The Woodshed

Well all I got to say is you guys better not be clogging up her phone and keeping me from seeing her again! LOL, jk. But seriously. Honestly got me feeling some type of way about posting reviews on certain providers from now on, LOL. I guess I'll have to start my own UTR list for myself. Sheesh. And the qv donation dibacle, one would understand that it's my $ and my choice. But what sealed it for me was like I said. She was exactly 100% the girl in the pics and she was clean woman. At least when I saw her, so that's why we say YMMV right? Your dream might differ from mine. Anyways enjoy and be safe. We good. I already plan to see her this week when I get paid! LOL.

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;3471631]Well all I got to say is you guys better not be clogging up her phone and keeping me from seeing her again! LOL, jk. But seriously. Honestly got me feeling some type of way about posting reviews on certain providers from now on, LOL. I guess I'll have to start my own UTR list for myself. Sheesh. And the qv donation dibacle, one would understand that it's my $ and my choice. But what sealed it for me was like I said. She was exactly 100% the girl in the pics and she was clean woman. At least when I saw her, so that's why we say YMMV right? Your dream might differ from mine. Anyways enjoy and be safe. We good. I already plan to see her this week when I get paid! LOL.[/QUOTE]This reply is yet another commercial for Roxy.

[QUOTE=WeTheBest904;3471631]Well all I got to say is you guys better not be clogging up her phone and keeping me from seeing her again! LOL, jk. But seriously. Honestly got me feeling some type of way about posting reviews on certain providers from now on, LOL. I guess I'll have to start my own UTR list for myself. Sheesh. And the qv donation dibacle, one would understand that it's my $ and my choice. But what sealed it for me was like I said. She was exactly 100% the girl in the pics and she was clean woman. At least when I saw her, so that's why we say YMMV right? Your dream might differ from mine. Anyways enjoy and be safe. We good. I already plan to see her this week when I get paid! LOL.[/QUOTE]Whatever a man wants to spend on snatch is totally up to him. As long as I'm not the one footing the bill, it's nothing to me. If I do donate that amount, believe it, she has to be well worth it. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on how you look at it, most of the girls I've encountered are barely worth 60. I know some can command more but personally because I cannot justify spending too much on snatch, I prefer to just limit myself.

Just for laughs.

[QUOTE=Milkma;3474981]Just for laughs.[/QUOTE]That must be ugly ass Darla? LOL.

You know, I generally could care less what a man pays for coochie because it's his money not mine. So when you read my disbelief or comment about what someone paid a provider, just know I'm not telling you how to spend your money. However the exorbitant rates I read about are really adversely impacting the market. I cannot tell you how many times I'm being told by no good providers that they want 100-150 for a qv. I mean, the frequency of this happening is ever increasing. This is where the problem actually lies. As you go along paying these girls such outlandish fees, you are messing up the market! I can see if most of the reviews or comments about said providers were favorable but most of the reviews I read on here are to the contrary. How many times do you read about nightmares and such. You read "I won't repeat", "I'd only repeat in a pinch" and the list goes on. This happens more often than not. I can understand paying for quality but honestly guys, can you really say you are paying for better quality these days? It is really getting ridiculous. These hookers might not be pricing themselves out of the market but they're damn sure pricing me out of the hobby! The thing is I make a pretty decent living but I refuse to pay for phucked up services!

Many of them don't want to offer QVs these days like they use to- I use QVs to determine if I'd like to spend more time later; to see if chemistry is right. I guess their thinking is why do a QV when I can get paid for a 30 minute visit but only work for 15 minutes or less! How many times have I read about guys paying for an hour or even 30 minutes and the ho wants you done in 5 minutes! You see, these girls look at the average time it takes most clients to finish. There are some pretty fast finishers out there! LOL But if your behind isn't done in 5 minutes, like other minute men, the ho says the gig is up! They feel like they can get away with such rubbish and guess what? They do! Anyway, getting off the soapbox. Again just remember, while it is your money to spend however way you please, know that you're phucking up the market! One last example though, I've read in the massage section how some guys go into these parlors and pay the entry fee of 80-100 then give the girl about 150-200! Then I read how different ones complain about such practices because, hey, again, you're phucking up the market. I'll leave these thoughts with you!

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]You know, I generally could care less what a man pays for coochie because it's his money not mine. So when you read my disbelief or comment about what someone paid a provider, just know I'm not telling you how to spend your money. However the exorbitant rates I read about are really adversely impacting the market. I cannot tell you how many times I'm being told by no good providers that they want 100-150 for a qv. I mean, the frequency of this happening is ever increasing. This is where the problem actually lies. As you go along paying these girls such outlandish fees, you are messing up the market! I can see if most of the reviews or comments about said providers were favorable but most of the reviews I read on here are to the contrary. How many times do you read about nightmares and such. You read "I won't repeat", "I'd only repeat in a pinch" and the list goes on. This happens more often than not. I can understand paying for quality but honestly guys, can you really say you are paying for better quality these days? It is really getting ridiculous.

Many of them don't want to offer QVs these days like they use to. I guess their thinking is why do a QV when I can get paid for a 30 minute visit but only work for 15 minutes or less! How many times have I read about guys paying for an hour or even 30 minutes and the ho wants you done in 5 minutes! You see, these girls look at the average time it takes most clients to finish. There are some pretty fast finishers out there! LOL But if your behind isn't done in 5 minutes, like other minute men, the ho says the gig is up! They feel like they can get away with such rubbish and guess what? They do! Anyway, getting off the soapbox. Again just remember, while it is your money to spend however way you please, know that you're phucking up the market! One last example though, I've read in the massage section how some guys go into these parlors and pay the entry fee of 80-100 then give the girl about 150-200! Then I read how different ones complain about such practices because, hey, again, you're phucking up the market. I'll leave these thoughts with you![/QUOTE]Play more and pay less is my motto. I contacted a newbie on BP a few days ago. She told me she was only doing car visits right now. She asked for 80. I nicely said that's more than I normally pay and she told me stop being cheap. I told her I'm sure she will have other callers who say the same. She said she had plenty that will pay what she ask. She should have no problem having a room than. I'm not going to pay that. She was decent looking spinner but not all that. These hookers rates should match their looks. Even the 5 and below scaled providers want 2 bens an hour.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]You know, I generally could care less what a man pays for coochie because it's his money not mine. So when you read my disbelief or comment about what someone paid a provider, just know I'm not telling you how to spend your money. However the exorbitant rates I read about are really adversely impacting the market. I cannot tell you how many times I'm being told by no good providers that they want 100-150 for a qv. I mean, the frequency of this happening is ever increasing. This is where the problem actually lies. As you go along paying these girls such outlandish fees, you are messing up the market! I can see if most of the reviews or comments about said providers were favorable but most of the reviews I read on here are to the contrary. How many times do you read about nightmares and such. You read "I won't repeat", "I'd only repeat in a pinch" and the list goes on. This happens more often than not. I can understand paying for quality but honestly guys, can you really say you are paying for better quality these days? It is really getting ridiculous. These hookers might not be pricing themselves out of the market but they're damn sure pricing me out of the hobby! The thing is I make a pretty decent living but I refuse to pay for phucked up services![/QUOTE]Yeah, I hate to admit this, but I'm slowly being priced out of the market. At best, I get perhaps a 2-4% increase in pay per year. Over the course of the last couple of years provider rates have gone up about 20-25%. And the increase has not been reflected in services rendered. Take Chloe in Palatka. Someone recently stated that she quoted $200 for a HH and $250 for an hour. Those are the rates that LeLe Sunflower and Rachelina charge. But with both of them, you're going to visit them in a 5 start hotel (Hyatt Regency Downtown for LeLe and the Jacksonville Marriott in Southpoint for Rachelina). On top of that, you will have access to everything but Greek and you'll be allowed MSOG, and the ability to stick around for the full HH or HR. With Chloe, I'm sure that everything is covered, that there's no CIM or COF, no Greek, and no MSOG. Plus all services will be rendered in a rundown hovel without AC or running water (always possible) that is located in a bad part of town. On top of that, with EVERY single provider that I've ever seen, I have requested that they be freshly showered. Almost all of them reply, "of course, baby". But I would say that only perhaps 40% are freshly showered when I arrive.

I still always haggle, no matter what they initially quote, which these days starts at $140. Most will make a counteroffer of $120 when I first tell them "No thanks". But when I still balk at the $120, they typically don't even reply. And again, they all want top dollar for very little in the way of services.

Just my two cents.

Shaggy.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]You know, I generally could care less what a man pays for coochie because it's his money not mine. So when you read my disbelief or comment about what someone paid a provider, just know I'm not telling you how to spend your money. However the exorbitant rates I read about are really adversely impacting the market. I cannot tell you how many times I'm being told by no good providers that they want 100-150 for a qv. I mean, the frequency of this happening is ever increasing. This is where the problem actually lies. As you go along paying these girls such outlandish fees, you are messing up the market! I can see if most of the reviews or comments about said providers were favorable but most of the reviews I read on here are to the contrary. How many times do you read about nightmares and such. You read "I won't repeat", "I'd only repeat in a pinch" and the list goes on. This happens more often than not. I can understand paying for quality but honestly guys, can you really say you are paying for better quality these days? It is really getting ridiculous. These hookers might not be pricing themselves out of the market but they're damn sure pricing me out of the hobby! The thing is I make a pretty decent living but I refuse to pay for phucked up services!

Many of them don't want to offer QVs these days like they use to- I use QVs to determine if I'd like to spend more time later; to see if chemistry is right. I guess their thinking is why do a QV when I can get paid for a 30 minute visit but only work for 15 minutes or less! How many times have I read about guys paying for an hour or even 30 minutes and the ho wants you done in 5 minutes! You see, these girls look at the average time it takes most clients to finish. There are some pretty fast finishers out there! LOL But if your behind isn't done in 5 minutes, like other minute men, the ho says the gig is up! They feel like they can get away with such rubbish and guess what? They do! Anyway, getting off the soapbox. Again just remember, while it is your money to spend however way you please, know that you're phucking up the market! One last example though, I've read in the massage section how some guys go into these parlors and pay the entry fee of 80-100 then give the girl about 150-200! Then I read how different ones complain about such practices because, hey, again, you're phucking up the market. I'll leave these thoughts with you![/QUOTE]Amen brother, again if you live an affluent lifestyle that allows you to drop $ - $. 5 for a qv then more power to ya, I'm not and will continue to set limits to what I'll dream with, and if these exorbitant prices continue to rise because hobbyists not dictating the market I'll just keep it to swan hunting or go back to the olé fashioned way of just talking them out of their pants LOL.

Blowing that kind of money on BP is misusing your assets. You can get way better for those rates. It's like paying $50,000 for a Hyundai Crapsmear when you could be driving a Lexus.

[QUOTE=LukeCage668;3479719]Amen brother, again if you live an affluent lifestyle that allows you to drop $ - $. 5 for a qv then more power to ya, I'm not and will continue to set limits to what I'll dream with, and if these exorbitant prices continue to rise because hobbyists not dictating the market I'll just keep it to swan hunting or go back to the ol fashioned way of just talking them out of their pants LOL.[/QUOTE]The SWer scene has provided some pretty good talent. I mean, at extremely reasonable rates! I love it when a BP girl tells me 80-100 for a QV, I decline and find a SWer for 20-30, depending on how they look. I at least get to see what I'm getting on the spot instead of looking at fake ad's of fake providers. The SWers also don't seem to be on some pedestal like the ones on BP. They seem to be more humble.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]You know, I generally could care less what a man pays for coochie because it's his money not mine. So when you read my disbelief or comment about what someone paid a provider, just know I'm not telling you how to spend your money. However the exorbitant rates I read about are really adversely impacting the market. [/QUOTE]But it sure sounds like you do care because it is screwing with your love life.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]I cannot tell you how many times I'm being told by no good providers that they want 100-150 for a qv. I mean, the frequency of this happening is ever increasing. This is where the problem actually lies. As you go along paying these girls such outlandish fees, you are messing up the market! [/QUOTE]If the provider is documented as "no good" then why waste any time with her at all? Simply move on and let someone else pay the fare.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]I can see if most of the reviews or comments about said providers were favorable but most of the reviews I read on here are to the contrary. How many times do you read about nightmares and such. You read "I won't repeat", "I'd only repeat in a pinch" and the list goes on. This happens more often than not. I can understand paying for quality but honestly guys, can you really say you are paying for better quality these days? [/QUOTE]For every guy who reports here there are probably five or more who lurk, read, but do not report. And there are likely even more who have never seen these pages. Complaining to the crew here does nothing to influence those who are not here.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]Many of them don't want to offer QVs these days like they use to- I use QVs to determine if I'd like to spend more time later; to see if chemistry is right. I guess their thinking is why do a QV when I can get paid for a 30 minute visit but only work for 15 minutes or less! How many times have I read about guys paying for an hour or even 30 minutes and the ho wants you done in 5 minutes! You see, these girls look at the average time it takes most clients to finish. There are some pretty fast finishers out there! [/QUOTE]Like the old saying goes "You can have it good, fast, or cheap. Pick two. ".

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520] Again just remember, while it is your money to spend however way you please, know that you're phucking up the market! [/QUOTE]If the majority are paying "exhorbitant rates" then they ARE the market and you may be the outlier.

[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3479520]One last example though, I've read in the massage section how some guys go into these parlors and pay the entry fee of 80-100 then give the girl about 150-200! Then I read how different ones complain about such practices because, hey, again, you're phucking up the market. I'll leave these thoughts with you![/QUOTE]Your facts are inaccurate. Standard house fee at a K-Shop is 60/80 and the tip scale ranges 100-140 for deluxe treatment. With the AMPs there are always youngsters who get conned into more than the going rate but the savvy customer does not.

[QUOTE=DrewPark;3479758]But it sure sounds like you do care because it is screwing with your love life.

If the provider is documented as "no good" then why waste any time with her at all? Simply move on and let someone else pay the fare.

For every guy who reports here there are probably five or more who lurk, read, but do not report. And there are likely even more who have never seen these pages. Complaining to the crew here does nothing to influence those who are not here.

Like the old saying goes "You can have it good, fast, or cheap. Pick two. ".

If the majority are paying "exhorbitant rates" then they ARE the market and you may be the outlier.

Your facts are inaccurate. Standard house fee at a K-Shop is 60/80 and the tip scale ranges 100-140 for deluxe treatment. With the AMPs there are always youngsters who get conned into more than the going rate but the savvy customer does not.[/QUOTE]If the provider is documented as "no good" then why waste any time with her at all? Simply move on and let someone else pay the fare:

*I'm not wasting time on anyone I know is a waste since I do read reviews and pretty much know the good and the bad. I'm simply talking about not paying for bad services here. That is all!

For every guy who reports here there are probably five or more who lurk, read, but do not report. And there are likely even more who have never seen these pages. Complaining to the crew here does nothing to influence those who are not here. Like the old saying goes "You can have it good, fast, or cheap. Pick two:

*I'm well aware that guys on this site represent the minority but since it is a site where information is exchanged, no harm in raising awareness that "We" not others, should not be a part of this problem. I don't think I've ever read a review that you've posted about a BP provider so not sure if you can really speak much on the subject! My rant is for guys who are more involved in the process, not those who sit on the sidelines and want to give advice all the time! My effort in posting this is not to reach the millions not a part of this site but perhaps, one day, a few of those millions might join this site and understand how things should be done. Whether it's them messing up the market or us, the fact remains, the market is a mess. So the million dollar question is how can "We" on this site not contribute to the problem.

Your facts are inaccurate. Standard house fee at a K-Shop is 60/80 and the tip scale ranges 100-140 for deluxe treatment. With the AMPs there are always youngsters who get conned into more than the going rate but the savvy customer does not:

*I get my facts from what I have read! I have seen where guys pay a pretty good house fee, give or take, whether it's 60-80 or 100 does not matter. The point of the example is that guys complain about others overpaying because they know the expectation for them to pay the same is rapidly approaching. Again a man can pay what they want- it's their money but don't get mad with these little witches when they take your money and give you shitty service. Why complain about something, of which, you are a part of the problem?! I have no problem paying for a quality provider but BP, by and large, have very few and far between quality providers; at least this is what I gather from those who actually see providers and provide reviews instead of just GIVING ADVICE!

[QUOTE=ShaggyJax;3479613]Yeah, I hate to admit this, but I'm slowly being priced out of the market. At best, I get perhaps a 2-4% increase in pay per year. Over the course of the last couple of years provider rates have gone up about 20-25%. And the increase has not been reflected in services rendered. Take Chloe in Palatka. Someone recently stated that she quoted $200 for a HH and $250 for an hour. Those are the rates that LeLe Sunflower and Rachelina charge. But with both of them, you're going to visit them in a 5 start hotel (Hyatt Regency Downtown for LeLe and the Jacksonville Marriott in Southpoint for Rachelina). On top of that, you will have access to everything but Greek and you'll be allowed MSOG, and the ability to stick around for the full HH or HR. With Chloe, I'm sure that everything is covered, that there's no CIM or COF, no Greek, and no MSOG. Plus all services will be rendered in a rundown hovel without AC or running water (always possible) that is located in a bad part of town. On top of that, with EVERY single provider that I've ever seen, I have requested that they be freshly showered. Almost all of them reply, "of course, baby". But I would say that only perhaps 40% are freshly showered when I arrive.

I still always haggle, no matter what they initially quote, which these days starts at $140. Most will make a counteroffer of $120 when I first tell them "No thanks". But when I still balk at the $120, they typically don't even reply. And again, they all want top dollar for very little in the way of services.

Just my two cents.

Shaggy.[/QUOTE]We should not be paying for shitty services because when we do, these girls feel empowered to continue to do the same damn thing. I could not have worded it more eloquently!

[QUOTE=CantB1;3475301]That must be ugly ass Darla? LOL.[/QUOTE]Horrible attempt at trying to hide phone number.

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