Handling the Poetry Reading Fee
[QUOTE=MiniMan21;2680574]Yesterday, I met with a WSW named Chrissy. She was waiting by the book store, so I picked up and we had our date. After a little bit of small talk and a LEO check, I got a bbbjws. It was unrushed and she seams to enjoy enjoy what she does. (That's what I want to believe). LOL. The only mistake that I did wrong, was to put all my funds in one pocket. So of course their was a upcharged after the agreed upon price. Lesson learn. So what do you guys think about tipping after getting good service? Yes / No or only when it is asked?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report! Nice to see the newer members posting.
Yeah, looks like you learned a valuable lesson. The key is what lesson was learned? The streets have a way of teaching you if you haven't learned a head of time. Reading threads here and asking questions can be a "cheaper" and safer method of learning. Mongering looks easy, safe mongering is far from it. I'm just sayin'.
But no worries. We all went through these "learning experiences" and (don't let anyone tell you otherwise) periodically run into a new "learning experience" despite experience, knowledge and techniques. The streets are always evolving and "teaching" is part of the game.
But let me ask this - [B]How did you get an up charge?[/B] I think there are several lessons to be had here.
Way I see it, you agree on a fee for the girl to read some poetry. She reads the poetry with passion and eroticism. You are satisfied. You hand over the agreed upon fee. End of story. Oh sure, the girl might see your big wad and expect or ask for more. But once the poetry reading is done, she has lost all leverage. She is entitled to what was agreed and that is it. Give it to her and if she protests too much, kick her out!
The point is girls need cash and are expert at extracting it from you. One of the tough monger lessons for me was learning how to be FIRM yet polite and kind at the same time. I learned that being wishy washy, indecisive or showing weakness was a recipe for "drama. " Girls on the street could sense my fear, indecision or whatever and they pounced on it in a heart beat, to my detriment.
So I developed some thick skin and some "techniques" for handling situations. First, I always go out knowing what I am looking for. Being "opportunistic" on a whim never worked for me. If I was unprepared it showed and the girl was more prepared. So knowing what the standard rates are for poetry reading, I go out with that amount in my pocket. In another pocket I have a "no thank you" amount $5 - $10. That way if drama starts I can hand over a small amount and diffuse a potentially dangerous situation or get a girl who is a PIA out. Now I might have additional funds, but they are stashed away. [I]{see Rules #17 & #18 of the 22 Rules for Street Mongering}[/I] Also, I am NEVER afraid to just kick the girl out. This is the ultimate leverage. You show a willingness to "book" (walk away) and she has to decide to either get reasonable or get back out in the cold. She has to decide if a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush? I have foud, that if that doesn't sober them up, I don't want to date them anyway.
So with a girl who is adamant about poetry reading up front, one has a decision. Either kick her out or try some techniques, BOTH require use of the BIG head first. So one technique is to show the girl that you have the money. Hold firmly and fan it out so she can see it is the agreed amount. Then promptly put it away. This usually satisfies the girls that have been ripped off by dudes who have no cash on them. If that doesn't work seriously consider finding another girl. After all as F'ed up as the streets are, there still needs to be some level of trust. If she can't trust you or her, are you really going to trust her with your prized book of poems? With an in call date one can place the fee out in open and make sure they stay between the fee and the girl, but in a car situation there is usually no where to place it that can't be reached as your loose focus.
Another technique, I learned from a now-departed monger on these threads (fbtom), was called the "Rule of Fifths". He would give the girl 1/5th of the fee up front, a second 5th when at the spot or room, a 3rd fifth when all were comfortable. The point was he enticed a reluctant girl along. Girls just want to see that your are going to pay and not stiff them. Again, if this isn't working and the girl is getting agitated or escalating, one can always toss her and cut the loss short.
So, yeah. Something as "easy" as a street scoop can have a bunch of risks and different methods for managing those risks.
Now as far as tipping goes. Sure that is always appropriate for good service. If you do that you will gain points with the girl and she'll be glad to see you again. So some day you might be the third car in line at the curb making a play for the girl. If you are a tipper she might walk past the other two cars and jump in yours!
So good luck and stay safe!
Example of a Good Newbie Poster
[QUOTE=MiniMan21;2681733]First I would like to thank you for providing me with all of this valuable information. [/QUOTE]You are welcome. When I was new, posters here helped me out, so hopefully I'm paying back or is it now called paying forward?
[QUOTE=MiniMan21;2681733] I like you idea of ⅕ payment as I may incorporate this technique into my strategy.[/QUOTE]Wish I could take credit for that idea, all of the glory goes to [B]fbtom[/B] a monger that was around here years ago. I learned a lot from him, he was an amazing dude! He could "develop" an UTR girl in a bar, the cashier in Rite Aid or while standing in line at Wawa!
[QUOTE=MiniMan21;2681733]
Another lesson I have learned from reading you post as well as from the other members on here, is to carry smaller forms of payment. I have recently started to do this as I have learned the hard way.[/QUOTE]Hopefully your experience will be a lesson to others, so they don't have to learn the hard way! Thanks for posting it!
[QUOTE=MiniMan21;2681733] As a new member, I am trying to contributing to the forums by writing reviews, since it appears to be an annoyance to senior member by new members just asking questions. [/QUOTE]Er, if I gave this impression, then I apologize. My Bad. What IS irritating is newbies asking for recommendations on girls. For example. Give me ABC's number. When they have no posts or have contributed nothing. But you didn't do that, you contributed and shared.
Now let me be clear [U]It is OK to ask questions about mongering techniques.[/U] I think people don't mind helping out. One caveat however, you need to do some basic homework like read the 22 Rules. When I was new, I came here, read the threads, read the 22 Rules, watched the Busted video, etc. And then began posting. When I was confused, I would say, "Hey I tried XYZ from Rule #10 but it didn't work, this is what happened. What do I do?" That got lots of help as it showed I had done some ground work, also had tried "Book knowledge" on the streets and needed help.
I don't think anyone minds helping if the person is trying. You are clearly trying. It is those that look like they just want to be spoon fed. (I have some friends that are teachers and they tell me an increasing number of students want the teacher to open their head and pour in the knowledge: [I]Why do I have to do homework? Why do I have to read a textbook? [/I]).
Looks like you are one of those that is doing the work to learn! So the above caution doesn't apply to you.
[QUOTE=MiniMan21;2681733]New member should read the forums. I forget the person name on here, but he say you should read a least 6 month of this thread. For me, I read about 1 year in philly, some in Jersey, and a little bit in other states. [/QUOTE]Good for you! Well done! Nice to see you are learning the "easy" way!
[QUOTE=MiniMan21;2681733]This part of the message is for the person who wanted someone to find all the street maps for all 50 states. Thats way too much searching for me. I am still learning how to use the search box effectively, but I usually find what I want. I have seen the maps for Philly and south jersey.[/QUOTE]That was me! LOL. Finding those country wide stroll maps is not easy, in fact, it is nearly PhD level stuff. The section they are in is a bit confusing as we are talking about SWs and not amateurs. That said, what is important is that it sounds like you found the Philly Stroll Maps. It wasn't too hard was it? Just scroll down the Philly "index" page.
I am glad to help those that show they are trying. (I'm sure others feel that way too.) You did that when you posted an experience that had some rough edges. That is different from asking for information that, if it were a snake, would have bitten you! Asking questions about "techniques" is always welcome. L
On a side note: MiniMan21 had the decency to come back and show some appreciation for the help he revived from posters here. That built him some decent cred and I'm sure other noticed and will be more willing to help in the future.
Nice finds on the path seldom tread
Ok so I have made a few posts on this side of the river and on the other. I'm by no means a Rookie to the sport just have not been posting much. I like to do my homework and research. Almost every city has more than one stroll you may have a main one which Kensington is most definitely for Philly but there has to be others. The issue with a main stroll is that inevitably Uncle LEO knows it as well and adjusts accordingly. What's a monger to do? Why improvise and adapt!
Girl#1 The street name was Angel she was perhaps 5'1 nice legs as she was wearing a skirt and stockings. Brunette with ok booty but not much up top though (breasts and brains) Nice BBJ was had I'd rate it at a solid 7 on the scale she tried though. She looks to be in her early 20's kind of a cheerleader look going on. She hangs with a real cutie LSW with a nice booty have not sampled it and no she does not have working digits. This was almost 2 weeks ago.
Girl #2 Her name is April and she is about 5'3 brunette (I like brunette a what do you want?) and Italian. She has a nice booty and hips on her. It is what got my attention I had seen her yesterday and thought civvie but then saw her talking to another girl that I knew worked. Saw her today and made the dismounted scoop. She did an LE check right where I picked her up that made me a little nervous but I loved the huge DD tits she revealed! Went to a spot and she tries for an up sell from. 20 roses for a song to. 25 . I initially refused to which she was cool but after she started the song and revealed the quality of her vocals I upgraded for. 10 roses for a deep vocal session with a full tummy on her part at the end. She has a nice body and like a 6 or 7 face on the SW scale. I have contact info for this one but only certain members will get it and I will determine that so don't blow up my inbox.
Girl #3 Blonde didn't really see her height but she usually hangs with a big booty brunette friend who was my real target. Made the dip but when I came back plan be was all that was there. I had seen this duo numerous times before and even though I got the eye it was difficult to make contact. I scooped up Plan be as the little head was thinking. We go to a spot and for. 20 tuition I get a BBJ. Her skills were good she gave me deep vocals with no coaching and almost threw up on me once I think but I had a good time. She is spinner type so not really my type not really any tits so to speak of and little to no booty but pretty in her early to mid 20's. I want her friend but I digress.
I have been at this spot for going on 3 weeks intermittently and I can say that it is a target rich environment with patience. I have seen many cuties that I passed on but plan to go back for. Again I will share with seniors I choose so do not BLOW UP MY INBOX!
Looking for a friend with benefits
Had a cute girl I was seeing who dropped off the radar. She was always a UTR but would sometimes hit the K. Early 20's, petite, red hair shoulder length. Where's glasses sometimes. Names Tara. If anyone's seen her lately shoot me a PM. Thanks.
Does anyone Know what happened to Isabel?
A young blonde who used to hang out at Huntington Station?
[QUOTE=JayCurvedLeft;2689015]Around 3 am I was driving under the El and drove by the 7 11 and saw a thick BSW with white pants fat ass so I go down the next block and come back up and see her going down another street (I knew she was working because a couple nights ago I seen her but disappeared before I could catch her) so she hops in says her name's Angela. OK face average rack again big ass So I ask what she wants for FS (I'm a sucker for a fat ass and had to sample it) she says 25 so I ride around and find a block with garages and park next to a garage where there was a dark corner we could get out and do it (I'm a big guy so doing it in the car only work for smaller chicks and a ass that big I need room) she gives me a CBJ to get me hard while I rub her so trying to put it in was a little difficult combination of her size and being tight so I started getting soft so she gives me more head til I'm ready so after spreading her cheeks I get in and didn't take long especially with her moaning and groaning luckily no one lived on the end of the block we were on with the noise she was making. I finish and drop her off near westmoreland and she walked from there. I asked for the digits since she answered the phone saying her kid was calling but she said it's her brothers phone so that was that. I'd see her again but I'd get a BJ which for the short time she did it she has skills.[/QUOTE]
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Adding a Report vs Reply to A Report
[QUOTE=PARepOman;2691032]A young blonde who used to hang out at Huntington Station?[/QUOTE]Hey PARrepOmMan. Thanks for your recent posts. Much appreciated!
Hey, it is easier to post a new report using the " + Add Report" button than just replying to some unrelated post. I think this site limits the number of characters in a post so if one replies to an unrelated post then all of characters on that post count against your total. Thus it is easier to just add a new report, when it is a new topic.
Also, when replying to a L-O-and-G post often I want to comment on only one point or a couple of sentences. I go into the body of that message I'm replying to and delete the extra text. Hopefully that makes the whole post easier to read. Er, unless one gives style points for brevity. Then I fail!
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Does anyone know this Brittany?
Has anyone seen this Brittany around lately?