Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2678301]I lost someone I was seeing Friday. He overdosed, and didn't wake up. We will find out what it is soon, but some of my close friends are saying Heroin. I don't want to believe that, but it is what it is. He was happy, and doing so well, but yet hiding so much that I and others didn't know about.

The reason why I am writing this is because of some of the posts I see about still being with the provider even if she is on drugs. Do you NOT get what you are doing? You are continuing her high, and making it that much harder for her to quit, or that much easier for her not to be around possibly.

If you see someone with an addiction, get them help, instead of getting them high.

Ladies I know you won't like this post, but please get the help you need, instead of getting high and possibly not being around to share your memories with friends and loved ones. This drug and any drug for that matter is so dangerous. Find something else that can replace that, like having an inane amount of sexual appetite or something. But please give up the drugs.[/QUOTE]Sorry for your loss.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2678301]The reason why I am writing this is because of some of the posts I see about still being with the provider even if she is on drugs. Do you NOT get what you are doing? You are continuing her high, and making it that much harder for her to quit, or that much easier for her not to be around possibly.

If you see someone with an addiction, get them help, instead of getting them high.

But please give up the drugs.[/QUOTE]They have choices and most addicts until they hit rock bottom will not make the choice to give up their fix, no matter what the drug of choice. I am involved in NA and helped both male and female addicts get into rehab and become recovering addicts. Once an addict, always an addict but a recovering addict does not use anymore. H is the most widely used hard drug of choice in the USA right now and it is impacting all socioeconomic sectors of our society. You can't help an addict until they decide they want help, just like you can't help an alcoholic until they want to stop, it's all addiction. A very good provider once told me they provide to give them the "Sex" they so very much desired. Their sex was H. If they weren't providing to supply their habit and their BF's habit then they would turn to some other illegal means to pay for their addiction. This in no way indicates that I think the end justifies the means, it's just a result of the addiction. I try not to see providers that I'm aware of having hard drug addiction issues. Many H users are smoking or snorting but the ones that mainline many times hide it from public view by shooting under toenails, the tongue or between toes. Track marks are only prevalent with the very hard users. So don't be fooled by lack of track marks on the arms. Many Hard Drug provider addicts don't care about the use of covers because it makes business better, so when she says you don't need to cover up, then be prepared for the consequences of any STD's or Hep.

Done with my public service announcement.

FF.

P.S. Even freckled providers use H, it's a non discriminating drug.

I can see where SinfulDreams is coming from, and I can also see where the guys who have responded are coming from. I suppose I do contribute to the problem, in that a provider can get a lot more jacksons by seeing me for an hour than they could from working all day at a fast food joint. But chances are that provider would just engage in (and probably already engages in) other activities, be it stealing, being involved in the H trade, or what have you.

And let's face it, the word has been out for a very, very long time that H is some seriously bad stuff. It's been in the news constantly for the last few years and H had a bad reputation long before then. Sure, it didn't help when all these idiot doctors were prescribing painkillers like they were candy for all those years, and then LE cracked down on the prescription drugs without considering that the pill addicts might switch over to H. But still.

In an ideal world, I'd rather just find some bored soccer mom to shag on the side. Most of them are too focused on their rugrats be interested in that, though. Or find a single mom waiting tables who needs a little help under the table every now and then when the rent is due. Until I find such a unicorn, here I am.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2678301]I lost someone I was seeing Friday. He overdosed, and didn't wake up. We will find out what it is soon, but some of my close friends are saying Heroin. I don't want to believe that, but it is what it is. He was happy, and doing so well, but yet hiding so much that I and others didn't know about.

The reason why I am writing this is because of some of the posts I see about still being with the provider even if she is on drugs. Do you NOT get what you are doing? You are continuing her high, and making it that much harder for her to quit, or that much easier for her not to be around possibly.

If you see someone with an addiction, get them help, instead of getting them high.

Ladies I know you won't like this post, but please get the help you need, instead of getting high and possibly not being around to share your memories with friends and loved ones. This drug and any drug for that matter is so dangerous. Find something else that can replace that, like having an inane amount of sexual appetite or something. But please give up the drugs.[/QUOTE]I try to use providers who aren't using, but that's almost like finding a good bourbon without alcohol. I've never seen anyone admit to using and some people (like your friend) are very good at hiding it.

Also, I'm not rich, so I can't always see expensive providers who I know (or think) don't use. So, I just do the best I can.

I'm very sorry abut your friend. I have lost friends too, one of my best friends died due to alcohol. I know it really sucks. Good Luck, and stay safe.

[QUOTE=Gatty23;2679707]I try to use providers who aren't using, but that's almost like finding a good bourbon without alcohol. I've never seen anyone admit to using and some people (like your friend) are very good at hiding it.

Also, I'm not rich, so I can't always see expensive providers who I know (or think) don't use. So, I just do the best I can.

I'm very sorry abut your friend. I have lost friends too, one of my best friends died due to alcohol. I know it really sucks. Good Luck, and stay safe.[/QUOTE]Problem is almost all h users won't admit to it despite all the signs being there.

Regarding the list in the General Info thread, if it wasn't giving me such a good laugh to read the growing list, I'd beg you guys to stop already. Really, are you doing the whiz quiz on these ladies yourselves to verify that they are clean? I've heard some great stories in the past couple years from ladies who had all sorts of reasons why they would never or could never use drugs. However their pictures soon show up among the mugshots with charges for possessing H. So just cover up, do the deed, and don't believe the bullshit anybody tells you about being clean.

If it wasnt for the H we wouldn't have the fine selection we have and the diversity of choices of girls. Most the girls we get to bang in this hobby wouldn't be doing this shit if it wasnt for the H. I am glad there is are drugs and H around to motivate these girls with the insatiable hunger for money. Do not blame the drugs blame the user for putting it into their bodies. Most these girls do not even want to be helped. Besides it is much funner to party with them rather than to try to stop their party altogether.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2683274]And you sir are the very reason why the good guys get such a bad name. I hope you never have anything unfortunate happen to you because they say karma is a *****!! To say you are glad there is Heroin around, which is what is killing so many young people in itself, is so selfish of you. That is all you care about after all is banging some chic, as long as you get your nut. Pathetic.

[blue]I disagree, it's like poverty down here. I didn't cause it, I can't stop it, but I'm not blind to it's effect. What he said was just true. Most of those girls wouldn't be doing it if they weren't strung out. He wasn't celebrating it, he was commenting on the reality of the situation.

Mis dos centavos

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]Seemed to me, like he was very much celebrating it. The way you put it, was stating the facts. The way he said it, was defiantly celebrating it. He said he was glad about the situation.

Your comparison of poverty and the heroin epidemic here is off base too. These girls can work their way out of poverty, they'll never worked her way out of a heroin addiction.

[blue]You have obviously never lived in the third world. You know nothing of true poverty and equally I'm pretty sure you know very little about addiction. Your ignorance is showing.

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[QUOTE=BuyingSmiles;2684277]Seemed to me, like he was very much celebrating it. The way you put it, was stating the facts. The way he said it, was defiantly celebrating it. He said he was glad about the situation.

Your comparison of poverty and the heroin epidemic here is off base too. These girls can work their way out of poverty, they'll never worked her way out of a heroin addiction.

[blue]You have obviously never lived in the third world. You know nothing of true poverty and equally I'm pretty sure you know very little about addiction. Your ignorance is showing.

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]You have no idea what I know, where I have been or what I've seen. I have never lived in a third world country, you are correct. I have seen first hand though, in travel, the shanty towns in South Africa and they way people who are truly poor live. Unfortunately, I have first hand knowledge and experience with people dealing with addiction. Point is, if a girl is poor and sells her self for sex, she can save her money, better herself and take care of her family. She can build herself a future and execute an exit strategy. None of these girls, that are addicted to heroin, are going to save their money, better themselves in any way shape or form and damn sure are not going to do anything to take care of their family. There is no exit strategy for a girl addicted to heroin, there is no future for the girl addicted to heroin. Her exit strategy is for you to get the fuck out of the room so she can buy more dope, her future is in a pine box.

A poor girl can work herself out of poverty by selling yourself for sex. A girl addicted to heroin, has a snowballs chance in hell of working herself clean. If you can't see that difference that's not my problem.

[QUOTE=SinfulDreams;2683274]And you sir are the very reason why the good guys get such a bad name. I hope you never have anything unfortunate happen to you because they say karma is a *****!! To say you are glad there is Heroin around, which is what is killing so many young people in itself, is so selfish of you. That is all you care about after all is banging some chic, as long as you get your nut. Pathetic.

[blue]I disagree, it's like poverty down here. I didn't cause it, I can't stop it, but I'm not blind to it's effect. What he said was just true. Most of those girls wouldn't be doing it if they weren't strung out. He wasn't celebrating it, he was commenting on the reality of the situation.

Mis dos centavos

A2[/blue][/QUOTE]I completely agree with you and just wanted to give you a YAY!! H is a terrible scourge. And those that fall into its grip are fortunate if they ever escape. A very tragic part of our society. I consciously do not see anyone who I even suspect of having an H problem. It ust feeds their downhill slide.

While I know there are so many girls who do have that addiction, the very few I have seen who seem suspicious, I either walk out or never see them again. I'd rather see no one than support an H habit. Bravo to you again for your stand! .

[QUOTE=BuyingSmiles;2684514]You have no idea what I know, where I have been or what I've seen. I have never lived in a third world country, you are correct. I have seen first hand though, in travel, the shanty towns in South Africa and they way people who are truly poor live. Unfortunately, I have first hand knowledge and experience with people dealing with addiction. Point is, if a girl is poor and sells her self for sex, she can save her money, better herself and take care of her family. She can build herself a future and execute an exit strategy. None of these girls, that are addicted to heroin, are going to save their money, better themselves in any way shape or form and damn sure are not going to do anything to take care of their family. There is no exit strategy for a girl addicted to heroin, there is no future for the girl addicted to heroin. Her exit strategy is for you to get the fuck out of the room so she can buy more dope, her future is in a pine box.

A poor girl can work herself out of poverty by selling yourself for sex. A girl addicted to heroin, has a snowballs chance in hell of working herself clean. If you can't see that difference that's not my problem.[/QUOTE]I know this problem first hand, not from anybody telling me about it or watching anybody go through it. Anyone of these chicks can do something about it by searching two letters with the name Cincinnati behind it. [URL]http://nacincinnati.com[/URL].

I took a look, the fellowship in Cincy is FUCKING huge! There are tons of meetings everyday.

Traveling through S Africa and seeing some shanty towns is nowhere near the same thing as living in a third world country. You have no idea how systematically poor people are denied equality of opportunity here. I've been poor and I've kicked dope. Of the two; working my way out of poverty was way fucking harder than kicking the dope. Not getting into specifics of my own story but I had already kicked it before Jax started this forum, so it's not a dream it's my reality.

All any of them need do is call.

[QUOTE=Amon777;2683022]If it wasnt for the H we wouldn't have the fine selection we have and the diversity of choices of girls. Most the girls we get to bang in this hobby wouldn't be doing this shit if it wasnt for the H. I am glad there is are drugs and H around to motivate these girls with the insatiable hunger for money. Do not blame the drugs blame the user for putting it into their bodies. Most these girls do not even want to be helped. Besides it is much funner to party with them rather than to try to stop their party altogether.[/QUOTE]Wow that is a really fucked up way of looking at it.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2684678]I know this problem first hand, not from anybody telling me about it or watching anybody go through it. Anyone of these chicks can do something about it by searching two letters with the name Cincinnati behind it. [URL]http://nacincinnati.com[/URL].

I took a look, the fellowship in Cincy is FUCKING huge! There are tons of meetings everyday.

Traveling through S Africa and seeing some shanty towns is nowhere near the same thing as living in a third world country. You have no idea how systematically poor people are denied equality of opportunity here. I've been poor and I've kicked dope. Of the two; working my way out of poverty was way fucking harder than kicking the dope. Not getting into specifics of my own story but I had already kicked it before Jax started this forum, so it's not a dream it's my reality.

All any of them need do is call.[/QUOTE]It's not like I just took a stroll past a shanty town on my way from one tourist attraction to another. I spent two months there, with regular interaction with the folks that did live in the shanty towns. I made friends with these people and I did I fact see the struggles they had and the amazing lack of opportunity they faced. To say because I didn't live there, I have no idea, is a rather stupid thing for anyone to say. That makes as much sense as saying, because I wasn't dumb enough to decide, that injecting my self with Heroin and becoming an addict was an good idea, that I have no idea about the reality of the situation. I don't need to be a dumbass to see what a dumb ass is doing and see how the actions of the said dumbass affects everyone around them.

You are correct any of them, all of them can just call. Will they? I'm not putting my money on it. What I am talking about has nothing to do with a poor person having acces to some opportunity. I am not arguing the point that poverty and and addiction don't both lead to the sex fire hire life style. My point is if you take a poor girl, from the poorest country of your choice, and send her here to Cincinnati and let her advertise here and work here with the same opportunity as the heroin addicts here. The poor girl will not just piss away every dime she makes and will have a future that the addicted girl never will have.

I am glad that you were able to defeat your demons. You are one of the fortunate few. If any of these dope addicts could follow your lead they would not only kick the dope but also become financially stable in very short order by doing the same job and saving or investing their hard earned cash instead of shooting up wit heir needles ands spoons.

[QUOTE=Amon777;2683022]If it wasnt for the H we wouldn't have the fine selection we have and the diversity of choices of girls. Most the girls we get to bang in this hobby wouldn't be doing this shit if it wasnt for the H. I am glad there is are drugs and H around to motivate these girls with the insatiable hunger for money. Do not blame the drugs blame the user for putting it into their bodies. Most these girls do not even want to be helped. Besides it is much funner to party with them rather than to try to stop their party altogether.[/QUOTE]Dude you need to see a Dr and I'm not talking family Dr.

[QUOTE=BuyingSmiles;2684805]It's not like I just took a stroll past a shanty town on my way from one tourist attraction to another. I spent two months there, with regular interaction with the folks that did live in the shanty towns. I made friends with these people and I did I fact see the struggles they had and the amazing lack of opportunity they faced. To say because I didn't live there, I have no idea, is a rather stupid thing for anyone to say. That makes as much sense as saying, because I wasn't dumb enough to decide, that injecting my self with Heroin and becoming an addict was an good idea, that I have no idea about the reality of the situation. I don't need to be a dumbass to see what a dumb ass is doing and see how the actions of the said dumbass affects everyone around them.

You are correct any of them, all of them can just call. Will they? I'm not putting my money on it. What I am talking about has nothing to do with a poor person having acces to some opportunity. I am not arguing the point that poverty and and addiction don't both lead to the sex fire hire life style. My point is if you take a poor girl, from the poorest country of your choice, and send her here to Cincinnati and let her advertise here and work here with the same opportunity as the heroin addicts here. The poor girl will not just piss away every dime she makes and will have a future that the addicted girl never will have.

I am glad that you were able to defeat your demons. You are one of the fortunate few. If any of these dope addicts could follow your lead they would not only kick the dope but also become financially stable in very short order by doing the same job and saving or investing their hard earned cash instead of shooting up wit heir needles ands spoons.[/QUOTE]But you are truly hopeless with this shit. I am neither an exception nor exceptional. There are millions and millions of former junkies walking around and yes the poor chicks here would indeed squander every penny because they have no concept of planning for the future, I watch them do it all the time. I have spent 6 years, not two months on tour, down here. Hookers down here don't make as much as chicks do up there but based on the economy they earn more than doctors do here and 95% of them live in tiny fucking apartments and don't have a dime saved.

Addiction as defined by the ASAM;.

"Addiction is a primary, chronic disease of brain reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. Dysfunction in these circuits leads to characteristic biological, psychological, social and spiritual manifestations. This is reflected in an individual pathologically pursuing reward and / or relief by substance use and other behaviors.

And you characterize the people who suffer from it as dumbasses? As if they are doing this by choice? You are seriously fucked up and you just need to stop. I'm not just saying I disagree with you, I'm telling you from first hand experience that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about and should stop talking before you embarrass yourself further because I will just keep taking you to school on this. You see it as a choice and I'm telling you it's an illness that just needs to be treated. There's no fucking mystery to it, if people are willing to kick it they can kick it but treating them as if they are morally deficient isn't the way to do it.

Both of these problems have the same solution, education, opportunity, and mentoring.

Take pleasure in another's misfortune Karma has a way of biting the offender in the derriere JMHO.

No, I was not celebrating it, you misconstrue my statement. I was stating the facts and the cold harsh reality. If it wasnt for the H situation we'd all be banging the same 5 girls since there would be no more stimulus for the supply in this market while demand will remain at the same level. Your statements about poverty also show that you fail to see the big picture and underscores your ignorance. The yoke of poverty dwarfs the burden of a dope addiction. A dope addiction must be sustained through work and activity I. E. Making money, selling oneself, copping drugs, avoiding ripoffs or bad deals, hunting for good quality shit, avoiding law enforcement, etc whereas poverty asks for nothing from its slave. It afflicts with no discrimination in tandem with the inevitable vicissitudes of life whereas an addiction afflicts because its victim lets it and wants it and is willing to work for it.

Sure a girl can sell herself and save up money but what happens when the money runs out? She will have to go back to selling herself. She would still be caught up in the vicious cycle of poverty. Even if the girl was entrepreneurial with her scant savings and wanted to build up a future for herself, her impoverished origins and surroundings in a third world country would snuff out any opportunities and hopes she has and not before long her savings would be depleted again. A drug addict can quit their habit once and for all if they had a genuine desire to whereas one cannot simply will their way out of being poor. Again this is the harsh reality and I am only stating the facts from a realistic point of view because most importantly I am a realist not a dreamer.

[QUOTE=BuyingSmiles;2684277]Seemed to me, like he was very much celebrating it. The way you put it, was stating the facts. The way he said it, was defiantly celebrating it. He said he was glad about the situation.

Your comparison of poverty and the heroin epidemic here is off base too. These girls can work their way out of poverty, they'll never worked her way out of a heroin addiction.

[blue]You have obviously never lived in the third world. You know nothing of true poverty and equally I'm pretty sure you know very little about addiction. Your ignorance is showing.

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[QUOTE=Amon777;2684931][b]No, I was not celebrating it, you misconstrue my statement. [/b]I was stating the facts and the cold harsh reality. If it wasnt for the H situation we'd all be banging the same 5 girls since there would be no more stimulus for the supply in this market while demand will remain at the same level. ...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amon777;2683022]
[b]Nothing wrong with the H[/b]
If it wasnt for the H we wouldn't have the fine selection we have and the diversity of choices of girls. Most the girls we get to bang in this hobby wouldn't be doing this shit if it wasnt for the H. [b]I am glad there is are drugs and H around to motivate these girls with the insatiable hunger for money.[/b] Do not blame the drugs blame the user for putting it into their bodies. Most these girls do not even want to be helped. [b]Besides it is much funner to party with them rather than to try to stop their party altogether.[/b][/QUOTE]I guess I too misconstrued your statements. You appear to me to be celebrating and glad that all these women are adicted to H. Whatever.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2684918]But you are truly hopeless with this shit. I am neither an exception nor exceptional. There are millions and millions of former junkies walking around and yes the poor chicks here would indeed squander every penny because they have no concept of planning for the future, I watch them do it all the time. I have spent 6 years, not two months on tour, down here. Hookers down here don't make as much as chicks do up there but based on the economy they earn more than doctors do here and 95% of them live in tiny fucking apartments and don't have a dime saved.

Addiction as defined by the ASAM;.

"Addiction is a primary, chronic disease of brain reward, motivation, memory and related circuitry. Dysfunction in these circuits leads to characteristic biological, psychological, social and spiritual manifestations. This is reflected in an individual pathologically pursuing reward and / or relief by substance use and other behaviors.

And you characterize the people who suffer from it as dumbasses? As if they are doing this by choice? You are seriously fucked up and you just need to stop. I'm not just saying I disagree with you, I'm telling you from first hand experience that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about and should stop talking before you embarrass yourself further because I will just keep taking you to school on this. You see it as a choice and I'm telling you it's an illness that just needs to be treated. There's no fucking mystery to it, if people are willing to kick it they can kick it but treating them as if they are morally deficient isn't the way to do it.

Both of these problems have the same solution, education, opportunity, and mentoring.[/QUOTE]The dumbass that I referred to, is anyone, that decided it was a good idea to pick up the needle (the first time) and shove it in their arm and inject heroin into their vein There's no way It could come as a shock to anybody, the results that followed. There is no way you can tell me any of these girls that tried Heroin in the last 10 years, got a shocking surprise when they became an addicted junkie. It's not like this is a brand-new drug. I'm not saying anybody's a dumbass because they were were addicted. I'm saying they were a dumbass for trying the drug in the first place. If you try heroin yes, you are a dumb ass. As a result of being a dumbass, you became an addict. You follow what I'm saying? Is addiction a choice? No! Trying heroin for the first time is a choice! If you do it, Yes, you are in fact a DUMB ASS!

As far as me being embarrassed, you're never going to embarrass me. And you will never say or do anything that will embarrass me. Can you use your power to kick me off the site? Well, absolutely if you so choose to, but you will never cause me to feel embarrassed. Apparently, I've touched a nerve with you. That was not my intention. You seem to have taken it personal. I was not rude or disrespectful. I simply stated I disagreed, just like you stated you disagree with Ally (in your Holier Than Though Blue font) I stated I thought it came across like he was celebrating the situation. If he said it the way you said it, I would not have interpreted as him celebrating it. It's obvious to me from other comments that I'm not the only one I thought he was being an asshat about it? I thought you were off base comparing the poor girls where you live (apples) to the Heroin addicts here (oranges). Yes you buy them both in the produce section, but they are apples and oranges.

You are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine, I respect your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Just because you communicate with the condescending attitude and arrogance that you do when you disagree with people, doesn't mean anybody's going to be embarrassed.

[QUOTE=BuyingSmiles;2684805]It's not like I just took a stroll past a shanty town on my way from one tourist attraction to another. I spent two months there, with regular interaction with the folks that did live in the shanty towns. I made friends with these people and I did I fact see the struggles they had and the amazing lack of opportunity they faced. To say because I didn't live there, I have no idea, is a rather stupid thing for anyone to say. That makes as much sense as saying, because I wasn't dumb enough to decide, that injecting my self with Heroin and becoming an addict was an good idea, that I have no idea about the reality of the situation. I don't need to be a dumbass to see what a dumb ass is doing and see how the actions of the said dumbass affects everyone around them.

You are correct any of them, all of them can just call. Will they? I'm not putting my money on it. What I am talking about has nothing to do with a poor person having acces to some opportunity. I am not arguing the point that poverty and and addiction don't both lead to the sex fire hire life style. My point is if you take a poor girl, from the poorest country of your choice, and send her here to Cincinnati and let her advertise here and work here with the same opportunity as the heroin addicts here. The poor girl will not just piss away every dime she makes and will have a future that the addicted girl never will have.

I am glad that you were able to defeat your demons. You are one of the fortunate few. If any of these dope addicts could follow your lead they would not only kick the dope but also become financially stable in very short order by doing the same job and saving or investing their hard earned cash instead of shooting up wit heir needles ands spoons.[/QUOTE]I agree with you in part but I have known personally many people who have kicked heroin, I to have pulled myself up from the throes of addiction I have been homeless and lost my morals. Heroin is a horrendous drug but so is crack pills and alcohol. Being an addict who hasn't used drugs in 15 years I learned that you can't put one drug over another. But I do know you can stop using drugs you just have to want to. Ask Samuel l Jackson who was a heroin and crack addict. Or the heroin addicts throughout the world who have quit, these girls have a way out they just have to take advantage of their window of clarity. And addiction and needs are the only thing that fuels prostitution even the girls that aren't using drugs are prostituting for a need and that need is money and a certain lifestyle. HL29.

Yes you most certainly did. Its their freedom to spend the money they earned on whatever they want and I was stating there is nothing wrong with that. If they want to get high and have fun then that's their business. Its not yours, you ain't their boyfriend or husband, and deep down inside they probably don't even consider you a friend. They are not harming anyone and they know the risks since they are adults. It is what motivates them. I'd rather they support their habit through relatively safe channels like escorting rather than go out and rob people or resorting to violent crime and getting themselves killed or arrested. I prefer seeing junkies and will happily pay them for their services and I don't care what they spend their money on. I have done H myself many times before and enjoy it immensely.

[QUOTE=Cartog;2684967]I guess I too misconstrued your statements. You appear to me to be celebrating and glad that all these women are adicted to H. Whatever.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BuyingSmiles;2684987]The dumbass that I referred to, is anyone, that decided it was a good idea to pick up the needle (the first time) and shove it in their arm and inject heroin into their vein There's no way It could come as a shock to anybody, the results that followed. There is no way you can tell me any of these girls that tried Heroin in the last 10 years, got a shocking surprise when they became an addicted junkie. It's not like this is a brand-new drug. I'm not saying anybody's a dumbass because they were were addicted. I'm saying they were a dumbass for trying the drug in the first place. If you try heroin yes, you are a dumb ass. As a result of being a dumbass, you became an addict. You follow what I'm saying? Is addiction a choice? No! Trying heroin for the first time is a choice! If you do it, Yes, you are in fact a DUMB ASS!

As far as me being embarrassed, you're never going to embarrass me. And you will never say or do anything that will embarrass me. Can you use your power to kick me off the site? Well, absolutely if you so choose to, but you will never cause me to feel embarrassed. Apparently, I've touched a nerve with you. That was not my intention. You seem to have taken it personal. I was not rude or disrespectful. I simply stated I disagreed, just like you stated you disagree with Ally (in your Holier Than Though Blue font) I stated I thought it came across like he was celebrating the situation. If he said it the way you said it, I would not have interpreted as him celebrating it. It's obvious to me from other comments that I'm not the only one I thought he was being an asshat about it? I thought you were off base comparing the poor girls where you live (apples) to the Heroin addicts here (oranges). Yes you buy them both in the produce section, but they are apples and oranges.

You are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine, I respect your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Just because you communicate with the condescending attitude and arrogance that you do when you disagree with people, doesn't mean anybody's going to be embarrassed.[/QUOTE]You know who says "you are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine?" Stupid people that know they are wrong.

People don't wake up and say, "Oh I know what I'll do today, I'll run downtown and try some heroin. " They don't even look at the shit the first time and think "Oh, ok, I'll just give it a shot and see where it goes. " They do it because the pain of staying alive is more than they can bare and they really don't care what the long term results are.

None of this since then has been in blue font and I certainly don't have to kick a moron like you off the forum because you provide too much comic relief.

One more piece of the puzzle for you, the only people who are never embarrassed by their actions are those who lack the introspection to examine them. I guess it's ok that you can't feel it. I certainly am embarrassed enough for you for the both of us.

[QUOTE=HuntLadys29;2684989]I agree with you in part but I have known personally many people who have kicked heroin, I to have pulled myself up from the throes of addiction I have been homeless and lost my morals. Heroin is a horrendous drug but so is crack pills and alcohol. Being an addict who hasn't used drugs in 15 years I learned that you can't put one drug over another. But I do know you can stop using drugs you just have to want to. Ask Samuel l Jackson who was a heroin and crack addict. Or the heroin addicts throughout the world who have quit, these girls have a way out they just have to take advantage of their window of clarity. And addiction and needs are the only thing that fuels prostitution even the girls that aren't using drugs are prostituting for a need and that need is money and a certain lifestyle. HL29.[/QUOTE]I am close to someone that is a recovering crack addict and has since his recovery has worked with thousands of recovering men and women. He has created places to live in a sober environment. 100's of beds all over Cincinnati and Covington. The drunks and crack heads seem to have a decent rate of success with their demons. The heroin addicts not so much. Maybe, it's a coincidence, that the H users he deals with are less successful. I doubt it though. Addiction is addiction, no matter what it is you're addicted to. I get it, but I think (just my opinion, que the Gods to tell me how dumb I am) the H addiction is by far the worst.

These girls have to want to get better. And it's obvious they don't want to. If anyone truly wanted to get off the shit, they would take the steps to try. I say try because I know it's not easy. Just because there is a way out doesn't mean people are looking for it. Saying you want something and really wanting it, not the same thing.

I know people that are recovering from addictions of all kinds. I also know a lot that are Dead from their addictions.

Congratulations on your 15 years sobriety!

[QUOTE=Admin2;2685032]You know who says "you are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine?" Stupid people that know they are wrong.

People don't wake up and say, "Oh I know what I'll do today, I'll run downtown and try some heroin. " They don't even look at the shit the first time and think "Oh, ok, I'll just give it a shot and see where it goes. " They do it because the pain of staying alive is more than they can bare and they really don't care what the long term results are.

None of this since then has been in blue font and I certainly don't have to kick a moron like you off the forum because you provide too much comic relief.

One more piece of the puzzle for you, the only people who are never embarrassed by their actions are those who lack the introspection to examine them. I guess it's ok that you can't feel it. I certainly am embarrassed enough for you for the both of us.[/QUOTE]How ever have I gotten along with out your guidance. I am so embarrassed!

Maybe someday I can be just like you with an overrated opinion about myself!

[blue]Ouch, that biting sarcasm wounded my inner child. I reckon when you have nothing further to add an ad hominum attack will just have to do.

A2[/blue]

You are still essentially calling all addicts who suffer from the disease dumbasses since all them had to have put the drug into their bodies for the first time at some point in their lives. The first paragraph still doesn't justify your insolence to addicts who suffer from the disease.

[QUOTE=BuyingSmiles;2684987]The dumbass that I referred to, is anyone, that decided it was a good idea to pick up the needle (the first time) and shove it in their arm and inject heroin into their vein There's no way It could come as a shock to anybody, the results that followed. There is no way you can tell me any of these girls that tried Heroin in the last 10 years, got a shocking surprise when they became an addicted junkie. It's not like this is a brand-new drug. I'm not saying anybody's a dumbass because they were were addicted. I'm saying they were a dumbass for trying the drug in the first place. If you try heroin yes, you are a dumb ass. As a result of being a dumbass, you became an addict. You follow what I'm saying? Is addiction a choice? No! Trying heroin for the first time is a choice! If you do it, Yes, you are in fact a DUMB ASS!

As far as me being embarrassed, you're never going to embarrass me. And you will never say or do anything that will embarrass me. Can you use your power to kick me off the site? Well, absolutely if you so choose to, but you will never cause me to feel embarrassed. Apparently, I've touched a nerve with you. That was not my intention. You seem to have taken it personal. I was not rude or disrespectful. I simply stated I disagreed, just like you stated you disagree with Ally (in your Holier Than Though Blue font) I stated I thought it came across like he was celebrating the situation. If he said it the way you said it, I would not have interpreted as him celebrating it. It's obvious to me from other comments that I'm not the only one I thought he was being an asshat about it? I thought you were off base comparing the poor girls where you live (apples) to the Heroin addicts here (oranges). Yes you buy them both in the produce section, but they are apples and oranges.

You are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine, I respect your opinion but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Just because you communicate with the condescending attitude and arrogance that you do when you disagree with people, doesn't mean anybody's going to be embarrassed.[/QUOTE]

A have tried for a long time to stay away from posting on here. But Amon, I must ask you this after seeing your posts for months. I you just naturally stupid and an asshole or do you really work at it? I hope any provider out there will research your posts before they agree to see you. You brag about going bb, and supporting H users. You my fellow monger are a disgrace to this forum. I would NEVER see a provider that I knew had previously seen you! You are a walking time-bomb! I applaud Admin for his comments and his success! His link to a site to help addicts is cool. Safe hunting out there to the respectable mongers and stay safe!

[QUOTE=Amon777;2685049]You are still essentially calling all addicts who suffer from the disease dumbasses since all them had to have put the drug into their bodies for the first time at some point in their lives. The first paragraph still doesn't justify your insolence to addicts who suffer from the disease.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Amon777;2683022]If it wasnt for the H we wouldn't have the fine selection we have and the diversity of choices of girls. Most the girls we get to bang in this hobby wouldn't be doing this shit if it wasnt for the H. I am glad there is are drugs and H around to motivate these girls with the insatiable hunger for money. Do not blame the drugs blame the user for putting it into their bodies. Most these girls do not even want to be helped. Besides it is much funner to party with them rather than to try to stop their party altogether.[/QUOTE]Yeah the part about being glad about H is mostly douchey, and he is trying to troll the forum no doubt. I still agree in essence. I would help anyone of these chicks if I could but until they want it there's nothing to be done except keep a seat warm. Having the habit feed the hobby is a fact of life, love it or hate it a fact it will remain.

I've talked a lot about how much harder poverty is to overcome. As we speak one of the sisters I have so lovingly spoke of in the past has recently decided to take some computer classes because she wants to stop sucking cock for a living. I told her I was proud of her, that it was a great decision and if she needed any help just ask. My motivation for doing that is two fold.

1. She's a sweet kid, I would take pleasure in seeing her improve her life. There's nothing wrong with sucking cock for a living, I'm glad there are 30,000 chicks in this town that do it. I also understand it's not a job for life. Right now she can make more than a doctor here because she's young and fucks like a demon but that won't last forever and I hope she's successful at this and if I can help I will do so gladly even if it means I don't ever get to fuck her again.

2. By being honestly supportive if she does as 95% of the working girls down here I have known that have told me they want to go to school to stop being hooker, and quits going to school because that's something she has to do everyday, it has no immediate reward, and it's hard work I'll gain in the end. If she starts working again, I'll be the guy that really tried to help her and that will be reflected in how well she bangs me.

Does me being aware that the numbers are against her and knowing that my actions today might help me in the future detract from my sincere effort to help her? No fucking way, I'd help her with the tuition and never fuck her again if she asked. I'm not offering to help her with tuition because if a chick wants to stop being a hooker then the first thing they have to do is stop asking men for money when they need it and start looking for ways to solve the problem themselves but I'm not going to let money be the reason to fail.

It's the same with the chicks doing H. Being aware that their actions can help get something you want when you aren't involved in the action isn't the same as celebrating it. It's just seeing, and being willing to say, what you see right in front of your eyes. Saying that buying sex from chicks keeps helps them buy dope just shows a lack of understanding about junkies. The only thing buying sex does is stop them from robbing people or banks. Junkies are going to get dope, there's no question about that, you can never, EVER stop them. It's only a question of how they get the dope.

I'll tell you one thing that would stop junkies from selling sex really fucking quick. Stop making selling sex illegal then they couldn't compete. If it was legal to do, you would have coeds from one city in Ohio making road trips to other cities on weekends to work. Two or three girls from Dayton would drive to Cincy, study when they weren't fucking, and make more fucking in one weekend then they could in two weeks of jobs where you keep your clothing on. No way in hell could chicks that are strung out compete against that. It's what its like here.

This is exactly what I have been trying to say LOL. But most people cannot see the obvious or will not admit it.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2685265]
It's the same with the chicks doing H. Being aware that their actions can help get something you want when you aren't involved in the action isn't the same as celebrating it. It's just seeing, and being willing to say, what you see right in front of your eyes. Saying that buying sex from chicks keeps helps them buy dope just shows a lack of understanding about junkies. The only thing buying sex does is stop them from robbing people or banks. Junkies are going to get dope, there's no question about that, you can never, EVER stop them. It's only a question of how they get the dope.
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If you think I am an asshole then that's nice I give zero fucks about what you think. You are nobody to me. I am the merchant of truth. You have over 600 posts, I imagine you have seen and inadvertently supported hordes more addicts than I ever have or ever will. A lot of these girls have sugar daddies that knowingly support their habit 100 percent the whole way. I have never bragged about going bb I stated alot of mongers go bb on the down low because I actually talk to girls and ask them and they tell me. Do I like going bb? Sure, and I have openly admitted that but I have never bragged about it. I love spreading my seed around and its a waste of good pussy to use a condom. Yes please stay away from the providers I have seen, so I can enjoy them more to myself. I am glad you think I'm a disgrace. I like being bottom of the barrel filth.



[QUOTE=WingmanTodd;2685084]A have tried for a long time to stay away from posting on here. But Amon, I must ask you this after seeing your posts for months. I you just naturally stupid and an asshole or do you really work at it? I hope any provider out there will research your posts before they agree to see you. You brag about going bb, and supporting H users. You my fellow monger are a disgrace to this forum. I would NEVER see a provider that I knew had previously seen you! You are a walking time-bomb! I applaud Admin for his comments and his success! His link to a site to help addicts is cool. Safe hunting out there to the respectable mongers and stay safe![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Admin2;2685032]You know who says "you are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine?" Stupid people that know they are wrong.

People don't wake up and say, "Oh I know what I'll do today, I'll run downtown and try some heroin. " They don't even look at the shit the first time and think "Oh, ok, I'll just give it a shot and see where it goes. " They do it because the pain of staying alive is more than they can bare and they really don't care what the long term results are.

None of this since then has been in blue font and I certainly don't have to kick a moron like you off the forum because you provide too much comic relief.

One more piece of the puzzle for you, the only people who are never embarrassed by their actions are those who lack the introspection to examine them. I guess it's ok that you can't feel it. I certainly am embarrassed enough for you for the both of us.[/QUOTE]The mean email a couple of months ago aside, good job putting assholes in their place a2! Although I do not do h, it has toucheD my life through friends and friends of friends. So many in our area are afflicted by this horrible drug!

Seriously most people can not change another person's opinion with words We are creatures that have to witness it and experience it first hand. We all have opinions but it is wise to never stop listening to another's opinions that may differ. Our goal yes mine also and I AM STILL working on this part for me is to try and get along with others who I may differ with on certain issues. Sometimes I do sometimes I do not but doesn't mean we don't try Let's all remember the reason for being here Pleasure profit, and stress relief whatever forms that may take I am grateful for the ladies I have met and fortunate to have not meant any of the meaner ones and their BFS OR SO'S Now if I can just find a steady cure for my reoccuring ED I may hit the promised land.

Please notice A2 that this is written in black and not in my normal omnipotent GOLD script associated with my heavenly presence. Have a good day And remember when you feel you want to do bodily harm or slap someone silly because they have pissed you off EAT SOME FRESH PUSSY for your daily ration of protein and relax a bit. Big Mack FKMEISTER extraordinaire and keeper of the PIECE.

[QUOTE=Admin2;2685265]I would help anyone of these chicks if I could but until they want it there's nothing to be done except keep a seat warm. Having the habit feed the hobby is a fact of life, love it or hate it a fact it will remain.

I've talked a lot about how much harder poverty is to overcome.

Saying that buying sex from chicks keeps helps them buy dope just shows a lack of understanding about junkies. The only thing buying sex does is stop them from robbing people or banks. Junkies are going to get dope, there's no question about that, you can never, EVER stop them. It's only a question of how they get the dope.

I'll tell you one thing that would stop junkies from selling sex really fucking quick. Stop making selling sex illegal then they couldn't compete. No way in hell could chicks that are strung out compete against that. It's what its like here.[/QUOTE]A2 your are exactly correct. No addict will ever change until they want to. They either hit rock bottom and consciously decide to get help or they die feeding their habit. You can offer a million dollars to any addict to quit but they will spend it away and then start up again if they haven't made that conscious decision to quit. Yes addicts can go into recovery and it lasts if they want it to last. Addicts will lie, cheat, steal, rob, deceive even kill to continue feeding their habit. Addiction is the greediest of all the possessions and it's far beyond the dictates of basic survival and comfort. HL29 congrats on your recovery, one day at a time, I hope tomorrow is as clean as today!

BuyingSmiles there are many reasons addicts first used: home environment, peer pressure, the pain of life for what ever reason, recreational use gone haywire and for many just being young. We all did things in our youth that were bad for us but we never considered the consequences at the time because we thought we were invincible. If you didn't then congrats to you. Most young people, and this describes many of the current younger providers who are addicts, started because they thought they were invincible and "IT", being an addict, wouldn't happen to them. I guess the "Just Say No" slogan didn't sink in, never thought it would. Sure they may have been Dumbasses at the time but we all have done Dumbass things in our life that we regret, except maybe you. With addicts the regrets become permanent. As an addict friend told me, "I have one relapse left in my life, but no recoveries because I know the relapse will kill me. ".

A2 your understanding of poverty is very true. I myself have never experienced what you have so I bow to your wisdom and life experience. My only experience was when I was married, now thankfully divorced, to a lady who was raised in a upper class family in a South American country. The one thing I noticed about her was her "Class Prejudice". She was blind to color and race but her prejudice towards lower class citizens was as bad as slavery in the US. She treated them the same. They could be her maid, clean cook and take care of the children but they could never be the same as she was. It was like their sole was different. Poverty dumbs the mind, sole, body, reasoning and the ability to change as bad as drug use. Being saturated in poverty is the same as being born a crack baby who is bottle fed formula mixed with cocaine. The baby grows up an addict not knowing any other type of life.

The only thing I disagree with is that legalizing the sex trade will stop junkies from selling sex. Just like in Colorado there is legal pot and then there is still the black market pot. The reason is supply and demand. Legal pot is higher priced and visible to the public, illegal pot is cheaper and behind closed doors. If the sex trade was legalized in the US then junkies would only turn into the cheaper version. You can see it now in the difference between established providers and the streetwalkers. Some top providers turn into streetwalkers in time because of age and drug abuse. Junkies will always sell sex for a fix, that won't change until the supply of the addicts fix is eradicated and the possibility of that is extremely slim because of supply and demand.

Amon777 Yes you can have your junkies all to yourself. Please PM me your list of favorites because I don't want to risk seeing them. I am not being sarcastic or trying to pick a fight with you. I don't like golden or brown showers but if someone else does, then go for it! Whatever floats your boat is ok with me, it's your choice. I'm happy that you can use H as a recreational drug. I just hope that you realize that you are feeding the pockets of a drug dealer that may have already or in the future sell to your children, niece, nephew or someone you love and they may have a Dumbass day and try it and may not be able to stop for a long time or ever. I do my best, sometimes I miss one, to not feed the hands that may one day make an addict out of a loved one. That's my choice.

FF.

P.S. I have thought about bringing along a drug test kit for all the freckled provider appointments I make. I think I will call it the freckle test!

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2687322]A2 your are exactly correct. No addict will ever change until they want to. They either hit rock bottom and consciously decide to get help or they die feeding their habit. You can offer a million dollars to any addict to quit but they will spend it away and then start up again if they haven't made that conscious decision to quit. Yes addicts can go into recovery and it lasts if they want it to last. Addicts will lie, cheat, steal, rob, deceive even kill to continue feeding their habit. Addiction is the greediest of all the possessions and it's far beyond the dictates of basic survival and comfort. HL29 congrats on your recovery, one day at a time, I hope tomorrow is as clean as today!

BuyingSmiles there are many reasons addicts first used: home environment, peer pressure, the pain of life for what ever reason, recreational use gone haywire and for many just being young. We all did things in our youth that were bad for us but we never considered the consequences at the time because we thought we were invincible. If you didn't then congrats to you. Most young people, and this describes many of the current younger providers who are addicts, started because they thought they were invincible and "IT", being an addict, wouldn't happen to them. I guess the "Just Say No" slogan didn't sink in, never thought it would. Sure they may have been Dumbasses at the time but we all have done Dumbass things in our life that we regret, except maybe you. With addicts the regrets become permanent. As an addict friend told me, "I have one relapse left in my life, but no recoveries because I know the relapse will kill me. ".

A2 your understanding of poverty is very true. I myself have never experienced what you have so I bow to your wisdom and life experience. My only experience was when I was married, now thankfully divorced, to a lady who was raised in a upper class family in a South American country. The one thing I noticed about her was her "Class Prejudice". She was blind to color and race but her prejudice towards lower class citizens was as bad as slavery in the US. She treated them the same. They could be her maid, clean cook and take care of the children but they could never be the same as she was. It was like their sole was different. Poverty dumbs the mind, sole, body, reasoning and the ability to change as bad as drug use. Being saturated in poverty is the same as being born a crack baby who is bottle fed formula mixed with cocaine. The baby grows up an addict not knowing any other type of life.

The only thing I disagree with is that legalizing the sex trade will stop junkies from selling sex. Just like in Colorado there is legal pot and then there is still the black market pot. The reason is supply and demand. Legal pot is higher priced and visible to the public, illegal pot is cheaper and behind closed doors. If the sex trade was legalized in the US then junkies would only turn into the cheaper version. You can see it now in the difference between established providers and the streetwalkers. Some top providers turn into streetwalkers in time because of age and drug abuse. Junkies will always sell sex for a fix, that won't change until the supply of the addicts fix is eradicated and the possibility of that is extremely slim because of supply and demand.

Amon777 Yes you can have your junkies all to yourself. Please PM me your list of favorites because I don't want to risk seeing them. I am not being sarcastic or trying to pick a fight with you. I don't like golden or brown showers but if someone else does, then go for it! Whatever floats your boat is ok with me, it's your choice. I'm happy that you can use H as a recreational drug. I just hope that you realize that you are feeding the pockets of a drug dealer that may have already or in the future sell to your children, niece, nephew or someone you love and they may have a Dumbass day and try it and may not be able to stop for a long time or ever. I do my best, sometimes I miss one, to not feed the hands that may one day make an addict out of a loved one. That's my choice.

FF.

P.S. I have thought about bringing along a drug test kit for all the freckled provider appointments I make. I think I will call it the freckle test![/QUOTE]But none of them are good reasons to decide to stick that needle in your vein. I agree that these are reasons people use, but It is my opinion, that anyone using those excuses, is a Dumbass. I understand that once addicted, the choice is removed from the equation. One does not choose to remain addicted. One does how ever choose to not seek help. Prior to becoming addicted, there was a choice though. When life has a person down, depressed or maybe just looking to party it up, they made a choice. I'm not saying they woke up and said hey I'm going to become an addict today. At some point though, for what ever reason they have, they came face to face with the drug. At that time, they decided it was a good idea to do it. And that's when I say the were the dumbass.

I did not say, that I have never done dumb things. Many times in my life, I was a dumbass and the conequences that followed were a direct result of, me being a dumbass. I was young and invincible, I've had the peer pressure and I've had times when life was miserable & I've been depressed to the point that it all seemed like it would never get better. I never once thought that heroin was a good alternative.

[QUOTE=FreckleFreak;2687322]The only thing I disagree with is that legalizing the sex trade will stop junkies from selling sex. Just like in Colorado there is legal pot and then there is still the black market pot. The reason is supply and demand. Legal pot is higher priced and visible to the public, illegal pot is cheaper and behind closed doors. If the sex trade was legalized in the US then junkies would only turn into the cheaper version. You can see it now in the difference between established providers and the streetwalkers. Some top providers turn into streetwalkers in time because of age and drug abuse. Junkies will always sell sex for a fix, that won't change until the supply of the addicts fix is eradicated and the possibility of that is extremely slim because of supply and demand.[/QUOTE]Sure junkies will want to sell sex, what I wonder is will anybody want to buy it.

Guaranteed if prostitution became legal in the US prices would drop at all levels. You guys are in Cincy, if some cutie from Chicago can fly to Cincy and make in a long weekend what she makes in two or three months in Chicago and have a very limited chance of having somebody she knows walk in the door? Fuck, all the 20 some pussy in the world is going to be doing at 100 an hour.

I know because I see that here. The paco addicts sell BJ's in the street and at truckstops for 10 bucks but that's a niche clientele. The vast majority of the 30,000 working girls in this city are 20-40 year old hotties.

This was yesterday about 60 bucks for an hour of inspired service.

[URL]http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/tashi_15-5023-9236_14715.htm[/URL]

They may want to sell it but given that choice who but junkie chasers will be buying?

If a woman is hot enough anywhere on drugs or not she can make money because all one has to do is read the boards and guys have seen them and will see them again because they are hot and will give them what they want. No disrespect or arguments meant It is posted on this board that guys will see junkies, girls or those who don't show girls who have bad business practices because they are hot and usually will lower their needs somewhat to make bens. You have such hot women where you are but I do agree that if they legalized it in this country guys could be grinning from ear to ear a lot more. Lived in Europe for 10 years and more psy there than one can imagine for so much less and they make a good living doing it. JMO for WIIW.

Thanks, ESPN magazine, for the creepy clown cover.

I'm off to Carolina to cheer for the other undefeated team (at least the ones that like their balls at full pressure.).

About the heroin.

Are you all just noticing this shit this year? Because it's on the news or something?

Because the last time I checked, heroin was killing great musicians decades before I was born.

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the methadone clinics?

Legal heroin at welfare prices.

[blue]Mostly because heroin comes and goes. Since the invasion of Afghanistan it's exploded into the USA and Europe.

A2[/blue]

[QUOTE=Admin2;2687817]Sure junkies will want to sell sex, what I wonder is will anybody want to buy it. They may want to sell it but given that choice who but junkie chasers will be buying?[/QUOTE]Bottom of the barrel filth, that's who. Guess we agree on this point. There will always be a market, it's just the law of supply and demand.

FF.

P.S. Let me know if there are any freckled escorts on BairesGirls. If not, I still might have to make a road trip down south, WOW!

[QUOTE=BigMack;2687869]If a woman is hot enough anywhere on drugs or not she can make money because all one has to do is read the boards and guys have seen them and will see them again because they are hot and will give them what they want. No disrespect or arguments meant It is posted on this board that guys will see junkies, girls or those who don't show girls who have bad business practices because they are hot and usually will lower their needs somewhat to make bens. You have such hot women where you are but I do agree that if they legalized it in this country guys could be grinning from ear to ear a lot more. Lived in Europe for 10 years and more psy there than one can imagine for so much less and they make a good living doing it. JMO for WIIW.[/QUOTE]Question; when you were living in Europe and you were banging the hotties you're talking about did they act like princesses who's shit didn't stink or were they focused on their service?

I just turned this one down because she doesn't do BBBJ's. I respect chicks for whatever limits they set, and I appreciated her honestly with me, but she's pretty hot and I said thanks but no thanks. I did tell her if she changes her mind to please send me a message.

[URL]http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/Adriana_15-3949-8246_14834.htm[/URL]

In case anybody is wondering why I said thanks but no thanks, it's because this chick will do BBBJ and gargle with my jizz.

[URL]http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/Tashi_15-5023-9236_14715.htm[/URL]

And they both charge the same and work on nearly the same block.

There are guys who have been no showed twice and still admit to connecting with the provider the third time just because they were hot. A provider once told me she no showed a guy after he drove three hours from cleveland to see her. After whipping up a bullshit story for him she still is able to milk money from him to this day. It is true guys will still see them regardless of what they do just because they succumb to the power of their pussy. There many who say they refuse to support an addict but I know they will still see them when they are horny LOL.

[QUOTE=BigMack;2687869]If a woman is hot enough anywhere on drugs or not she can make money because all one has to do is read the boards and guys have seen them and will see them again because they are hot and will give them what they want. No disrespect or arguments meant It is posted on this board that guys will see junkies, girls or those who don't show girls who have bad business practices because they are hot and usually will lower their needs somewhat to make bens. You have such hot women where you are but I do agree that if they legalized it in this country guys could be grinning from ear to ear a lot more. Lived in Europe for 10 years and more psy there than one can imagine for so much less and they make a good living doing it. JMO for WIIW.[/QUOTE]