Delaware Douchebaggery!

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5560147]So I get a DM from a dude. Go to open it up and it has a "Read Receipt" attached to it! WTF! Then it is some dude with a VERY low post count (2) that has his hand out wanting info on a girl I posted about. He is apparently "entitled" as he doesn't offer anything in return for the gem I developed. Oh and he challenges my veracity, I guess, in a feeble attempt to make me feel "challenged" and want to spill the beans to "prove" my report! Sigh. Must have flunked the "Dale Carnegie" course?

So kind Sir, YOU are the reason for this RANT!

[/QUOTE]So I got a reply from this "dude". Instead of being contrite, he was accusatory and snotty. I guess I called it right. ENTITLED!

Got offended that I suggested he participate in the threads and build some cred in order to get info? LOL.

Look dude! You were wrong.

Why don't you earn some cred on the boards, by posting some reviews? Yes! A lot of guys here think sharing info on UTR girls IS "sacrosanct!" Why should anyone GIVE you info for free that cost us time, energy, risk and experience? Why just because you ASKED and are entitled?

Some of the point is that there are a lot of numbnuts that treat girls badly and IF one sends a dude (douche) to a girl and the douche is a bad date for the girl, then the guy who sent the douche to the girl could lose the girl and lose a regular.

So you proved my point of not sharing, you come off like a douchebag, assh*le, jerk and then got angry! So no doubt would be one that fucks up my relationship with a gem. But NO! My bad, you asked and are 'entitled"! LOL!

You want something from someone and this is your approach? Me thinks you should ask for your money back from the Dale Carnegie Course!

So don't waste your time asking, spend it on learning, getting an education and posting experiences here. That's how simple it works!

So stop being a douchebag with you hand out, contribute something, join the community be part of the solution, not the ugly side of the hobby.

Has anyone guessed yet who this dude is?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5564553]So I got a reply from this "dude". Instead of being contrite, he was accusatory and snotty. I guess I called it right. ENTITLED!

Got offended that I suggested he participate in the threads and build some cred in order to get info? LOL.

Look dude! You were wrong.

Why don't you earn some cred on the boards, by posting some reviews? Yes! A lot of guys here think sharing info on UTR girls IS "sacrosanct!" Why should anyone GIVE you info for free that cost us time, energy, risk and experience? Why just because you ASKED and are entitled?

Some of the point is that there are a lot of numbnuts that treat girls badly and IF one sends a dude (douche) to a girl and the douche is a bad date for the girl, then the guy who sent the douche to the girl could lose the girl and lose a regular.

So you proved my point of not sharing, you come off like a douchebag, assh*le, jerk and then got angry! So no doubt would be one that fucks up my relationship with a gem. But NO! My bad, you asked and are 'entitled"! LOL!

You want something from someone and this is your approach? Me thinks you should ask for your money back from the Dale Carnegie Course!

So don't waste your time asking, spend it on learning, getting an education and posting experiences here. That's how simple it works!

So stop being a douchebag with you hand out, contribute something, join the community be part of the solution, not the ugly side of the hobby.

Has anyone guessed yet who this dude is?[/QUOTE]No guesses, and who cares? Based off proir experiences I'm going to assume everything your ranting about what this guy said or did is exaggerated by you.

[QUOTE=WeatherMan2;5564950]No guesses, and who cares? Based off proir experiences I'm going to assume everything your ranting about what this guy said or did is exaggerated by you.[/QUOTE]Weatherman. Its always tempting to jump in. But it just doesn't pay off in the end. Like water on the Gremlins. And feeding trolls. Just say no. Stay out of this thread. I got caught up in it too at one time.

I'm sure that he is an Olympic gold medalist in the purchase of pussy. Some advice is valid. But its like drinking an ocean in hopes of getting a cup of tap water.

Good luck.

So I note that just about EVERY website that allows girls to advertise, everyone now has ADDED warnings about scams.

[b]Paying money upfront[/b]

- Sending money via some electronic method.

- buying a gift card and sending the number.

- Paying the girl before your meal is served.

Getting scammed is easy to avoid if one follows the rules! So am amazed that so many get caught up in this.

Is this because there is a new crop of mongers that are short on experience or knowledge? Too afraid to ask "how to" questions?

The point of these threads is to help guys find girls and part of that is learning how to hobby safely. So asking questions is a good way to avoid the scams.

So the Douche of the week goes to the dude in a white Audi sedan with PA tags. This dude pulled up to blonde haired Nancy, rolled down the passenger window, leaned over and was negotiating a date through the car window! This while traffic was backing up behind him. No subtlety about what he was doing.

I mean do these dudes even think? Or the have no clue about "the rules?

[B]22 Rules for Street Mongering | 19 Rules for Street Walkers | Streetwalker Rules by Piker
[/B]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules[/URL]

While ignorance may be bliss, in this hobby ignorance like that will get you a record.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5600298]So the Douche of the week goes to the dude in a white Audi sedan with PA tags. This dude pulled up to blonde haired Nancy, rolled down the passenger window, leaned over and was negotiating a date through the car window! This while traffic was backing up behind him. No subtlety about what he was doing.

I mean do these dudes even think? Or the have no clue about "the rules?

[B]22 Rules for Street Mongering | 19 Rules for Street Walkers | Streetwalker Rules by Piker
[/B]

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/custompages.php?pageid=MongeringRules[/URL]

While ignorance may be bliss, in this hobby ignorance like that will get you a record.[/QUOTE]Lmao, come on man. Where was you in this line? Close enough to see plates so just sounds like sour grapes he got there first. But your right when stuff like this will get a lot of 911 calls.

[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;5600582]Lmao, come on man. Where was you in this line? Close enough to see plates so just sounds like sour grapes he got there first. But your right when stuff like this will get a lot of 911 calls.[/QUOTE]LOL! Seriously? You thought it was useful for you to create your first post into DE this year (maybe ever?) and spout off with some douchey comment? Not enough action in the Carolinas that you feel the need to stir the pot in DE? Or was that you I seen and yer pissed about that?

No sour grapes here whatsoever, I have dated Nancy in the past and she is on my 'no fly list. ' Even IF I had been in position #1 I would [U]not[/U] have stopped for Nancy. Do you even know anything about the Wilm SW scene?

I hope the disparaging comment is not discounting the technique used and saying it was wise to negotiate a date through the car window? Where this occurred is where I have seen unmarked LE sitting watching the stroll. PLUS this is the area where neighborhood watches have rallied LE action.

The dude who had the conversation with a SW through the car window was an idiot, plain and simple. But hey, if anyone wants to do business like that, be my guest. Hope their job and family situation can withstand the consequences!

I get it, most dudes here are just out for them self and think FU to the other guy! I guess those types will never understand nor appreciate the altruistic nature of this chair. When I started, guys here taught me so much. I'm trying to pay that forward. Sigh.

Pic is Nancy, but she has dyed blonde hair now.

Eh, a couple of recent incidences have reminded me about the need for patience when mongering. I guess, personally it highlights some progress too.

You see years ago I use to get pretty worked up while mongering: girls never on time, ghosting girls, mo response to texts, callls or emails, hitting the streets when really worked up and using 3/4 of a tank of gas and not seeing anything at all, GPS girls, fakes, flakes and many other "stuff" that happens in the hobby. But I guess someone must have snuck a can of patience into my chow as this "stuff" still happens, I just don't get too excited by it anymore.

I mean if you are fishing the streets or dealing with drug users online, I had to learn what "hooker time" is / was. Because of the drugs these girls can't keep time. "I'll be right there," really means, I'll get around to it in an hour of so.

Then of course there are the girls who post and advert, but NEVER respond to a text or call or respond to a few and then go ghost. Shoot even the ones who date you, but can't be found again.

On days off I frequently spend a fair amount of time looking through adverts on various posting sites. I never go for just one as that is guaranteed failure or frustration. So I might do DD on a dozen or two posts: GI pic searches, number searches, looking through previous contacts, searching these threads. It takes A LOT of time and energy.

Then of course there are the contacts, perhaps getting a reply. Then the process of discovering the girl doesn't "do" BB BJ. Yeah, FRUSTRATING! Why can't they just put that in their advert? Finding the rate, menu and then hosting situation or openness to car date or quick trip to The Crown. All takes time and has many places for pitfalls. I mean I use to think, his would be easy as the girls were in business and would treat it as such. Took a while for me to realize unless it was the top end girls, not so much.

So yeah, many places and situations for things to not work out and for frustration. I learned to just keep stepping up to the plate and swinging. It isn't always going to work, but with time and patience it works out.

I'm sure others have similar experiences.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5622497]Eh, a couple of recent incidences have reminded me about the need for patience when mongering. I guess, personally it highlights some progress too.

You see years ago I use to get pretty worked up while mongering: girls never on time, ghosting girls, mo response to texts, callls or emails, hitting the streets when really worked up and using 3/4 of a tank of gas and not seeing anything at all, GPS girls, fakes, flakes and many other "stuff" that happens in the hobby. But I guess someone must have snuck a can of patience into my chow as this "stuff" still happens, I just don't get too excited by it anymore.

I mean if you are fishing the streets or dealing with drug users online, I had to learn what "hooker time" is / was. Because of the drugs these girls can't keep time. "I'll be right there," really means, I'll get around to it in an hour of so.

Then of course there are the girls who post and advert, but NEVER respond to a text or call or respond to a few and then go ghost. Shoot even the ones who date you, but can't be found again.

On days off I frequently spend a fair amount of time looking through adverts on various posting sites. I never go for just one as that is guaranteed failure or frustration. So I might do DD on a dozen or two posts: GI pic searches, number searches, looking through previous contacts, searching these threads. It takes A LOT of time and energy.

Then of course there are the contacts, perhaps getting a reply. Then the process of discovering the girl doesn't "do" BB BJ. Yeah, FRUSTRATING! Why can't they just put that in their advert? Finding the rate, menu and then hosting situation or openness to car date or quick trip to The Crown. All takes time and has many places for pitfalls. I mean I use to think, his would be easy as the girls were in business and would treat it as such. Took a while for me to realize unless it was the top end girls, not so much.

So yeah, many places and situations for things to not work out and for frustration. I learned to just keep stepping up to the plate and swinging. It isn't always going to work, but with time and patience it works out.

I'm sure others have similar experiences.[/QUOTE]I, as I'm sure many "good" mongers" do, spend wow a bit of time doing "research" even when not hunting, still always hunting 🙄. We are addicts as well.

I think one thing to remember is, if these girls were great in the business world, they probably wouldn't be walking or advertising in the sites they do, unfortunately.

Like everyone "should" know, if you're paying upwards of 3-400 for a date, there shouldn't be any worry of levels of discretion being met, safety concerns, ghosting, and other issues. Things "should" and more than likely WILL, go smooth.

As for the lower end sites, that make up the majority of the ads most of us see, these girls are not very "business like", and the ones that are, generally get knocked for it, to a certain extent.

As has been proven decade upon decade, this is a very lucrative business to be in. However, if you are not "business oriented", ie, responding in a timely manner, ghosting potential clients, or poor customer service skills at any time or level, more than likely, you will experience a difficult time, as with any other business.

Looks like, if guys get some balls on them prices should be coming down soon. In fact, I have been able to negotiate lower prices much more easily.

Shoot mid week my phone was pinging regularly from girls who wanted to hang out. Sure during the weekend after guys get paid on Thursday or Friday the prices are a bit "firm. " Girls know when dudes a flush with cash and will try to take as much as they can.

But the fact that so many have been reaching out of late suggests that they are not finding other dates and thus need cash. Just probe around a bit. When a girl hits me up, she's apparently 'in need. ' So if she asks for 120, I'll counter with 80. Might hold steady there or settle at 100, but either way I didn't pay "list price. ".

Guide (escorts):

SS - 60-80.

HHR- 100-120.

HR - 160-200.

Why pay $160? At 160 you can hit an AMP, get some kind of rub, perhaps a table shower, spend the full 60-minutes with a lady and walk out with a bottle of water. You get all of that from some hood rat on Listcrawler who is asking for 120 SS, tries to get you off ASAP and will have you walking out the door in 15-20 minutes or complains bitterly that you are taking too long (You cum yet?

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4.[b] I was told Hailey has passed. Has anyone actually laid eyes on her in the past few weeks? ? ?[/b][/QUOTE]In true Monty Python fashion, I'd say Hailey is "not dead yet!" Or reports of her demise have been greatly exaggerated! Er, that is IF this is the Hailey of who you speak?

[U]12 Nov posts[/U]

[URL]https://www.kittyads.com/ad-2124899-[/URL]+Hey+guys+its+hailey+back+and+waiting.

[URL]https://www.kittyads.com/Amanda1213[/URL]

BUT WAIT! Looks like she uses the name Amanda too!

Could this be the one and same girl that was part of the elkten service? As shown here?

[URL]https://escortindex.com/large/delaware/443-466-6826/1/16935?img=0[/URL]

Wonder if she ever walked the streets using the name Amanda. In the Lanc area that sure would cause confusion with another girl of the same name!

Go get her boys! Suspect street rates don't apply now that she has an advert?

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5632904]In true Monty Python fashion, I'd say Hailey is "not dead yet!" Or reports of her demise have been greatly exaggerated! Er, that is IF this is the Hailey of who you speak?

[U]12 Nov posts[/U]

[URL]https://www.kittyads.com/ad-2124899-[/URL]+Hey+guys+its+hailey+back+and+waiting.

[URL]https://www.kittyads.com/Amanda1213[/URL]

BUT WAIT! Looks like she uses the name Amanda too!

Could this be the one and same girl that was part of the elkten service? As shown here?

[URL]https://escortindex.com/large/delaware/443-466-6826/1/16935?img=0[/URL]

Wonder if she ever walked the streets using the name Amanda. In the Lanc area that sure would cause confusion with another girl of the same name!

Go get her boys! Suspect street rates don't apply now that she has an advert?[/QUOTE]Yes she has been for awhile and she is doing car dates fo 60. She doesn't look as good as she use to. She weighs about 90 pounds soaked and wet.

[QUOTE=BigGrip;5632942]Yes she has been for awhile and she is doing car dates fo 60. She doesn't look as good as she use to. She weighs about 90 pounds soaked and wet.[/QUOTE]Is the best way to describe her appearance and hygiene now.

So after the original post, I did make contact with her.

In addition, the company she was keeping for me places her in a High Risk Catergory.

Now if I our paths cross, I will certainly talk to her and keep my head on a pivot, but that is about it.

[QUOTE=JRichard;5633061]Is the best way to describe her appearance and hygiene now.

So after the original post, I did make contact with her.

In addition, the company she was keeping for me places her in a High Risk Catergory.

Now if I our paths cross, I will certainly talk to her and keep my head on a pivot, but that is about it.[/QUOTE]Could you elaborate on this? "In addition, the company she was keeping for me places her in a High Risk Catergory. " I'm sure we'd all like to know so we can make informed decisions.

[QUOTE=Rayo9;5633728]Could you elaborate on this? "In addition, the company she was keeping for me places her in a High Risk Catergory. " I'm sure we'd all like to know so we can make informed decisions.[/QUOTE]There are several issues and some I have written about before on two sites, one being here.

I was helping her out or was previously, and have known her for sometime. I know there is at least one other from here that had done the same.

There is enough information already for someone to make an informed decision. Now conditions certainly change, improving or not for the better.

You can TOFTT and report back. But each of us finds characteristics that are appealing or not so appealing, as well as different levels of risks that are acceptable. Risks encompasses many areas.

I truly wish her the best and hope she receives the help she needs.