Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Boston234;5745225]I was wondering what is people's experience with strippers?

I've met three so far and they were definitely all about the money. One was OK, one I passed, and the last one I only found out she used to be a stripper after meeting her a few times. The last one honestly wasn't the best experience. She was very attractive but she would ignore texts and be stone cold when we met. I think she had a narcissistic personality disorder.

Not sure if most strippers are like this and I should avoid them in general?[/QUOTE]Strippers is a pretty wide open topic pun intended. I've been seeing one off of SA for several years. I've also dated a few here and there. They are definitely all about the money at first. Because they can't usually separate what they're doing on SA with what they do at the club. Consistent bonus is they usually know how to make you feel good, desired, etc and they like to put on a bit of a performance. Obviously they like to get naked so you don't have to make much of an effort there.

Once you get a routine going you find out who they really are because they don't have to do their whole hustle to get you to pay for things. Many of them are indeed crazy and the result of some trauma but some just are hot and realized pretty quickly how to use their assets to make guys give them what they want. I would say overall experiences have been positive. A lot of them need help doing simple things like managing money, investing, real estate, legal problems, etc.

One additional unique bonus above other potential hotties on SA is you can usually sample the goods at the club before committing to some kind of OTC relationship. You have to get used to their lifestyle though and that's probably the worst part about the whole dynamic. By night they are in hustle mode and doing whatever they want to extract money out of guys. By day, outside the club, similar attitude to some extent but I've had a lot of fun with them if you can get them to talk about their stripper persona as just a job or separate it from what you do together. Like don't talk about the club all the time. Because if you let your relationship be defined by that then you're just a glorified customer who they know outside.

Just depends on what you're up for from a BS tolerance perspective. There is a significant amount of BS to deal with.

Have you been able to link Venmo etc to an anonymous credit card? I have found that most will only link to and withdraw money from a verified checking 3.

[QUOTE=JDeller;5746544]After a few dates I just move to venmo. Most guys aren't comfortable with that but I like the convenience and avoids making the whole deal seem transactional and them feeling like a _ It also tends to limit any further discussion of money, like, "Can we do a higher ppm moving forward? "My oil bill just came".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BR1201;5746627]Once you get a routine going you find out who they really are because they don't have to do their whole hustle to get you to pay for things. Many of them are indeed crazy and the result of some trauma but some just are hot and realized pretty quickly how to use their assets to make guys give them what they want. I would say overall experiences have been positive. A lot of them need help doing simple things like managing money, investing, real estate, legal problems, etc.
[/QUOTE]This is very much my experience as well. The mindset that makes for a successful stripper is 100% hustle, 24/7. As long as you can deal with that, they can be a lot of fun. Had a fairly long term thing in the pre-SA era with a straight up gorgeous woman in Orange County, CA back in the day. She'd had a tough childhood and had a lot of demons, but she was also smart, curious, and eager to learn. We bonded over a shared passion for food and wine, as well as both of us discovering that we were into D / s play. She was very submissive once she'd realized I was a safe space.

One thing I'd add is that a lot of times these girls are used to the men in their life using them, not only as sex objects, but also economically. If you can slide into a space where you can add value to their life beyond the financial, with actual mentor ship, emotional support, and access to social, business, and cultural spaces, you can find yourself with something special. If you can't, you'll either be another leech or another customer, and it'll probably never be special. And, let's be honest, if your only jam is fucking beautiful women, that might be okay too.

[QUOTE=MamboMikea;5746646]Have you been able to link Venmo etc to an anonymous credit card? I have found that most will only link to and withdraw money from a verified checking 3.[/QUOTE]It's my understanding that Venmo does not share bank account info with the recipient -- only the Venmo details which can be anonymized (fake name, anonymous gmail account, etc.).

[QUOTE=JamesWoods;5746617]

If someone meets with her and it is a positive experience I would love to know. Maybe this was some other girl using her pics, or something? I am an optimist.
[/QUOTE]Your optimism got you in that situation in the first place, and it'll happen again if you don't adjust your approach a bit.

The distance between a girl who will merely dash with the cash, and a girl who'll bring a guy in to also rob you and / or beat you, is relatively small.

That sucks! In this game long enough, this crap eventually happens. Most of us learn the hard way. Good luck in the future!

[QUOTE=JamesWoods;5745393]Quick Quick Version:

She reached out via SA. Usual pleasantries. Seemed to check out. Moved the convo to Snap Chat. Set up a meet at a local hotel. Wanted 4. 5 for BBFS or 5 for Greek.

Seemed like a pro, she didn't pop any other red flags.

Later at hotel she comes in, makes small talk, we get comfortable. She asks about the donation, we get that out of the way. She is heavier than in the pics but I roll with it. She plays with Mr. Happy for a couple min, gets a text notification, apologizes, and says she will be right back. Leaves her purse on the bedside table to "prove she will be back", and runs out to her car. 15 min goes by and it becomes clear that she took off. Blocked me on all communications. I check the bag (not a half bad LV knock off) and it's empty sans a bottle of shitty perfume.

Buyer beware. YMMV.

JW.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JamesWoods;5745393]Later at hotel she comes in, makes small talk, we get comfortable. She asks about the donation, we get that out of the way. She is heavier than in the pics but I roll with it. She plays with Mr. Happy for a couple min, gets a text notification, apologizes, and says she will be right back. Leaves her purse on the bedside table to "prove she will be back", and runs out to her car. 15 min goes by and it becomes clear that she took off. Blocked me on all communications. I check the bag (not a half bad LV knock off) and it's empty sans a bottle of shitty perfume.[/QUOTE]This is a key difference between sugar dating and escorts: professional providers require payment up front, SB's are given the gift at the end of the session. In almost 5 years of sugar dating I had only one SB demand the gift up front and it was the one and only time I was scammed. If the SB wants the gift up front, turn around and walk away. Hard pass.

You missed the point. I don't want Venmo or similar to be removing money from my bank account. Only a protected and safe credit card.

[QUOTE=Bran001;5746781]It's my understanding that Venmo does not share bank account info with the recipient -- only the Venmo details which can be anonymized (fake name, anonymous gmail account, etc.).[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HounDog3;5746834]This is a key difference between sugar dating and escorts: professional providers require payment up front, SB's are given the gift at the end of the session. In almost 5 years of sugar dating I had only one SB demand the gift up front and it was the one and only time I was scammed. If the SB wants the gift up front, turn around and walk away. Hard pass.[/QUOTE]Read HDs comments twice. True words!!

I have never had a true SB ask for money up front and if they do it's a hard no there is the door. It takes some discipline to walk away but it will never fail you.

[QUOTE=JDeller;5746544]

After a few dates I just move to venmo. Most guys aren't comfortable with that but I like the convenience and avoids making the whole deal seem transactional and them feeling like a _ It also tends to limit any further discussion of money, like, "Can we do a higher ppm moving forward? "My oil bill just came".[/QUOTE]Careful with Venmo. I wouldn't recommend friending anyone. Most people know to use an anonymous name and to set their transactions to private. But there is a second setting to make all your past transactions private (many don't know this). Remember, your transaction history cannot be deleted. They can only be set to private. Also, Venmo openly admits to selling your information to third parties. I understand it's easier to use and feels less transactional but cash is probably the safest way to go. And there is nothing stopping a girl for asking more money no matter how you are paying her. Just my 2 cents.

There is no account info. Just your profile name. Make sure all transactions are set to private so the whole world doesn't see you are making regular payments to someone with a sexy female avatar.

[QUOTE=MamboMikea;5746646]Have you been able to link Venmo etc to an anonymous credit card? I have found that most will only link to and withdraw money from a verified checking 3.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MamboMikea;5746846]You missed the point. I don't want Venmo or similar to be removing money from my bank account. Only a protected and safe credit card.[/QUOTE]I prefer using cashapp without any bank info or anything connected. You can deposit cash at like cvs and a couple other places just showing an I'd and your cashapp code on the phone then it's on your account to send to whom ever you want. Super easy, just keep it stacked or load it when you need it. Never have to worry about having banking info on your phone or being connected to your account or anything like that. It's worked for me for a while now.

[QUOTE=HounDog3;5746834]This is a key difference between sugar dating and escorts: professional providers require payment up front, SB's are given the gift at the end of the session. In almost 5 years of sugar dating I had only one SB demand the gift up front and it was the one and only time I was scammed. If the SB wants the gift up front, turn around and walk away. Hard pass.[/QUOTE]With new / young SB's I've given the gift up front -- not because they asked (they didn't) but just to clear their mind that they aren't going to get scammed by me. This has been greeted by a heartfelt "THANK YOU. ".

Whether we think about it or not, it's in the back of the mind of these girls. "Will he actually give me the gift?" Again, not a situation where she asks for it. We all know that pro's and thieves ask for it up front.

[QUOTE=JamesWoods;5746617]Normally that is my policy too. I was thrown off a little because the conversations seemed good. I can usually tell after the first few messages back and forth if it is going to be a waste of time. Like I said, no real red flags. The date was going well to that point.

If someone meets with her and it is a positive experience I would love to know. Maybe this was some other girl using her pics, or something? I am an optimist.

Have fun. Be careful.

JW.[/QUOTE]Yeah man it gets the best of us sometimes. Like I have mentioned before in a previous post I was scammed for buying a $100 STEAM gift card once I was on my way to meet he SB. Good thing I was able to recoup my losses by reselling them on ebay for a 20% loss. Better than losing out on $100 for a gift card and not getting laid LOL. Be careful out there fellas.

I was trying check out some of the links, but almost all of them are showing up as "This profile no longer exists", is there a trick I am missing here?

[QUOTE=suaimmagine;5745309]I'd stay clear of that site. TONS of bots and very few real women. SA has a lot of scammers and flaws, but SB is the worst. Here's a post from a former employee.

[URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/n2mf23/beware_secret_benefits_from_employee/[/URL][/QUOTE]Hmmmm That's unfortunate. Thanks for the warning though. Some of the women looked great.

[QUOTE=LoveOralNs;5749113]Hmmmm That's unfortunate. Thanks for the warning though. Some of the women looked great.[/QUOTE]And the typical message is Hi or Hey.

Costly.

Lex? Jasmyn?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/25a67de7-e44b-4736-bce2-6d48153220cb[/URL]

Weird girl. Promises to squirt and let you finger her. And whatever else for 350? 300. Definitely delivered on the first part. But once that was done, they got dressed in a hurry and left.

I should have let the big head do the thinking and not paid till I was done. So. I'm out 300+ Cost of room.

Attached are their pictures. Buyer beware.

[QUOTE=GlennDoyle91;5749545]Lex? Jasmyn?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/25a67de7-e44b-4736-bce2-6d48153220cb[/URL]

Weird girl. Promises to squirt and let you finger her. And whatever else for 350? 300. Definitely delivered on the first part. But once that was done, they got dressed in a hurry and left.

I should have let the big head do the thinking and not paid till I was done. So. I'm out 300+ Cost of room.

Attached are their pictures. Buyer beware.[/QUOTE]Texas? Her profile says.

[QUOTE=GlennDoyle91;5749545]Lex? Jasmyn?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/25a67de7-e44b-4736-bce2-6d48153220cb[/URL]

Weird girl. Promises to squirt and let you finger her. And whatever else for 350? 300. Definitely delivered on the first part. But once that was done, they got dressed in a hurry and left.

I should have let the big head do the thinking and not paid till I was done. So. I'm out 300+ Cost of room.

Attached are their pictures. Buyer beware.[/QUOTE]I Don't see any pics attached LOL.

[QUOTE=JoshDan;5748085]I was trying check out some of the links, but almost all of them are showing up as "This profile no longer exists", is there a trick I am missing here?[/QUOTE]Nope. There's just a lot of churn with SA. Girls will find what they need, or get scared and deactivate.

[QUOTE=Mfp79;5749888]Nope. There's just a lot of churn with SA. Girls will find what they need, or get scared and deactivate.[/QUOTE]Whoops. Posting in the wrong state, LOL.

[QUOTE=JDeller;5747029]There is no account info. Just your profile name. Make sure all transactions are set to private so the whole world doesn't see you are making regular payments to someone with a sexy female avatar.[/QUOTE]Similarly, there's no reason not to have a completely separate Venmo / CashApp / PayPal for black ops. I have an entirely separate bank account for such purposes in fact. The only thing it's tied to is a brokerage account, and that's to facilitate UTR money transfers. Nothing that goes to playmates is tied to an account where my actual name is available for scrutiny.

[QUOTE=RockySkis;5751114]Similarly, there's no reason not to have a completely separate Venmo / CashApp / PayPal for black ops. I have an entirely separate bank account for such purposes in fact. The only thing it's tied to is a brokerage account, and that's to facilitate UTR money transfers. Nothing that goes to playmates is tied to an account where my actual name is available for scrutiny.[/QUOTE]You have a bank account that is nowhere tied to your real identity, SSN, etc? If not, it's not "completely separate".

If it's simply not wanting your name not being available to funds recipients, Venmo and CashApp work that way already.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a9976532-c33c-4f70-82dd-ba805e9913c9[/URL]

Where's the high rollers? Someone take a dive and let us know how much you blew on this, if it's even real. It definitely sounds fun. But, it will definitely be over 2 K, if not more!

[QUOTE=Mattis1775;5752030][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a9976532-c33c-4f70-82dd-ba805e9913c9[/URL]

Where's the high rollers? Someone take a dive and let us know how much you blew on this, if it's even real. It definitely sounds fun. But, it will definitely be over 2 K, if not more![/QUOTE]Read. The. Profile. "Platonic".

[QUOTE=Mattis1775;5752030][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a9976532-c33c-4f70-82dd-ba805e9913c9[/URL]

Where's the high rollers? Someone take a dive and let us know how much you blew on this, if it's even real. It definitely sounds fun. But, it will definitely be over 2 K, if not more![/QUOTE]Looks like the D Squad to me. Hard Pass.

[QUOTE=Bran001;5752343]Read. The. Profile. "Platonic".[/QUOTE]Basically, they'll entertain you without even touching you. They'll still make out big $$ for the right sucker.

This cutie is open to anything except physical sex but would love to chat. Needless to say, that's as far as I got and ended with a polite thank you. LOL.

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/messages?box=Inbox&requested_profile_id=7761143[/URL]
https://members.seeking.com/member/5c72b8ed-6ee0-4e05-9819-0d0653ae070c

So I got this girl on the line that I have only texted with so far and haven't met yet. She decided to tell me that she has 4 therapists including one that specializes in dissociative identity disorder. First I thought, wow Red flag no thanks this girls nuts. Then I found myself wondering how her different personalities may compare to each other in the sack. Like could I get one for round one that have her like switch it up for round 2 and compare them? Idk maybe I'm just as fucked In the head as she is.

Thoughts?

[QUOTE=NicosWave24;5756204]So I got this girl on the line that I have only texted with so far and haven't met yet. She decided to tell me that she has 4 therapists including one that specializes in dissociative identity disorder. First I thought, wow Red flag no thanks this girls nuts. Then I found myself wondering how her different personalities may compare to each other in the sack. Like could I get one for round one that have her like switch it up for round 2 and compare them? Idk maybe I'm just as fucked In the head as she is.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]DID doesn't work that way. Only in the movies.

[QUOTE=Bran001;5756348]DID doesn't work that way. Only in the movies.[/QUOTE]Hey a mfer can dream right lmao.

Looks like you're linking to two different girls there's. Both the same story?

[QUOTE=Joe1223;5755156]This cutie is open to anything except physical sex but would love to chat. Needless to say, that's as far as I got and ended with a polite thank you. LOL.

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/messages?box=Inbox&requested_profile_id=7761143[/URL]
https://members.seeking.com/member/5c72b8ed-6ee0-4e05-9819-0d0653ae070c[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=IOnDaStreet;5756814]Looks like you're linking to two different girls there's. Both the same story?[/QUOTE]Same girl on both sites. Looks like one like is dead. Try again.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5c72b8ed-6ee0-4e05-9819-0d0653ae070c[/URL]

[QUOTE=Mattis1775;5752575]Basically, they'll entertain you without even touching you. They'll still make out big $$ for the right sucker.[/QUOTE]When I first started on SA a few years ago I would ignore all Platonic listed profiles but over time started feeling them out if I was interested and they were conveniently located to me.

In my experience 50% of them are open to more than a platonic arrangement. My current long term SB actually had platonic listed on her profile and I fucked her ass directly after our meet and greet.

Not saying you shouldn't write off most platonic profiles but if you are into her look / profile vibe and you see potential there sometimes its worth exploring it.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ad4427af-d6e7-4e48-98c1-400f2e605159[/URL]

Med student apparently looking for 3 K per month or so. Has a sob story about breaking up with a bf. After talking with her I think he dodged a bullet LOL. Think she is fake. Platonic only in conversations. I'm posting a picture here cause I swear I've seen this profile before but I can't put my finger on it. Hoping someone else recognizes it.

[QUOTE=SwimSays;5758225]When I first started on SA a few years ago I would ignore all Platonic listed profiles but over time started feeling them out if I was interested and they were conveniently located to me.

In my experience 50% of them are open to more than a platonic arrangement. My current long term SB actually had platonic listed on her profile and I fucked her ass directly after our meet and greet.

Not saying you shouldn't write off most platonic profiles but if you are into her look / profile vibe and you see potential there sometimes its worth exploring it.[/QUOTE]I find if they list it in their profile text. They are only looking to sell their * If they choose the tag only and there's no mention in the text, it's a coin flip that they actually know what Platonic actually means or what the tag on the profile implies.

[QUOTE=Bran001;5751999]You have a bank account that is nowhere tied to your real identity, SSN, etc? If not, it's not "completely separate".

If it's simply not wanting your name not being available to funds recipients, Venmo and CashApp work that way already.[/QUOTE]It's a business account and it's tied to a Nevada LLC I set up a long time ago for another project. Could it be traced to me? Absolutely. I'm not trying evade the Feds. I'm creating barriers against casual searches. Besides, it's helpful come tax time too since mentorship of these young women isn't very profitable, especially when you include the T&E costs associated with closing the sale.

[QUOTE=NicosWave24;5756204]So I got this girl on the line that I have only texted with so far and haven't met yet. She decided to tell me that she has 4 therapists including one that specializes in dissociative identity disorder. First I thought, wow Red flag no thanks this girls nuts. Then I found myself wondering how her different personalities may compare to each other in the sack. Like could I get one for round one that have her like switch it up for round 2 and compare them? Idk maybe I'm just as fucked In the head as she is.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]Run.

I started seeing a girl last year that was super smart, tight body, naive as hell, and a great lay. She always seemed a little manic, but whatever. Then last week, just ahead of a scheduled meet, she texts me a bathroom selfie in a hospital type situation, saying they were taking her phone and she was being put on a 72 hour hold. She texted again about 4 days later saying she was going in-patient for eight weeks.

Got to draw the line somewhere and this is it for me.

[QUOTE=SwimSays;5758225]When I first started on SA a few years ago I would ignore all Platonic listed profiles but over time started feeling them out if I was interested and they were conveniently located to me.

In my experience 50% of them are open to more than a platonic arrangement. My current long term SB actually had platonic listed on her profile and I fucked her ass directly after our meet and greet.

Not saying you shouldn't write off most platonic profiles but if you are into her look / profile vibe and you see potential there sometimes its worth exploring it.[/QUOTE]Definitely. A decent number I've chatted with don't even know what Platonic means. Others just want to feel like they're being valued as something more than a piece of fuckmeat.