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[QUOTE=PieBoy;5120522]I believe his exact words were that 50% can't afford HealthCARE. He did not say INSURANCE. A lot of people have government mandated insurance but still can't or won't pay deductibles and copays.[/QUOTE]The mandates in the ACA were thrown out by SCOTUS. No one has govt mandated insurance.
[QUOTE=Concupiscent69;5120559]This is my second attempt at replying to this and can only speculate why the original hasn't been posted yet, if it will at all.
I also want to thank you for your service and stated "Thank you for your service, pussy. But just kidding, as I'm sincerely thankful to ALL veterans, like my father.
I also said, let me know your business locations and I'll buy you a drink at your own bar. LOL.[/QUOTE]My father was in the Navy. I was actually born on a Naval Base. Spent my early years all over the country. Charleston, San Diego (El Cajon) , Seattle (Pudget Sound). Then we moved back to Detroit in the early 80's. I lived on Patton on the west side. Ended up enlisting myself and spent time in Somalia and Sri Lanka.
Hopefully I'll be able to have a drink with someone at one of them sometime soon. Looks like it won't be until at least January 15th now. But that's a whole different subject that I really don't want to even think about right now.
This mess of a paragraph is so badly riddled with false or inaccurate statements that I'm going to pass on the opportunity to pick it apart.
[QUOTE=PeterGozinya;5120952]I did say afford. But it doesn't make a difference to someone that refuses to open up their eyes and see. The are a lot of people out there that don't have insurance or can't afford insurance or have the basic minimum required coverage to put them in debt if anything serious medically goes wrong with them. I have an Aunt that lost her job this year because of this shit. Do you know how much a Cobra Health Plan costs? Brutal. The real point to what I was trying to make in the post this all stems from is that it shouldn't surprise any of us how hard COVID-19 is hitting the United States. With the risk factors we are all aware of whom is considered high risk. Elderly, Obese, and underlying health conditions. We all know what the CDC recommends to help curb the spread. Social distancing, masks and Washing your hands. We also all know that you can't tell Americans shit. We don't listen. We are the fattest country in the World and we have the perfect storm of either people that don't have health care or don't use it in a preventative manner to stay healthy. They only use it for emergencies because it still costs them too much money. And the bottom line is when you add that all up we get exactly this. The most cases and deaths in the world. As a matter of fact even if one of these people living in a bubble on hear argued that half of the reported deaths were false, we STILL would have the most deaths of any country in the world. And it blows my mind that nobody is talking about why it is this way. Our political parties are too busy bickering back and fourth about who one the fucking election. I mean really? Or how about this joke of a stimulus check they are pushing now? 600 dollars? Are you kidding me? I mean I won't get one either way so it doesn't effect me but I mean damn, 600 dollars won't even pay one month of the median rent in any of the 50 states. What the fuck does that do for people out of work? It's really a sick joke. Or government is making the filter rich even richer and pissing on the rest. It's the tax payers money. How about we dismantle Trumps space force project. Or the 160 billion for the wall? Nope those are much more important. We have to stop all these immigrants from coming here. I mean it's not like this country was founded and defined by immigrants or something. Oh wait. It was.
I swear to God if the border to Canada wasn't closed I would just go live at my cottage and be done with this fucking shit show of a government we have. It's literally a dumpster fire.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PeterGozinya;5121398]My father was in the Navy. I was actually born on a Naval Base. Spent my early years all over the country. Charleston, San Diego (El Cajon) , Seattle (Pudget Sound). Then we moved back to Detroit in the early 80's. I lived on Patton on the west side. Ended up enlisting myself and spent time in Somalia and Sri Lanka.
Hopefully I'll be able to have a drink with someone at one of them sometime soon. Looks like it won't be until at least January 15th now. But that's a whole different subject that I really don't want to even think about right now.[/QUOTE]My father was Navy as well, then Army reserved for the remainder of his life. I was unable to enter the military due to hearing loss and failing the test. Thus, I was PMRed. If I can't be a soldier / veteran, then I will stand behind each one with pride, regardless of any other differences and disagreements.
[QUOTE=SingDong99;5121756]This mess of a paragraph is so badly riddled with false or inaccurate statements that I'm going to pass on the opportunity to pick it apart.[/QUOTE]DingDong-.
By all means. Let it rip. I would love to see any factual information showing one single incorrect statement from my post.
No response on your completely retarded statement about Sweden though huh?
Kinda tough to stick with your statement about Sweden when the King of Sweden comes out and says they completely got it wrong. But what does he know right? He's only the King of Sweden. LOL.
Bro I have proven multiple statements by you to be completely incorrect. And each time you either ignore the proof or make some other dumb ass statement.
So please. Prove just one thing in that post of mine that is incorrect. With actual proof, not your opinion.
[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5120484]Anything this Ping bung dong fuk says is lemming white middle-class rich envious BS. Bing dung fung your dik suking of the rich us so pathetic and unbecomingly of a poor middle-class cnt trying to act lije a know it all rich person making if your lucky a mesley 60 to 100 k a year. LOL broke lemmings voting and acting like the 400 k a year republicans. Dream on bing dung fung lemming white middle-class republican conspiracy theories fool.[/QUOTE]True. Clearly SingDungCumDump lives in a bubble.
[QUOTE=GolDark;5120264]When NPR is considered "left wing."
When a point of supposed contention means you can easily dismiss every other valid argument.
When "dropping links" (you know, citing facts and evidence from credible sources) is dismissed simply because you don't agree with them.
You might be willfully ignorant. And stupid.
The thing about ignorant, arrogant, stupid people is they don't realize how stupid they are. They are so sure and confident in what they "feel" is right and any evidence to the contrary is something they're "sick" of seeing. Best to not acknowledge such posters. Or if it entertains you, mock and shame them and move on.[/QUOTE]This DingDong guy just keeps sticking to his guns though! Nevermind the multiple sources of articles proving him wrong. I mean WTF does the CDC know right?
Apparently DingDong knows more then the King of Sweden too.
I just can't with this clown anymore. He deflects and completely ignores facts. I'm just waiting for the " I know you are but what am I " line next. Or how about " I'm rubber and your glue. " LOL.
He just comes back with " I could pick this apart but I'm not going to ".
* please Dingdong. You look and sound stupid and you should just shut your worthless cock holster.
[QUOTE=SingDong99;5121756]This mess of a paragraph is so badly riddled with false or inaccurate statements that I'm going to pass on the opportunity to pick it apart.[/QUOTE]Another person lets ding don dung dung what a moron he is and of course ding song deflects and plays stupid typical of a white rich lemming white middle-class republican who believes only conspiracy theories instead of real Doctors and Scientists. So typical of these lemming white middle-class republicans who think just because they are white they are rich. Pathetic little fools.
[QUOTE=PeterGozinya;5121835]DingDong-.
By all means. Let it rip. I would love to see any factual information showing one single incorrect statement from my post.
No response on your completely retarded statement about Sweden though huh?
Kinda tough to stick with your statement about Sweden when the King of Sweden comes out and says they completely got it wrong. But what does he know right? He's only the King of Sweden. LOL.
Bro I have proven multiple statements by you to be completely incorrect. And each time you either ignore the proof or make some other dumb ass statement.
So please. Prove just one thing in that post of mine that is incorrect. With actual proof, not your opinion.[/QUOTE]America worst in the world. Yes, IF you believe that China, with ONE BILLION more people than the US who have been exposed to corona longer than anybody else on the planet, the country that literally threw the doctor who identified covid 19 into prison for informing the WHO, who most likely killed that same doctor, which has ZERO history of government transparency, is actually telling the truth when they say they have had 4500 deaths and 85,000 cases. Seriously, if you're buying that I have a bridge in Brooklyn you may be interested in...
That's one.
Here's another one, The King of Sweden isn't a doctor, the head of medicine in Sweden is. I'm going with him. All of the left leaning press has been excoriating him for taking a reasonable approach to covid, yet they are already on the back side of the second wave.
However, since saving lives is important to you maybe stop killing these people team lockdown has already destroyed the lives of 5% of the worlds population, are you going to go for another half a billion?
[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL]
A2.
[QUOTE=PeterGozinya;5121835]DingDong-.
By all means. Let it rip. I would love to see any factual information showing one single incorrect statement from my post.
No response on your completely retarded statement about Sweden though huh?
Kinda tough to stick with your statement about Sweden when the King of Sweden comes out and says they completely got it wrong. But what does he know right? He's only the King of Sweden. LOL.
Bro I have proven multiple statements by you to be completely incorrect. And each time you either ignore the proof or make some other dumb ass statement.
So please. Prove just one thing in that post of mine that is incorrect. With actual proof, not your opinion.[/QUOTE]According to the US mortality rate is 867.8 per 100,000 people. That means that about 2. 85 million people die every year of all causes in the US. That's everything, cancer, heart attacks, falling off bridges, everything. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm[/URL].
In 2020, the year of the worst pandemic of the century where an astonishing 300,000 people have died with corona (91% over the age of 55 and 94% of them had an average of 2. 9 of the comorbidities that corona feeds on) I've yet to find anybody, including two epidemiologists, who can explain why the same number of people are dying of all causes this year as died in the last three years. One of the epidemiologists told me I was unqualified to ask the question, yet apparently the King of Sweden can have medical opinions, and the other told me it was due to less deaths from car accidents until I looked it up and found out that yes, deaths from car accidents are down but only by 3% and only 38,000 people die from car wrecks a year.
So maybe you can tell me why as of yesterday with 12 days to go in the year, only 2,777,572 have died so far when before covid we were expecting 2. 85 million to die in 2020?
I can give you a hint, less than 7000 people have died from influenza this year, that number is usually around 40,000. Heart disease deaths down, cancer down, but the same number of people dying of all causes.
Before you fingerwag me, do some homework, everything I just said is right here.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm[/URL]
It's not info wars, it's not Faux News nor Breitbart News, it's not some alt Right site, it's the CDC.
A2.
[QUOTE=Admin2;5122480]According to the US mortality rate is 867.8 per 100,000 people. That means that about 2. 85 million people die every year of all causes in the US. That's everything, cancer, heart attacks, falling off bridges, everything. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm[/URL].
In 2020, the year of the worst pandemic of the century where an astonishing 300,000 people have died with corona (91% over the age of 55 and 94% of them had an average of 2. 9 of the comorbidities that corona feeds on) I've yet to find anybody, including two epidemiologists, who can explain why the same number of people are dying of all causes this year as died in the last three years. One of the epidemiologists told me I was unqualified to ask the question, yet apparently the King of Sweden can have medical opinions, and the other told me it was due to less deaths from car accidents until I looked it up and found out that yes, deaths from car accidents are down but only by 3% and only 38,000 people die from car wrecks a year.
So maybe you can tell me why as of yesterday with 12 days to go in the year, only 2,777,572 have died so far when before covid we were expecting 2. 85 million to die in 2020?
I can give you a hint, less than 7000 people have died from influenza this year, that number is usually around 40,000. Heart disease deaths down, cancer down, but the same number of people dying of all causes.
Before you fingerwag me, do some homework, everything I just said is right here.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm[/URL]
It's not info wars, it's not Faux News nor Breitbart News, it's not some alt Right site, it's the CDC.
A2.[/QUOTE]Note that the 2777 number started w / e 2-1-2020 and also note this in the notes section.
*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death.
So you're probably missing about 3 weeks at the beginning of the year and 4 more thru Dec. 16 and 2 more to go. Thats 9 weeks missing for the year 2020. So 2777 x 52/43= 3358 for 2020 when the tally becomes final.
The devil is in the detail son.
NOTE: Number of deaths reported in this table are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period. Counts of death occurring before or after the reporting period are not included in the table.
*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death.
You have to wait until at least February to get complete numbers. My numbers are also from cdc. Gov. Of deaths the past 12 months.
[QUOTE=PeterGozinya;5120952]I did say afford. But it doesn't make a difference to someone that refuses to open up their eyes and see. The are a lot of people out there that don't have insurance or can't afford insurance or have the basic minimum required coverage to put them in debt if anything serious medically goes wrong with them. I have an Aunt that lost her job this year because of this shit. Do you know how much a Cobra Health Plan costs? Brutal. The real point to what I was trying to make in the post this all stems from is that it shouldn't surprise any of us how hard COVID-19 is hitting the United States. With the risk factors we are all aware of whom is considered high risk. Elderly, Obese, and underlying health conditions. We all know what the CDC recommends to help curb the spread. Social distancing, masks and Washing your hands. We also all know that you can't tell Americans shit. We don't listen. We are the fattest country in the World and we have the perfect storm of either people that don't have health care or don't use it in a preventative manner to stay healthy. They only use it for emergencies because it still costs them too much money. And the bottom line is when you add that all up we get exactly this. The most cases and deaths in the world. As a matter of fact even if one of these people living in a bubble on hear argued that half of the reported deaths were false, we STILL would have the most deaths of any country in the world. And it blows my mind that nobody is talking about why it is this way. Our political parties are too busy bickering back and fourth about who one the fucking election. I mean really? Or how about this joke of a stimulus check they are pushing now? 600 dollars? Are you kidding me? I mean I won't get one either way so it doesn't effect me but I mean damn, 600 dollars won't even pay one month of the median rent in any of the 50 states. What the fuck does that do for people out of work? It's really a sick joke. Or government is making the filter rich even richer and pissing on the rest. It's the tax payers money. How about we dismantle Trumps space force project. Or the 160 billion for the wall? Nope those are much more important. We have to stop all these immigrants from coming here. I mean it's not like this country was founded and defined by immigrants or something. Oh wait. It was.
I swear to God if the border to Canada wasn't closed I would just go live at my cottage and be done with this fucking shit show of a government we have. It's literally a dumpster fire.[/QUOTE]Where's your cottage in Ca? Mine's in the UP and it's no better up there.
I'm a bottom line kind of guy. Are there more deaths this year than expected? CDC calls these excess deaths. The country is at 115% NOT LESS.
[QUOTE=Admin2;5122480]According to the US mortality rate is 867.8 per 100,000 people. That means that about 2. 85 million people die every year of all causes in the US. That's everything, cancer, heart attacks, falling off bridges, everything. [URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm[/URL].
In 2020, the year of the worst pandemic of the century where an astonishing 300,000 people have died with corona (91% over the age of 55 and 94% of them had an average of 2. 9 of the comorbidities that corona feeds on) I've yet to find anybody, including two epidemiologists, who can explain why the same number of people are dying of all causes this year as died in the last three years. One of the epidemiologists told me I was unqualified to ask the question, yet apparently the King of Sweden can have medical opinions, and the other told me it was due to less deaths from car accidents until I looked it up and found out that yes, deaths from car accidents are down but only by 3% and only 38,000 people die from car wrecks a year.
So maybe you can tell me why as of yesterday with 12 days to go in the year, only 2,777,572 have died so far when before covid we were expecting 2. 85 million to die in 2020?
I can give you a hint, less than 7000 people have died from influenza this year, that number is usually around 40,000. Heart disease deaths down, cancer down, but the same number of people dying of all causes.
Before you fingerwag me, do some homework, everything I just said is right here.
[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm[/URL]
It's not info wars, it's not Faux News nor Breitbart News, it's not some alt Right site, it's the CDC.
A2.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nick6789;5122628]NOTE: Number of deaths reported in this table are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period. Counts of death occurring before or after the reporting period are not included in the table.
*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death.
You have to wait until at least February to get complete numbers. My numbers are also from cdc. Gov. Of deaths the past 12 months.[/QUOTE]And when that number is 2. 85 million then I'm sure the epidemiologists that have been telling us that number doesn't mean what it obviously means will have a different spin. Even if it lagged the presence of 300,000 additional deaths from a novel virus would be reflected in incomplete counts. 300,000 deaths is 10% of the total number of expected deaths. There was a massive spike in corona deaths from March to May, 7 months has passed since then, it's not showing in the daily average deaths.
Sorry, it's not going to be there. Maybe a few because as the CDC says 6% of the 300,000 had only covid listed is a cause of death 94% had an average of 2. 9 of the following illnesses or conditions.
Cancer.
Chronic kidney disease.
COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease).
Heart conditions, such as heart failure, coronary artery disease, or cardiomyopathies.
Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from solid organ transplant.
Obesity (body mass index BMI of 30 kg / m2 or higher but < 40 kg / m2).
Severe Obesity (BMI ≥ 40 kg / m2).
Pregnancy.
Sickle cell disease.
Smoking.
Asthma (moderate-to-severe).
Cerebrovascular disease (affects blood vessels and blood supply to the brain).
Cystic fibrosis.
Hypertension or high blood pressure.
Immunocompromised state (weakened immune system) from blood or bone marrow transplant, immune deficiencies, HIV, use of corticosteroids, or use of other immune weakening medicines.
Neurologic conditions, such as dementia.
Liver disease.
Overweight (BMI 25 kg / m2, but < 30 kg / m2).
Pulmonary fibrosis (having damaged or scarred lung tissues).
Thalassemia (a type of blood disorder).
Type 1 diabetes mellitus.
So in fact, 91% have been over the age of 55 and 94% of them had on average of nearly 3 life threatening diseases in addition to covid.
These are facts, I know they don't fit your narrative but they are the facts none the less.
In February it's going to be right at 867.8 that died per 100,000 people which is exactly what was projected at the beginning of 2020 before covid was a thing.