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[QUOTE=Quickstraw]Hey guys,
I'm new to this hobby. What is the proper etiquette for tipping? [/QUOTE]Don't feel compelled to tip. This isn't a restaurant where they're making below minimum wage and work for tips.
I rarely tip. When I do it's for exceptional service only, for example if they give me 90 minutes instead of agreed to 60, typically around 20%. I have given end of year/Christmas bonuses to my regulars before.
[QUOTE=Bill Bradsky]I think that train has already left the station. Try not to be there when it happens.[/QUOTE]
It's only a matter of time before Far East gets shut down. Places in public plazas next to busy businesses never last more than a few months. It's almost like they're operating in a shock 'n awe fashion where they're making no bones about the situation, seeing as many clients as possible before the big shut down.
Remember, if you're there when it happens, "I'm just here for a massage. A buddy recommended it... haha.. yeah, it figures he'd send to a place like this.. what a wildman... but, no, they didn't offer me anything."
I was there a few weeks ago.. first time, saw the skinnier girl, sorry I don't remember the name.. she was AWESOME. played me like a fiddle and seemed to have fun doing so.
Second time, a shorter chubbier girl, who was pretty awful. very quick, mechanical, and acted like she hated her job.
Second report,
As you know, I've been going to Evergreen relentlessly trying to get something more... After seeing Ricky for the umpteenth time, same thing as always, but she did finally tease me till i finished myself off. It was pretty nice and what I wanted.
But then something weird happened, when I left the room, she asked me to pay... well, you pay when you get there.. i said "I already paid, remember?" and she gave me a funny look and said "ooooh, ok then." i don't know if she wanted more because she actually let me wack off (oooh thanks so much), but I left her a .2 tip, which I thought was pretty good.
Won't be back in STL for quite awhile, thanks guys for the support!
[QUOTE=Noedger8]It's only a matter of time before Far East gets shut down. Places in public plazas next to busy businesses never last more than a few months. It's almost like they're operating in a shock 'n awe fashion where they're making no bones about the situation, seeing as many clients as possible before the big shut down.
Remember, if you're there when it happens, "I'm just here for a massage. A buddy recommended it... haha.. yeah, it figures he'd send to a place like this.. what a wildman... but, no, they didn't offer me anything."
I was there a few weeks ago.. first time, saw the skinnier girl, sorry I don't remember the name.. she was AWESOME. played me like a fiddle and seemed to have fun doing so.
Second time, a shorter chubbier girl, who was pretty awful. very quick, mechanical, and acted like she hated her job.
Second report,
As you know, I've been going to Evergreen relentlessly trying to get something more... After seeing Ricky for the umpteenth time, same thing as always, but she did finally tease me till i finished myself off. It was pretty nice and what I wanted.
But then something weird happened, when I left the room, she asked me to pay... well, you pay when you get there.. i said "I already paid, remember?" and she gave me a funny look and said "ooooh, ok then." i don't know if she wanted more because she actually let me wack off (oooh thanks so much), but I left her a .2 tip, which I thought was pretty good.
Won't be back in STL for quite awhile, thanks guys for the support![/QUOTE]
If Ricky is doing this and Cindy reads this - then it is probably good bye Ricky.
Hey everyone,
I am new to this guide I use to see Molly about 3/4 yrs back when she was in the city. I had lost her number but thanks to you guy,s I now have her number again. I saw Molly today and had a great time.
I think her skills have improved. her price is right but had hoped for a little more time. I do paln on seeing her again many times.
[QUOTE=Hose Nose]If Ricky is doing this and Cindy reads this - then it is probably good bye Ricky.[/QUOTE]
Hose-
That is kind of ironic since Cindy used to give me the greatest HJs in the old place over on Olive. Now she is the enforcer. What a waste.
[QUOTE=Hose Nose]If Ricky is doing this and Cindy reads this. Then it is probably good bye Ricky.[/QUOTE]Never got Annie to go over the line but her tease kept getting a little bit better and better each time I saw her. She's gone. Hope she's at one of Cindy's other places. Ricky is still around. Two new girls. Rose and Mya are there but, sorry to report Noedger, neither of them generated much tease factor to get excited about or encourage investment. Evergreen continues to be a solid choice for a great massage but now it seems a little less tease and your wasting your time if you want more.
Let's hope Far East manages to stick around for awhile. Jenny won't win a beauty pageant but she's cute in her own way, has the best attitude I've found, and is responsive to her customers.
[QUOTE=Bill Bradsky]Hose-
That is kind of ironic since Cindy used to give me the greatest HJs in the old place over on Olive. Now she is the enforcer. What a waste.[/QUOTE]
others have reported Ricky doing more at Evergreen that what I have. She didn't do anything illegal.. and she never does nor ever has. That's just how the place makes money. That place is a constant parade in and out all day for a reason. Although it will never be shut down, like Far East will, because it's totally legit, they make their dollars from edging the line. Nothing wrong with that, and I'd bet that's what Cindy encourages.
Saw Cindy, and couple changes from last visit, not sure if girl or policy change.
They drywalled two new massage rooms in what used to be an open area. 4 Rooms now.
Went undraped and she quickly put a towel on me, and massage had little teasing. Flipped uncovered, was again covered. Unlike last visits where was offered, had to ask(got a funny look for a sec) and was told $.5
Great vist, great massage and great ending. Not sure if they are tightening policy, if it was just new girl or just me.
I'm catching up on some reports from the past few months. The same week mid July that I discovered Far East, I also decided to try OK Spa in O'Fallon. Talk about the exact opposite of Far East.
1321 W. Highway 50, O'Fallon, IL
7days 9am - 9:30pm; 30 min - $40, 60min - $60
To get to OK Spa, you go take I-64 to the O'Fallon exit and go west on US-50 about a block. It's amongst a few small houses on a side street to the south that you get into by turning at the light next to Taco Bell.
I was met by June and paid her $60 for an hour massage. The house had a couple of rooms with window AC units. Fortunately it was a cool day or I can imagine the place being very warm. I asked for a table shower so we passed through a small kitchen area and with into what must have formerly been a pantry room-very small space. Her table shower was the worst I've had from a technique point of view. At least she used her bare hands (unlike gloves used at Four Season Spa) and she asked first if I wanted everything cleaned. She also asked about my past massage experience and how much I usually paid. I told her it varied depending on the quality of the experience.
I knew for sure this going to be trouble once she started the massage. I can only describe her technique as rough. The worst I've had. After about 15 minutes she had me flip and went straight for the goods, allowing some touching along the way. I was only there about 30 minutes so I decided to only pay her an extra $10 ($40 for 30min house + $30 low-quality tip. $60 I gave her already). She was not pleased but I made it clear to her that I wasn't happy with her and left. I will not be returning.
If you are looking for Asian on the East Side then choice #1 has to be Jenny at Far East as long as they stay open. For a table shower with limited/YMMV menu then try the Four Season. For a full menu I suggest (based on reviews by others) you try VIP or Pink before wasting time here.
I'm catching up on some reports from the past few months. My initial foray into MPs in STL was at Four Season a few months back. I had read mixed reviews on this and some other sites but decided it was a good starting point for someone new to the hobby.
4509 N. Illinois St., Swansea, IL
7days 10am-9pm; 60min = $70
Four Season is a little tricky to find because it is on the back side of some buildings on the SW corner of IL159 & Frank Scott. I went three times before finding a better AMP option at Far East in July. I never scheduled an appointment but the first time she was very cautious at the door. The facility is very nice and she never short-timed me.
On all of my visits I saw Susie, a Korean woman probably in her early 50's with her best looking years behind her. She won't scare you but if you need visual stimulation she is not the one. She had country music playing on the radio, which I asked her to change the next visit.
She provided a decent and thorough TS but they wear big rubber boots and gloves, which takes away from the experience-although comical to look at. One time on a subsequent visit, the mamasan did a lousy TS while Susie was finishing up with another client
She has always provided an excellent massage and walks on your back if you like that. Near the end of my first session we engaged in some non-verbal queues. She was very clear about not asking for a tip. With a little coaxing she uncovered her breast but I haven't asked her to do it again as it didn't add anything to the final experience. In subsequent visits she took care of business right at the flip, allowing 10 minutes of further massage before leaving, which I prefer.
Each time I gave her $30 for the excellent quality massage. Given I was new and Far East wasn't open yet, I don't feel like I wasted my time/$ (at least I didn't go to the rip off Hair & Nail Salon joint at 2712). That being said, Far East is now a much better option and I've since broken into the private options in St. Louis so don't have a compelling need to go back soon.
I just saw these two at the new S.County Locations. Again Samantha's oral skills are very good. Very convent and private location.
They fit the bill for me last night after a afternoon of the Eastside with my buddy Robert on this site. I can say things have loosened up a bit at Penthouse. The privates are way more engaging then in the past. Recently got digits and some great hand to mouth action from some little honey from Nashville.
Kitty's standards have dipped a quite bit, Hollywood still has hot girls and a wild new light show that looks like different colored marbles running along the ground. I don't recommend if your tripping.
Hit Blondie's and my Buddy got hustled real bad. The place has been nicely renovated. Keep your guard up around there - it's always interesting to check out however.
[QUOTE=Brad 243]I just saw these two at the new S.County Locations. Again Samantha's oral skills are very good. Very convent and private location.
They fit the bill for me last night after a afternoon of the Eastside with my buddy Robert on this site. I can say things have loosened up a bit at Penthouse. The privates are way more engaging then in the past. Recently got digits and some great hand to mouth action from some little honey from Nashville.
Kitty's standards have dipped a quite bit, Hollywood still has hot girls and a wild new light show that looks like different colored marbles running along the ground. I don't recommend if your tripping.
Hit Blondie's and my Buddy got hustled real bad. The place has been nicely renovated. Keep your guard up around there - it's always interesting to check out however.[/QUOTE]
Did the hottie from Nashville have a card and a partner (girl) ?
I went and saw Sharon of LSL fame in her new location in South County. Very nice place she has. The massage was wonderful. I can see why she consistently gets good reviews. I've seen Dee, Debbie, Susan and Molly; I think Sharon is definitely a good bargain. She likes to talk, which I actually don't mind. I left there feeling very relaxed and my sore muscles were no more. Highly recommend.
[QUOTE=Noedger8]It's only a matter of time before Far East gets shut down. Places in public plazas next to busy businesses never last more than a few months. It's almost like they're operating in a shock 'n awe fashion where they're making no bones about the situation, seeing as many clients as possible before the big shut down.
Remember, if you're there when it happens, "I'm just here for a massage. A buddy recommended it... haha.. yeah, it figures he'd send to a place like this.. what a wildman... but, no, they didn't offer me anything."[/QUOTE]
[i][b]He who hesitates is lost.
You snooze, you lose.[/i][/b]
There are more aphorisms to toss in here, but those get the point across. The bottom line is I wish I had gone to visit the Far East gals before today.
For today was The Day that the poop hit the fan. The "shock and awe" program met its match.
Details:
I stopped in at 2pm to see what I could see. Armed with some advice from this board and personal suggestions from members I am comfortable speaking with, I was full of positive expectations and the hope that I'd be leaving by 3pm with a smile that would make my office mates wonder about my long, late lunch hour.
Instead there were two casually dressed (jeans and T-shirts and ball caps) young men (30-35 years old, my guess) speaking with one of the gals at the front desk. The husky gatekeeper Far Eastern guy met me at the door and hustled me out of the foyer and into the center "waiting room" as the two dudes kept up a conversation with the mama-san at the desk.
They were only 15 feet from me, no door closed and I could hear everything. It seems there was a complaint from a patron (about two weeks ago, one of the undercover cops said) that he'd been solicited for sexual favors for money. With my heart pounding, I listened a short while longer. "One of your girl's ID was been run by us" (the cops! I now discerned with my lightning quick powers of deduction.... Duh....) and it turns out "she is wanted on an outstanding warrant in Wisconsin for prostitution." The mama-san was on the phone talking uncomfortably with someone -- apparently at the cops' request. She was jibber-jabbering on and on in Chinese (I guess), translating what the police wanted her to say and ask.
After maybe 5 more minutes, when they got to the place where they began talking about shutting down the operation while they investigated, I walked calmly (I hope) out the front door without barely a glance from anyone (two masseuses, Big Dude gatekeeper, and the two casual 5-0 dudes), started my Missouri-plated SUV and found I-64 back to the Show-Me State. They showed me, all right.
Wish I'd have had better luck... On second thought, maybe I did have great luck! Should've gone a few weeks back.
Lesson:
Don't push the envelope, dudes. You don't want your name/pic on anybody's website or blotter.
LTB
LTB,
I'd say that you were very lucky. I happened to be in an establishment in Indianapolis a few years back when the raid came. Scary. I don't think I'd ever gotten dressed so quickly. My masseuse, who had just entered the room and introduced herself, heard them coming in and ran out the back door. When I left the room a few minutes later, every worker was in handcuffs sitting on the floor. The cops looked at me, and said I had better be moving along. Whew.
Glad nothing worse happened, but it sounds like that gem has been polished by our fearless LE. Too easy of a target, really. The real crimes require hard work and can be dangerous.
I'd like the name of anyone who would complain to the police when offered more than a massage...
[Wish I'd have had better luck... On second thought, maybe I did have great luck! Should've gone a few weeks back.
Lesson:
Don't push the envelope, dudes. You don't want your name/pic on anybody's website or blotter.
LTB]