"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1589864]Gentlemen,

As has been remarked upon from several local chapters, there seems to be a startling and dismaying proliferation of babies who are "just checking this out","seeing what's out there","trying this for the first time" etc, etc. Weeding through this radar interference has caused more than its share of frustration for me, and I suspect for others as well. In communicating with MagicRat today, I may have coined a new term to describe these posers: "Maybe Babies" or MBs. Maybe they'll meet you if nothing else comes up. Maybe they'll let you take them out if the price is right. Maybe they only want sugar, and have no intention of sleeping with you. Maybe they will fuck you, but only if you pay them obscene amounts of money. Maybe they will disappear forever after a few dates, telling you it's just not for them. Maybe they'll even go psycho on you, as has happened to me several times recently, and this is not my first rodeo!

I will leave it up to the brotherhood at large to vet my suggestion. I applaud the recent trend to out these naughty MBs by their profile numbers. If a few mistakes are made in the process, so be it. It is then up to the babies to prove us wrong, which is not a bad thing.

Two m&gs tomorrow, and one on Friday that I am really psyched about. Wish me luck.

And keep up the good work,

Scott[/QUOTE]I love the MB-s. Whole lotta work. But to know you are gettin something that is way way off the radar is a serious thrill for me. These girls see a show on the subject and they are like. I want to check that out. Proceed slowly and with charm. Lots of it. You will not flip even half of them. But these are the true non-pros.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1593274]I'm not sure there is any correlation between chubbiness and wanting to be spanked. I first encountered this interest a while back with Polo, who is normal HYM size, and Naughty Britt, also not in the least chubby. Sometimes a baby just needs a spankin', apparently.

Curiously, I am in hot communication with a new baby who tells me that she too likes it rough, but just asks me to keep it within areas that would be covered by clothing! My bloodlines are exclusively Northern European, so any hints on how to channel my inner Antonio Banderas would be appreciated. Polo has taught me the mechnics, but since then she has not raised the issue again with any real enthusiasm. Either I was not really good at it, or she has moved on. I suspect the former.

In other news, I am off again to my favorite fishing hole in the south next week, and am stocked up with undocumented cash, play clothes for Scottie, and a fresh supply of vitamins. Plus, I'm getting paid to be there! Life is good, my brothers.

Magic, I will miss you. Next time.

Scott[/QUOTE]Part of the dynamic of the sd sb relationship in general is that the daddy is very dominant. I have had many different profiles on the sd sites over the years and the one that gets the most responses by far is the one that says I am a dom. I actually do have a mini dungeon in my house and you would be surprised how many of these girls want to be restrained and spanked, forced oral, etc. Mostly first timers. I do go for the younger ones. Because I like the strict teacher role. But any age group is game.

Go to your local toy store and get a few paddles, crops, etc. Go with them even better and watch their eyes light up.

[QUOTE=EasyGoingJ; 1589420]Right after I let my SA lapse I get an email saying I have a message from a baby I had written to months ago but who had a SD at the time, she said it might be ending and she liked my profile and she would let me know if it ended. So I'm thinking / hoping she is ready.

Got my burner CC reloaded but it keeps getting declined when I try to upgrade even though card's 800 # says I have the $. If you have an SA membership and will send a message to this baby for me it would be much appreciated. I only ask because it has been a week trying to straighten this out with no success and would very much like to contact this pot.

Thanks![/QUOTE]This is a common ploy at all dating sites. The moment your membership expires lo and behold the hotties come calling. Don't be fooled. Wait a little longer and they might offer you a free month. At sd4me this is standard operating procedure

Ok I'm new to the world of SB. When I was a few years younger I made the smart choice of investing the money I earned in the military. Now that I'm out, I have been using the returns to buy a few extra's in life. One of them is a SB. It's nice to have a girl, in her 20's letting me use her as my personal toy. Please help me in a few things.

1st.

I took her to the mall a few days ago to buy a new dress for a road trip and dinner. This was supposed to be a nice outing that quickly turned awkward. After 30 min or more of standing in the store holding dresses she picked out to try on, I noticed several people looking at us. I am in my late 30's and she is 21. After a few min I excused myself with a "phone call" and told her I would meet her in the eatery area of the mall. I left her with the credit card and waited till I saw her then we left.

2nd.

She gets jealous of other girls. I explained to her that this is a short term thing, that when she graduates college, she also graduates me. I would seek a new SB and she would go her own way. Also that during her time of the month I would seek entertainment elsewhere. At first she was ok with this. Now she is growing upset when I either go to an outcall, or incall with an escort.

Do any of you guys have advice for me on this?

This is all very basic.

[QUOTE=HappyKampr75;1594280]I took her to the mall a few days ago to buy a new dress for a road trip and dinner. This was supposed to be a nice outing that quickly turned awkward. After 30 min or more of standing in the store holding dresses she picked out to try on, I noticed several people looking at us. I am in my late 30's and she is 21.[/QUOTE]She is 21 and hot and you are 39 with not that good a game. You were buying her clothes at the mall. The situation was obvious and will happen every time especially with female sales clerks.

[QUOTE=HappyKampr75;1594280]After a few min I excused myself with a "phone call" and told her I would meet her in the eatery area of the mall. I left her with the credit card and waited till I saw her then we left.[/QUOTE]Don't do that again (trust her with your credit card.) No matter how many times you turn your back like this and don't get burned you won't know when she has decided this time will be your last time together. During that last time everything will end differently. Give her another opportunity and that time just might be the trigger for your last time.

[QUOTE=HappyKampr75;1594280]She gets jealous of other girls. I explained to her that this is a short term thing, that when she graduates college, she also graduates me. I would seek a new SB and she would go her own way. Also that during her time of the month I would seek entertainment elsewhere. At first she was ok with this. Now she is growing upset when I either go to an outcall, or incall with an escort. Do any of you guys have advice for me on this?[/QUOTE]It is good to be truthful with women. Realize women are jealous of other women by nature. It goes with the territory. It sounds like the next time you trust her with your credit card you won't see either again.

Enjoy her while she is around and always keep your powder dry.

[QUOTE=HappyKampr75; 1594280]Ok I'm new to the world of SB. When I was a few years younger I made the smart choice of investing the money I earned in the military. Now that I'm out, I have been using the returns to buy a few extra's in life. One of them is a SB. It's nice to have a girl, in her 20's letting me use her as my personal toy. Please help me in a few things.

1st.

I took her to the mall a few days ago to buy a new dress for a road trip and dinner. This was supposed to be a nice outing that quickly turned awkward. After 30 min or more of standing in the store holding dresses she picked out to try on, I noticed several people looking at us. I am in my late 30's and she is 21. After a few min I excused myself with a "phone call" and told her I would meet her in the eatery area of the mall. I left her with the credit card and waited till I saw her then we left.

2nd.

She gets jealous of other girls. I explained to her that this is a short term thing, that when she graduates college, she also graduates me. I would seek a new SB and she would go her own way. Also that during her time of the month I would seek entertainment elsewhere. At first she was ok with this. Now she is growing upset when I either go to an outcall, or incall with an escort.

Do any of you guys have advice for me on this?[/QUOTE]Dude I am 58 and date on average 22 year olds. You think I give a shit about people staring. First of all why is she showing you dresses. You pick out the dress that gets you off. End of story. Never give a girl your cc. Never. She gets jealous? Drop her tomorrow. On her period. Thats just a great time to practice her oral skills. This girl wants a bf. Not a sd.

[QUOTE=HappyKampr75; 1594280]I left her with the credit card and waited till I saw her then we left.

Do any of you guys have advice for me on this?[/QUOTE]Yes, have your credit card company reissue your card with a new number. Even if she gave the card back to you, it doesn't mean she didn't write down all of the info.

My Advice.

It it obvious she cannot handle the realities of the situation. I understand your sense of honesty, but in this case, you don't gain anything by being honest. There isn't a reason to bring these items up. Enjoy the moment and enjoy the time with her. It's important that she believe the dream and is able to fully get herself into the fantasy that comes with this type of relationship. So either avoid talking about certain topics or lie about them.

You are not trying to marry her and who wants to know the exact end date of relationship. Even if you know, you will have much more fun the happier she is and the more blissfully ignorant you keep her. I'd rather have months or years of great awesome sex with a young hottie and just deal with the fall-out of a sudden break-up. If you are smart, it doesn't even have to be sudden, once she graduates, she may drop you. But always consider the words and the positives and negatives that come with them. In this case a happy blissfully ignorant SB will keep you happier longer.

On the first part, why the hell do you care what other people think? Dude get over it. Especially since the age difference is so small. I'd rather people that don't know me think I'm up to something as opposed to the negatives that come with giving a SB my credit card. I'm guessing that also means you are not using a pseudo either. So, now she has your information, credit card info, real name, etc. You are no longer in a position of control and that's not a good place to be with certain SBs. My money and my private life are much more important to me than what some people I don't know think about me. And even if they were right, that's cool too!

Ditto HollyWood!

BigTigg...out!

[QUOTE=HappyKampr75; 1594280]Ok I'm new to the world of SB. When I was a few years younger I made the smart choice of investing the money I earned in the military. Now that I'm out, I have been using the returns to buy a few extra's in life. One of them is a SB. It's nice to have a girl, in her 20's letting me use her as my personal toy. Please help me in a few things.

1st.

I took her to the mall a few days ago to buy a new dress for a road trip and dinner. This was supposed to be a nice outing that quickly turned awkward. After 30 min or more of standing in the store holding dresses she picked out to try on, I noticed several people looking at us. I am in my late 30's and she is 21. After a few min I excused myself with a "phone call" and told her I would meet her in the eatery area of the mall. I left her with the credit card and waited till I saw her then we left.

2nd.

She gets jealous of other girls. I explained to her that this is a short term thing, that when she graduates college, she also graduates me. I would seek a new SB and she would go her own way. Also that during her time of the month I would seek entertainment elsewhere. At first she was ok with this. Now she is growing upset when I either go to an outcall, or incall with an escort.

Do any of you guys have advice for me on this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1593450]This is a common ploy at all dating sites. The moment your membership expires lo and behold the hotties come calling. Don't be fooled. Wait a little longer and they might offer you a free month. At sd4me this is standard operating procedure[/QUOTE]I tried to get into my SA mail this weekend and discovered my subscription had lapsed. This morning in my email, there were at least ten or twelve winks, messages, etc. Waiting for me. None were anywhere near central VA. Most were from the Philippines, Eastern Europe, South and Central America! So I'll take your advice and hold off re-uping and wait for the free month offer. Good advice.

Allseasonlvr

[QUOTE=AllSeasonLv; 1594706]I tried to get into my SA mail this weekend and discovered my subscription had lapsed. This morning in my email, there were at least ten or twelve winks, messages, etc. Waiting for me. None were anywhere near central VA. Most were from the Philippines, Eastern Europe, South and Central America! So I'll take your advice and hold off re-uping and wait for the free month offer. Good advice.

Allseasonlvr[/QUOTE]Sd4me will offer the free month. SA will not.

[QUOTE=BigTigger; 1594687]My Advice.

It it obvious she cannot handle the realities of the situation. I understand your sense of honesty, but in this case, you don't gain anything by being honest. There isn't a reason to bring these items up. Enjoy the moment and enjoy the time with her. It's important that she believe the dream and is able to fully get herself into the fantasy that comes with this type of relationship. So either avoid talking about certain topics or lie about them.

You are not trying to marry her and who wants to know the exact end date of relationship. Even if you know, you will have much more fun the happier she is and the more blissfully ignorant you keep her. I'd rather have months or years of great awesome sex with a young hottie and just deal with the fall-out of a sudden break-up. If you are smart, it doesn't even have to be sudden, once she graduates, she may drop you. But always consider the words and the positives and negatives that come with them. In this case a happy blissfully ignorant SB will keep you happier longer.

On the first part, why the hell do you care what other people think? Dude get over it. Especially since the age difference is so small. I'd rather people that don't know me think I'm up to something as opposed to the negatives that come with giving a SB my credit card. I'm guessing that also means you are not using a pseudo either. So, now she has your information, credit card info, real name, etc. You are no longer in a position of control and that's not a good place to be with certain SBs. My money and my private life are much more important to me than what some people I don't know think about me. And even if they were right, that's cool too!

Ditto HollyWood!

BigTigg. Out![/QUOTE]I am obviously so girl addicted I couldn't lie if I wanted to. LOL.

I'm not sure if it came out the right way. I meant to say "Ditto what Hollywood said!"

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1594985]I am obviously so girl addicted I couldn't lie if I wanted to. LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1594371]Dude I am 58 and date on average 22 year olds. You think I give a shit about people staring.[/QUOTE]I can certainly respect the guys who feel this way and live where they can carry it off. But this ain't Hollywood; many of us live in small-town-bible-belt style America and have public lives. I'm noticing that it's becoming pretty rare that I go anywhere around here without running into someone I have social / civic connections to. Doing that with a girl half my age (that isn't one of my daughters) could be a real problem for me, and I'm not married. The married brothers here have even less freedom in that way than I do.

A lot of these younger babies simply don't grasp that. The media has pushed this titillating image of sugar relationships being all about a rich guy showering some sexy young girl with gifts and taking her to expensive places and fancy events on his arm, and more and more of this latest generation of younger SBs have swallowed that myth hook, line and sinker. When you explain to them how this really works, they get offended, not only because they don't want to feel like a hooker but because they feel lied to, either by you or by Dr. Phil.

I've pretty much given up on anything younger than 30. They may not always have that tight young body, but they know how the world actually turns and are far more realistic. They also tend to be less demanding financially, and they appreciate it more.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1594687]It it obvious she cannot handle the realities of the situation. I understand your sense of honesty, but in this case, you don't gain anything by being honest. There isn't a reason to bring these items up. Enjoy the moment and enjoy the time with her. It's important that she believe the dream and is able to fully get herself into the fantasy that comes with this type of relationship. So either avoid talking about certain topics or lie about them.[/QUOTE]Well, I can certain sympathize with not raising the subject, I'm not convinced actively lying about something like that is going to be productive. I personally have a preference for as much honesty as possible. I'll withhold information and proclaim "none of your business", but I don't see any reason to lie to her.

As for an expiration date, I might not have been as blunt as the OP on the subject, but neither would I have made any secret of it, especially if it was important to me, which I can't honestly say it would be. My experience has no doubt left me biased, but I'd want to maintain a worthwhile relationship for as long as possible, and not place any bounds on it. As I've told my SB on multiple occasions, one or the other of us will know when it's over, so don't be afraid to address it when it happens.

Again, I've had a total of [I]one [/I]sugar baby in my entire life, and it's lasted longer than many others' here apparently have, so mine might not be the most strategically correct opinion on this subject.

[QUOTE=BigTigger;1594687]On the first part, why the hell do you care what other people think? Dude get over it.[/QUOTE]As a married man, I think I can probably answer that one. I don't want to be noticed, and to be frank, she doesn't really want to be seen with me in public, either. One of the reasons neither of us complains about the long drive we have to meet is because it's less likely that we'll meet someone who knows us. Not impossible, but less likely.

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Interesting conversation.

I'm in my 30s and I can still pass for late 20s on a good day, so it doesn't look too out of place when I'm in public with a young 20 something SB.

However, since I'm married I do have to be careful about being out in public with a young women too close to home. You guys heard me complaining a month or so ago about wanting a SB in my local area. But now I appreciate having a SB that's over a hour away in a city I have no ties to. It means I can take her out without having to stress about being spotted by someone I know.

All the other advice given by the members here is sound. But don't worry, I made some similar mistakes with my first SB. I also gave my real identity to my first SB. I got lucky that she was a girl who was from a rich family and she just wanted to be pampered and go shopping since her parents reduced her allowance. She had no interest in blackmailing me since it was a good chance her parents made more than me. LOL.

But yes, clothing shopping can be a bit awkward at times. Especially if the store is cramped and there's no place to sit. Then you're just following her around as a moving clothing rack. It's always a lot more fun when you can pick out the outfits for her, but most girls will still want to buy a couple of outfits that match their own taste.

BTW, has anyone ever got it on in a dressing room? I saw some porn with some couples getting it on in a dressing room (mostly Europeans) and I was wondering if any members here have attempted it with their SB in a department store? I wonder if that fantasy is feasible or if I should just let it die.