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[QUOTE=Aluver;2812806]Key is to look like you belong there and walk in confidently like you know where you are going even if you don't. Doesn't hurt to see if you can find the hotel's website and see if there are any pictures of the lobby etc so you have a general idea of where you might need to go to find the elevator / stairs. If I can I also like to just take the stairs to the 2nd floor to avoid standing around in the lobby waiting for the elevator.

Another trick I use is pretending to play on my phone like I'm texting and preoccupied so if I do go the wrong way at first I can look up and correct it like I just wasn't paying attention.[/QUOTE]Well that all works well but if you really want to fly under the radar wait for someone or a small group of people to walk in and act like you are one of the group.

Ocassionaly I will laugh as I'm walking in as if someone just said something funny, and if you are really good you can time it just right to say something cleaver to the.

Person as your walking in, this way it looks like you know them and they know you. The trick is to not wait outside the door, wait in your car and watch for people getting out of their cars walking in.

[QUOTE=Aluver;2812806]Key is to look like you belong there and walk in confidently like you know where you are going even if you don't. Doesn't hurt to see if you can find the hotel's website and see if there are any pictures of the lobby etc so you have a general idea of where you might need to go to find the elevator / stairs. If I can I also like to just take the stairs to the 2nd floor to avoid standing around in the lobby waiting for the elevator.

Another trick I use is pretending to play on my phone like I'm texting and preoccupied so if I do go the wrong way at first I can look up and correct it like I just wasn't paying attention.[/QUOTE]Great advice, I always if I am visiting a provider call them and specifically ask exactly where the elevator is and when I walk in head straight to it with my phone as if I am speaking with some one.

Jack.

Went to see a provider today. Just as I turned left to go into the street that leads to the hotel / parking lot I see a car with blue mass plates. 2 guys sitting on the front. Hotel lobby had some traffic going on and saw someone with a crew cut and well built. Could have been LE and he was talking to staff members. After my session, I exit thru the rear door and went around to go to my car, saw 2 cars parked up front with another guy, same type build and another car next to him, fluorescent vest sitting on the passengers seat. Maybe they are working the hotels now hard this time of year. Stay off hotels exit 27 route ninety five.

[QUOTE=TheDuke;2813694]Went to see a provider today. Just as I turned left to go into the street that leads to the hotel / parking lot I see a car with blue mass plates. 2 guys sitting on the front. Hotel lobby had some traffic going on and saw someone with a crew cut and well built. Could have been LE and he was talking to staff members. After my session, I exit thru the rear door and went around to go to my car, saw 2 cars parked up front with another guy, same type build and another car next to him, fluorescent vest sitting on the passengers seat. Maybe they are working the hotels now hard this time of year. Stay off hotels exit 27 route ninety five.[/QUOTE]In case you haven't read past LEO reports or sting information you will find that LEO works certain areas and has management on their team to watch for certain activities. While the vast amount of energy would be directed at illegal drug activity the grabbing of working girls or providers is just icing on their cake.

The stings are usually focused around drugs not just sex for money.

When visiting a hotel or motel always be aware of your surroundings. Act casual when you enter and head to the room. Some carry a newspaper or perhaps a coffee is being brought to your favorite provider. Don't look like "Hey I'm here for sex with someone".

You never know what you might walk into. So always be on guard.

Yes, I have read all this before. In case you missed the point, I was just reporting what I happened to run into.

[QUOTE=ShortStroke;2815244]In case you haven't read past LEO reports or sting information you will find that LEO works certain areas and has management on their team to watch for certain activities. While the vast amount of energy would be directed at illegal drug activity the grabbing of working girls or providers is just icing on their cake.

The stings are usually focused around drugs not just sex for money.

When visiting a hotel or motel always be aware of your surroundings. Act casual when you enter and head to the room. Some carry a newspaper or perhaps a coffee is being brought to your favorite provider. Don't look like "Hey I'm here for sex with someone".

You never know what you might walk into. So always be on guard.[/QUOTE]

Some great tips posted. Not sure if this was mentioned but I never leave thru the Lobby. When I arrive I park near an exterior entry / exit door usually rear if available. While I do not know exactly where the provider is I keep in tune with my spot location as I enter the lobby. After appointment I get my bearings and find the stairwell that serves my exit door. Down the stairs, out the door and away I go.

The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. Your visit is a matter of permanent record. Your DNA via pubes and semen are left in the room, as are your fingerprints. If that hotel room becomes the scene of a violent crime at some point after you leave, and even though you may be innocent of said violent crime, you will be a person of interest and your reputation, family life, career prospects, etc. Are destroyed beyond repair. Or perhaps you even become a defendant in a criminal proceeding that could put you away for years. Does it happen? You bet your ass it happens.

[QUOTE=Jeishein14;2815732]The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. [/QUOTE]Yup, and I'd bet every doorway to every room has a camera on it. I got a room at a hotel and had a stripper meet me there. When we were done I gave her the money in an envelope. I thought she'd count it right there but she didn't. As she left and I shut the door behind her I looked through the peephole and she was standing right outside my door in the hallway counting the money. What a bonehead. All on camera too I'm sure.

Now granted, they have no proof. I could have been getting tango lessons. Still, it would be a hassle. Remember guys, you can take the 5th and not talk to the police and take the 4th and not have them search you.

[QUOTE=LatinHunt;2815890]Remember guys, you can take the 5th and not talk to the police and take the 4th and not have them search you.[/QUOTE]You can remain silent. You can beat the case. HOWEVER, your name, address and mugshot, along with the charges, will still be published for perpetuity on the internet. Kiss family, career, friends goodbye. Simply staying home seems the more sensible option.

[QUOTE=Jeishein14;2815732]The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. Your visit is a matter of permanent record. Your DNA via pubes and semen are left in the room, as are your fingerprints. If that hotel room becomes the scene of a violent crime at some point after you leave, and even though you may be innocent of said violent crime, you will be a person of interest and your reputation, family life, career prospects, etc. Are destroyed beyond repair. Or perhaps you even become a defendant in a criminal proceeding that could put you away for years. Does it happen? You bet your ass it happens.[/QUOTE]Dude, you really don't belong in this hobby. Yes there are cameras everywhere but if you think the local Marriott has a crack security staff of 50 watching every fucking door at all times then it is evident that you watch way too much TV. Can something bad happen? Yes. Odds of it happening? Slim. Now go to the post office tomorrow and get a stamp collecting kit. You're welcome.

BTG.

What about all the mugshots that are published on the Internet? Should those dudes be collecting stamps too?

[QUOTE=Jeishein14;2815732]The reality of all this is that there are cameras everywhere. Your visit is a matter of permanent record. Your DNA via pubes and semen are left in the room, as are your fingerprints. If that hotel room becomes the scene of a violent crime at some point after you leave, and even though you may be innocent of said violent crime, you will be a person of interest and your reputation, family life, career prospects, etc. Are destroyed beyond repair. Or perhaps you even become a defendant in a criminal proceeding that could put you away for years. Does it happen? You bet your ass it happens.[/QUOTE]Your argument for DNA evidence is completely backwards. Simply put, DNA can be used to (arguably) tie existing suspects to a scene, but it isn't used to find new suspects. Just not even remotely practical at this time, especially in a hotel room.

[QUOTE=HowardSprague;2817051]You're adding facts to your factpattern. You never mentioned either party being a convicted felon. Barring a felony conviction since the DNA sampling legislation went into effect, there would be almost no way to identify the person from DNA alone. There is no comprehensive database of the population. There's also the volume of different DNA in a hotel room and the likely contamination of any sample by the DNA of possibly hundreds of other people. Hotels don't wash bedding as often as you'd like to think.

You're not getting arrested by merely showing up at a sting. Unless and until there is an agreement (and what constitutes an agreement can be very loosely defined) for sexual activity in exchange for a fee there is no crime. It's not an inchoate crime.

I think BillyBaloney called this one.[/QUOTE]If you are suggesting that you can't or won't get arrested for walking into a sting operation, you are doing the men on this forum a serious injustice. Do your homework.

[QUOTE=HowardSprague;2817051]You're adding facts to your factpattern. You never mentioned either party being a convicted felon. Barring a felony conviction since the DNA sampling legislation went into effect, there would be almost no way to identify the person from DNA alone. There is no comprehensive database of the population. There's also the volume of different DNA in a hotel room and the likely contamination of any sample by the DNA of possibly hundreds of other people. Hotels don't wash bedding as often as you'd like to think.

You're not getting arrested by merely showing up at a sting. Unless and until there is an agreement (and what constitutes an agreement can be very loosely defined) for sexual activity in exchange for a fee there is no crime. It's not an inchoate crime.

I think BillyBaloney called this one.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Jeishein14;2817431]If you are suggesting that you can't or won't get arrested for walking into a sting operation, you are doing the men on this forum a serious injustice. Do your homework.[/QUOTE]I recall Howard once mentioning that he is an attorney so I believe he has done his homework.

[QUOTE=JackADogov;2817987]I recall Howard once mentioning that he is an attorney so I believe he has done his homework.[/QUOTE]Yup. (insert smiley face emoticon).

I will offer one caveat. Cops can arrest you for anything. They'll often rely on "disorderly conduct. " That's why I advise ALWAYS being polite when dealing with them. A little common courtesy goes a long way. Don't be an ass and you'll probably be fine. Don't agree to sexual conduct in exchange for a fee. If a provider starts mentioning prices for acts, or even hinting. Decline. State there must be some misunderstanding. State you're not interested in breaking any laws. Exit. You've got more plausible deniability if the ad talks about massage.