he assumed my PSE sessions included something that was never mention in my list of services on my site and tried to TALK me into it while we were in action and I declined. But trust me he did indeed receive every service that WAS mentioned in my PSE description. !

I'm actually kinda happy you opted not to request my services. I feel like you think your rules and requirements are far more important than the rules / protocols of the provider of who's time you are requesting, and it's your way or the highway. That doesn't work well with me. If you can't respect the provider's wishes, even if she does has 50 million good reviews, then you shouldn't waste her time.

[QUOTE=FearTheSpear;2578419]Thats all well and fine to not discuss any services rendered until the second or third time you see a provider, but that only works IF you have enough money to waste to go & see chic after chic, week after week. Most of these chics aren't even worth going to see one time, much less a second or third time. How the hell does a man KNOW exactly WHAT he is getting for his money. If he doesn't ask what is and what isn't offered on the first visit? What if he wants to do a specific fetish or Greek but the chic doesn't render those services?? Now he done wasted his time AND gas coming all the way clear across town to see this chic, just to get there and be told "no, I don't do this or that" and then has to turn around and leave because the chic doesn't offer the specific services he wants. That's like going into something blindly and who the hell wants to do that?? Better yet, that's like getting hired on a new job, but waiting until you get your second paycheck to find out exactly how much you're getting paid and what benefits the company offer. Uhhh, hello?? You suppose to find that out during the interview, not after getting hired! As far as giving donations, cardinal rule number 1 is NEVER pay upfront on the first time, period. No matter if the chic has 50 million good reviews! There is nothing wrong with counting the donation out in front of her so she can see you've got the donation and the full amount, but she must WORK FIRST, then get paid! If they can't agree to that, I wouldn't even waste my gas coming to see them.

Now as far as Ms Chase is concerned, some random dipshit jackass ripped her off here and that azzhole just made it harder for other guys here. However, I can't say that I feel sorry for her, considering the fact that she does have a review from Dec 2013 on ThE otheR site where a guy stated he paid for the PSE experience and that it was a waste of money and he didn't get to do Greek. (Hound88's review). I be dam if I cough up the cash to pay for PSE and I don't get to do Greek. That in itself has made me not want to see her.[/QUOTE]I apologize for that comment. I got a little catty, as women sometimes tend to do and I responded out of frustration that you thought the situation was okay. Spear. I just noticed you have been on this board for only a few months, You haven't posted ANY reviews. Just piggy backed and commented on others posts. With all due respect, I would prefer to hear only from the well-standing hobbyists of this community, because they're really who matters. This is one of the most active boards in this area, which is why I posted this issue here and I care only to hear from the regulars of this site and get some insight as to how I can maintain an intimate environment when handling donations. You have no presence on this board, therefore I have no interest at all in your thoughts or ideas concerning this matter. When you post some reviews and gain some credibility here, then I will consider your opinions. Once again, I apologize to you and the community. Your response should not have frustrated me.

[QUOTE=Voltron94;2578411]Producing pornography is illegal in most areas of the country, and heavily regulated in areas where it is legal.

Not to mention that pornography is a terrible front. Why? For starters, porn is far more lucrative business than escorts. Secondly, because providers & clients value discretion. What happens when the cops raid a room and your forms are full of fake info and there is no footage on the camera?[/QUOTE]Just curious. My understanding is that Florida is second only to California in the production of pornography.

And, uh, yeah, you would want to turn the cameras on.

Speaking of which, does anyone know anything about the "personal pornography" outfit that used to operate in (of all places) Callahan? As I understand it, the recording was yours to keep, not for distribution, & the damage was about a grand a pop.

I've got a friend with benefits in another state who does some "mature" porn & gets $1000 - $1500 per shoot. She insists that it is all perfectly legal & is nothing like being an escort, but except for the pay scale, it seems like a fine distinction to me.

[QUOTE=PristineChase;2578777]Okay. He wasn't a random dipshit jackass, he was one of my regulars for 2 years and saw me almost everytime I visited. He was a really good client until he made this bad decision. But my my question is. How does a negative review from 2013 make it okay for a 2 year regular or anybody for that matter, to short me on my compensation?? He requested a 30 min GFE date and that's what he got. ? This guy has even posted reviews on me here and another site recommending you guys to see me. ?

I (personally) never discuss any sexual acts or services upfront because I have a website that provides a description of what is included in my sessions, Therefore eliminating the need to discuss them. I can't speak for other providers, but ever since my misfortunes, I keep a descriptive website and share the link in my ads. Don't know if you even ever saw my ads, but if you have then you would see what I mean, But whaddya know? Guys STILL don't take the time to visit the site and call me with incriminating questions anyway. Once you get busted (and eventually you will, discussing sexual acts) you will understand the need to be cautious.

Example: [URL]http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ur-temp0rary-girlfriend-xoxo-reviewed-and-recommended-u-r-r/7676762[/URL].

As far as Hounds88 review, take it however you please. I don't think you took the time to fully research me and read ALL of my reviews, before making that statement. Of all the reviews I have on well known reputable sites, please tell me how many more reviews did you find of gentlemen claiming to be dissatisfied with my companionship?? Very very few!! I have seen clients and provided VIP / Fetish sessions at FS donations. I have had clients who have scheduled with me / paid for dinner dates and end up staying the night (on me)! I'm not the average provider, I like to indulge myself from time to time. This was just not something I was open and willing to indulge in! He had a clear understanding as to what my PSE sessions included prior to even confirming his appointment. My website at that time (and always have been) had a page dedicated to describing my different tiers of services (FS, GFE, PSE) and even listed the types of fetishes I engage in. Nowhere on that list was greek mentioned, so it is not my fault he assumed my PSE sessions included something that was never mention in my list of services on my site and tried to TALK me into it while we were in action and I declined. But trust me he did indeed receive every service that WAS mentioned in my PSE description. !

I'm actually kinda happy you opted not to request my services. I feel like you think your rules and requirements are far more important than the rules / protocols of the provider of who's time you are requesting, and it's your way or the highway. That doesn't work well with me. If you can't respect the provider's wishes, even if she does has 50 million good reviews, then you shouldn't waste her time.[/QUOTE]Just to be clear and upfront, I'm not taking sides here. I'm just going to give my rambling, incoherent opinion. In business there is an inherent risk for bad debt as you can't be 100% sure you will collect all monies due. We all assume some form of risk in this "business". The hobbyist side risks STD's, getting ripped off, loss of home life and possibly much worse. The providers risk their health, getting ripped off or even much, much worse as in loss of life. I've been in the hobby for 15+ years and sometimes I'm told I'm almost too over the top when I protect my privacy and health and have only been ripped off twice for a total of $200. But, you know what? I consider myself fortunate that nothing worse has happened.

Long post short, the pain of losing part of a donation pales in the comparison to anything else that could happen. Chalk it up to the economy being horribly bad, say thanks for your health and well being and move on with life. Blackball this guy even if he makes it right as he will just see other providers so he won't learn a lesson. The sun is shining, enjoy the beautiful day!

[QUOTE=FearTheSpear;2578419]Thats all well and fine to not discuss any services rendered until the second or third time you see a provider, but that only works IF you have enough money to waste to go & see chic after chic, week after week. Most of these chics aren't even worth going to see one time, much less a second or third time. How the hell does a man KNOW exactly WHAT he is getting for his money. If he doesn't ask what is and what isn't offered on the first visit? What if he wants to do a specific fetish or Greek but the chic doesn't render those services?? Now he done wasted his time AND gas coming all the way clear across town to see this chic, just to get there and be told "no, I don't do this or that" and then has to turn around and leave because the chic doesn't offer the specific services he wants. That's like going into something blindly and who the hell wants to do that?? Better yet, that's like getting hired on a new job, but waiting until you get your second paycheck to find out exactly how much you're getting paid and what benefits the company offer. Uhhh, hello?? You suppose to find that out during the interview, not after getting hired! As far as giving donations, cardinal rule number 1 is NEVER pay upfront on the first time, period. No matter if the chic has 50 million good reviews! There is nothing wrong with counting the donation out in front of her so she can see you've got the donation and the full amount, but she must WORK FIRST, then get paid! If they can't agree to that, I wouldn't even waste my gas coming to see them.

Now as far as Ms Chase is concerned, some random dipshit jackass ripped her off here and that azzhole just made it harder for other guys here. However, I can't say that I feel sorry for her, considering the fact that she does have a review from Dec 2013 on ThE otheR site where a guy stated he paid for the PSE experience and that it was a waste of money and he didn't get to do Greek. (Hound88's review). I be dam if I cough up the cash to pay for PSE and I don't get to do Greek. That in itself has made me not want to see her.[/QUOTE]

Your comparison between a conversation about job salaries and benefits versus a conversation with a lady about sex acts is not even close to being comparable (apples to oranges). Number one, there is nothing illegal about a conversation around benefits / salaries, etc. However, so you know, IT IS illegal in many parts of this country to pay for sex. Now, I'd rather lose $60-100 and not go to jail versus not only lose, let's say $80, but my freedom too. Hell, I'd rather lose $500 than to face that BRUTAL legal system and it will not be kind to you! When you can't get certain jobs, can't get into certain college programs, obtain certain professional licenses, can't live in certain areas as some landlords do background checks too; you WILL KNOW how much damage you've done to yourself because you refuse to risk losing $60-80 or whatever. Because once you give that UNDERCOVER that $80 or whatever you agreed upon (after your sex conversation), that won't be the only thing you lose. You WILL go to jail for having a discussion about sex and money then the cost to hire an attorney, bail, then possibly lose your job (as many have) will certainly be more costly than the $80 you might lose. You cannot have a short sighted view of this thing. You have got to think about safety and your future first! Like I said, I am not sure how long you've been doing this but know this, being an active participant in this so-called hobby will FRUCK you up and that's a promise; not from Allstate but from law enforcement! We should all try to pick a girl as carefully as possible but even then, too many variables may still lead to a so so session. Remember, a LEO woman will always try to get you to incriminate yourself (VERBALLY) and will not get naked or anything close to that.

But hey, before you decide to go down the road of your choice, my advice is that you make out a comparison table: a) my method versus b) your method. Under my method, you stand to lose whatever amount you paid for the session; let's say, $80; with your method, providing she is an undercover vice, not only will you lose the $80 but all the other things I listed at the top (loss of job, attorney fees, bail, IN ADDITION- sealing / expungement services, and family in some cases); accumulatively speaking, these services can run you an easy $4000 and we haven't even talked about the embarrassment you will have to face. Just loss of job alone may cause you to have to take a job at McDonald's! You may go from making $80,000 a year to way less than 1/2 that! There was a coach at Bishop Kenny who got caught up in a sting and of course he can't ever teach around kids again plus all the other repercussions of his actions. He probably had the same mentality as yourself- having a discussion about sex and money! Whenever I've had conversations with LEO in the past, I always deflect sexual conversations but they try whatever they can to get me to talk dumb shet! Anyway, buddy, it's your choice. I'd much rather lose 80 than several thousand dollars and then some. Remember this too, in your lifetime, you can only get ONE record sealed. So if you have another arrest record that is causing you to have difficulty obtaining employment, then you get arrested for this thing, you now must decide which to seal- but one of the 2 will still be visible! Like I said, this so-called hobby has the potential to FRUCK your life up forever! This is the purpose of not getting into details with a provider. Even if LEO did still arrest you (and you did not discuss sex and money), the likelihood that you will get off is very strong with a decent attorney. I always say don't hand LEO your azz on a golden platter but hey, have it your way! It's sho life! Have your discussion but like the young lady said, your day IS coming!

[QUOTE=PristineChase;2578777]Okay. He wasn't a random dipshit jackass, he was one of my regulars for 2 years and saw me almost everytime I visited. He was a really good client until he made this bad decision. But my my question is. How does a negative review from 2013 make it okay for a 2 year regular or anybody for that matter, to short me on my compensation?? He requested a 30 min GFE date and that's what he got. ? This guy has even posted reviews on me here and another site recommending you guys to see me. ?

I (personally) never discuss any sexual acts or services upfront because I have a website that provides a description of what is included in my sessions, Therefore eliminating the need to discuss them. I can't speak for other providers, but ever since my misfortunes, I keep a descriptive website and share the link in my ads. Don't know if you even ever saw my ads, but if you have then you would see what I mean, But whaddya know? Guys STILL don't take the time to visit the site and call me with incriminating questions anyway. Once you get busted (and eventually you will, discussing sexual acts) you will understand the need to be cautious.

Example: [URL]http://jacksonville.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/ur-temp0rary-girlfriend-xoxo-reviewed-and-recommended-u-r-r/7676762[/URL].

As far as Hounds88 review, take it however you please. I don't think you took the time to fully research me and read ALL of my reviews, before making that statement. Of all the reviews I have on well known reputable sites, please tell me how many more reviews did you find of gentlemen claiming to be dissatisfied with my companionship?? Very very few!! I have seen clients and provided VIP / Fetish sessions at FS donations. I have had clients who have scheduled with me / paid for dinner dates and end up staying the night (on me)! I'm not the average provider, I like to indulge myself from time to time. This was just not something I was open and willing to indulge in! He had a clear understanding as to what my PSE sessions included prior to even confirming his appointment. My website at that time (and always have been) had a page dedicated to describing my different tiers of services (FS, GFE, PSE) and even listed the types of fetishes I engage in. Nowhere on that list was greek mentioned, so it is not my fault he assumed my PSE sessions included something that was never mention in my list of services on my site and tried to TALK me into it while we were in action and I declined. But trust me he did indeed receive every service that WAS mentioned in my PSE description. !

I'm actually kinda happy you opted not to request my services. I feel like you think your rules and requirements are far more important than the rules / protocols of the provider of who's time you are requesting, and it's your way or the highway. That doesn't work well with me. If you can't respect the provider's wishes, even if she does has 50 million good reviews, then you shouldn't waste her time.[/QUOTE]Aww damn. This is your last day? I will definitely have to catch up with you next time. .

As far as your situation, obviously that dude was a dumbass. Fucking up the game for those of us who play by the rules of business. And that's exactly what it is. A business. If services requested are services rendered, then the agreed upon price AND experience are non-negotiable. It would be like going into the Apple Store, asking for an iPhone 6, then only leaving enough cash for an iPhone 4. "You know you don't fucked up now right?

LOL.

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2579153]Your comparison between a conversation about job salaries and benefits versus a conversation with a lady about sex acts is not even close to being comparable (apples to oranges). Number one, there is nothing illegal about a conversation around benefits / salaries, etc. However, so you know, IT IS illegal in many parts of this country to pay for sex. Now, I'd rather lose $60-100 and not go to jail versus not only lose, let's say $80, but my freedom too. Hell, I'd rather lose $500 than to face that BRUTAL legal system and it will not be kind to you! When you can't get certain jobs, can't get into certain college programs, obtain certain professional licenses, can't live in certain areas as some landlords do background checks too; you WILL KNOW how much damage you've done to yourself because you refuse to risk losing $60-80 or whatever. Because once you give that UNDERCOVER that $80 or whatever you agreed upon (after your sex conversation), that won't be the only thing you lose. You WILL go to jail for having a discussion about sex and money then the cost to hire an attorney, bail, then possibly lose your job (as many have) will certainly be more costly than the $80 you might lose. You cannot have a short sighted view of this thing. You have got to think about safety and your future first! Like I said, I am not sure how long you've been doing this but know this, being an active participant in this so-called hobby will FRUCK you up and that's a promise; not from Allstate but from law enforcement! We should all try to pick a girl as carefully as possible but even then, too many variables may still lead to a so so session. Remember, a LEO woman will always try to get you to incriminate yourself (VERBALLY) and will not get naked or anything close to that.

But hey, before you decide to go down the road of your choice, my advice is that you make out a comparison table: a) my method versus b) your method. Under my method, you stand to lose whatever amount you paid for the session; let's say, $80; with your method, providing she is an undercover vice, not only will you lose the $80 but all the other things I listed at the top (loss of job, attorney fees, bail, IN ADDITION- sealing / expungement services, and family in some cases); accumulatively speaking, these services can run you an easy $4000 and we haven't even talked about the embarrassment you will have to face. Just loss of job alone may cause you to have to take a job at McDonald's! You may go from making $80,000 a year to way less than 1/2 that! There was a coach at Bishop Kenny who got caught up in a sting and of course he can't ever teach around kids again plus all the other repercussions of his actions. He probably had the same mentality as yourself- having a discussion about sex and money! Whenever I've had conversations with LEO in the past, I always deflect sexual conversations but they try whatever they can to get me to talk dumb shet! Anyway, buddy, it's your choice. I'd much rather lose 80 than several thousand dollars and then some. Remember this too, in your lifetime, you can only get ONE record sealed. So if you have another arrest record that is causing you to have difficulty obtaining employment, then you get arrested for this thing, you now must decide which to seal- but one of the 2 will still be visible! Like I said, this so-called hobby has the potential to FRUCK your life up forever! This is the purpose of not getting into details with a provider. Even if LEO did still arrest you (and you did not discuss sex and money), the likelihood that you will get off is very strong with a decent attorney. I always say don't hand LEO your azz on a golden platter but hey, have it your way! It's sho life! Have your discussion but like the young lady said, your day IS coming![/QUOTE]You just HAD to write a long ass thesis statement on the dangers of being trapped up in this game, right?? As if I didn't KNOW any better. Look, I'm not saying you should incriminate yourself. What I'm saying is, there is NO WAY OF KNOWING what services these chics offer compared to what you're looking for! So obviously, you need to ask questions. The questions you ask shouldn't be blatantly obvious, but at least "code word" things so you'll know what she will do & won't do. Then you can decide on whether or not you want to see the chic or find someone else. Just like a job interview. You ask questions to the employer in an effort to determine if what they are willing to offer is something you can accept, should they want to give you the job. No guy in their right mind wants to go into something BLINDLY, not knowing what he will be able to do. For chics that have websites & reviews, you pretty much KNOW what they offer & don't offer. So there is NO NEED to ask questions. But the majority of these chics have no reviews, no websites, no nothing. Some don't even state a donation amt. Bkpg ad says nothing. Soooo, how do you suppose to know what THEY will & won't do if they state nothing in their ad & you don't ask questions (in a coded manner! Ex. Instead of asking do you do anal, you could ask: do you offer trips to Greece? Again, that's going in blindly. Now if you want to be the one to throw your hard earned money out in the wind blindly, hey go ahead, do as you please. Its a free country & the free market reins supreme. But I personally think that's very stupid & have no compassion for you when you've been ripped off by a chic. Can't blame providers when you're the one exercising no caution when it comes to your money!

[QUOTE=PristineChase;2578798]I apologize for that comment. I got a little catty, as women sometimes tend to do and I responded out of frustration that you thought the situation was okay. Spear. I just noticed you have been on this board for only a few months, You haven't posted ANY reviews. Just piggy backed and commented on others posts. With all due respect, I would prefer to hear only from the well-standing hobbyists of this community, because they're really who matters. This is one of the most active boards in this area, which is why I posted this issue here and I care only to hear from the regulars of this site and get some insight as to how I can maintain an intimate environment when handling donations. You have no presence on this board, therefore I have no interest at all in your thoughts or ideas concerning this matter. When you post some reviews and gain some credibility here, then I will consider your opinions. Once again, I apologize to you and the community. Your response should not have frustrated me.[/QUOTE]Can you please explain to me the scientific correlation between my post count & the number of reviews I have posted on here. To the validity of the what I stated?

Also, yeah, when it comes to my money. I've worked, grinded & hustled hard for it!! So my money does matter more than the provider. MONEY OVER BITCHEZ!! If I've worked for it. So do you! I am no ROOKIE to this game, just a rookie on this site, (I have plenty of revieIs on ThE otheR site! Look up JTE29). I don't mean any disrespect, but that's just the way the game is.

[QUOTE=YoungRestless;2579153]Your comparison between a conversation about job salaries and benefits versus a conversation with a lady about sex acts is not even close to being comparable (apples to oranges). Number one, there is nothing illegal about a conversation around benefits / salaries, etc. However, so you know, IT IS illegal in many parts of this country to pay for sex. Now, I'd rather lose $60-100 and not go to jail versus not only lose, let's say $80, but my freedom too. Hell, I'd rather lose $500 than to face that BRUTAL legal system and it will not be kind to you! When you can't get certain jobs, can't get into certain college programs, obtain certain professional licenses, can't live in certain areas as some landlords do background checks too; you WILL KNOW how much damage you've done to yourself because you refuse to risk losing $60-80 or whatever. Because once you give that UNDERCOVER that $80 or whatever you agreed upon (after your sex conversation), that won't be the only thing you lose. You WILL go to jail for having a discussion about sex and money then the cost to hire an attorney, bail, then possibly lose your job (as many have) will certainly be more costly than the $80 you might lose. You cannot have a short sighted view of this thing. You have got to think about safety and your future first! Like I said, I am not sure how long you've been doing this but know this, being an active participant in this so-called hobby will FRUCK you up and that's a promise; not from Allstate but from law enforcement! We should all try to pick a girl as carefully as possible but even then, too many variables may still lead to a so so session. Remember, a LEO woman will always try to get you to incriminate yourself (VERBALLY) and will not get naked or anything close to that.

But hey, before you decide to go down the road of your choice, my advice is that you make out a comparison table: a) my method versus b) your method. Under my method, you stand to lose whatever amount you paid for the session; let's say, $80; with your method, providing she is an undercover vice, not only will you lose the $80 but all the other things I listed at the top (loss of job, attorney fees, bail, IN ADDITION- sealing / expungement services, and family in some cases); accumulatively speaking, these services can run you an easy $4000 and we haven't even talked about the embarrassment you will have to face. Just loss of job alone may cause you to have to take a job at McDonald's! You may go from making $80,000 a year to way less than 1/2 that! There was a coach at Bishop Kenny who got caught up in a sting and of course he can't ever teach around kids again plus all the other repercussions of his actions. He probably had the same mentality as yourself- having a discussion about sex and money! Whenever I've had conversations with LEO in the past, I always deflect sexual conversations but they try whatever they can to get me to talk dumb shet! Anyway, buddy, it's your choice. I'd much rather lose 80 than several thousand dollars and then some. Remember this too, in your lifetime, you can only get ONE record sealed. So if you have another arrest record that is causing you to have difficulty obtaining employment, then you get arrested for this thing, you now must decide which to seal- but one of the 2 will still be visible! Like I said, this so-called hobby has the potential to FRUCK your life up forever! This is the purpose of not getting into details with a provider. Even if LEO did still arrest you (and you did not discuss sex and money), the likelihood that you will get off is very strong with a decent attorney. I always say don't hand LEO your azz on a golden platter but hey, have it your way! It's sho life! Have your discussion but like the young lady said, your day IS coming![/QUOTE]Really?? Like po-po can't bust you UNLESS you ask questions! PLEASE!! You do realize all they need is for you to answer the back page ad, show up, hand over money & start taking your clothes off, right? They got your ass then!

How did you find the chics telephone number? Oh, so you were actively perusing thru the escorts section of backpage looking for pay-for-play, right? Because that is the ONLY way you would have got the chics (decoy) number! How did you know exactly what hotel & room number to come to?? How did you know that she wanted $200 per hour & you just so coincidentally showed up with exactly $200?? Oh, so you just randomly show up at any hotel, pick a room out of the blue & hand over $200 to whoever answers the door, right? Then start getting undressed, right?? ROTFLMAO. As if JSO actually NEED you to ask a question!!