"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Makethescoop;2101390]
I had to share some success I had with a young lady. I'm a member of several stuff for sale facebook groups in my area. A local young hot single mom posted looking for a room mate and offering for sale some hot shoes, outfits etc. I used my alternate facebook profile to contact her and politely offer compensation for her to model some of her items for sale. [/QUOTE]See that's thinking outside the box, and will occasionally result in some real gems, especially since she's not in the mainstream SD scene, she doesn't have tons of e-mails from to wade through and figure out who is for real and who is a creeper or time waster, so you can probably keep that one going as long as you want without her flaking.

I actually prefer this to the more "assembly line" approach of SD sites -- there's some good stuff to be had straight from mainstream social media or civy dating avenues, it's just that it takes a little creative thinking and risk taking and patience. The patience is required because what works to find one girl will not necessarily work repeatedly or predictably, each situation has to be handled and optimized case by case. Problem for me is that being a seasonal SD I don't have time for anything but the assembly line method.

Since you mentioned alternative FB profile, I have to mention this in case you or someone reading has an SO and needs strict anonymity: *be careful* with FB profiles. Unless you use a completely different computer to log into each FB profile, you have to be very, very careful to manage privacy. There have been times I've been able to easily find someone's real FB profile by searching on their fake name -- either FB or Google is indexing them and associating them with each other behind the scenes as matching the same person. Keep in mind that both FB and Google make their living by tracking you, and they've got vast fleets of people who are experts in finding ways to track you even when you think they aren't. This is particularly true if you use anything Google (Chrome as a browser, Android as a phone, Chromebook as a laptop) etc.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2101400]Since you mentioned alternative FB profile, I have to mention this in case you or someone reading has an SO and needs strict anonymity: *be careful* with FB profiles. Unless you use a completely different computer to log into each FB profile, you have to be very, very careful to manage privacy. There have been times I've been able to easily find someone's real FB profile by searching on their fake name -- either FB or Google is indexing them and associating them with each other behind the scenes as matching the same person. Keep in mind that both FB and Google make their living by tracking you, and they've got vast fleets of people who are experts in finding ways to track you even when you think they aren't. This is particularly true if you use anything Google (Chrome as a browser, Android as a phone, Chromebook as a laptop) etc.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip! Will using a TOR browser help defeat this?

[QUOTE=Makethescoop;2101406]Thanks for the tip! Will using a TOR browser help defeat this?[/QUOTE]Probably in most cases yes, but it's important that whatever your strategy is for using it aligns to your purpose for using it and that you have a good grasp on both (and good habits to keep them in tact). TOR is meant for a higher level of anonymity such as dodging the NSA, and to be honest a cheating SD really has no more to fear from the likes of NSA than anyone else. I personally don't do anything illegal, period, and I assume the NSA is watching me at all times. Who cares in my case. But I don't want anyone linking me to FB in any way and I don't want to deal with avoidance tactics. Not married but have a GF I want to keep, so I simply do not maintain a real FB profile. Actually that's not the only reason but it helps a great deal. My fake FB profile (s) I use only to gather intel on others, I never post.

What you don't want in this case is simply for an SB to be able to figure out your real FB profile from your fake one, and in some ways maybe TOR is overkill for that, and at the same time a bit of diligence can give you reasonable peace of mind.

I'll a few things you can do on your computer:

1. First, if possible, have different logins on your computer for you and anybody else who uses it.

2. Whatever browser you use, set it up so it remembers NOTHING, suggests NOTHING. IE can also be told to erase the entire temporary files area upon exit.

3. Double check every now and again that all cookies and history are deleted.

4. DO NOT use a Google+ account. If you have one. Delete it.

5. Do NOT use FB as logins to other systems. Keep them separate.

6. Whenever possible, do NOT give them your phone number as extra password "security".

In other words, keep your SD logins for ANYTHING separate. It also does no harm to every now and again to de-install and re-install your browser from scratch.

GW.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2101400]

Since you mentioned alternative FB profile, I have to mention this in case you or someone reading has an SO and needs strict anonymity: *be careful* with FB profiles. Unless you use a completely different computer to log into each FB profile, you have to be very, very careful to manage privacy. There have been times I've been able to easily find someone's real FB profile by searching on their fake name -- either FB or Google is indexing them and associating them with each other behind the scenes as matching the same person. Keep in mind that both FB and Google make their living by tracking you, and they've got vast fleets of people who are experts in finding ways to track you even when you think they aren't. This is particularly true if you use anything Google (Chrome as a browser, Android as a phone, Chromebook as a laptop) etc.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=GuyWoodson;2101419]I'll a few things you can do on your computer:
[/QUOTE]All good advice, and since there's a lot of good information out there for learning about anonymization / security, I'll just leave it with the general idea that if anything seems to be providing a convenience, it should be immediately suspect. As GW said, anything that remembers you or provides you the convenience of not having to log in each time is your enemy. Also look up the google pref I D and understand what that means if you don't already, as it's a specific cookie value that you will want to know about.

Wiping your cookies and history and so forth is a good practice anyway. However, once a fake profile has been linked to a real profile, the association exists somewhere on a server that you won't be able to wipe (perhaps ever), so try to approach the goal of anonymity with the assumption that you may not get a second chance. Sounds a little tin-foil-hat I know, but those with an SO to lose, particularly married guys that could get hosed financially as well as emotionally, can benefit from being a little paranoia here.

In my civy dating travels, I occasionally found myself playing an SD role, yet paying in forms of sugar that were non-monetary. For example, sometimes I would find someone 15-20 years younger who I identified as someone who was in school or freshly out of school, aspiring to enter the same industry that I work in (and have been successful in). This can be a hugely valuable set of cards to play in your favor if you can find a struggling college student or grad who sees your industry experience as valuable and can help her find a way to get her foot in the door. College has conditioned her to seek mentors, after all. And if you don't know already, single heterosexual college professors have more opportunity for pussy than a rock star in the 80's did (they might have to dodge campus policy about student dating and so forth, and social media gossip probably makes it harder these days, but the opportunity is there and my point is that teaching a female anything gets her panties wet).

But you don't have to be a professor, just experienced in your field (and all this assumes you're in a field that you can find young females trying to break into the business. If you own a retail store that sells tobacco & accessories or exotic pets you might need to search a little harder to find college grads that are looking for your specific knowledge). But let's say for example you're a doctor or otherwise work in healthcare. Do you know it's very easy to search Facebook for females in nursing school in a given city? This of course does not mean you should send form letters to all of them offering $$ for CIM (LOL). But if you see someone who seems like the open minded type, who knows what making contact with her might turn into? (Yes a doctor or anyone with a professional reputation at stake will want to be careful about going around hitting on young girls on FB, so of course use your judgment, but also remember much stranger things have happened on FB). Also if you need to protect your identity, be careful on FB (see other recent posts about this).

Most of my past experiences of these unwitting SBs started with contact from basic dating websites (POF, match etc), but FB popularity is really widespread now days so that is just one more vehicle. A lot of girls will tell you what field they aspire to work in right in their profile, whether its a dating or SD site.

This may sound like a longshot or something that only happens once in a lifetime, but I've been able to find these "pseudo SBs" on more than one occasion and benefitted greatly for it. Just remember that your work experience is probably very attractive to someone out there, its just a matter of finding her.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2101672]In my civy dating travels, I occasionally found myself playing an SD role, yet paying in forms of sugar that were non-monetary. For example, sometimes I would find someone 15-20 years younger who I identified as someone who was in school or freshly out of school, aspiring to enter the same industry that I work in (and have been successful in). This can be a hugely valuable set of cards to play in your favor if you can find a struggling college student or grad who sees your industry experience as valuable and can help her find a way to get her foot in the door. College has conditioned her to seek mentors, after all. And if you don't know already, single heterosexual college professors have more opportunity for pussy than a rock star in the 80's did (they might have to dodge campus policy about student dating and so forth, and social media gossip probably makes it harder these days, but the opportunity is there and my point is that teaching a female anything gets her panties wet).

But you don't have to be a professor, just experienced in your field (and all this assumes you're in a field that you can find young females trying to break into the business. If you own a retail store that sells tobacco & accessories or exotic pets you might need to search a little harder to find college grads that are looking for your specific knowledge). But let's say for example you're a doctor or otherwise work in healthcare. Do you know it's very easy to search Facebook for females in nursing school in a given city? This of course does not mean you should send form letters to all of them offering $$ for CIM (LOL). But if you see someone who seems like the open minded type, who knows what making contact with her might turn into? (Yes a doctor or anyone with a professional reputation at stake will want to be careful about going around hitting on young girls on FB, so of course use your judgment, but also remember much stranger things have happened on FB). Also if you need to protect your identity, be careful on FB (see other recent posts about this).

Most of my past experiences of these unwitting SBs started with contact from basic dating websites (POF, match etc), but FB popularity is really widespread now days so that is just one more vehicle. A lot of girls will tell you what field they aspire to work in right in their profile, whether its a dating or SD site.

This may sound like a longshot or something that only happens once in a lifetime, but I've been able to find these "pseudo SBs" on more than one occasion and benefitted greatly for it. Just remember that your work experience is probably very attractive to someone out there, its just a matter of finding her.[/QUOTE]We all, including them, (SB) got something to hide. That much I've learned early on. The biggest threat to discretion is a disgruntled SB. Especially if you have an SO, or employment where such a hobby could be catastrophic. I'm new to this, but through phone numbers, emails, and stuff they casually tell me during M&G I am able to then quickly and easily obtain info on who they are. So far, the youngest two were married, one was to a truck driver and she was a SB while he was away. I found his and her facebook, even the company he was driving with and his current routes plastered on his facebook. Now I would NEVER, EVER use such knowledge unless it became absolutely necessary to protect my own discretion in this hobby. If any of these girls were to threaten to blackmail me etc, the info comes out and would be used to deter their aggression.

It actually makes for more relaxing time when each of you have mutually destructive info on each other.

Another thing I do is save all communication and texts we share. I want this as evidence in the vent she claims I was some abuser or something. I am genuinely a nice guy and have never had this sort of issue, but hell have no furry like a woman scorned. So after dates, I entice them indirectly for a summary. Usually a text telling them about the date and what a wonderful time I had etc. They usually follow suit.

And last, no one answered my question early about handling bare back sex and the potential for knocking one of these girls up. How do you assure if they tell you they are on the pill, or fixed, it's true?

I have never went bare back in the P4 P world, always safe, but this is different. And I am tested and have no STD's, never have. I know there is still some risk, but no more then taking home a girl from the club. Bare back sex is natural and the way it should be and in the SB world, it's a risk I am willing to assume with most girls I have met. However, how do you assure she won't get knocked up? You are kidding yourself if you do not think some of these girls would jump up and down singing "jackpot" if she became pregnant thinking we are millionaires.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2101735]

And last, no one answered my question early about handling bare back sex and the potential for knocking one of these girls up. How do you assure if they tell you they are on the pill, or fixed, it's true?

I have never went bare back in the P4 P world, always safe, but this is different. And I am tested and have no STD's, never have. I know there is still some risk, but no more then taking home a girl from the club. Bare back sex is natural and the way it should be and in the SB world, it's a risk I am willing to assume with most girls I have met. However, how do you assure she won't get knocked up? You are kidding yourself if you do not think some of these girls would jump up and down singing "jackpot" if she became pregnant thinking we are millionaires.[/QUOTE]If you go back a ways you will see some discussion of someone on here who faced exactly that situation. Short answer is if you're not fixed and you go au naturel, you are risking 18 years of installment payments. BB is great, but I (almost) always cover it up. Sometimes you just lose your head, like you did, but it is not a good long term policy.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2101735]We all, including them, (SB) got something to hide. That much I've learned early on. The biggest threat to discretion is a disgruntled SB. Especially if you have an SO, or employment where such a hobby could be catastrophic. I'm new to this, but through phone numbers, emails, and stuff they casually tell me during M&G I am able to then quickly and easily obtain info on who they are. So far, the youngest two were married, one was to a truck driver and she was a SB while he was away. I found his and her facebook, even the company he was driving with and his current routes plastered on his facebook. Now I would NEVER, EVER use such knowledge unless it became absolutely necessary to protect my own discretion in this hobby. If any of these girls were to threaten to blackmail me etc, the info comes out and would be used to deter their aggression.[/QUOTE]In the case of the type of "pseudo-SB" (in the sense that there's not necessarily direct payment) I'm referring to, they had nothing to hide (nor did I) beyond what we would keep hidden on a normal dating site, because neither of us were doing anything outside of the normal dating ritual. Granted at the time I did this, I was not in a relationship so I was free to date, and the same was true of them (that's why I said if you're married, be careful with Facebook and also don't expect it to be a good place to find other girls in a committed relationship). Me personally I'm a bit secretive even with the photos I'm willing to post publically on a dating site, but that's partially for professional reasons and also because I don't want some other wanker stealing my photos or just any unauthorized use of them. But I've met SBs on the SD sites that use their first name in their profile, and put enough info in their profile that I was able to find them on Facebook in a matter of seconds based solely on their profile. In a few cases I've told them they might want to anonymize their public photos a little bit and wait until they know someone better to reveal their face so clearly, and on more than one occasion they've told me they aren't doing anything wrong why should they care if someone sees them because they've got nothing to hide? It's just a difference of perspective and some of them see their search for an SD as being so far from pro sex work that its nothing shameful.

I was recently looking at one of my friend's FB photos. There was a link to one of his daughter's friends. On her FB account, she posted pictures of herself doing various things, including one set of photos where she showed herself with her SD, describing him as "her expense account" and showing off all the vacation photos from the trips they'd taken! She is about 21, he is like 50 with a creepy grin on his face in the photos. This is where all her friends and parents can see. She's bragging about it. A SD is like a status symbol to some of these women, and their own moms tell them they should try to snag one in some cases.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2101735]
It actually makes for more relaxing time when each of you have mutually destructive info on each other.

Another thing I do is save all communication and texts we share. I want this as evidence in the vent she claims I was some abuser or something. I am genuinely a nice guy and have never had this sort of issue, but hell have no furry like a woman scorned. So after dates, I entice them indirectly for a summary. Usually a text telling them about the date and what a wonderful time I had etc. They usually follow suit.

And last, no one answered my question early about handling bare back sex and the potential for knocking one of these girls up. How do you assure if they tell you they are on the pill, or fixed, it's true?

I have never went bare back in the P4 P world, always safe, but this is different. And I am tested and have no STD's, never have. I know there is still some risk, but no more then taking home a girl from the club. Bare back sex is natural and the way it should be and in the SB world, it's a risk I am willing to assume with most girls I have met. However, how do you assure she won't get knocked up? You are kidding yourself if you do not think some of these girls would jump up and down singing "jackpot" if she became pregnant thinking we are millionaires.[/QUOTE]I'm all for keeping good books on the girls, and having some defense leverage under the table out of sight but ready to go if they should ever get nasty. However I will say you don't have to be an SD to have a nasty pregnancy scare. I had a would-be SB once rake me over the coals with the pregnancy scare, and her motives had nothing to do with money since she refused to accept any cash from me. She was doing it strictly to be vengeful and to get a reaction out of me after I left the relationship. She knew I had very little money at the time -- she just wanted the power of making me squirm as payback for not getting things her way.

[quote=dirtydeeds38;2101735]and last, no one answered my question early about handling bare back sex and the potential for knocking one of these girls up. Bare back sex is natural and the way it should be and in the sb world, it's a risk i am willing to assume with most girls i have met. However, how do you assure she won't get knocked up? You are kidding yourself if you do not think some of these girls would jump up and down singing "jackpot" if she became pregnant thinking we are millionaires.[/quote]v.as.e.c.t.o.m.y. ?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2101920]v.as.e.c.t.o.m.y. ?[/QUOTE]I had a vasectomy about 3 months before I discovered my then Wife's year long affair. She pushed for it so we could be "more free" Looking back, I think it was more to do with not having any more children with any future "wife" to compete for the Child support payments I make for our 3 Daughters.

My one successful SD / SB meeting was bb and no worries about pregnancy. I have not fully resolved my long term plan for protection against stds, however wearing a condom is the best method of creating ED I know. I'm of the mind to send my Ex a thank you card.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2101920]v.as.e.c.t.o.m.y. ?[/QUOTE]Or for those of us on the budget plan, just go for the CIM, it's free and has less downtime. LOL.

Honestly the one time I had the pregnancy scare it was just because I was too lazy to pull out. I don't make that mistake anymore. As the Diceman used to say just leave them sticky broke and confused. Okay maybe just sticky and confused then. LOL.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2101982]Or for those of us on the budget plan, just go for the CIM, it's free and has less downtime. LOL.
[/QUOTE]Pulling out is almost statistically identical to using condoms in terms of pregnancy prevention. It's basically trigger happy teenagers that pulling out isn't recommended because they haven't developed the proper control yet.

STDs weigh heavier on my mind than pregnancy scares when it comes to BB. Only one SB did I ever come inside and I knew she was on the pill. Otherwise I just pull out regardless, especially with the younger girls. I just don't trust them to take pills regularly because they don't have much of a track record. But a 30 year-old with no or just one kid, then I know she's able to take birth control regularly.

I wasn't around in the 70's, but maybe some of you can enlighten me, doesn't it feel like we're harkening back to the 60/70's era of casual sex? With HIV no longer being a death sentence anymore, it definitely feels like more guys and girls are being more accepting again of casual BB sex. This seems to be backed up by statistics that say sexual risk taking decreased significantly in the 1980's and early 1990's, but recently has increased. Viral STDs is still decreasing but bacterial STDs have increased recently. It's as if we've reverted back to the 70's.

I applaud my brothers here who are able to have the discipline to put a cap on every time. I don't have the same discipline. I have ED issues with condoms, so I often partake of BB if it's on the table. Ideally I would exchange test results and everything first, but unfortunately I've learned the Sugar Bowl is a fast paced game. While you're waiting around for test results the SB could have already moved on. So it's great if both parties have test results ready to go (BTW then there's the issue of revealing your real identity), but if the girl doesn't have it, then it can often be a pain to have her get results. And if she has to make an extra effort to get tested, then you run the risk of adding a negotiation point with her demanding an increase in the allowance for testing and BB play. So initially I tried to do BB the safe and proper way, but it just became a huge hassle. So now I just do the very unscientific method of performing a visual and odor hygienic test. And with the younger girls, a 20-year old usually only has had so many boyfriends / sex partners. And I never BB a UTR or Pro.

We all have our own accepted levels of risk.

I want to get some opinions from the group on a recent discovery.

Remember I asked you guys recently if I should disclose to my CL Teacher SB if I was married? There was a slight majority of maintaining the status quo. I ended up splitting the difference. I began to describe certain things in the plural form, to basically give her a hint that I had some kind of family but still keeping it vague. She hasn't acted any differently so far, so that's good.

However while I was doing a routine check of FB profiles, hers looked mostly the same but I ran a search of "Photos of (Sugar Baby) by Friends" (BTW, Facebook with their recent changes has made Internet stalking too easy it's scary) and some new pictures came up. I found a picture with my SB in a profile picture with a guy cozy-ed up together. My SB's FB page has no pictures and no mentions of this guy (which is why I never bothered to check him) but I decided to do a deep dig through this guy's profile and I started to find more and more pictures of them together or posts referencing her. Eventually I found out they've been together for at least a year. For the first few minutes of discovering this, I was oddly jealous, LOL. But then I was pretty happy about it. She's attached so it means she's not going to do anything overly crazy / psycho and probably won't get clingy. It also explains why she's been okay with doing things discretely and explains the periods where she dropped out of communication for a bit. She was probably having a moral dilemma. But she has kept seeing me for over 5 months, almost half their relationship so I'm giving her something he isn't. Plus he lives over a hour away, so I'm not going to bump into him.

Now the question, since I now know she has a boyfriend, is it safer to tell her I'm married without messing things up? She's messing around on her man, so I can't see her having a major moral outrage that I'm cheating on my SO with her. Then again women are weird and some have issues with being perceived as "breaking up" a marriage. I doubt she's one of them though. Then again, we have a good thing going and maybe vague is good. It's just I'm not used to hiding that I'm married from Long-Term SBs so that's why I'm uncomfortable with it.

To ensure my post contains at least some useful information when you're doing a FB background check, use the various tools to search the friends of your target. It's often the friends who are the weak point in the privacy shield. Conversely, you need to keep this in mind with your personal info and you should always pay attention to the alerts when someone tags you. Even if you lockdown your own timeline / profile, if someone has tagged you in a bunch of photos then your face / name will show up in a search. I always remove tags anytime someone tries to tag me and I keep a very low almost non-existent FB presence. You don't want to give a rogue SB a direct line to your SO if they know your real name, which can happen if you're tagged in family or group photos. Facebook just makes it too easy to connect the dots.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2102195]I want to get some opinions from the group on a recent discovery.

Remember I asked you guys recently if I should disclose to my CL Teacher SB if I was married? There was a slight majority of maintaining the status quo. I ended up splitting the difference. I began to describe certain things in the plural form, to basically give her a hint that I had some kind of family but still keeping it vague. She hasn't acted any differently so far, so that's good.
[/QUOTE]Even knowing what you now know, I'd keep things the way it is. I'm sure she either knows already or has an idea, but no need to put it out there plainly. If some moral dilemma about cheating on her man caused her to go silent at times, being faced with the blunt truth that you're married may have similar results.

I think if you weigh the pros / cons of telling her, the cons will weigh heavier than the pros.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2102142]Pulling out is almost statistically identical to using condoms in terms of pregnancy prevention. It's basically trigger happy teenagers that pulling out isn't recommended because they haven't developed the proper control yet.[/QUOTE]I'm actually amazed at how effective it has proven to be in my own case. I hate condoms to the point that I am usually unable to deliver the yogurt while wearing one anyway (it's not new for me, been that way since a teen), so I often find myself in a position of wearing a condom initially (to ease any concerns she may have), and then after she starts realizing I'm never going to cum with it on, it ends up coming off, with the sex continuing BB with pull out or maybe BBBJCIM if she's up for it.

As far as STDs, I have attribute the fact that I've never had one to a number of factors, including (1) technically I'm not really a mongerer, so most of the women I bang are in a different league than high-volume girls and thus are not even close to high-risk lifestyle girls. I would never have vaginal sex unprotected with someone like a BP escort, someone I met off CL, etc. Or even a SB that I remotely suspected of being high-volume, under any circumstances. Honestly some of the one-night-stands I've had from my bar hopping days were probably a lot riskier than the socioeconomic category that my recent SBs have been in. (2) maybe I have a strong immune system (3) I'm just lucky (4) the probability of female-to-male transmission of many STDs, in a single encounter, tends to be a little inflated by the media although perhaps it should be.

Your idea of an odor test isn't a bad idea but I guess I've been lucky there too because I honestly cannot remember the last time I've smelled even remotely bad pussy, it would have to be decades ago. And, if you believe the medical community at all, this can be a factor of their diet as much as anything else.

I did a few M&G's today.

1. Got invited to a private fetish party in the hills. It was like a cheesy version of those movies you see where the so called beautiful people live and play. But it was actually a rental where some guy was shooting fetish porn and the girls from the videos were the entertainment for the party. I was immediately drawn to a 19 year old perfectly tanned white girl wearing a tiny leather mini skirt. We retired to a sofa where I began to caress her perfect legs and feet all the while admiring her smooth and unpantied vagina. After about 20 minutes and .4 lighter (this is sort of like a private strip club event) I suggested she email me for a trip to the FC at a future date.

As she never lifted her eyes from her cel except to briefly cover her lady parts with a finger when she saw my thirsty eyes locked on her, I doubt she will get back to me. She was a 9. No makeup, and a few pimples, which she knew meant nothing on that pinup body of hers.

2. By now I was ready to fuck anything. Went home and set up a M&G with a very average to below average 20 year old white girl in Hollywood. I sent her very specific instructions on what it would take to get paid. She implored me to just do the M&G first where she promptly turned me down. No upsell. I couldn't even get her to do a HJ for $.

3. Went home again and a pretty 18 year old black girl also in hollywood messages me that we should have a M&G. So I went out yet again. Met her at a nearby staples parking lot and drove to a starbucks. Turned out she was a recent immigrant that came here to go to college. Obviously middle class and educated, with the body of a diva and the face of an angel. And the sexiest voice ever. I never stare at a girls tits but in her case it was impossible not to. On the surface she was the ideal SB as far as I could tell. We discussed allowance. The usual $ per date, which would cover her rent. 8 bills for 8 days or dates. She said the mentoring and emotional / physical support was very important to her. Which is how I get most of these $ dates unless they are UTR's or inner city babes that just need cash now.

This was all on top of two guaranteed FC dates that I canceled. One was a girl that isn't going anywhere and is probably a utr on the down low. The other was from a fresh yet older girl who was more than a little upset at my flaking. She was hot but still only a booty call.

My MILF seems to be mia at the moment as she is tired of being a booty call for 3 years now. Can't really blame her. At some point she will break down but for now she is gone and mad / upset.

My CL ad got about 10 responses this week which i winnowed down to the two afore mentioned FC dates.

I almost hate to jinx this, especially with the way my luck has been going in the sugar world the past couple months, but I have to share this. Since Friday, I've been texting with a POT from SA. She's a first-timer, early 20's, blonde hair, blue eyes, 5'2", athletic figure. She is totally on board with a physical arrangement and in texts she is providing a true GFE. We have a lunch M&G scheduled for Monday with a very likely date to the FC immediately after. I was just about to give up on sugar dating for the summer when she came along. I hope tomorrow goes well, I will provide an update following our date.

24 year old I had texted a week or so ago for hours and then sort of dropped as she described herself as very picky and the initial texting felt like a job interview, so I let it go. Last night she starts texting me again, so I play along.

Initially due to herself description as being "picky" I figured she might be a little reserved in the sexual department, so when the texts led to sex-play I was "nice" about it. Then she sends me pictures and they eventually lead to full on nudes including one of her playing with herself. This girl is really fucking hot! So when I start asking what she likes, she comes back with how she likes to be totally dominated, playing like a sex slave, face fucked, tied up, fucked in the ass, cum on her face, choked (a little) etc, etc, etc. She said she has "light rape role playing fantasies" I was totally caught off guard with this from her and did not see it coming. But of the 6 or so girls I've went with on SA, 4 were into this sort of thing. Now, I'm not fulfilling any "rape" fantasies, but have no issues with being dominate. But I'm a little baffled of what these girls are into these days.

In the civi world I ran into these types of girls every so often, but I would say it more on the rare side. But girls these days are so sexual and used to hooking up, etc. Another eye opener to the way things have changed.

I got some years of catching up to do brothers! Wow, did I miss the boat! Haha.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2102848]I did a few M&G's today.

1. Got invited to a private fetish party in the hills. It was like a cheesy version of those movies you see where the so called beautiful people live and play. But it was actually a rental where some guy was shooting fetish porn and the girls from the videos were the entertainment for the party. I was immediately drawn to a 19 year old perfectly tanned white girl wearing a tiny leather mini skirt. We retired to a sofa where I began to caress her perfect legs and feet all the while admiring her smooth and unpantied vagina. After about 20 minutes and .4 lighter (this is sort of like a private strip club event) I suggested she email me for a trip to the FC at a future date.

As she never lifted her eyes from her cel except to briefly cover her lady parts with a finger when she saw my thirsty eyes locked on her, I doubt she will get back to me. She was a 9. No makeup, and a few pimples, which she knew meant nothing on that pinup body of hers.

2. By now I was ready to fuck anything. Went home and set up a M&G with a very average to below average 20 year old white girl in Hollywood. I sent her very specific instructions on what it would take to get paid. She implored me to just do the M&G first where she promptly turned me down. No upsell. I couldn't even get her to do a HJ for $.

3. Went home again and a pretty 18 year old black girl also in hollywood messages me that we should have a M&G. So I went out yet again. Met her at a nearby staples parking lot and drove to a starbucks. Turned out she was a recent immigrant that came here to go to college. Obviously middle class and educated, with the body of a diva and the face of an angel. And the sexiest voice ever. I never stare at a girls tits but in her case it was impossible not to. On the surface she was the ideal SB as far as I could tell. We discussed allowance. The usual $ per date, which would cover her rent. 8 bills for 8 days or dates. She said the mentoring and emotional / physical support was very important to her. Which is how I get most of these $ dates unless they are UTR's or inner city babes that just need cash now.

This was all on top of two guaranteed FC dates that I canceled. One was a girl that isn't going anywhere and is probably a utr on the down low. The other was from a fresh yet older girl who was more than a little upset at my flaking. She was hot but still only a booty call.

My MILF seems to be mia at the moment as she is tired of being a booty call for 3 years now. Can't really blame her. At some point she will break down but for now she is gone and mad / upset.

My CL ad got about 10 responses this week which i winnowed down to the two afore mentioned FC dates.[/QUOTE]I know we all develop our own styles, but I have to say, you really should open up a business offering mentorship programs on how to handle the SB world. You got everything down to a "T" bro! Even how to shake off a rejection from time to time we all will face. When I get rejected, it sets me back for a bit, you just pick up and keep going where you left off. I need to get some thicker skin in this game and do the same. One thing I'm learning from you here, is it really is a numbers game. The bigger net you you throw out, the more chances for greatness you get. I'm still amazed and in awe over how many girls are into this "hobby." It really blows my mind!

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2103089]24 year old I had texted a week or so ago for hours and then sort of dropped as she described herself as very picky and the initial texting felt like a job interview, so I let it go. Last night she starts texting me again, so I play along.

Initially due to herself description as being "picky" I figured she might be a little reserved in the sexual department, so when the texts led to sex-play I was "nice" about it. Then she sends me pictures and they eventually lead to full on nudes including one of her playing with herself. This girl is really fucking hot! So when I start asking what she likes, she comes back with how she likes to be totally dominated, playing like a sex slave, face fucked, tied up, fucked in the ass, cum on her face, choked (a little) etc, etc, etc. She said she has "light rape role playing fantasies" I was totally caught off guard with this from her and did not see it coming. But of the 6 or so girls I've went with on SA, 4 were into this sort of thing. Now, I'm not fulfilling any "rape" fantasies, but have no issues with being dominate. But I'm a little baffled of what these girls are into these days.

In the civi world I ran into these types of girls every so often, but I would say it more on the rare side. But girls these days are so sexual and used to hooking up, etc. Another eye opener to the way things have changed.

I got some years of catching up to do brothers! Wow, did I miss the boat! Haha.[/QUOTE]In general the type of girls attracted to much older guys are very submissive if they are a true NP. With the internet by the time they are 18 they have seen it all. A lot more than we ever did. And now they are ready to try it all to the best of their ability, which is lacking in the younger ones. I would be leery of any girl sending unsolicited naked pics. Or talking super dirty. I never met an true NP like that. Sex has always been and always will be a touchy subject. The ability for a young girl to have an honest and possibly embarrassing discussion with a guy their own age would be difficult. These girls want to be sexually mentored. All the regular girls have is Cosmo or maybe a slutty GF (thier words). But neither of those can compare to the hands on experience of being with a considerate older guy. A real gentleman will always get what they want in the end from a girl they have real chemistry with. When they say "Wow, I've never done that before", you know you are on the right track. Do I ever push girls to do stuff they don't want to? Sometimes, but not often. I'm more into the long game unless its a UTR girl. Then its fast and furious.

I saw this in a hot 19 year old girls profile. "I am honestly seeking a mentor. I want to be explored in ways I can't imagine."

I sent my intro letter and got this back. "Clearly you are an experienced man and know exactly it is that you want, I like that. You're completely up front. If the offer still stands I am completely open for this arrangement and setting up a date to meet with you and actually see if there is a connection."

This is a true NP. Intelligent, good spelling (LOL). A HCB home for the summer. While I admit this is a slam dunk example, the point is made. I guess some of the first things I want to know from any girl is her NP status (or is she utr) and how much experience she has in the FC. Her willingness to be sexual on the first date. Her opinion of me, her bedroom skills, her past experience on the SD site. Always act casual but interested. Never be offended or unsure of yourself on the outside. I always say you can't connect with everyone, so it's really no big deal if you don't. But the only way to get started is to just put yourself out there, a lot. Of course the real story with any girl will never totally come out until after the first FC date.

What we do can never be understood by guys that look at any girl who takes cash from a guy as a pro. They just have no clue whats in these girls heads.

I saw my jamaican princess today. It was our third date. The pressure is rising on this one. After being teased all day yesterday I needed a sure thing. No hanging out yet, and too bad because I was horny again 3 hours later.

So far all we have is awesome chemistry. I actually wouldn't mind stepping it up a little. But she claims to be in a relationship and wants to stay in control for now. So I left after about 75 minutes of fun. Can't wait to see her again. Her tight spinner body is amazing (if you like them small). Not bragging, just stating a fact.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2102195]I want to get some opinions from the group on a recent discovery.

Remember I asked you guys recently if I should disclose to my CL Teacher SB if I was married? There was a slight majority of maintaining the status quo. I ended up splitting the difference. I began to describe certain things in the plural form, to basically give her a hint that I had some kind of family but still keeping it vague. She hasn't acted any differently so far, so that's good.

However while I was doing a routine check of FB profiles, hers looked mostly the same but I ran a search of "Photos of (Sugar Baby) by Friends" (BTW, Facebook with their recent changes has made Internet stalking too easy it's scary) and some new pictures came up. I found a picture with my SB in a profile picture with a guy cozy-ed up together. My SB's FB page has no pictures and no mentions of this guy (which is why I never bothered to check him) but I decided to do a deep dig through this guy's profile and I started to find more and more pictures of them together or posts referencing her. Eventually I found out they've been together for at least a year. For the first few minutes of discovering this, I was oddly jealous, LOL. But then I was pretty happy about it. She's attached so it means she's not going to do anything overly crazy / psycho and probably won't get clingy. It also explains why she's been okay with doing things discretely and explains the periods where she dropped out of communication for a bit. She was probably having a moral dilemma. But she has kept seeing me for over 5 months, almost half their relationship so I'm giving her something he isn't. Plus he lives over a hour away, so I'm not going to bump into him.

Now the question, since I now know she has a boyfriend, is it safer to tell her I'm married without messing things up? She's messing around on her man, so I can't see her having a major moral outrage that I'm cheating on my SO with her. Then again women are weird and some have issues with being perceived as "breaking up" a marriage. I doubt she's one of them though. Then again, we have a good thing going and maybe vague is good. It's just I'm not used to hiding that I'm married from Long-Term SBs so that's why I'm uncomfortable with it.

To ensure my post contains at least some useful information when you're doing a FB background check, use the various tools to search the friends of your target. It's often the friends who are the weak point in the privacy shield. Conversely, you need to keep this in mind with your personal info and you should always pay attention to the alerts when someone tags you. Even if you lockdown your own timeline / profile, if someone has tagged you in a bunch of photos then your face / name will show up in a search. I always remove tags anytime someone tries to tag me and I keep a very low almost non-existent FB presence. You don't want to give a rogue SB a direct line to your SO if they know your real name, which can happen if you're tagged in family or group photos. Facebook just makes it too easy to connect the dots.[/QUOTE]I should not mention that you are married. The least she knows, the better.

I don't have the time to meet the numbers of POTs that some of you guys do, but I had a fine M&G with a young beauty over the weekend and an hoping that it will amount to something soon. As an older guy who is not so remarkable in appearance, it is tough for me to meet women that I find interesting and attractive. I'm a gentleman and considerate and generous but for so many girls that is not enough. Vanilla dating has long since been abandoned for the sugar world and I have had much better success here. Anyway, my M&G found me with a pretty 29 year old for a late meal at a popular local place. Unlike some of our members here I usually don't try to get to the FC on the first meeting. I'm a bit old-fashioned I suppose and I figure if the girl likes me she will be more open to that on the second or third date. That's just my method and is a comfort zone for me. Also I don't have the ability to randomly "disappear" from home overnight. I figure here in the South, we take things a bit slower anyway. For guys like Hollywood in the big urban areas, it's a different and faster pace. Anyway me and my young lady had an enjoyable evening and she wanted to get together soon so we made plans for the coming week. I slipped her a fifty and her eyes lit up, so that gives me an idea of what to provide in the future. I put this out here to show that not all of us can do the multiple M&G's like some of the guys. I envy their skill and luck but in my case it may take several weeks to get one POT on the line. The sugar bench is thin out there right now in my area, very few new ads and by the time you weed out those who are inactive, there's not much to go on. I'll update my report later..hoping she doesn't flake on me.

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;2103745]I don't have the time to meet the numbers of POTs that some of you guys do, but I had a fine M&G with a young beauty over the weekend and an hoping that it will amount to something soon. As an older guy who is not so remarkable in appearance, it is tough for me to meet women that I find interesting and attractive. I'm a gentleman and considerate and generous but for so many girls that is not enough. Vanilla dating has long since been abandoned for the sugar world and I have had much better success here. Anyway, my M&G found me with a pretty 29 year old for a late meal at a popular local place. Unlike some of our members here I usually don't try to get to the FC on the first meeting. I'm a bit old-fashioned I suppose and I figure if the girl likes me she will be more open to that on the second or third date. That's just my method and is a comfort zone for me. Also I don't have the ability to randomly "disappear" from home overnight. I figure here in the South, we take things a bit slower anyway. For guys like Hollywood in the big urban areas, it's a different and faster pace. Anyway me and my young lady had an enjoyable evening and she wanted to get together soon so we made plans for the coming week. I slipped her a fifty and her eyes lit up, so that gives me an idea of what to provide in the future. I put this out here to show that not all of us can do the multiple M&G's like some of the guys. I envy their skill and luck but in my case it may take several weeks to get one POT on the line. The sugar bench is thin out there right now in my area, very few new ads and by the time you weed out those who are inactive, there's not much to go on. I'll update my report later..hoping she doesn't flake on me.[/QUOTE]Best of luck to you. A thin sugar bench means your game needs to be more refined to land the few POTs out there against the other SDs.

I've always been reluctant to slip a little sugar after a M&G but always have some extra on me just in case I feel it's appropriate. With the single moms, I've offered to cover babysitting cost hoping the thought would earn me some extra points. I guess in your situation, the .5 is a small cost to get your foot in the door with the few POTs out there. Is that something you do regularly, or just the select few that seem worth the extra effort?

I had 3 M&Gs scheduled for this past weekend. On Saturday there was an early 20's single mom that flaked. Communication stopped about 2 hours before the meet and I figured it was a no-go with her. She hasn't replied back since, but I've moved on. There was another early 20's college girl that I had scheduled for 2 hours after the flake since they were a short drive from each other. I moved up our time and met her for a drink. Gas is expensive, so if I'm driving out more than 30 minutes for a M&G, it makes sense to cross off more than one POT in a single trip. Things went well and we're planning on another meet next weekend. She's ready for the FC and has no holdups regarding sex so I've got some high hopes for a good time with this one. On Sunday I met with an 18 year old POT. I had to check I'd on her but she only had her HS I'd which didn't help the situation. Her older sister suggested a SD over a minimum wage job for the summer before going off to school. I've heard of "friends" and this is the first time I'm hearing a sister recommending the site. She was sweet and a bit shy, so I was on my best behavior to keep things friendly and pg-13. Her profile seems abandoned and I'm thinking the rush of messages was too much for her. Goes to show that it's best to get into the inbox early. Luckily I'm still in contact with her and I'm trying to arrange another meet sometime this week. While I don't get too attached to any of the POTs since there's always more around the corner, I'll put in a little time with this one and see where it goes.

Hope everyone else is having a great holiday weekend.

Update on my M&G today with my blonde / blue first-timer:

For a while I thought it wasn't going to happen. She expressed that she was nervous and that she wouldn't meet my standards because she is inexperienced sexually. But we talked and calmed her concerns. We met for lunch, it went great and then we checked ourselves into a hotel. I was going to take things slow with her because I knew she was nervous. But after a few minutes of cuddling, she took the lead and made it clear that she didn't want to take things slow. This little cutie is the most eager to please SB I've ever had. The date ended shorter than originally planned because of some health-related issues with her, but it was clear she felt really bad for ending it before we had planned. I gave her a few $ for a few hours, as I like her very much. She has the potential to be the best SB I've had overall.

It's funny that just as I was about to give up on a search for a SB until the end of summer, this HCB dropped in my lap. Let that be a lesson to the brothers who look for a quality SB but have issues finding one due to location or whatever: Be patient, you never know when one will show up.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2104175]
It's funny that just as I was about to give up on a search for a SB until the end of summer, this HCB dropped in my lap. Let that be a lesson to the brothers who look for a quality SB but have issues finding one due to location or whatever: Be patient, you never know when one will show up.[/QUOTE]Wouldn't it be better to find a HCB right about now when school's out for summer?

More free time and a need for summer fun spending cash. Someone's got to pay for their new bikinis.

[QUOTE=Dolato;2104195]Wouldn't it be better to find a HCB right about now when school's out for summer?

More free time and a need for summer fun spending cash. Someone's got to pay for their new bikinis.[/QUOTE]Only thing is some of them go home for the summer and might not be feeling as daring with mom and dad around, and in their home towns, or they are traveling with their family etc.

[QUOTE=Dolato;2104195]Wouldn't it be better to find a HCB right about now when school's out for summer?[/QUOTE]I've been searching on SA for nearly two months now and I had been worn down by the lack of quality POTs in this area. And my area is not within any major cities, so the new girls who join SA within my desired range is at a trickle. In addition, CL had recently gotten wise to the ads I had been posting looking for SBs and really started to crack down on them in this and surrounding areas. I can post ads that are vague and such, but the responses to those are few, far between, and disappointing compared to the ads I had been posting before. So I felt like I needed to just take a break for the summer and try to catch girls when they are going back to school. But my new SB came in at just the right time.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2104175]Update on my M&G today with my blonde / blue first-timer:

For a while I thought it wasn't going to happen. She expressed that she was nervous and that she wouldn't meet my standards because she is inexperienced sexually. But we talked and calmed her concerns. We met for lunch, it went great and then we checked ourselves into a hotel. I was going to take things slow with her because I knew she was nervous. But after a few minutes of cuddling, she took the lead and made it clear that she didn't want to take things slow. This little cutie is the most eager to please SB I've ever had. The date ended shorter than originally planned because of some health-related issues with her, but it was clear she felt really bad for ending it before we had planned. I gave her a few $ for a few hours, as I like her very much. She has the potential to be the best SB I've had overall.

It's funny that just as I was about to give up on a search for a SB until the end of summer, this HCB dropped in my lap. Let that be a lesson to the brothers who look for a quality SB but have issues finding one due to location or whatever: Be patient, you never know when one will show up.[/QUOTE]Actually you never do. It's totally random. I stick to my looks and age demographic. But after that it's all a crap shoot till you get to the FC. Then you can start to see if there is a chance for something more. I guess if things are a bit sparse in your area you feel the need to lock a girl in. Makes perfect sense. Because time is money.

In L.A. its a little different. I feel more of a need to let them know that there is competition out there. I dont want them getting over confident or complacent.

Happy Holidays men. Thanks to all you Vets out there who helped keep the peace.

Bare Back: Is the only way I roll. I am old and condoms are guaranteed tumescence inhibitors. I am lucky to last a long time and if I am covered I will wear my girl's pussy flat out. I'll never forget a Pro I saw some years back. She was highly reviewed and a 10 in anyones' book. I covered up and after 1/2 hour (of my hour) she just got up and asked (I kid you not) "What do you think I am, a fucking machine? " I said "YEP " She reluctantly gave me some money back and I left early I also wrote her a bad review on TER but she had so many great ones I'm sure it didn't hurt her business. Most guys probably popped after 5 minutes. Not me brothers.

STDs: well, that is a risk in our hobby. I agree not to go bare with a Pro but these slutty amateurs are screwing a lot of dudes casually. Gonorrhea and chlamydia are pretty common. HIV is rare unless you are dealing with an IV druggie -needle sharer or a PRO.

FaceBook: I don't have one period. I have an unfleshed out dummy so I can look at other girls but my name will never show up there.

GF with an SO: Sounds like that is a good thing. Don't tell her you are married and let her feel guilty "cheating" on you. She will be more appreciative and think she is getting away with something.

Pots Galore!: All of a sudden girls are falling out of trees. Unfortunately I don't have the budget to service them all. Damn! I wish I were rich again.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2102195]Boyfriends.

I want to get some opinions from the group on a recent discovery.

Remember I asked you guys recently if I should disclose to my CL Teacher SB if I was married? There was a slight majority of maintaining the status quo. I ended up splitting the difference. I began to describe certain things in the plural form, to basically give her a hint that I had some kind of family but still keeping it vague. She hasn't acted any differently so far, so that's good.

However while I was doing a routine check of FB profiles, hers looked mostly the same but I ran a search of "Photos of (Sugar Baby) by Friends" (BTW, Facebook with their recent changes has made Internet stalking too easy it's scary) and some new pictures came up. I found a picture with my SB in a profile picture with a guy cozy-ed up together. My SB's FB page has no pictures and no mentions of this guy (which is why I never bothered to check him) but I decided to do a deep dig through this guy's profile and I started to find more and more pictures of them together or posts referencing her. Eventually I found out they've been together for at least a year. For the first few minutes of discovering this, I was oddly jealous, LOL. But then I was pretty happy about it. She's attached so it means she's not going to do anything overly crazy / psycho and probably won't get clingy. It also explains why she's been okay with doing things discretely and explains the periods where she dropped out of communication for a bit. She was probably having a moral dilemma. But she has kept seeing me for over 5 months, almost half their relationship so I'm giving her something he isn't. Plus he lives over a hour away, so I'm not going to bump into him.

Now the question, since I now know she has a boyfriend, is it safer to tell her I'm married without messing things up? She's messing around on her man, so I can't see her having a major moral outrage that I'm cheating on my SO with her. Then again women are weird and some have issues with being perceived as "breaking up" a marriage. I doubt she's one of them though. Then again, we have a good thing going and maybe vague is good. It's just I'm not used to hiding that I'm married from Long-Term SBs so that's why I'm uncomfortable with it.

To ensure my post contains at least some useful information when you're doing a FB background check, use the various tools to search the friends of your target. It's often the friends who are the weak point in the privacy shield. Conversely, you need to keep this in mind with your personal info and you should always pay attention to the alerts when someone tags you. Even if you lockdown your own timeline / profile, if someone has tagged you in a bunch of photos then your face / name will show up in a search. I always remove tags anytime someone tries to tag me and I keep a very low almost non-existent FB presence. You don't want to give a rogue SB a direct line to your SO if they know your real name, which can happen if you're tagged in family or group photos. Facebook just makes it too easy to connect the dots.[/QUOTE]John, I don't think you can make any assumption based on a girl's FB profile you see in 2014. Many of those profiles are not kept up to date. I know two escorts with civie FB profiles today the same as in 2011. You could be looking at a very old listing of your girl. She might keep a guy-long-gone's picture on it for reasons of her own. One reason could be to throw people off.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2104252]Bare Back: Is the only way I roll. I am old and condoms are guaranteed tumescence inhibitors.[/QUOTE]This is me, but I'm not sure it's an age thing, I've been like this since I was a teen. Sure there have been times when I was able to cum with one on, but it takes a sort of intentional focus to do so. When I was really young there was usually no alcohol involved (at least until upper teens), which might have made it a little easier, but it was always still a problem. If the girl is hot enough (and she of course is or I wouldn't be screwing her in the first place) I can always enhance the situation by gawking at her body or upping the dirty talk which can help, but to me if I have to push myself to cum it kind of defeats the purpose of sex.

It's not even just the physical sensation loss of a condom that bothers me. Something about putting latex between me and the girl just makes it less real, it's like virtual reality instead of reality. LOL.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2104326]

Something about putting latex between me and the girl just makes it less real, it's like virtual reality instead of reality. LOL.[/QUOTE]I agree with these sentiments exactly. The last time I tried a condom with my then Wife, I literally felt like I was in another room rather than inside my otherwise tight spouse. I'm not goiing to get lost in that room again.

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2104300]John, I don't think you can make any assumption based on a girl's FB profile you see in 2014. Many of those profiles are not kept up to date. I know two escorts with civie FB profiles today the same as in 2011. You could be looking at a very old listing of your girl. She might keep a guy-long-gone's picture on it for reasons of her own. One reason could be to throw people off.[/QUOTE]True, but in my situation I was looking at the boyfriend's profile and he updated with pictures of my SB just a couple of weeks ago. Also last month she told she was going on vacation with friends at a particular destination. The boyfriend had pictures with her at this destination, so I know it was fresh pics. And I now know when she says she's hanging out with out of town friends, she actually means her boyfriend, LOL.

Anyway, I'm going to follow the advice here and keep the status quo. She and I talk a lot and about a lot of things in her life, but she never brought up that she had a boyfriend and she doesn't mention guy friends to me, only female friends. This tells me she wants to maintain a certain illusion / fantasy with me, which is probably important for her to maintain our type of relationship. I've had other SBs easily tell me they had SOs, so if she was comfortable with it, she would probably tell me or give hints.

As for going the slow-route or playing the numbers game, I found for me maintaining 2-3 SBs works best for me and my situation. I usually aim for one primary SB, which is usually my quality / long term SB. Then I'll have 1-2 secondary SBs. They may be more of a booty call type SBs or girls who I don't have a strong connection with but are still good for a fun reliable sex romp when needed. When I just have one primary and no secondary SBs I found I get way too attached and go through more of an emotional roller-coaster because all my eggs are in one basket. But the secondary SBs help me relax with my primary and not get so bummed out if my primary goes out of contact or becomes flaky for a period. Still the challenge has been especially last year was not to get too many secondaries and not to spend too much money on them because then I end up too broke to keep my primary happy. Yes I do like variety but usually one quality SBs is equal to 5-6 mediocre SBs in terms of overall satisfaction. So my 2014 goal has been to be able to hold on to the quality SBs for a decent length before it's time to move on. I'm doing good so far, my CL Teacher SB who I consider a quality SB we've been together for 6 months now. I'm not breaking the bank with her but I also haven't been going cheap either and it's been paying off.

Bareback and Condoms. I'm middle-aged and both the loss of sensation and the psychological aspect of having a piece of latex on my wang usually just kills it for me as well. I blame my first couple of girlfriends because I never used condoms when I was younger because I was in committed relationships and not really in the party scene. And then I got married. So I've never gotten a good comfort level with condoms where I used them on a regular basis. I only started using condoms when I began to see escorts many years after I was married. And even then I was only seeing an escort maybe once every few months. So my primary experience with condoms has been with escorts, and escort sex is so mechanical that my mind now associates condoms with that mechanical escort sex where they try to slap on the condom before you're even fully hard. My experience with escorts was so uneven and usually negative. I'm pretty sure that's why when I try to use a condom with a SB it's almost always a total fail because my mind just flashes back to being with a cold distant escort with the clock ticking. Whereas bareback has allowed me to actually enjoy sex again because it gets me back in the mindset when the girl actually enjoyed sex and wanted to see me pleasured. It was like having real sex again. That's why despite the STD risks, I opt to have bareback sex with SBs who aren't UTRs or serial SBs.

Had a second date with the SB I met and mentioned here a few days ago. It likely will be the last..We met for a drink at hotel and went back to the room. Got the feeling she was subtly trying to avoid sex as she kept saying she was tired and then hungry. We started kissing and she got up and pulled me into the bedroom. I started taking off her clothing and noticed a 'not so fresh" odor enter the air. Not the infection type, but rather, "I haven't showered all day" thing going on. Rather a turnoff as this was the girl who asked for $ last time and I gave her $400.

She pulled me on top and went right into missionary. No foreplay, no oral, just straight fucking. Now this was the girl I asked about BC last time. I really have a gut feeling this one is out to get knocked up. Something just off about her. She is super sweet, but I think she is role playing. I stopped and brought it up again and she seemed bugged and flopped her arms down and said, "no I can't get pregnant" I didn; t care if she was bugged, so I asked her what the name of the pill she was on and she began stuttering and said, "who knows the name of their BC medication" followed by more reassurance she did not want kids, bla, bla, bla. As we were fucking and I started to cum, she grabbed onto me and said, "cum inside me" I pulled out and shot outside on her anyway.

So to her credit, I did google BC pill types and there are like 100 different names, so maybe she really did not recall. She is a country girl from SC and this is not something she probably worries about all day.

The other girl who is 24 from Philly who has been texting and calling me is the real deal. 100%. We exchange nudes all day and deep, downright amazing dirty talk over the phone. She is a total sex freak, but only with one guy at a time. She does not want money, she wants a man to totally dominate her, tie her up, choke her etc, etc. And she is genuine about this. She sends me family photos, all genuine real contact info, where she works, with who, etc. She wants a relationship, but only with a man who will totally take control, dominate in the bedroom and treat her as an equal outside. She went on the SD4 M site to find this as she put it, 99.99% of men who are very dominating are unfortunately assholes outside the bedroom. (her words and experience, not mine) so she setout to try and find and man who is both nice, sincere, but takes control sexually. Can't blame her, she is a young woman who knows what she wants and goes and gets it. I admire that.

I meet with her tomorrow and will report back. I best eat my Wheaties for this one. She wants to be fucked for hours, tied up, held down, face fucked, choked, spanked, cock slapped, etc, Not stuff, I've really ever done before, but I am a dominating dude in the bedroom, so I shall play my part. Oh and she is a solid 8 in looks with her body, but has the face of a model. 24, no kids, tight, blonde, super duper bright pink little pussy. Who would've thought? Lucky me. No payment required either. She actually wants to buy me presents. Hahaha.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2104466]Had a second date with the SB I met and mentioned here a few days ago. It likely will be the last..We met for a drink at hotel and went back to the room. Got the feeling she was subtly trying to avoid sex as she kept saying she was tired and then hungry. We started kissing and she got up and pulled me into the bedroom. I started taking off her clothing and noticed a 'not so fresh" odor enter the air. Not the infection type, but rather, "I haven't showered all day" thing going on. Rather a turnoff as this was the girl who asked for $ last time and I gave her $400.

She pulled me on top and went right into missionary. No foreplay, no oral, just straight fucking. Now this was the girl I asked about BC last time. I really have a gut feeling this one is out to get knocked up. Something just off about her. She is super sweet, but I think she is role playing. I stopped and brought it up again and she seemed bugged and flopped her arms down and said, "no I can't get pregnant" I didn; t care if she was bugged, so I asked her what the name of the pill she was on and she began stuttering and said, "who knows the name of their BC medication" followed by more reassurance she did not want kids, bla, bla, bla. As we were fucking and I started to cum, she grabbed onto me and said, "cum inside me" I pulled out and shot outside on her anyway.

So to her credit, I did google BC pill types and there are like 100 different names, so maybe she really did not recall. She is a country girl from SC and this is not something she probably worries about all day.

The other girl who is 24 from Philly who has been texting and calling me is the real deal. 100%. We exchange nudes all day and deep, downright amazing dirty talk over the phone. She is a total sex freak, but only with one guy at a time. She does not want money, she wants a man to totally dominate her, tie her up, choke her etc, etc. And she is genuine about this. She sends me family photos, all genuine real contact info, where she works, with who, etc. She wants a relationship, but only with a man who will totally take control, dominate in the bedroom and treat her as an equal outside. She went on the SD4 M site to find this as she put it, 99.99% of men who are very dominating are unfortunately assholes outside the bedroom. (her words and experience, not mine) so she setout to try and find and man who is both nice, sincere, but takes control sexually. Can't blame her, she is a young woman who knows what she wants and goes and gets it. I admire that.

I meet with her tomorrow and will report back. I best eat my Wheaties for this one. She wants to be fucked for hours, tied up, held down, face fucked, choked, spanked, cock slapped, etc, Not stuff, I've really ever done before, but I am a dominating dude in the bedroom, so I shall play my part. Oh and she is a solid 8 in looks with her body, but has the face of a model. 24, no kids, tight, blonde, super duper bright pink little pussy. Who would've thought? Lucky me. No payment required either. She actually wants to buy me presents. Hahaha.[/QUOTE]I like girl #2. What she wants is a Loving Dom... One of my my favorite roles. I never met a super sub chic that was as hot as you say, and no sugar. Can't wait to read the next report.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2104405]T
As for going the slow-route or playing the numbers game, I found for me maintaining 2-3 SBs works best for me and my situation.

I usually aim for one primary SB, which is usually my quality / long term SB. Then I'll have 1-2 secondary SBs. They may be more of a booty call type SBs or girls who I don't have a strong connection with but are still good for a fun reliable sex romp when needed.

Bareback and Condoms. So my primary experience with condoms has been with escorts, and escort sex is so mechanical that my mind now associates condoms with that mechanical escort sex where they try to slap on the condom before you're even fully hard.[/QUOTE]Backup Plan is mandatory! Have at least 2 if not 3 SBs in the rotation. My one and only went missing for 1 month and I hustled back on SA and now have 2 more sure thing BCs on backup. But for 1 month I went without.

Bareback: I was vigorously banging a super hot newbie escort from a service that sent untested 18 to 26 yr old talent to my area weekly. She was tight and pumping a mile a minute (still liked sex she was so new) . All of a sudden I felt the condom give and I can't describe how good it felt. You all know what I mean. I blasted right away into her. At that point I realized that condoms were not for me.

One strategy if you want to go bareback but the SB doesn't is as follows: Open the condom pack with a razor blade carefully, slip the condom out, and slit the tip of the reservoir a little bit. When you go to put the condom on make a big production of whipping out the pack and tearing it open, and sliding the condom on without pushing through the tip. When you thrust into her the tip will give and Voila' , bareback it is. If you are concerned about semen spill or birth control, pull out when you are cumming, whip the cap off and deposit semen where ever you like.

If you are concerned about the selfish nature of that activity, then put the condom on and don't ***** about it.

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If you are concerned about the selfish nature of that activity, then put the condom on and don't ***** about it.[/QUOTE]Or do what I do and just don't bang pros... LOL.

I wouldn't for a moment tell anyone else how to conduct their phallic activities any more than I would want them to tell me how conduct mine. I personally would not do something as deceitful as that simply because:

(a) I'm a believer in karma, what goes around comes around. Any chick I did that on would probably be the one that got pregnant with and ended up getting a monthly check for the next 18 years.

(b) Any girl who is pro or close enough to pro that I would need a condom for, then I should be wearing a condom for my own protection more than for hers, thus I don't want bareback (in fact I don't want to bang a pro at all, they can blow me and I mean that in the literal, not figurative way).

(c) Out of countless women I've banged, I can only recall one that both asked for a condom and held firm on her policy of no condom = no penetration that equated to no orgasm for me. That was a one night stand civy pick up in a nightclub that took me back to her condo where there were pictures of her husband right next to the couch were were on. I performed DATY on her and we had both been drinking so much that I honestly don't remember pressing her for a reciprocal BJ to completion, which I normally would expect (and have always received), I just remember falling asleep on her couch. Except for her, all of the rest of them basically find out that if they tell me no condom=no penetration after I ate them, they are going to blow me and take the load in the mouth, so I'm okay either way.

Ok, so we all know many, if not most of these girls are "dating" us, doing the friends with benefits arrangements etc, etc cause they need the money. That's a given. But Hollywood's reference a while back to the many reasons these girls get into this was spot on. They can and do vary. I'm working one right now who is not in it for the money, rather she wants a mature experienced man who is kind, but extremely dominate sexually. Some are indeed looking for a "daddy" role.

With all that said, how many, or what percentage of the girls you have seen are truly into the sex. Enjoy the sex, etc. Most of us here have to be at least late 30's if not beyond our 40's-60's and have a little experience. We know when women are being polite and faking things and we know when she is genuinely into the deed.

So far with my limited experience, all the woman have been into the sex. This last girl was going through the motions the other night, I could tell, but the first date, she was very much into it.

I don't care for sex with any woman who is just going through the motions to get her $. And I don't care how hard she tries, no woman can fool me. I learned long ago, there are things women do when they are into sex that cannot be mimicked. And faking an orgasm is clear as day to me.

So anyhow, I'm curious if most you'alls SB have been truly into the sex, or just playing along?