Rants and Raves

Let me just put a ribbon on this. Everybody is free to vote for who they want. Everybody has their own opinion. People are free to voice these opinions. (Warning I love puns) This is what makes this country great. Again. The fact that people who buy sex can go on a forum and talk politics instead of pussy is a wonderful thing. I just hope we can all have an open mind and try to understand each other. Doesn't matter if you voted for trump, clinton, or neither. If you are reading this message we are all degenerates in our own little way.

[QUOTE=BunnerySgt;3149488]Using the definition provided by you (LOL). You have proven my point yet again with your faulty logic. My suggestion would be to read the definition in its entirety and apply it to my original statement. As a matter or fact I will put it in terms even you can understand.

Cat equal to animal.

Dog equal to animal.

Dog unequal to cat.

As you can see here these two things can share qualities but still not be the same.

Racists make insensitive comments
Ignorant people make insensitive comments
Ignorant people are not all racists

DO I NEED TO DRAW A FREAKING DIAGRAM AND UPLOAD IT FOR YOU?

If I'm incapable of "constructing a logical argument" you would not be running to the dictionary between replies just to prove a point. Just admit you misunderstood my statement and move on. You also accused me of stating it's "OK to call melania a hoe" and based on this interpretation I am no better than those who like to grab random women "by the pussy". Stop while you're behind. It's "not going to get any better for you".

P. S. When did I characterize him as a racist? Stop making stuff up to suit your narrative.[/QUOTE]This is going to be one of those playing chess with pidgins things. I'm out. Best of luck to you.

A2.

[QUOTE=Admin2;3149727]You said "Quote me where I said his post was hateful. " so I did. Now I need to show you where you specifically said he was a racist? Ok that's easy enough to do.

If the "problem" isn't racism than what is the problem you refer to? If racism is the problem you refer to then you said in essence "if you can't see why this is a problem then you're a racist. " I'm pretty sure the "problem" you refer to isn't global warming.

I scored 790 on the verbals and 750 on the math, I don't need to run to the dictionary to look up words, I provided that definition because obviously you do.

I also don't need diagrams to understand the transitive property. Because your statement above diagrams like this:

A person who was not a racist would understand why that post was racist ("part of the problem," get it "part of" as in "included in").

You don't understand that the post was racist.

You are a racist.

Here's another definition for you, Ad Hominum Attack; is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

So please, keep proving my point by attacking me.

A2.[/QUOTE]OK sooo now we're dropping SAT scores? I've let this go on long enough. I've said my piece. You've said your piece. The end.

P. S. No hard feelings

I just surfed backpage for a hot minute and that shit is blah. The same ole tired worn out faces spamming the board with their tired ass ads. Lady, if you've been running $40 and $50 specials for the past 3 years now, its time to "get out of the game". Some of these chics are nowhereans. They're going nowhere fast. I'm looking at some of these ads and I see, "No fetish, No bare, No anal, No BBJ, No black men, No men under 30, No kissing, No GFE". And I see this all in one ad! Jezus Piece! These chics got all these no, no, no to everything, who do you think will actually patronize your services. You don't do much of anything.

Why are some of these chics even doing this in the first place? I even ask some chics via text if they do bb mouth and they get offended and say don't text me anymore, I play it safe. I'm like really? That offends you. Your on a freaking sex site for crying out loud. Nothing sexual should offend you. What, do you think guys want to pay $100 qv for everything covered with a chic on Panola Road? These chics are freaking ridiculous and what's worse you got some saps who are actually patronizing these ridiculous chics. I just read a review on that [URL]escortbabylon.com[/URL] (corny ass site).

Some guy there just paid $240 for an hour with an unknown backpage chic. He said she had alot of rules and he wasn't allowed to kiss her. What a cornball? Why would you pay all that money to an unknown, then you get disrespected when she hits you with her never ending rule book. Stupid! These dudes are so desperate. They think paying more money equates to better service and more loosening of the rules. Reality check! Since I've been doing this, I've noticed that most of these chics are ungrateful. You can empty your whole bank account on them and they will still hit you with the rule book and rush you out of there in 15 minutes or less.

Reality check!! Most of these chics who have ads on backpage and the likes are only doing this for 1 thing. Money!! They're looking for fast money and only see you as a bank account. Their main goal is to extract as much money out of you as possible. They don't want any regulars. They don't care if you never come back again. They just want you in and out as quickly as possible and have the next trick coming in right behind you. These boneheads are so stupid, that's what they think its all about. Getting guys in and out of there as quickly as possible. They don't realize that, that will dry out real fast when word gets around that they're a waste of time. Then they'll wish that they provided good service to the imbecile that gave them $240 per hour who they hit with the rule book.

When guys start low balling them with $30 and $40 deals, they'll realize what an ass they was to disrespect the guy that gave them $240 bucks. And furthermore, why are these chics ripping off guys that are paying $240, $300, $400 for their services. It baffles me when I see a review of a guy that paid $400 and the chic rushed him out of there with shitty service. Like beeyotch, what were you thinking? You don't ever rip off guys that are paying that much money. That's your bread and butter you asshole! You give those guys what they want so they can keep coming back with $240, $300, and $400 bucks. Those same guys can tell their $240, $300, $400 paying friends about you and you can have more big ballers on your team.

These chics are so fucking stupid its a shame. Then they complain about not making any money and guys low balling them. That's what you get you asshole for ripping off a guy that paid you $240 and you shitted him with your bullshit rule book. Dumb ass!! These chic's don't know how to make any money. That's why you got chic's like Black Cherry who's been selling ass on backpage and the streets for years and still lives in the hood with no transportation. That chic should be floating on money right now the way she has so many people talking about her, but that bonehead still can't get her act together. You can call that moron a 100 times a day and that fool would never pick up the phone. How the hell do you plan on making any money asshole if you don't even answer your freaking phone!!

I'm just sick and tired of seeing the same ole tired stupid morons flooding the internet with their tired ole ads. Go retire already and get a good civie job!! Your presence is exasperating!

I see a BP and call and get Voicemail to which I leave a message. Then I send a quick text asking "if they have any availibility today" . Fucking crickets. I look at recommendations on here, same thing. I look on the oThER site, same thing. I will literally text 10 chicks in a day with 0 responses and nada, zip, nothing.

Sure, I get lucky sometime but even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometime. I'm using the sideline app and seemed to have better luck on the Tracphone but not sure its related.

Anyone else have the same experience? Advice? Ain't no one got time to spend 4 hours for a qv.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3168400]I just surfed backpage for a hot minute and that shit is blah. The same ole tired worn out faces spamming the board with their tired ass ads. Lady, if you've been running $40 and $50 specials for the past 3 years now, its time to "get out of the game". Some of these chics are nowhereans. They're going nowhere fast. I'm looking at some of these ads and I see, "No fetish, No bare, No anal, No BBJ, No black men, No men under 30, No kissing, No GFE". And I see this all in one ad! Jezus Piece! These chics got all these no, no, no to everything, who do you think will actually patronize your services. You don't do much of anything.

Why are some of these chics even doing this in the first place? I even ask some chics via text if they do bb mouth and they get offended and say don't text me anymore, I play it safe. I'm like really? That offends you. Your on a freaking sex site for crying out loud. Nothing sexual should offend you. What, do you think guys want to pay $100 qv for everything covered with a chic on Panola Road? These chics are freaking ridiculous and what's worse you got some saps who are actually patronizing these ridiculous chics. I just read a review on that [URL]escortbabylon.com[/URL] (corny ass site).

Some guy there just paid $240 for an hour with an unknown backpage chic. He said she had alot of rules and he wasn't allowed to kiss her. What a cornball? Why would you pay all that money to an unknown, then you get disrespected when she hits you with her never ending rule book. Stupid! These dudes are so desperate. They think paying more money equates to better service and more loosening of the rules. Reality check! Since I've been doing this, I've noticed that most of these chics are ungrateful. You can empty your whole bank account on them and they will still hit you with the rule book and rush you out of there in 15 minutes or less.

Reality check!! Most of these chics who have ads on backpage and the likes are only doing this for 1 thing. Money!! They're looking for fast money and only see you as a bank account. Their main goal is to extract as much money out of you as possible. They don't want any regulars. They don't care if you never come back again. They just want you in and out as quickly as possible and have the next trick coming in right behind you. These boneheads are so stupid, that's what they think its all about. Getting guys in and out of there as quickly as possible. They don't realize that, that will dry out real fast when word gets around that they're a waste of time. Then they'll wish that they provided good service to the imbecile that gave them $240 per hour who they hit with the rule book.

When guys start low balling them with $30 and $40 deals, they'll realize what an ass they was to disrespect the guy that gave them $240 bucks. And furthermore, why are these chics ripping off guys that are paying $240, $300, $400 for their services. It baffles me when I see a review of a guy that paid $400 and the chic rushed him out of there with shitty service. Like beeyotch, what were you thinking? You don't ever rip off guys that are paying that much money. That's your bread and butter you asshole! You give those guys what they want so they can keep coming back with $240, $300, and $400 bucks. Those same guys can tell their $240, $300, $400 paying friends about you and you can have more big ballers on your team.

These chics are so fucking stupid its a shame. Then they complain about not making any money and guys low balling them. That's what you get you asshole for ripping off a guy that paid you $240 and you shitted him with your bullshit rule book. Dumb ass!! These chic's don't know how to make any money. That's why you got chic's like Black Cherry who's been selling ass on backpage and the streets for years and still lives in the hood with no transportation. That chic should be floating on money right now the way she has so many people talking about her, but that bonehead still can't get her act together. You can call that moron a 100 times a day and that fool would never pick up the phone. How the hell do you plan on making any money asshole if you don't even answer your freaking phone!!

I'm just sick and tired of seeing the same ole tired stupid morons flooding the internet with their tired ole ads. Go retire already and get a good civie job!! Your presence is exasperating![/QUOTE]You are preaching to the choir. The providers have zero incentive to provide good service or honor their services advertised.

Thirsty, worthless and horny old S. I. M. P.S. With low self esteem don't give them any pushback whatsoever. They have no backbone with their wives or with a bird on backpage.

Manhood has become a joke in this feminized society. The cookies are placed on too high of a pedestal. Men have the resources the providers NEED to survive, while providers have the goods men WANT REALLY BAD!

Those beta males are complacent in their position, and as a result the women do the bare minimum. If only those old fools would realize they need us and we simply WANT them.

Women greatly outnumber men, so why do we treat them like they are rare and indisposable? While on the other hand, men are the minority, especially rich men. Yet they get treated as if they are disposable and easily replaced.

The bottom line is: as long as men are willing to put up with the bs, then it will NEVER change. If men only had more self-control / discipline, myself included!!

Men stand up and realize your worth!! Also realize the worth of your money!! You work hard for it, they don't!

However I am wasting my time ranting about this. The status quo will most likely never change anytime soon. I vow to leave this game before I turn 30 and become a worthless simp like some of the clowns who drop 250+ for subpar service.

It is irrelevant how much money you make. If you are dropping 250+ on BP then you are just an idiot with low sdlf-esteem even if you are a millionaire. Some clown here had the audacity to say he doesn't mind wasting money, disgusting!!

I'll repeat it one last time for the choir:

Men stand up and realize your worth!! Also realize the worth of your money!! You work hard for it, they don't!!

Stop enabling them to treat you like crap! Money talks and your money is saying: "treat me like crap, I don't care what you do!

Rant over!

Been a lot of gang bangs going on lately with a couple attractive ladies, attractive ladies I'd like to bang my damn self. I'm just trying to bring in the understanding of a gangbang. Do you have to be a slight homosexual / bi guy to fully enjoy the gangbang experience. The only way that I can see myself being in a gang bang is if I smash first, get my nut, and than watch everybody else get theirs. Play with a nipple, get some head. Kill some time.

Being around other dudes naked is something you get use to while in the military, not so much now but when open bay showers were the norm. I can get by with understanding that. I just can't understand the sloppy seconds for the life of me. I can't imagine immediately sticking my dick in some pussy that is dripping with someone else's nut. That's not a pot that I want to stir. I wouldn't be able to keep wood.

So my question for the straight dudes is, how do you participate in a gang gang and fully enjoy yourself? Are mental blocks used?

[QUOTE=BigComanche;3169379]I see a BP and call and get Voicemail to which I leave a message. Then I send a quick text asking "if they have any availibility today" . Fucking crickets. I look at recommendations on here, same thing. I look on the oThER site, same thing. I will literally text 10 chicks in a day with 0 responses and nada, zip, nothing.

Sure, I get lucky sometime but even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometime. I'm using the sideline app and seemed to have better luck on the Tracphone but not sure its related.

Anyone else have the same experience? Advice? Ain't no one got time to spend 4 hours for a qv.[/QUOTE]I pretty much don't bother with BP unless it's a girl who's been positively mentioned here, but generally I get a pretty quick initial response; where girls shut down is when they realize you're not going to see them RIGHT NOW. For example, I might send a text asking for a rate quote, and then I get that pretty quickly; if I then say "are you available weekday mornings" (or whatever; I like to have an idea of some girls I can call at certain times), THEN it might go "crickets".

A lot of these girls are looking for fairly immediate responses at the time they post; I think if you look at some of your nonresponsive girls, you'll discover they posted there ads at a few hours remove from your call.

I like to prospect: I get the rates and availability down so I can call them on an hour's notice (or whatever) later. It works less well with the intermittent type girls who are doing this to augment their McDonald's job, versus the actual pro hoes who tend to be more widely available and responsive (because they are literally living in a hotel room waiting for calls and knocks).

O.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3169588]Blah blah blah

Rant over![/QUOTE]If you're basing your sense of self esteem on how you treat some Panola Road hoe, you're doing it wrong. And stop thinking and worrying so much about what other men are doing with their dicks!

Literally, this whole thing should be as simple as finding a suitable girl, swinging by the ATM on the way there, wetting your dick, and then being on your way; if you're desperately preoccupied with some kind of half-baked economic philosophy of hoeing outside of that interval, well, hey, guess what? There are cheaper hobbies.

O.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMapalo;3168400]I just surfed backpage for a hot minute and that shit is blah. The same ole tired worn out faces spamming the board with their tired ass ads. Lady, if you've been running $40 and $50 specials for the past 3 years now, its time to "get out of the game". Some of these chics are nowhereans. They're going nowhere fast. I'm looking at some of these ads and I see, "No fetish, No bare, No anal, No BBJ, No black men, No men under 30, No kissing, No GFE". And I see this all in one ad! Jezus Piece! These chics got all these no, no, no to everything, who do you think will actually patronize your services. You don't do much of anything.

Why are some of these chics even doing this in the first place? I even ask some chics via text if they do bb mouth and they get offended and say don't text me anymore, I play it safe. I'm like really? That offends you. Your on a freaking sex site for crying out loud. Nothing sexual should offend you. What, do you think guys want to pay $100 qv for everything covered with a chic on Panola Road? These chics are freaking ridiculous and what's worse you got some saps who are actually patronizing these ridiculous chics. I just read a review on that [URL]escortbabylon.com[/URL] (corny ass site).

Some guy there just paid $240 for an hour with an unknown backpage chic. He said she had alot of rules and he wasn't allowed to kiss her. What a cornball? Why would you pay all that money to an unknown, then you get disrespected when she hits you with her never ending rule book. Stupid! These dudes are so desperate. They think paying more money equates to better service and more loosening of the rules. Reality check! Since I've been doing this, I've noticed that most of these chics are ungrateful. You can empty your whole bank account on them and they will still hit you with the rule book and rush you out of there in 15 minutes or less.

Reality check!! Most of these chics who have ads on backpage and the likes are only doing this for 1 thing. Money!! They're looking for fast money and only see you as a bank account. Their main goal is to extract as much money out of you as possible. They don't want any regulars. They don't care if you never come back again. They just want you in and out as quickly as possible and have the next trick coming in right behind you. These boneheads are so stupid, that's what they think its all about. Getting guys in and out of there as quickly as possible. They don't realize that, that will dry out real fast when word gets around that they're a waste of time. Then they'll wish that they provided good service to the imbecile that gave them $240 per hour who they hit with the rule book.

When guys start low balling them with $30 and $40 deals, they'll realize what an ass they was to disrespect the guy that gave them $240 bucks. And furthermore, why are these chics ripping off guys that are paying $240, $300, $400 for their services. It baffles me when I see a review of a guy that paid $400 and the chic rushed him out of there with shitty service. Like beeyotch, what were you thinking? You don't ever rip off guys that are paying that much money. That's your bread and butter you asshole! You give those guys what they want so they can keep coming back with $240, $300, and $400 bucks. Those same guys can tell their $240, $300, $400 paying friends about you and you can have more big ballers on your team.

These chics are so fucking stupid its a shame. Then they complain about not making any money and guys low balling them. That's what you get you asshole for ripping off a guy that paid you $240 and you shitted him with your bullshit rule book. Dumb ass!! These chic's don't know how to make any money. That's why you got chic's like Black Cherry who's been selling ass on backpage and the streets for years and still lives in the hood with no transportation. That chic should be floating on money right now the way she has so many people talking about her, but that bonehead still can't get her act together. You can call that moron a 100 times a day and that fool would never pick up the phone. How the hell do you plan on making any money asshole if you don't even answer your freaking phone!!

I'm just sick and tired of seeing the same ole tired stupid morons flooding the internet with their tired ole ads. Go retire already and get a good civie job!! Your presence is exasperating![/QUOTE][URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/exotic-pretty-petite-upscale-experience-german-puerto-rican/41178528[/URL]

[QUOTE=GetUrRollOnMan;3170621]Been a lot of gang bangs going on lately with a couple attractive ladies, attractive ladies I'd like to bang my damn self. I'm just trying to bring in the understanding of a gangbang. Do you have to be a slight homosexual / bi guy to fully enjoy the gangbang experience. The only way that I can see myself being in a gang bang is if I smash first, get my nut, and than watch everybody else get theirs. Play with a nipple, get some head. Kill some time.

Being around other dudes naked is something you get use to while in the military, not so much now but when open bay showers were the norm. I can get by with understanding that. I just can't understand the sloppy seconds for the life of me. I can't imagine immediately sticking my dick in some pussy that is dripping with someone else's nut. That's not a pot that I want to stir. I wouldn't be able to keep wood.

So my question for the straight dudes is, how do you participate in a gang gang and fully enjoy yourself? Are mental blocks used?[/QUOTE]

Have you ever had an erection while watching guy-girl straight porn? Was it the guy or the girl that turned you on? If you aren't sure then you have something to think about. If you are sure that it's the girl that turned you on then this is just like that. Ignore the guy focus on the girl.

We have a rule "no male or male contact", which lets bi-guys know this is NOT that kind of party. These are strictly straight only events.

Usually the girls cleanup with wipes between guys. There are some guys that tell the girls not to cleanup and go in sloppy seconds.

I thought it would be odd too being in the same room as other naked guys, but your focus naturally goes to the girls and you mentally block the guys.

The appeal of the gangbang in my opinion is that I can get off and watch pretty girls get fucked while I wait to be ready to go again. So it's sex, watch live porn, and then more sex, all for the price of a QV.

Here's a bit of reality for ya. We've all probably had sloppy seconds whether we realize it or not. If ever visit professional girls you know some guy just left that hole a few minutes before you walked in the door.

Even nonprofessional girls too. When I was in college I knew a girl that dated several guys and none of the guys knew about the others. She told me she often had sex with two of them within an hour of each other.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3170815]If you're basing your sense of self esteem on how you treat some Panola Road hoe, you're doing it wrong. And stop thinking and worrying so much about what other men are doing with their dicks!

Literally, this whole thing should be as simple as finding a suitable girl, swinging by the ATM on the way there, wetting your dick, and then being on your way; if you're desperately preoccupied with some kind of half-baked economic philosophy of hoeing outside of that interval, well, hey, guess what? There are cheaper hobbies.

O.[/QUOTE]A hit dog will holler, looks like my aim is still spot on. Thanks for exposing yourself LOL, I knew it would bring you out.

Continue doing what you want with your money, rich old man.

Like I said in post, the status quo will probably never change.

What a shame.

[QUOTE=Mrmojo69;3171124]Have you ever had an erection while watching guy-girl straight porn? Was it the guy or the girl that turned you on? If you aren't sure then you have something to think about. If you are sure that it's the girl that turned you on then this is just like that. Ignore the guy focus on the girl.

We have a rule "no male or male contact", which lets bi-guys know this is NOT that kind of party. These are strictly straight only events.

Usually the girls cleanup with wipes between guys. There are some guys that tell the girls not to cleanup and go in sloppy seconds.

I thought it would be odd too being in the same room as other naked guys, but your focus naturally goes to the girls and you mentally block the guys.

The appeal of the gangbang in my opinion is that I can get off and watch pretty girls get fucked while I wait to be ready to go again. So it's sex, watch live porn, and then more sex, all for the price of a QV.

Here's a bit of reality for ya. We've all probably had sloppy seconds whether we realize it or not. If ever visit professional girls you know some guy just left that hole a few minutes before you walked in the door.

Even nonprofessional girls too. When I was in college I knew a girl that dated several guys and none of the guys knew about the others. She told me she often had sex with two of them within an hour of each other.[/QUOTE]Cracks me up when people brag about how creamy a provider got for their visit.

[QUOTE=GetUrRollOnMan;3170621]Been a lot of gang bangs going on lately with a couple attractive ladies, attractive ladies I'd like to bang my damn self. I'm just trying to bring in the understanding of a gangbang. Do you have to be a slight homosexual / bi guy to fully enjoy the gangbang experience. The only way that I can see myself being in a gang bang is if I smash first, get my nut, and than watch everybody else get theirs. Play with a nipple, get some head. Kill some time.

Being around other dudes naked is something you get use to while in the military, not so much now but when open bay showers were the norm. I can get by with understanding that. I just can't understand the sloppy seconds for the life of me. I can't imagine immediately sticking my dick in some pussy that is dripping with someone else's nut. That's not a pot that I want to stir. I wouldn't be able to keep wood.

So my question for the straight dudes is, how do you participate in a gang gang and fully enjoy yourself? Are mental blocks used?[/QUOTE]I'm so confident in my heterosexuality that a bunch of hard legs can't keep me from fucking a couple of hot girls multiple times.

[QUOTE=JusTheTip;3171484]I'm so confident in my heterosexuality that a bunch of hard legs can't keep me from fucking a couple of hot girls multiple times.[/QUOTE]Well said.

[QUOTE=HeadHunting;3170859][URL]http://atlanta.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/exotic-pretty-petite-upscale-experience-german-puerto-rican/41178528[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow!! She is very cute and young, but 500 for 30 minutes to an hr with her is ridiculous.

500 is damn near rent money for some people. Only rich and old SIMPs like ozymandias would pay a ridiculous rate like that.

I pity the fool who is that desperate to pay a chick 500 just for an hr of her time.

Disgusting.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3174615]Wow!! She is very cute and young, but 500 for 30 minutes to an hr with her is ridiculous.

500 is damn near rent money for some people. Only rich and old SIMPs like ozymandias would pay a ridiculous rate like that.

I pity the fool who is that desperate to pay a chick 500 just for an hr of her time.

Disgusting.[/QUOTE]It's all relative and why some dudes enjoy expensive wine and others prefer the cheap stuff. I wouldn't sweat it, there are price points for all hobbyists.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3174615]Wow!! She is very cute and young, but 500 for 30 minutes to an hr with her is ridiculous.

500 is damn near rent money for some people. Only rich and old SIMPs like ozymandias would pay a ridiculous rate like that.

I pity the fool who is that desperate to pay a chick 500 just for an hr of her time.

Disgusting.[/QUOTE]My dude, you specifically and a couple other chumps really sound like some sucker style busters. Please stop counting other dudes money just because you don't have much, it's really getting pathetic. You're the type dude that gets salty because some G's in the club spending big chips when you can't, saying something like, "them dudes simps for popping those black bottles and those Rose Perrier Jouet's, they could have just got a bud". Yeah, but that ain't what the fuck they wanted goofy. I don't know you but aways counting another mans money and worrying about what somebody else has in their pockets reeks of being a true simp ass, duck, no business having, born insecure super lame, you even surpassed super lame simple, you're an ultra lame, Urkel. Go look in the mirror and say, "see a simp smack a simp", and smack yourself.

And don't say anything back to me either, this is not a conversation. Just learn from it and stop worrying about what others do with their paper, make and mind yours.

[QUOTE=GrChZebo;3174729]My dude, you specifically and a couple other chumps really sound like some sucker style busters. Please stop counting other dudes money just because you don't have much, it's really getting pathetic. You're the type dude that gets salty because some G's in the club spending big chips when you can't, saying something like, "them dudes simps for popping those black bottles and those Rose Perrier Jouet's, they could have just got a bud". Yeah, but that ain't what the fuck they wanted goofy. I don't know you but aways counting another mans money and worrying about what somebody else has in their pockets reeks of being a true simp ass, duck, no business having, born insecure super lame, you even surpassed super lame simple, you're an ultra lame, Urkel.[/QUOTE]Oh I could spend 500, but I'm not stupid enough to do that. Neither am I a beta male like the SIMPs who do that.

Comparing tricking off to spending big money in the club is like comparing apples and spaghetti.

Furthermore, who gives a flying Fvck what you think of me?

My aim has been spot on lately. So far I've managed to hit 2 SIMPs. The rest of you clowns need to come out the bushes before you get hit with another stone!!

Thanks for the comedy, I needed a good laugh before bed.

Keep wasting 500 on these birds, hopefully you'll end up like that rich old simp on Glenwood.

LOL I am robin hood to these simpletons!

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3174615]Wow!! She is very cute and young, but 500 for 30 minutes to an hr with her is ridiculous.

500 is damn near rent money for some people. Only rich and old SIMPs like ozymandias would pay a ridiculous rate like that.

I pity the fool who is that desperate to pay a chick 500 just for an hr of her time.

Disgusting.[/QUOTE]Yeah, she's pretty cute. Nothing special, really; typical Cheetah girl level. I'd pay $200, maybe $250 if I knew I was going in bare. $500 is just a fishing expedition on her part (an earlier ad asked for $350).

I myself don't like paying people for their time, though sometimes it's just the way it is: I pay my CPA $200 an hour, though it's my corporate attorney who really gouges me (like $700 an hour?, and $5000 for a draft of a contract), but those guys keep me out of prison, so, worth it, I guess!

I pay for SERVICE, and I usually think of it in 30 minute chunks, just because generally a particular act will be featured in that time, so if I see a girl for an hour, I assume I'll fuck her to nut twice, or she'll suck me off once and we'll fuck once, or whatever. If I work a third into an hour, that's just chemistry, usually. I think $200 an hour is fair for the girls I usually see (very pretty, thin, young, clean, good head game, nice incall, tight pussy, good cowgirl skills, arches her back the right way in doggie, etc). If a girl is below that standard, I'm really not interested from a pay for play perspective; my time is limited, and I demand a great session. If she's amazing, she can be worth more. I reward skill, but I strictly manage value.

So there was a blazingly hot Pink Pony girl (Cheyene, if some folks remember the Pony ten years ago), tiny, slim little Filipina, and I used to pay her $400 or $500 (I don't recall exactly) and come by to fuck her at her apartment; some of the best head I ever had, incredibly bald and smooth one-finger pussy which would cream up and literally drip on the sheets, just an amazing little brown fuck machine. Totally worth it.

My exceptions to the rules have been the occasional Penthouse Pet (3), Hustler Honey (2), or porn star (10-12? In which case, kind of "whatever goes". I paid Jade Marcella $1000 to fuck her in the ass when I was in LA once (worth it), which I think is the most I've paid. Most recently I paid $500 to fuck Elsa Jean: [URL]https://twitter.com/elsajeanxxx?lang=en[/URL].

(Interestingly, porn stars have come down in price, from over $1000 to more in line with higher-level escort pricing).

My feeling is that most folks on this forum are too preoccupied with spending as little as possible, with the result that nearly all reviews are bad. I no longer review girls I see here, because even though they're pretty much all good experiences, with even some real gems, they're all well above the price point of interest here. Back when I started hobbying, I'd see fewer but better girls, because I was looking for a novel experience anyway; I was already fucking girlfriends all the time, and the hoes just rounded things out (I may love steak, but sometimes I want chicken, right?) What's better, five shitty $60 quickies on Old Nat, or one $300 fuckfest with a model quality girl in a nice hotel?

Anyway, this is a philosophical argument as old as the hobby itself.

But back to the girl in question: if I hear something good, I may check her out. Otherwise, if I want to sink my dick into some slim latina pussy, choice of the moment is one of Kacey Bangz's (herself a fun ride) new $300 girls, Katalina; [URL]http://thebangzcollection.companionfiles.com/models/39292[/URL].

O.

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3174751]Yeah, she's pretty cute. Nothing special, really; typical Cheetah girl level. I'd pay $200, maybe $250 if I knew I was going in bare. $500 is just a fishing expedition on her part (an earlier ad asked for $350).

I myself don't like paying people for their time, though sometimes it's just the way it is: I pay my CPA $200 an hour, though it's my corporate attorney who really gouges me (like $700 an hour?, and $5000 for a draft of a contract), but those guys keep me out of prison, so, worth it, I guess!

I pay for SERVICE, and I usually think of it in 30 minute chunks, just because generally a particular act will be featured in that time, so if I see a girl for an hour, I assume I'll fuck her to nut twice, or she'll suck me off once and we'll fuck once, or whatever. If I work a third into an hour, that's just chemistry, usually. I think $200 an hour is fair for the girls I usually see (very pretty, thin, young, clean, good head game, nice incall, tight pussy, good cowgirl skills, arches her back the right way in doggie, etc). If a girl is below that standard, I'm really not interested from a pay for play perspective; my time is limited, and I demand a great session. If she's amazing, she can be worth more. I reward skill, but I strictly manage value.

So there was a blazingly hot Pink Pony girl (Cheyene, if some folks remember the Pony ten years ago), tiny, slim little Filipina, and I used to pay her $400 or $500 (I don't recall exactly) and come by to fuck her at her apartment; some of the best head I ever had, incredibly bald and smooth one-finger pussy which would cream up and literally drip on the sheets, just an amazing little brown fuck machine. Totally worth it.

My exceptions to the rules have been the occasional Penthouse Pet (3), Hustler Honey (2), or porn star (10-12? In which case, kind of "whatever goes". I paid Jade Marcella $1000 to fuck her in the ass when I was in LA once (worth it), which I think is the most I've paid. Most recently I paid $500 to fuck Elsa Jean: [URL]https://twitter.com/elsajeanxxx?lang=en[/URL].

(Interestingly, porn stars have come down in price, from over $1000 to more in line with higher-level escort pricing).

My feeling is that most folks on this forum are too preoccupied with spending as little as possible, with the result that nearly all reviews are bad. I no longer review girls I see here, because even though they're pretty much all good experiences, with even some real gems, they're all well above the price point of interest here. Back when I started hobbying, I'd see fewer but better girls, because I was looking for a novel experience anyway; I was already fucking girlfriends all the time, and the hoes just rounded things out (I may love steak, but sometimes I want chicken, right?) What's better, five shitty $60 quickies on Old Nat, or one $300 fuckfest with a model quality girl in a nice hotel?

Anyway, this is a philosophical argument as old as the hobby itself.

But back to the girl in question: if I hear something good, I may check her out. Otherwise, if I want to sink my dick into some slim latina pussy, choice of the moment is one of Kacey Bangz's (herself a fun ride) new $300 girls, Katalina; [URL]http://thebangzcollection.companionfiles.com/models/39292[/URL].

O.[/QUOTE]Interesting philosophy, five 60 sessions on old Nat vs one 300 session translates into 5 nuts busted vs 2 or maybe 1 as many don't allow multipops.

I hear you though ozy, to each his own because you know I don't care for the spinners you would drop 300+ on. Though on the same token, I know you don't like thick or big butt women.

LOL maybe we can agree on big breasts. Everybody loves big breasts right?

Who is to say the 5 sessions on old Nat would be shitty? Also, lower budget sessions are all over the place and in decent areas.

You can get 3 good 80 hr sessions in upscale / safe areas like buckhead, lenox mall area or even midtown. Which would be 240, still a better deal than one pop for 300.

Also, you could get scammed out of your 300 like many foolish mongers do on TER.

The real truth is, you have a lot of disposable income so you don't mind wasting it. I could never adopt such a philosophy, even if I was a trillionaire. There are some other wealthy men who think the same way.

Also, for those who don't understand me. Its not about how much you spend, its about what your spending it on.

Half those high priced "upscale" providers aren't worth the fee of admission. Whether you can afford it or not is irrelevant, stop cosigning the bs.

Cmon guys, Don't be a beta provider for these entitled girl next door types charging 300+ They are getting over on you guys, period!!

[QUOTE=Ozymandias;3174751]Yeah, she's pretty cute. Nothing special, really; typical Cheetah girl level. I'd pay $200, maybe $250 if I knew I was going in bare. $500 is just a fishing expedition on her part (an earlier ad asked for $350).

I myself don't like paying people for their time, though sometimes it's just the way it is: I pay my CPA $200 an hour, though it's my corporate attorney who really gouges me (like $700 an hour?, and $5000 for a draft of a contract), but those guys keep me out of prison, so, worth it, I guess!

I pay for SERVICE, and I usually think of it in 30 minute chunks, just because generally a particular act will be featured in that time, so if I see a girl for an hour, I assume I'll fuck her to nut twice, or she'll suck me off once and we'll fuck once, or whatever. If I work a third into an hour, that's just chemistry, usually. I think $200 an hour is fair for the girls I usually see (very pretty, thin, young, clean, good head game, nice incall, tight pussy, good cowgirl skills, arches her back the right way in doggie, etc). If a girl is below that standard, I'm really not interested from a pay for play perspective; my time is limited, and I demand a great session. If she's amazing, she can be worth more. I reward skill, but I strictly manage value.

So there was a blazingly hot Pink Pony girl (Cheyene, if some folks remember the Pony ten years ago), tiny, slim little Filipina, and I used to pay her $400 or $500 (I don't recall exactly) and come by to fuck her at her apartment; some of the best head I ever had, incredibly bald and smooth one-finger pussy which would cream up and literally drip on the sheets, just an amazing little brown fuck machine. Totally worth it.

My exceptions to the rules have been the occasional Penthouse Pet (3), Hustler Honey (2), or porn star (10-12? In which case, kind of "whatever goes". I paid Jade Marcella $1000 to fuck her in the ass when I was in LA once (worth it), which I think is the most I've paid. Most recently I paid $500 to fuck Elsa Jean: [URL]https://twitter.com/elsajeanxxx?lang=en[/URL].

(Interestingly, porn stars have come down in price, from over $1000 to more in line with higher-level escort pricing).

My feeling is that most folks on this forum are too preoccupied with spending as little as possible, with the result that nearly all reviews are bad. I no longer review girls I see here, because even though they're pretty much all good experiences, with even some real gems, they're all well above the price point of interest here. Back when I started hobbying, I'd see fewer but better girls, because I was looking for a novel experience anyway; I was already fucking girlfriends all the time, and the hoes just rounded things out (I may love steak, but sometimes I want chicken, right?) What's better, five shitty $60 quickies on Old Nat, or one $300 fuckfest with a model quality girl in a nice hotel?

Anyway, this is a philosophical argument as old as the hobby itself.

But back to the girl in question: if I hear something good, I may check her out. Otherwise, if I want to sink my dick into some slim latina pussy, choice of the moment is one of Kacey Bangz's (herself a fun ride) new $300 girls, Katalina; [URL]http://thebangzcollection.companionfiles.com/models/39292[/URL].

O.[/QUOTE]I don't know, the thrill of getting good mileage for low coin is part of the turn on for some mongers.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3174735]Oh I could spend 500, but I'm not stupid enough to do that. Neither am I a beta male like the SIMPs who do that.

Comparing tricking off to spending big money in the club is like comparing apples and spaghetti.

Furthermore, who gives a flying Fvck what you think of me?

My aim has been spot on lately. So far I've managed to hit 2 SIMPs. The rest of you clowns need to come out the bushes before you get hit with another stone!!

Thanks for the comedy, I needed a good laugh before bed.

Keep wasting 500 on these birds, hopefully you'll end up like that rich old simp on Glenwood.

LOL I am robin hood to these simpletons![/QUOTE]That shit was funny, but didn't I tell you not to say anything to me boy.

P, you don't get it, you ain't hit shit. I'm not old, I'm going to get rich or die trying and I'm not spending big dough on any broad. And as far as Glenwood, ain't nothing happening to me over there but having a good time. That's my old stomp, back before they built the new houses on White Oak, when it used to be a bunch of broads by that little apt buildings at the bottom of Line St, Jughead, the vegetarian Rasta spot and the CD spot across from the old Ms winners, Angie, big booty Chalasa and the older bird that used to take her dentures out to slob it, 4 way, all that. I'm more like you then You realize(except you clock fellas) and as such, whether me or you like it, we represent each other to the world and I can't just sit around and let you think that clocking another mans pocket is cool, that's the real issue.

You don't have to care what I say, but I bet money there ain't no other man here that will tell you that one man watching another mans money and how he spends is cool, except maybe Johnny, but he's a bloodclaat ediot to blow wow, dibi dibi punk madascunt, a real fish ya know chargie. Just admit you're a sucker for it and we can move on.

Further, you call Ozy old and rich as if that's an insult. Fool, calling someone rich is a compliment, dumbass.

Now let us see what hit dog holla.

[QUOTE=GrChZebo;3175009]That shit was funny, but didn't I tell you not to say anything to me boy.

P, you don't get it, you ain't hit shit. I'm not old, I'm going to get rich or die trying and I'm not spending big dough on any broad. And as far as Glenwood, ain't nothing happening to me over there but having a good time. That's my old stomp, back before they built the new houses on White Oak, when it used to be a bunch of broads by that little apt buildings at the bottom of Line St, Jughead, the vegetarian Rasta spot and the CD spot across from the old Ms winners, Angie, big booty Chalasa and the older bird that used to take her dentures out to slob it, 4 way, all that. I'm more like you then You realize and as such, whether me or you like it, we represent each other to the world and I can't just sit around and let you think that clocking another mans pocket is cool, that's the real issue.

You don't have to care what I say, but I bet money there ain't no other man here that will tell you that one man watching another mans money and how he spends is cool, except maybe Johnny, but he's a bloodclaat ediot to blow wow, dibi dibi punk madascunt, a real fish ya know chargie. Just admit you're a sucker for it and we can move on.

Further, you call Ozy old and rich as if that's an insult. Fool, calling someone rich is a compliment, dumbass.[/QUOTE]LOL a hit dog will holler. You can have the last words, I've said my piece and I'm sticking with it.

Me and you the same? No I am cut from a different fabric, and Johnny Mapalo is the man LOL.

I don't know if I would say Parrot is counting coins, so much as speaking truth from his perspective.

We all know there are some that will spend much more than what a service is worth and those who will low ball for good service. My problem would be when someone spends more on a service provider that was ok with accepting a certain amount and after the "high-end" encounter with a patron, she now feels entitled to change her rate, service and attitude. So, it indirectly messes up your situation, as a chick you like now will either cost you more or force you to leave in search of what you had before (service and price point).

I can understand the "stay in your lane" comment. But that's the game for ya.

[QUOTE=Wleakr;3175605]I don't know if I would say Parrot is counting coins, so much as speaking truth from his perspective.

We all know there are some that will spend much more than what a service is worth and those who will low ball for good service. My problem would be when someone spends more on a service provider that was ok with accepting a certain amount and after the "high-end" encounter with a patron, she now feels entitled to change her rate, service and attitude. So, it indirectly messes up your situation, as a chick you like now will either cost you more or force you to leave in search of what you had before (service and price point).

I can understand the "stay in your lane" comment. But that's the game for ya.[/QUOTE]Bingo!! You are one of the intelligent guys in here, thanks for your post. I was starting to think I was the only analytical thinker around here.

"A fool and his money are soon parted".

- Thomas Tusser.

[QUOTE=NuGuy36;3174705]It's all relative and why some dudes enjoy expensive wine and others prefer the cheap stuff. I wouldn't sweat it, there are price points for all hobbyists.[/QUOTE]I hear you, but understand that paying more does not equal better service.

Maybe that philosophy can be apllied to fine wines, clothes and vehicles. When it comes to birds on backpage, you get what they give you, not necessarily what you paid for.

Higher rates does not equal better quality service. Or you wouldn't have guys getting scammed out of 250+.

Paying more guarantees nothing, please understand this philosophy my brothers!!

[QUOTE=Wleakr;3175605]I don't know if I would say Parrot is counting coins, so much as speaking truth from his perspective.

We all know there are some that will spend much more than what a service is worth and those who will low ball for good service. My problem would be when someone spends more on a service provider that was ok with accepting a certain amount and after the "high-end" encounter with a patron, she now feels entitled to change her rate, service and attitude. So, it indirectly messes up your situation, as a chick you like now will either cost you more or force you to leave in search of what you had before (service and price point).

I can understand the "stay in your lane" comment. But that's the game for ya.[/QUOTE]Methinks Parrot and Oz tell it like it is from their own perspectives and I have to agree with both on certain points:

1. For budget pussy (BP or CL vice agencies), there's always risk in that it won't pan out. Either the girl will flake, will change rules upon arrival, will reside in a bad part of town, or there will be other mitigating factors. Expensive girls do it as well, albeit not as often.

2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Parrot is OK with big asses, which prevail on BP. Oz prefers spinner white ladies, so the economics / mechanics of both scenarios are quite different and can't be compared on a 1:1 basis. Quality white ladies cost; big-assed BP ladies do not. I like ladies of any color, but they have to be slender, not drugged out, not overly tatted, and not too fuckin' weird.

The common ground here is that both Parrot and Oz look for value in their pussy findings, whether it's $40 or $300. Both vet their prospective sperm receptacles in intelligent ways for their desired needs. Neither is a "simp" as some would suggest. The only deviation from that is what both already agree on, that of paying too much for what they expect.

I play both sides of that coin so I understand where both are coming from and aim for the best bang for the buck.

Moral of the story: Use your common sense and don't pay beyond market value / what you're willing to lose.

Some of you spend way too much time with the small stuff of stripclubs, especially B Money.

I'm not saying that maybe some of what you guys say is true. But I've had plenty of chicks chill with me in my lap. Whether it's technically legal or not, don't know or care. And this is especially true on dayshift, which is typically extra slow, so chicks are more willing to chill to try to make money. However, I'm a dude about getting my dance on, so I'm not just having a chick chill for 15 minutes just for the hell of it, but 5 minutes or so? No problem. Now if you're really looking to chill above and beyond, they probably going to be looking for a drink at least, unless they already know you.

And for B Money, more than once has claimed chicks working clubs that don't like men, getting pimped, etc, etc. My thing is 1) Why do you still go, if it has all these so-called negative points and 2) Who cares? I don't care if a chick doesn't like men, as long she does what I need her to do and I'm enjoying the time. I dang sure ain't watching her til the end of her shift to see if she getting "pimped".

My 2 cents. Carry on!

Well I'm sorry if you found my post offensive sir but I was only answering the man question. If you have a better response to give than mines please by all means post it up. And by the way by no means necessary was I telling him to stir clear of a strip club and I'm just letting him know about the cause and effects of certain problems and what clubs would allow him to seek what he desires.

[QUOTE=Wleakr;3198819]Some of you spend way too much time with the small stuff of stripclubs, especially B Money.

I'm not saying that maybe some of what you guys say is true. But I've had plenty of chicks chill with me in my lap. Whether it's technically legal or not, don't know or care. And this is especially true on dayshift, which is typically extra slow, so chicks are more willing to chill to try to make money. However, I'm a dude about getting my dance on, so I'm not just having a chick chill for 15 minutes just for the hell of it, but 5 minutes or so? No problem. Now if you're really looking to chill above and beyond, they probably going to be looking for a drink at least, unless they already know you.

And for B Money, more than once has claimed chicks working clubs that don't like men, getting pimped, etc, etc. My thing is 1) Why do you still go, if it has all these so-called negative points and 2) Who cares? I don't care if a chick doesn't like men, as long she does what I need her to do and I'm enjoying the time. I dang sure ain't watching her til the end of her shift to see if she getting "pimped".

My 2 cents. Carry on![/QUOTE]

What I want is a regular provider. Over the last 10 years I gone through 8 of them. I don't want to deal with flakes and fakes. Lately I tried out backpage, wow, so many fakes and flakes. I say 50-75% are fake or old pictures. They don't show up on that oThER site. I personally find the providers here in atlanta, way to expensive. It costs about $$. 5 for a hour for a semi decent looking girl. Elsewhere in the world, it costs $30-80, for an extremely hot one. If you haven't been to greece, young college girls are less than $5-$10 US. I am not even joking. Tickets to greece is about $1 k, but all the fun you can have is less than $100 for a full week.

If anyone wants to show mercy on me and point me to a good provider that's dependable in duluth area, let me know. I never had a latino girl so that might be a plus.

[QUOTE=RondaColdSon;3216017]Looking for an AMP that will let me release load inside or at least have the option to pull out. Anywhere but Cartersville, thanks.[/QUOTE]Hey Ronda, back in August you posted asking us why some guys do it bare, ignoring the risks of such activity. Now, may I pose the same question to you since you seem to have had a change of heart about the subject? Just curious. Very curious, in fact.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;3217323]Hey Ronda, back in August you posted asking us why some guys do it bare, ignoring the risks of such activity. Now, may I pose the same question to you since you seem to have had a change of heart about the subject? Just curious. Very curious, in fact.[/QUOTE]Check your PM.

[QUOTE=HobbyMan51;3217323]Hey Ronda, back in August you posted asking us why some guys do it bare, ignoring the risks of such activity. Now, may I pose the same question to you since you seem to have had a change of heart about the subject? Just curious. Very curious, in fact.[/QUOTE]Damn, some of you mongers are sharp. How are you able to recall a monger's post about his personal fucking preference from several months ago? I can't even remember if I had mayo on my sandwich yesterday, but to recall what another monger did back in August? I would need serious software and databases from the Library of Congress. I thought only women could recollect that shit.

Can I borrow your brain for a couple of days? I need to find new ways to piss off my ex-wife.

[blue]That's an easy one Nite. Because they are trolls who relentlessly look for reasons to argue with other members. They don't remember what they posted, they keep spreadsheets of what they post cross referenced and indexed by subject because they aren't really here for the pussy.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;3217461]Damn, some of you mongers are sharp. How are you able to recall a monger's post about his personal fucking preference from several months ago? I can't even remember if I had mayo on my sandwich yesterday, but to recall what another monger did back in August? I would need serious software and databases from the Library of Congress. I thought only women could recollect that shit.

Can I borrow your brain for a couple of days? I need to find new ways to piss off my ex-wife.

[blue]That's an easy one Nite. Because they are trolls who relentlessly look for reasons to argue with other members. They don't remember what they posted, they keep spreadsheets of what they post cross referenced and indexed by subject because they aren't really here for the pussy.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Wrong on that one, A2. I did happen to recall his post however and was just asking a question because I was indeed curious about why he decided to make such a drastic change of mind. I should have pm'd him and that was a mistake on my part. He did return my question with a courteous answer and I in turn replied courteously as well. And Nite, you're way too busy to recall such trivia!

One more thing, Nite. Thinking like a woman is something more of us should do. Self defense and preservation, you know?

And another thing, A2. I get my share of pussy. Quite a lot of it, in fact, fyi.

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3175720]I hear you, but understand that paying more does not equal better service.

Maybe that philosophy can be apllied to fine wines, clothes and vehicles. When it comes to birds on backpage, you get what they give you, not necessarily what you paid for.

Higher rates does not equal better quality service. Or you wouldn't have guys getting scammed out of 250+.

Paying more guarantees nothing, please understand this philosophy my brothers!![/QUOTE]Completely agree! I failed to add that some cheap wines are much better than the very expensive stuff.

[QUOTE=NuGuy36;3218531]Completely agree! I failed to add that some cheap wines are much better than the very expensive stuff.[/QUOTE]I'm glad someone can agree with me, some of the rich older guys treat me like public enemy number one in this forum.

A BP provider can charge whatever they like, they are the ultimate "entrepreneurs. ".

A girl can charge 60 Qv one day and then decide to raise rates to 400 hh the next day.

So because she changed her rates from 60 to 400, does it mean she is now "upscale" and offers better service??

The answer: HELL NO! Though you can't tell these SIMPs anything, they are stuck in their ways.

Plenty of old idiots get robbed, hurt or killed after paying high rates of 200 and up. Sometimes even for 100 (which is still too much for the average BP broad).

Personally, I love it when they are killed. SIMPs never learn, the only way their behavior will change is when they're dead.

Natural selection is beautiful, it brings back sweet memories of the old simp who was exterminated at the affordable notel.

Good riddance to the old fool, along with the other dead S. I. M. P.S.

When enough of the idiots are killed, they may finally wisen up. Though that is wishful thinking, I thought with age came wisdom?

Guess not always?

[QUOTE=TheParrot;3218580]I'm glad someone can agree with me, some of the rich older guys treat me like public enemy number one in this forum.

...

A girl can charge 60 Qv one day and then decide to raise rates to 400 hh the next day.

So because she changed her rates from 60 to 400, does it mean she is now "upscale" and offers better service??

... I thought with age came wisdom?

Guess not always?[/QUOTE]I get a kick out of the BP girls that are trying to charge P411 rates (which are also ridiculous). Someone on here mentioned the girls have GPS, I liked that one so much I have been using it on them every time they try it.

I was young and stupid with more dollars than sense in the not so distant past. I've learned though that like in business, EVERYTHING is negotiable. Even the ones that claim not to and in my experience not a single one has been worth even half the cherries they seem to think they are worth.

When it gets down to the donation for admission, if it's over 4 cherries for a qv or 8 cherries for hh. I reply with "ROFL, you almost made me spit out my coffee, seriously, what is the donation for. (time)" About half the time they will either ask how much do I have the other half get all but hurt at first talking about cheap asses and how you pay for quality blah blah blah.

I always tell them they may have gold sparks coming out of that thing, but I don't know that and I don't donate more than my price for a first visit, if the customer service is up to standards, I'll usually tip, and that's the truth. I'll through a tip after some really good service, but I want it to be *my* choice not theirs.

I'd say its about 30/70 win / lose on the negotiation, when I lose, I move on. After sending one last text about common business sense. I've actually had a few respond back. Usually with a story about how much money their making and to mind my own business, but one or two have considered my advice and offered a special first time rate. I almost always get super service with them. I've even repeated a few times with some.

I have more fun with the negotiation sometimes than the actual meeting! But like, you I really wish these wussies that pay Ruth Chris prices at McDonald's would realize how utterly stupid they are. I'll bet not one of them would pay 20 for a 2 piece of pie and yet. (sigh).

My go to girl, Chyna, has retired and I've been looking for a replacement in my area, Norcross / Duluth. I normally use BP to look for ladies. What really strikes me is how many say "No Cops" or "No Law Enforcement" in their ads. The next best thing is when you call them and that is the first thing they want to know. "Are you a cop or connected to law enforcement"? I have been in the hobby for over 25 years and lived or traveled all over the country. It is my experience that this question is an automatic "Red Flag". It indicates that the provider is almost always a waste of time and money. Only a total dumb ass would think that asking if a guy is a cop is some form of protection from getting busted. Back seventeen years ago I lived in Sacramento and was part of a group from Red Book that was working towards decriminalizing prostitution. Doing so would free up law enforcement / vice to actually pursue real criminals. Our goal was to take a soliciting case to trial and have a jury decide that what happens between two consenting adults in privacy is their own business. For example it is still illegal in many states to commit sodomy. While still illegal the sodomy law is no longer enforced because a jury somewhere ruled it to be no ones business what two adults do behind closed doors. We had several criminal defense lawyers in our group. There were also several active and former law enforcement officers in it. Here is what they had to say.

A cop or nark can say and do just about anything they want to bust a provider for prostitution. The cop can tell the girl he is not a cop. He can have sex with her. THERE IS NO LAW THAT SAYS A COP HAS TO TELL YOU HE IS A COP WHEN ASKED! The judge is going to believe what the cop says not what the provider says. While I was in Sacramento the cops would watch an adult male with local license plates pull out of a motel. They would follow the vehicle for a while and pull over the driver for some bullshit traffic infraction. The main reason was to ask you what was your business at the motel. If you refused to tell them why you were there you were threatened with being taken in for further questioning. The cops were trying to get you to confess to having seen a provider and paying for sex. Then they would in theory bust the girl. I never got pulled over and hassled but I do know that if a cop was parked anywhere around a motel it was the kiss of financial death for any providers working there, LOL.

The one thing the lawyers in our group did say was they didn't know of one single case where the provider asked to see a drivers license and a policeman showed one. They recommended that if the providers wanted to do a LE check ask to see a drivers license. They said that if the client held his thumb over his address that was cool. The act of showing the DL was the test. Whether this was good advise I don't know. The best, and I mean most fun, providers that I have seen never discus money up front. Their ad normally has pricing in it or I have read their reviews and know what the price is. On the phone they may ask if I know what the donation is and I will tell them yes. On some occasions after a brief conversation they tell me how much and details of what they will do and not do. Lately it seems that there are many new ladies that are so paranoid about getting busted that not only are they asking are you a cop on the phone but asking you to send them a picture of your dick, LOL. Where are they getting all this sage advise from?

Well enough ranting. I am going to continue my quest for a new local talent to replace Chyna. Good luck to all and happy hunting.

[QUOTE=Bill0051;3221185]My go to girl, Chyna, has retired and I've been looking for a replacement in my area, Norcross / Duluth. I normally use BP to look for ladies. What really strikes me is how many say "No Cops" or "No Law Enforcement" in their ads. The next best thing is when you call them and that is the first thing they want to know. "Are you a cop or connected to law enforcement"? I have been in the hobby for over 25 years and lived or traveled all over the country. It is my experience that this question is an automatic "Red Flag". It indicates that the provider is almost always a waste of time and money. Only a total dumb ass would think that asking if a guy is a cop is some form of protection from getting busted. Back seventeen years ago I lived in Sacramento and was part of a group from Red Book that was working towards decriminalizing prostitution. Doing so would free up law enforcement / vice to actually pursue real criminals. Our goal was to take a soliciting case to trial and have a jury decide that what happens between two consenting adults in privacy is their own business. For example it is still illegal in many states to commit sodomy. While still illegal the sodomy law is no longer enforced because a jury somewhere ruled it to be no ones business what two adults do behind closed doors. We had several criminal defense lawyers in our group. There were also several active and former law enforcement officers in it. Here is what they had to say.

A cop or nark can say and do just about anything they want to bust a provider for prostitution. The cop can tell the girl he is not a cop. He can have sex with her. THERE IS NO LAW THAT SAYS A COP HAS TO TELL YOU HE IS A COP WHEN ASKED! The judge is going to believe what the cop says not what the provider says. While I was in Sacramento the cops would watch an adult male with local license plates pull out of a motel. They would follow the vehicle for a while and pull over the driver for some bullshit traffic infraction. The main reason was to ask you what was your business at the motel. If you refused to tell them why you were there you were threatened with being taken in for further questioning. The cops were trying to get you to confess to having seen a provider and paying for sex. Then they would in theory bust the girl. I never got pulled over and hassled but I do know that if a cop was parked anywhere around a motel it was the kiss of financial death for any providers working there, LOL.

The one thing the lawyers in our group did say was they didn't know of one single case where the provider asked to see a drivers license and a policeman showed one. They recommended that if the providers wanted to do a LE check ask to see a drivers license. They said that if the client held his thumb over his address that was cool. The act of showing the DL was the test. Whether this was good advise I don't know. The best, and I mean most fun, providers that I have seen never discus money up front. Their ad normally has pricing in it or I have read their reviews and know what the price is. On the phone they may ask if I know what the donation is and I will tell them yes. On some occasions after a brief conversation they tell me how much and details of what they will do and not do. Lately it seems that there are many new ladies that are so paranoid about getting busted that not only are they asking are you a cop on the phone but asking you to send them a picture of your dick, LOL. Where are they getting all this sage advise from?

Well enough ranting. I am going to continue my quest for a new local talent to replace Chyna. Good luck to all and happy hunting.[/QUOTE]I guess all the crime has been solved in Sacramento. Waiting outside hotels? Those cops have nothing better to do? Enjoyed your post, but one thing needs to be cleared up: Refusing to state why you were at a motel is NOT constitutionally sufficient for them to take you in for "further questioning. " That's called an unconstitutional extension of a lawful stop. If you are pulled over for a violation, they must address THAT violation ONLY, and unless you give them a reason to believe ANOTHER, SEPARATE VIOLATION OF THE LAW, (yes, I've been drinking; yes, there are drugs in the car) has occurred, they must write the ticket and allow you to leave. Now, if you're stupid enough to say, yes, I was back there visiting a prostitute, then you've given them reason to extend the time for the stop to investigate another crime. Like the saying goes, "Nobody talks, every body walks. ".