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[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1723270]Mr. Revvo,

I've looked at your posts. There is a common theme running through them. Every POT you describe you start with "the connection". Excuse me? I thought you became a Sugar Daddy because you wanted to fuck.

Drop the E involvement panty boy attitude! And start looking at it from a straight market perspective. Focus on the deal. Forget about "the connection". As Hollywood Guy likes to say, do lots of interviews. Most will be 1 to 3 visits. But on occasion you will find the one that rolls for the long term.

If you want E involvement. Reconnect with your SO or have a real relationship outside of your primary one. This Sugar stuff starts out fake to the core. And I have Sugar Baby friends that roll in the limo and private jet crowd. And they work their Daddies hard. This is a lifestyle. E involvement comes later with time. For us it is about pussy. For them it about money. ANY other thoughts than that in the beginning is wishful thinking and deceptions. The worst kind of deception: self.

That being said: roll how you like. Because it is your dick, your pussy, your emotions, your $ and your time. Just MHO!

Attention! Commander on deck![/QUOTE]OK. Point taken. I am a slow learner. I need a few 2x4's to the head to learn. But I do learn.

Some one once said "the root of all suffering is attachment". I think I may be a little attached to the women as opposed to the deal.

Old habits die hard,

Revvo

[QUOTE=Revvo; 1722705]I know I am not in your area. I work the Florida area. But there does not seem to be any girls in the $100 range. Not even $200 range.

Is there something unique about LA? I would think LA would be more expensive. I don't know.

I talked to one today who we really hit it off and the she tells me her last SD gave her $6000 per month allowance or 2k per visit. How can this be?

Revvo[/QUOTE]Depends if you want quality over quanity. If you want a hot white girl or even a black or latin girl in the 7. 5-10 range.

Category (who are normal, not drug addicted and emotionally adjusted) you are going to shell out 1200-2500 per month.

Or about 300-500 per meet. The 100-200 dollar girls are usually below average chicks or girls with issues, though there are some affordable barely average to below average black girls (but they don't look like beyonce or the girls in the rap videos or even the hottest chicks in he local hip hop clubs. I prefer quality which is why I just save my money and 300-500 per meet girls who are hotter. Its less risky, because I'm hooking up with less girls so less potential for something bad to happen wouuld wrather bone 1 7-10 then three 4-6's.

As Far as Florida vs California, what part of Florida are you in Demographics say there should be cheaper girls in florida.

Than California. There are more white girls from working class background, both native and transplants which should.

Put pressure on prices. Florida has a cheaper cost of living plus working class latin girls. The difference might be the economy.

Is a better in Florida and thus less supply of girls driving up prices its all economics Either way I'm stuck in the crappy Chicago market. Keep trying and I would focus on quality over price.

[QUOTE=Rob Taylor; 1723450]Depends if you want quality over quanity. If you want a hot white girl or even a black or latin girl in the 7. 5-10 range.

Category (who are normal, not drug addicted and emotionally adjusted) you are going to shell out 1200-2500 per month.

Or about 300-500 per meet. The 100-200 dollar girls are usually below average chicks or girls with issues, though there are some affordable barely average to below average black girls (but they don't look like beyonce or the girls in the rap videos or even the hottest chicks in he local hip hop clubs. I prefer quality which is why I just save my money and 300-500 per meet girls who are hotter. Its less risky, because I'm hooking up with less girls so less potential for something bad to happen wouuld wrather bone 1 7-10 then three 4-6's.

As Far as Florida vs California, what part of Florida are you in Demographics say there should be cheaper girls in florida.

Than California. There are more white girls from working class background, both native and transplants which should.

Put pressure on prices. Florida has a cheaper cost of living plus working class latin girls. The difference might be the economy.

Is a better in Florida and thus less supply of girls driving up prices its all economics Either way I'm stuck in the crappy Chicago market. Keep trying and I would focus on quality over price.[/QUOTE]You must be married, rich or have a gf. LOL.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1723846]You must be married, rich or have a gf. LOL.[/QUOTE]Nope middle income single as a door knob, with a decent civilian dating life.

But not adequate to meet my needs.

Ya I sure hope those quoted figures are wrong.

HollywoodGuy, is there a major price difference when it comes to race? If so what prices are we looking at in the LA area (non-Westside) for:

Black 7. 5/10 girl in looks.

White 7. 5.

Asian 7. 5.

Hispanic 7. 5

[QUOTE=Rob Taylor;1723450]Depends if you want quality over quanity. If you want a hot white girl or even a black or latin girl in the 7. 5-10 range. Category (who are normal, not drug addicted and emotionally adjusted) you are going to shell out 1200-2500 per month. Or about 300-500 per meet. The 100-200 dollar girls are usually below average chicks or girls with issues, though there are some affordable barely average to below average black girls (but they don't look like beyonce or the girls in the rap videos or even the hottest chicks in he local hip hop[/QUOTE]Mr. Rob,

Am I to understand that you are busting a 1. 2K nut every month for one woman in addition to your civi dating life? Wow! You roll larger than me. What the fuck is your CPO? You just gave me another excellent reason other than the weather not to live in the CHI.

I just could not enjoy pussy at a consistent 300 to 500 / per meet even if they were all 7. 5 to 10 range.

And if a woman is making 1200 to 2500 a month on the side to fuck that is a serious part time job. I find that to be amazing.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1724184]Mr. Rob,

Am I to understand that you are busting a 1. 2K nut every month for one woman in addition to your civi dating life? Wow! You roll larger than me. What the fuck is your CPO? You just gave me another excellent reason other than the weather not to live in the CHI.

I just could not enjoy pussy at a consistent 300 to 500 / per meet even if they were all 7. 5 to 10 range.

And if a woman is making 1200 to 2500 a month on the side to fuck that is a serious part time job. I find that to be amazing.

Attention! Commander on Deck![/QUOTE]I'm not that rich 60k in salary maybe 5k in comission. I'm pretty sure a lot of you guys are more wealthier.

I have no children, and I make some decent extra cash day trading, which supports a great deal of this activity.

Plus I don't do the SD thing year around more seasonal (winter and beginning of spring) take a break if my civilian dating life heats up. The Chicago market does suck but as far as quality I would say the rates I quoted are the same across region.

I don't see any value in the 100 dollar range, one I want a normal girl, average to hot in looks, who will satisfy my kinky fetish's. You may be able to find a decent or average looking girl in the 100-200 range, but she could be a UTR, pro or heavy non-pro which means she is a security risk (black mail, robbing your place, exposing you to your friends in public if you see her out in the real world.) Security is my main concerns so I pay a premium for girls who are verifiably normal, who have interest in avoiding drama and keeping a low profile to avoid exposure to their friends and family. I pay extra to avoid nando head aches.

My CPO is still very good, look at it like this a high end escort is 300-500 dollar a hour (eros guide rates). If I can get a normal.

College chick to come over for 300 dollars and she hangs out for three hours thats 100 per hour which is lower than a lot of low ed backpage girls (plus add in multiple pops and no headaches drug addicts and pimps). Now lets calculate 1200 monthly allowance for four to six times a month meeting with an average of four hours per meet that comes out to like 50 to 75 bucks and hour, that approaching street walker territory for a normal well adjusted college chick can't beat that.

Also I don't heavily see AA girls in the sugar bowl, because there are so many single black woman in the real world because of economics its hard to justify spending money in the sugar, o an below to average looking black girl, when there are so many single blackwoman running around. I will pay a premium in sugar bowl for AA chicks that look like rap video girls or fit suburban black girls (a really good untapped market fellas) but not the average chick from the inner city. So since my dating heavily skew latina and white, that drives up prices. I feel sorry for the dudes that want a normal suburban Asian girl, now that market is too rich for my blood. Just had This Asian girl who's accountant father cut her off, ask for 6, 000 a month dinner twice a week downtown and a shopping spree twice a month. She heard about this from Dr Phil (damn media driving up prices).

[QUOTE=Wnde8; 1724075]Ya I sure hope those quoted figures are wrong.

HollywoodGuy, is there a major price difference when it comes to race? If so what prices are we looking at in the LA area (non-Westside) for:

Black 7. 5/10 girl in looks.

White 7. 5.

Asian 7. 5.

Hispanic 7. 5[/QUOTE]

These prices are for SB's. So these are not clock watching BP, HX, and RB girls (except on their slow days). An average date should be about 3 to 5 hours but can be up to 24 hours. Ages 18 to 25 or so and exclude all GPS girls.***

Black 7. 5/10 girl in looks. (from $100 to $200)

White 7. 5. ($100 to $250)

Asian 7. 5. ($200 to $300)

Hispanic 7. 5 ($100 to $200)

I only date in the 18 to 25 range. For white and asian girls ages 26 to even 40 they seem to want more as they have experienced more and are used to better. For black and hispanic girls the rates may actually go down as the realities of life have set in. For all women over 40 it goes back down as they get more concerned with being with the right guy. Me personally I have to keep it at about $ a date. So at 20 dates a month = 2k. Currently every regular I have is employed or gets parental support or both. Except for my live in "the playa".

***These estimates are provided to help you with general information regarding rates to date SB girls only. The results returned by this estimate should only be used as one of many factors in evaluating your options. Rates are for socal only and may vary from state to state. The menu should include all normal activities in and out of the bedroom.

Actual costs to rent or finance a Sugar Baby may vary for many reasons. Other Mongers may use different information to determine eligibility and your individual results may vary from the results shown by this estimate.

Hahaha! Love the disclaimer!

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1724329]These prices are for SB's. So these are not clock watching BP, HX, and RB girls (except on their slow days). An average date should be about 3 to 5 hours but can be up to 24 hours. Ages 18 to 25 or so and exclude all GPS girls*

Black 7. 5/10 girl in looks. (from $100 to $200)

White 7. 5. ($100 to $250)

Asian 7. 5. ($200 to $300)

Hispanic 7. 5 ($100 to $200)

I only date in the 18 to 25 range. For white and asian girls ages 26 to even 40 they seem to want more as they have experienced more and are used to better. For black and hispanic girls the rates may actually go down as the realities of life have set in. For all women over 40 it goes back down as they get more concerned with being with the right guy. Me personally I have to keep it at about $ a date. So at 20 dates a month = 2k. Currently every regular I have is employed or gets parental support or both. Except for my live in "the playa".

*These estimates are provided to help you with general information regarding rates to date SB girls only. The results returned by this estimate should only be used as one of many factors in evaluating your options. Rates are for socal only and may vary from state to state. The menu should include all normal activities in and out of the bedroom.

Actual costs to rent or finance a Sugar Baby may vary for many reasons. Other Mongers may use different information to determine eligibility and your individual results may vary from the results shown by this estimate.[/QUOTE]

I suppose that per hour rates matter if you don't value your time. I pay a girl to fuck. You can get any civi to hang out with you. And I get no pleasure from strict eye candy. So, my preference is to stick with Cost Per Orgasm (CPO) to measure the value of my girls.

$300 to $500 a meeting means that you would need to bust 3. 5 times a session in order to maintain a $100 / CPO. Now you have to have a pretty good recycle rate or doing a overnight in order to be busting that many times a session.

So, I can't really justify amounts at that level. And I have paid $500 for a overnight. And I have paid $100 for a overnight. And I have not found a qualitative difference in the quality of the pussy received.

Now, I would rather fuck a 6 three times than a 10 once. Because when she spreads her legs qualitatively the pussy is no different. Besides head is my desire. And that is the only place I've ever been able to differentiate a difference in skills levels between women.

I have found HollywoodGuy's numbers to be dead on. Although I tend to move up the age range because that is my personal preference. Just have not been able to relate to the 18 to 24 set.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1724939]I suppose that per hour rates matter if you don't value your time. I pay a garden tool to fuck. You can get any civi to hang out with you. And I get no pleasure from strict eye candy. So, my preference is to stick with Cost Per Orgasm (CPO) to measure the value of my garden tools.

$300 to $500 a meeting means that you would need to bust 3. 5 times a session in order to maintain a $100 / CPO. Now you have to have a pretty good recycle rate or doing a overnight in order to be busting that many times a session.

So, I can't really justify amounts at that level. And I have paid $500 for a overnight. And I have paid $100 for a overnight. And I have not found a qualitative difference in the quality of the pussy received.

Now, I would rather fuck a 6 three times than a 10 once. Because when she spreads her legs qualitatively the pussy is no different. Besides head is my desire. And that is the only place I've ever been able to differentiate a difference in skills levels between women.

I have found HollywoodGuy's numbers to be dead on. Although I tend to move up the age range because that is my personal preference. Just have not been able to relate to the 18 to 24 set.

Attention! Commander on deck![/QUOTE]

For some of us older fellas that CPO just isn't going to work. 1 pop and I am pooped till the next session. Actually once a day (and definitely twice a day) is plenty although the biorythmic nature of things can vary that. Also being the emotionally needy creature that I am, I crave hours of verbal and physical adulation, so that is an important part of the deal for me. And a few others I"m sure. My girls need to have stamina as I may take a while to get mine. Usually I wait till they say uncle. Then it's my turn.

But back to the original thread. I have to stand on the $ per day or less pay scale to balance my budget.

The psychological component to sex is 10 X greater than the physical component. As guys we naturally assume that we're all about physical stimulation, but if that were actually the case then a fleshlight and a porno movie would be much better than banging a 6/10 girl.

Don't make the mistake of undervaluing the intangibles that make sex so much better: the pursuit, the build up, the feelings of dominating, the experience of total, unrestricted immersion in the act, etc. All that stuff counts and makes for a much better experience.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1724963]For some of us older fellas that CPO just isn't going to work. 1 pop and I am pooped till the next session. Actually once a day (and definitely twice a day) is plenty although the biorythmic nature of things can vary that. Also being the emotionally needy creature that I am, I crave hours of verbal and physical adulation, so that is an important part of the deal for me. And a few others I"m sure. My girls need to have stamina as I may take a while to get mine. Usually I wait till they say uncle. Then it's my turn.

But back to the original thread. I have to stand on the $ per day or less pay scale to balance my budget.[/QUOTE]HG,

$100 a day or session is a perfectly reasonable amount. My point is simply this, just because a particular Sugar Daddy is willing to pay a certain amount does not make it a good value. This is a pussy market. And just because someone is willing to pay $500 for pussy does not make it intrinsically worth more. No one would go into a store and pay $200 for a item that is priced at $100. My thoughts are that even if I was a 1%er. Pussy would still only be worth $100 a session to me. The absolute value of $1 does not change because you have a million of them. $1 buys us all the same amount of goods in the market place.

What I take from the discussion is that one does themselves a disservice by not paying attention to the value portion of these transactions. Mr. Rob provides a very reasoned explanation of his particular market and the reasons why he pays $300 to $500 for pussy. The Southern California market is different. And I am soon going to explore the Las Vegas market.

One also has to factor in the motivation of the girl. I have three expense only girls. They require no sugar. I just have to pay for everything and get them gifts. I have three booty call girls. They are $100 a session. They don't watch the clock. I bust twice and they are off. We both prefer it that way.

And then you have the GPS girls. Last night I met with a smoking hot 23 year old AA spinner. Stone cold 9. Well put together. Well spoken. But I could tell from the initial greeting we were not going to hit it off. She is a cold fish. Claimed she was shy. Would not talk sugar or arrangement at the meeting. Afterwards she texts me saying she wants $3000 a month. I ask her how many meeting a month. She asks me what is fair. I counter with 1K 6 to 8 meetings a month. She says no way. I make 1K a week in my regular job.

30 minutes round trip travel time. 50 minute date. $20 drinks and appetizers. Complete waste of time. But the food and drinks were good (Happy Hour at P. F. Changs).

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1725174]HG,

$100 a day or session is a perfectly reasonable amount. My point is simply this, just because a particular Sugar Daddy is willing to pay a certain amount does not make it a good value. This is a pussy market. And just because someone is willing to pay $500 for pussy does not make it intrinsically worth more. No one would go into a store and pay $200 for a item that is priced at $100. My thoughts are that even if I was a 1%er. Pussy would still only be worth $100 a session to me. The absolute value of $1 does not change because you have a million of them. $1 buys us all the same amount of goods in the market place.

What I take from the discussion is that one does themselves a disservice by not paying attention to the value portion of these transactions. Mr. Rob provides a very reasoned explanation of his particular market and the reasons why he pays $300 to $500 for pussy. The Southern California market is different. And I am soon going to explore the Las Vegas market.

One also has to factor in the motivation of the garden tool. I have three expense only garden tools. They require no sugar. I just have to pay for everything and get them gifts. I have three booty call garden tools. They are $100 a session. They don't watch the clock. I bust twice and they are off. We both prefer it that way.

Attention! Commander on deck![/QUOTE]My CPO still comes out pretty good I'm young and so I recover quick and get multiple pops. Even in the California market, I shell about 250-500 for an 8-10 (non blk girl). I pay the premium to avoid Nando's and UTR. I fine girls who are verifiable, normal college educated a job no criminal history. Also I get most my girls off SA, because SA girls seem more normal then sd4me. The allowance publishing on SA causes GPS. You also have those sugar babys on the blogs, who are datig 1% guys and they ifluence others. Example I have a ddate with a latin MILF former fitness model, college educated, low security risk. This is what I pay that premium for. I could get a girl off sd4me for 150, but theres a chance she could be complete crazy nando. I need that piece of mind. Also, I think because I am on the younger end of sugar daddys. I rate girls a little harsher, because I associate with young woman in night clubs all the time. So a 7. 5 to some of you guys is a 5 or lower to me. I'm a lot more picky when it comes to looks is another reason, I pay a premium. But no worries it just like smart phones, some people want cheaper androids and other wants a premium for apple.