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Is there any $350 all in for 1 hr BBFS CIP / CIM / MSOG in NY?
I was able to visit LA and holy shit that was amazing. Young talent and amazing service. I remember being in NY for the first time a couple years ago and saw Etsuko, oh wow, I want to go back to either NY or LA LOL.
NY is cheaper flight wise but the offset is the prices here for mongering is crazy since usually its +200 for BBFS.
[QUOTE=PinWheel97;7282502]Is back at 1010. Go see her if you like deep throat and swallow. No video.[/QUOTE]Damn. Maho is still no video.
[QUOTE=DrunkenKid;7282433]Or randomly to PPC.
[B]Ailee PPC[/B] [URL]https://www.pleasure-palace.club/ailee[/URL].[/QUOTE]That is not Nana though.
Selina PPC [URL]https://www.pleasure-palace.club/selina[/URL].
Candid photo set looks familiar, think she's been at PPC if not somewhere else in NY before. PPC and OF the two big JShops that I haven't visited yet.
[QUOTE=SenorVac;7282509]Is there any $350 all in for 1 hr BBFS CIP / CIM / MSOG in NY?
I was able to visit LA and holy shit that was amazing. Young talent and amazing service. I remember being in NY for the first time a couple years ago and saw Etsuko, oh wow, I want to go back to either NY or LA LOL.
NY is cheaper flight wise but the offset is the prices here for mongering is crazy since usually its +200 for BBFS.[/QUOTE]
Many East Coast friends would love to try bb all-in, but it doesn't exist in NYC or Nova. I will share info on why East Coast may be years away from getting it. But that they will get it eventually. This is an economy post so just skip it if you don't care about the price of bb in the distant future.
First, bb-inclusive is a korg thing. Even in LA, no corg offers it. Whereas the LA korgs do, and maybe 25% of girls offer it. It is 320 to 360 all-in for the hour, with 40-50 for msog. Some of the bb-special girls are literally way better than the non bb all-in girls. The reason is simply that they want to be fully booked for [I]years and years[/I]. That makes no sense for jgirls btw, who try the opposite "new face" strategy.
Since NYC is dominated by corgs, that will not change any time soon. Manhattan is perfect for corgs, it has no need for korgs. Korgs make more sense further out. So the day will come when it gets introduced, but it will come from those korgs first.
I'll illustrate one glaring difference between korg and corg pricing - hour pricing. When a jgirl comes to SD, she's working a korg and it is 300 to 320 / hr. When that exact same jgirl goes to LA a week or two later, she's working a corg and charges 500 to 600 / hr (60% to 90% more). If anything, her service is lower due to being busy - so they are definitely paying more for less. But it's a corg, which local FOBs find very convenient since it cycles girls quickly. There are other quality advantages so customers are willing to pay for the conveniences. LA korgs are inconvenient and located in a totally different region.
I was once first appointment for a jgirl and she was scared to open the door for me. She thought that since the price was dirt cheap, that her customers would be all dirty bums. At the end of her tour, she said it was the exact opposite. It turns out, korgs screen customers so well in our city that most of us are gentlemen - that is one reason why it is cheaper. The work is much safer, you can cook and vacation, take a walk. It is a very nice place. About safety, I know friends who were banned for being rough and could not see the girls I was recommending them, they were too embarrassed to say details. On the other extreme, one time a girl told me the booker said the next customer would make her feel happy. It was me. I was a bit shocked they actually said it though. This is how they weed out problem customers. Unfortunately, the corg system has limited options for screening so they will always have to be priced higher.
The hour rate corg pricing drives customers to choose the much cheaper half hour rate which is wildly different. At a SD korg it is 240 to 260, at the LA corg it is 300 (20% more). Yes, it makes no sense but this pricing difference has always worked this way. Generally most korg customers understand hr means you take a break / get a massage, and if you want 2-shot you pay 50 for msog. That matches the traditional kgirl style of service anyways.
LA corgs are more or less the same as NYC corgs on bb pricing as well. 100-200 bb, sometimes 100-200 cip. Whereas at every single korg, bb is 0 to 100 and cip is included (about 5% of girls allow no cip but they will never charge for it). Some girls are 40-50 bb. I've seen 30, 150, 200 bb but they are rare. 97% of bb is priced 0 to 100.
Moreover, the average bb special girl is better looking and more skilled than the 100 bb upcharge girls. It is a great newbie misconception otherwise. What's happening is bb special girls have long tours and can work months and years. The absolute top tier girls are all bb-special, and by top tier it is not even close. I know people who have seen those top girls 50, 100, and more times. For the mere sake of variety they might try the upcharge girls a few times. Even if the girls were all priced the same, the bb-special girls would still be way more popular. The upcharge girls rely on "new face" advantage or GFE customers, and then they leave when they are no longer welcome.
Quoted are two example bb special girls who are HYA. They are 320 and 340 all-in. There are of course girls who charge 350+100 (450) for bb, but they tour for a few weeks until business dies down. In SD there is even an A-Tier looks HYA who is 320, Allie. Allie thought she was going to tour SD for 2 weeks but we ended up keeping her 50 weeks. That is a smarter business model, but it does not work for jgirls. Jgirls have more expenses and risks and have to use the opposite pricing model.
[QUOTE=Download X;7282573][B]Jenny[/B] - Bb special HYA. Service queen in my opinion. Jenny is safest rec for 'normal' guys with a balance of looks and service. Ad photo is close and based on her, usual PS. Hair and makeup styles sometimes change when I see her. Very petite, late 20s, baby face, thin waist, nice ass, very round tits, dtf. Limited English, great attitude, other kgirls should copy her attitude. May unexpectedly squeeze 2 shots out of you.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33105-Hot-Young-Asian-Girls-in-OC&p=7255176&viewfull=1#post7255176[/URL] Jenny summary
[B]Krissy[/B] - [B]HYA[/B]. Amazing skin and feel, B cup, maybe late 20s, 5'2". Petite, not skinny but in great shape, amazing tight pussy, body over face, good service and attitude. GND cute face, opinions vary on this but most think it's fine and a bit cute. Newer, all natural, great attitude. Popular. Her pussy is Lizza-tier.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?31130-Korean-Agency-BB&p=7263538&viewfull=1#post7263538[/URL] Krissy 3rd Meta Review[/QUOTE]
Lastly, when those bb special girls like Ina or Baby Arin go to East Coast, they will switch to 100 upcharge. They're worth it. I tried my best to alert people to Ina and clearly people were booking her, but only one NYC review for her beside mine. It's okay, review culture takes time to build up it's not going to happen over night. People did review Lady Ari, Maya, and many others. They were doing their best, it will take time.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?37254-Korean-Agency-and-Independent&p=7114456&viewfull=1#post7114456[/URL] Ina and bb-inclusive stats
[QUOTE=Download X;7114456]Only 25% of girls in LA, OC, SD are all-inclusive. Another 45% are 100 BBFS. About 25% are GFE only. The remaining 5% are 50, 150, or 200. Unlike corgs in NYC (and even LA), there is no CIP charge. A girl either allows it or she doesn't. Sometimes she changes her bb policy on her next city - it is actually not the city, she just changed her mind. I won't get into it for privacy reasons. Best to just respect a girl's boundaries so we can have nice things. Treat women right and they'll come back to your city.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33078-Hot-Young-Asian-Girls&p=7253385&viewfull=1#post7253385[/URL] Bb pricing forecast
About Maya. Sometimes intel is cursed, sometimes people research too well. They find the #1 service queen in town Maya, they see her, and they find out she really is the best. Then they ask if it's all downhill from here! Here is my advice on how to stay happy:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26373-Korean-Agency-BB&p=7256227&viewfull=1#post7256227[/URL] All downhill from there
If we were to limit it to just younger HYA service queens, then let me attach a photo guide for the #1 HYA bb special girl in LA. It is not her but a close match found by someone who has seen her very often. Her service is better than almost every MILF, it is S-Tier same as Hani but she also has an S-Tier body. I wouldn't say she is gatekept because people reviewed her very long ago and have been quietly seeing her nonstop. This is the OG business model and why some kgirls can work without touring for years.
[QUOTE=PokerBrah;7282584]That is not Nana though.[/QUOTE]Hmmm. Ok, this is Rora right? All Chinese girls look the same to me.
[QUOTE=DrunkenKid;7282718]Hmmm. Ok, this is Rora right? All Chinese girls look the same to me.[/QUOTE]Yep this was Rora who was priced at 300/ hr at MK. Maybe closer to 40 yo (just guessing)? Didn't see her, the pics did not make me want to find out.
[QUOTE=Archie;7280017]Alyssa probably closer to 50 than 40 BTW.[/QUOTE]If you are referring to her age, you can't possibly mean Allyssa (with two "l"s) from DDY / SL, which woman are you referring to? Allyssa is in her early 30's, as are most of the C-girls there.
Maybe you are referring to her weight? Allyssa used to weigh around 40 kilos (88 lbs.) but may have gained some weight during her 7-month vacation in China and might be closer to 50 kilos (110 lbs.) now, I have yet to see her since her return.
[QUOTE=Archie;7281638][B]DDY/Shangrila New Management[/B]
Not sure what the shakeup was but, whatever happened, it now seems impossible to book with this agency. They used to be the most customer-friendly places and now it's terrible customer service. I honestly don't get it. Anyone else experience cold shoulder since their reorganization?[/QUOTE]I've had no problems whatsoever, perhaps because I am well-known there after a couple of dozen visits. I always start off my texts by stating my name, so they know they are not corresponding with an unknown person.
Maybe it's because they read your post referring to one of their providers being close to 50 years old, LOL.
[QUOTE=IceSold1;7278600]I'm so upset they moved Kylie to greeter, she was the only one I was seeing there. I'm hoping she will still provide once in a while.[/QUOTE]I hope so too.
Several years ago, I experienced a similar situation, the solution was to have a session with the provider-turned-greeter after the place was officially closed for the night (giving a generous tip). In Kylie's case, that might mean waiting until 12:30 am /1 am but she is worth it.
Any info on her? Tried searching here and got nothing. Feel free to pm me if necessary.
[URL]http://www.ninachanel.club/[/URL]
[QUOTE=AlmostVirgin;7282585]PPC and OF the two big JShops that I haven't visited yet.[/QUOTE]OSF should be closed. You would have been able to get in with your NYSE / RS8 credentials.
[QUOTE=SenorVac;7282509]Is there any $350 all in for 1 hr BBFS CIP / CIM / MSOG in NY?
I was able to visit LA and holy shit that was amazing. Young talent and amazing service. I remember being in NY for the first time a couple years ago and saw Etsuko, oh wow, I want to go back to either NY or LA LOL.
NY is cheaper flight wise but the offset is the prices here for mongering is crazy since usually its +200 for BBFS.[/QUOTE]Ironically, it's because the gatekeepers are telling the girls to charge more when they get it for free or for a discount. LOL.
LA is still very good, I get great hits with some of the Jgirls in the Korean shops and some Chinese shops; but NYC has been getting the worse reputation for suckers paying 200-300 CIP
[QUOTE=TheWholeFnShow;7283182]Ironically, it's because the gatekeepers are telling the girls to charge more when they get it for free or for a discount. LOL.
LA is still very good, I get great hits with some of the Jgirls in the Korean shops and some Chinese shops; but NYC has been getting the worse reputation for suckers paying 200-300 CIP[/QUOTE]As a newish monger who has only played in NYC, getting it for free is not easy (less than 5% Discounts are possible after having experimented with a variety of methods and approaches but still not high enough of a hit rate to be assumed.
Misato SE. Looks like a cutie.
[URL]https://nycsmilingeyes.com/view/20666[/URL]
[QUOTE=DrunkenKid;7283082]OSF should be closed. You would have been able to get in with your NYSE / RS8 credentials.[/QUOTE]Permanently closed? That's one less bookmark to refresh.
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7282629]Many East Coast friends would love to try bb all-in, but it doesn't exist in NYC or Nova. I will share info on why East Coast may be years away from getting it. But that they will get it eventually. This is an economy post so just skip it if you don't care about the price of bb in the distant future.
First, bb-inclusive is a korg thing. Even in LA, no corg offers it. Whereas the LA korgs do, and maybe 25% of girls offer it. It is 320 to 360 all-in for the hour, with 40-50 for msog. Some of the bb-special girls are literally way better than the non bb all-in girls. The reason is simply that they want to be fully booked for [I]years and years[/I]. That makes no sense for jgirls btw, who try the opposite "new face" strategy.
Since NYC is dominated by corgs, that will not change any time soon. Manhattan is perfect for corgs, it has no need for korgs. Korgs make more sense further out. So the day will come when it gets introduced, but it will come from those korgs first.
I'll illustrate one glaring difference between korg and corg pricing - hour pricing. When a jgirl comes to SD, she's working a korg and it is 300 to 320 / hr. When that exact same jgirl goes to LA a week or two later, she's working a corg and charges 500 to 600 / hr (60% to 90% more). If anything, her service is lower due to being busy - so they are definitely paying more for less. But it's a corg, which local FOBs find very convenient since it cycles girls quickly. There are other quality advantages so customers are willing to pay for the conveniences. LA korgs are inconvenient and located in a totally different region.
I was once first appointment for a jgirl and she was scared to open the door for me. She thought that since the price was dirt cheap, that her customers would be all dirty bums. At the end of her tour, she said it was the exact opposite. It turns out, korgs screen customers so well in our city that most of us are gentlemen - that is one reason why it is cheaper. The work is much safer, you can cook and vacation, take a walk. It is a very nice place. About safety, I know friends who were banned for being rough and could not see the girls I was recommending them, they were too embarrassed to say details. On the other extreme, one time a girl told me the booker said the next customer would make her feel happy. It was me. I was a bit shocked they actually said it though. This is how they weed out problem customers. Unfortunately, the corg system has limited options for screening so they will always have to be priced higher.[/QUOTE]I typed in "korg" in the search and here I am learning more about the business model and pricing. Excellent post Download X!
[QUOTE=AlmostVirgin;7282787]Yep this was Rora who was priced at 300/ hr at MK. Maybe closer to 40 yo (just guessing)? Didn't see her, the pics did not make me want to find out.[/QUOTE]Rora at MK / Kiki at Pink Angels. Definitely older than 40.