Rants and Raves

We are all big kids and have the ability to make up our own minds based on the evidence we choose to believe.

So. How about we stop trying to convince everyone else that our way is the only way?

If you wish to avoid vaccinations, refuse to wear a mask, and hang out in large crowds, that is your right, but you really don't need to encourage others to do likewise. They can make up their own minds.

If you wish to get vaccinated, wear masks in pubic, and avoid crowds, that is certainly your right as well. We can all meet back here and discuss which side made the smarter decision.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5459437]No, I have not. And why put it in quotes? They are indeed experimental, and by all accounts, you are by definition participating in the Phase III trials of that experiment if you've had the vaccine. And no, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I just don't believe these vaccines have been proven to be safe (in fact, I think the data shows quite the opposite). I also think their effectiveness leaves a lot to be desired. I believe there will be much better vaccines to come.[/QUOTE]Good-luck! I’ll takes my chances with one of the three vaccines over contracting full blown COVID. Worldwide, 3.7billion doses of vaccines issued with 1.04 billion people fully vaccinated with very few health issues. Im good!

These fully vaccinated Democrats can attest to how effective the vaccines are at stopping the spread of the virus, I suppose?

[URL]https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/sixth-member-texas-democratic-delegation-tests-positive-covid-n1274443[/URL]

Looks like that fits with the UK & Israel data of 50% rate, so I'm not sure how that jibes with your idol's statement of this being a pandemic of the unvaccinated? I have to admit it both surprises me and makes me wonder why the other half of the Democrats weren't vaccinated. Maybe some politiicians actually have a mind of their own after all?

Interesting hearing Mr. Wu speak and admit that he erroneously thought he could not spread the virus since he was vaccinated, and so he forewent all the normal precautions such as mask wearing, etc. I guess he'd been listening too much to your idol about how this was a pandemic only for the unvaccinated, and how he was immune. He said now he knows better. This has been common knowledge for a long time, even before the variants starting gaining a foothold here. Again, your idol is spreading disinformation and miseducating people, and doing more harm than good for the purpose of political gain.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5459311]The lockdowns were a disaster...for the USA.

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Which implemented too little, too late, too disparately. There are numerous countries around the world which successfully locked down early, had no major outbreaks, then were subsequently able to reopen earlier and more completely minimizing the economic hit. Trying to avoid a lockdown was not possible, for the simple reality that whenever things got bad enough people voluntarily locked down and ensured businesses would get hit hard economically even if things were "open". The only route to reopening businesses was getting the pandemic under control, which Trumpist USA refused and continues to refuse to do.

Meanwhile the efficacy of vaccines at both massively reducing cases, hospitalizations, and deaths is demonstrated again and again in country after country, state after state. For example:

[url]https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/07/08/unvaccinated-and-partially-vaccinated-virginians-account-for-virtually-all-new-covid-cases-since-december-data-shows/[/url]
From December 29 to June 25,99. 7 percent of new COVID-19 cases have occurred among unvaccinated or partially vaccinated Virginians, according to VDH. Those residents made up 99.3 percent of hospitalizations and 99.6 percent of deaths over the same time period.

The reality is that the data shows that people died of Covid, lockdowns can work if done right, and vaccinations are effective, to some extent even against variant strands that showed up later.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, and good luck to you too! I sincerely hope you are good, and you don't have any long-term issues. Conversely, I'll take my chances with COVID. I'm not that old, have no underlying conditions, am not overweight, and feel the risk / reward is tilted in my favor should I be so unfortunate to contract it. I also feel there are now many more effective treatments that we've since learned about that are not being openly discussed, so the prognosis for recovery is now better than the previous stats indicate (which was already quite good, presuming you did not have underlying conditions).

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5459459]Good-luck! Ill takes my chances with one of the three vaccines over contracting full blown COVID. Worldwide, 3.7billion doses of vaccines issued with 1.04 billion people fully vaccinated with very few health issues. Im good![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5459459]Good-luck! Ill takes my chances with one of the three vaccines over contracting full blown COVID. Worldwide, 3.7billion doses of vaccines issued with 1.04 billion people fully vaccinated with very few health issues. Im good![/QUOTE]But don't forget this mental giant! I personally am fine with people not getting the vaccine. Thins the "stupid" herd.

[URL=https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1418210466656972808]Just another one that really enjoys being on ventilators. Or maybe just deepthroating shit.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5459439]We are all big kids and have the ability to make up our own minds based on the evidence we choose to believe.

So. How about we stop trying to convince everyone else that our way is the only way?

If you wish to avoid vaccinations, refuse to wear a mask, and hang out in large crowds, that is your right, but you really don't need to encourage others to do likewise. They can make up their own minds.

If you wish to get vaccinated, wear masks in pubic, and avoid crowds, that is certainly your right as well. We can all meet back here and discuss which side made the smarter decision.[/QUOTE]I Agree! COVID is now largely a pandemic of the unvaccinated. If the COVID-idiots still think hydro chloroquine, bleach injections and shooting UV lights up the poop shoot will protect them, more power to 'em. Ultimately, COVID will have the last word.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5459672]I Agree! COVID is now largely a pandemic of the unvaccinated. If the COVID-idiots still think hydro chloroquine, bleach injections and shooting UV lights up the poop shoot will protect them, more power to 'em. Ultimately, COVID will have the last word.[/QUOTE]And now you've degenerated into idiocy again. Because someone doesn't agree with you, you have to go to ridiculous extremes and inane childish bathroom type humor. You are aware there are numerous Nobel Prize winners who have spoken out against these vaccines, aren't you? Are you also aware that one of the pioneers of the MRNA technology who is on the FDA advisory panel is questioning the safety of these vaccines? But I guess you're so much smarter than these people are that you can summarily dismiss them all.

Sorry Bullett, I actually agree with you and that's all I ever asked for was to let people think and decide for themselves, and not have an agenda forced upon them. I haven't tried to convince anyone my thinking is the only way, only that I believe it's right for me, and it's my right to choose that way. I believe I've only presented facts for people to consider, because it is their health and their choice after all. FYI, I don't refuse to wear masks, I don't hang out in large crowds, and I don't encourage others to do so. I probably don't fit any of the other stereotypes that many on here would love to shoehorn me in either. That's the problem with politics and those who get caught up in that, they just can't think outside the box, and so they can't imagine anyone else can either.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5459932]And now you've degenerated into idiocy again. Because someone doesn't agree with you, you have to go to ridiculous extremes and inane childish bathroom type humor. You are aware there are numerous Nobel Prize winners who have spoken out against these vaccines, aren't you? Are you also aware that one of the pioneers of the MRNA technology who is on the FDA advisory panel is questioning the safety of these vaccines? But I guess you're so much smarter than these people are that you can summarily dismiss them all.

Sorry Bullett, I actually agree with you and that's all I ever asked for was to let people think and decide for themselves, and not have an agenda forced upon them. I haven't tried to convince anyone my thinking is the only way, only that I believe it's right for me, and it's my right to choose that way. I believe I've only presented facts for people to consider, because it is their health and their choice after all. FYI, I don't refuse to wear masks, I don't hang out in large crowds, and I don't encourage others to do so. I probably don't fit any of the other stereotypes that many on here would love to shoehorn me in either. That's the problem with politics and those who get caught up in that, they just can't think outside the box, and so they can't imagine anyone else can either.[/QUOTE]"You are aware there are numerous Nobel Prize winners who have spoken out against these vaccines, aren't you? Are you also aware that one of the pioneers of the MRNA technology who is on the FDA advisory panel is questioning the safety of these vaccines?

Names? Links?

[QUOTE=MinivanMan;5460009]

Names? Links?[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY[/URL]

[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luc_Montagnier[/URL]

[URL]https://rumble.com/embed/vesn25/?pub=4[/URL]

Another very informative video (short version, with link to a much longer version) from a well-respected internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, and Professor of Medicine at Texas A & M College of Medicine who has testified in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and throughout 2021, in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, Colorado General Assembly, and New Hampshire Senate concerning many aspects of the pandemic response:

[URL]https://rumble.com/vhp8e1-massive-world-renowned-doctor-blows-lid-off-of-covid-vaccine.html[/URL]

Mainstream media has censored most of these, as any information that's not deemed pro-vaccine is immediately censored and banned. Dr's Malone's accounts were even suspsended for speaking out against these vaccines- I'm not sure if that's still the case or not. Everyone should realize that mainstream media is invested in and tied to big pharma, and has a vested interest in pushing this agenda. I'm not sure what's happened to free speech in this country, but we sure don't have it today.

[QUOTE=MinivanMan;5460009]

Names? Links?[/QUOTE]Don't know about Nobel winners, it's become a fucking joke anyway, but, Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1pEtrEr2_s[/URL]

And ex-Gates Foundation vaccinologist Geert Vanden Bossche puts out good info.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PrY-caOyM[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PgIUDn__WU[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eqoCLHH1e8[/URL]

Inventor of PCR testing Kary Mullis explains how PCR testing DONE OVER CERTAIN LEVELS OF CYCLE THRESHOLDS shouldn't be used to test for diseases. When Trump was President, that cycle threshold was exceeded. After Trump, Fauci publicly suggested threshold level be lowered.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwstN_lmum8[/URL]

[URL]https://fullfact.org/online/pcr-test-mullis/[/URL]

You can also look up ex-Pfizer VP Michael Yeadon, who's put out a lot of information as well. There are plenty of very notable, prominent people who come from the vaccine world, that think these vaccines are not safe.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5460343]Don't know about Nobel winners, it's become a fucking joke anyway, but, Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1pEtrEr2_s[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1pEtrEr2_s[/URL]

And ex-Gates Foundation vaccinologist Geert Vanden Bossche puts out good info.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PrY-caOyM[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PgIUDn__WU[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eqoCLHH1e8[/URL]

Inventor of PCR testing Kary Mullis explains how PCR testing DONE OVER CERTAIN LEVELS OF CYCLE THRESHOLDS shouldn't be used to test for diseases. When Trump was President, that cycle threshold was exceeded. After Trump, Fauci publicly suggested threshold level be lowered.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwstN_lmum8[/URL]

[URL]https://fullfact.org/online/pcr-test-mullis/[/URL][/QUOTE]

The average cost of Covid hospitalization exceeds $50k-$100K or MORE by some estimates. Since it's Medical insurance companies bearing the costs of people who had a choice and chose not to get vaccinated, if I were an insurance company, I would be looking into NOT covering care for people who refuse the vaccination without medical grounds. Don't take the shot, pay for your own care. Also, NO life insurance payouts for voluntary unvaxxed deaths. No more subsidies. Problem solved!

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5459439]We are all big kids and have the ability to make up our own minds based on the evidence we choose to believe.

So. How about we stop trying to convince everyone else that our way is the only way?

If you wish to avoid vaccinations, refuse to wear a mask, and hang out in large crowds, that is your right, but you really don't need to encourage others to do likewise. They can make up their own minds.

If you wish to get vaccinated, wear masks in pubic, and avoid crowds, that is certainly your right as well. We can all meet back here and discuss which side made the smarter decision.[/QUOTE]

I'm down for that, so long as they do the same for vaxxed people, including not covering any problems, present and future, caused by the vaccines. The pharma companies have already covered their asses on that, in case you didn't notice with that paperwork you signed, absolving themselves of any responsibility for any health problems that might occur, including death. Take the shot, pay for your own care. No life insurance payouts for voluntary vaxxed deaths and long-term health issues. Problem solved!

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5460569]The average cost of Covid hospitalization exceeds $50k-$100K or MORE by some estimates. Since it's Medical insurance companies bearing the costs of people who had a choice and chose not to get vaccinated, if I were an insurance company, I would be looking into NOT covering care for people who refuse the vaccination without medical grounds. Don't take the shot, pay for your own care. Also, NO life insurance payouts for voluntary unvaxxed deaths. No more subsidies. Problem solved![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5460343]Don't know about Nobel winners, it's become a fucking joke anyway, but, Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1pEtrEr2_s[/URL]

And ex-Gates Foundation vaccinologist Geert Vanden Bossche puts out good info.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-PrY-caOyM[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PgIUDn__WU[/URL]

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eqoCLHH1e8[/URL]

Inventor of PCR testing Kary Mullis explains how PCR testing DONE OVER CERTAIN LEVELS OF CYCLE THRESHOLDS shouldn't be used to test for diseases. When Trump was President, that cycle threshold was exceeded. After Trump, Fauci publicly suggested threshold level be lowered.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwstN_lmum8[/URL]

[URL]https://fullfact.org/online/pcr-test-mullis/[/URL][/QUOTE]Some additional I do on Dr. Malone.

Fact is, people have confirmation bias so hear what they want and find what they need to support their position. The scientific community overwhelmingly acknowledges the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, but there will always be those who disagree. Unfortunately, in this case it could kill you.

[URL]https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd[/URL]

Here is a link to some factual information on the so called vaccines.

[URL]https://videopress.com/v/p8R7ebPy[/URL]

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5460569]The average cost of Covid hospitalization exceeds $50k-$100K or MORE by some estimates. Since it's Medical insurance companies bearing the costs of people who had a choice and chose not to get vaccinated, if I were an insurance company, I would be looking into NOT covering care for people who refuse the vaccination without medical grounds. Don't take the shot, pay for your own care. Also, NO life insurance payouts for voluntary unvaxxed deaths. No more subsidies. Problem solved![/QUOTE]1. Cruise lines, airlines and other crowd venues should jack up the price of tickets and offer 80% discounts for vaccination proof.

2. State should offer 50% discounts on booze and cigarettes for anyone proving vaccination.

Using option 2 would get them to 90% in a month. LOL.

Or, just let them get sick, experience long term covid effects or die off. Like this smart fella:

[URL]https://twitter.com/Cleavon_MD/status/1418524963527667715[/URL]

Sad. But I guess he doesn't have any problems now. Wonder why god didn't help him out, since he was begging for a miracle at the end.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5460569]The average cost of Covid hospitalization exceeds $50k-$100K or MORE by some estimates. Since it's Medical insurance companies bearing the costs of people who had a choice and chose not to get vaccinated, if I were an insurance company, I would be looking into NOT covering care for people who refuse the vaccination without medical grounds. Don't take the shot, pay for your own care. Also, NO life insurance payouts for voluntary unvaxxed deaths. No more subsidies. Problem solved![/QUOTE]Is being a stupid fuck a preexisting condition?

[QUOTE=MinivanMan;5460671]Some additional I do on Dr. Malone.

[/QUOTE]Ok. So he didn't invent the vaccine but invented the mRNA and DNA vaccine core platform technology. That's pretty heavy. I'd listen to him before Fauci, Biden or Trump tells me to inject some experimental drug in my arm designed to attack a man made virus that has mutated so much the original form the drug was designed for no longer exists.

*But don't misunderstand me. I'm not pro or anti vax, but pro free will, freedom of choice and freedom of information. It's my opinion something isn't right about this experimental drug and how it's being forced upon us and how those who offer dissenting opinions are cancelled by the media. If i croak tomorrow, I croak tomorrow. If a year or two from now auto immune and other diseases effect large numbers of those who took the experimental drug, a year or two from now auto immune and other diseases effect large numbers of those who took the experimental drug.

For those vaccinated, the risk of serious illness from the coronavirus and spreading the virus to others is vanishingly low:

[I]As of July 19,2021, more than 161 million people in the United States had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

During the same time, CDC received reports from 49 USA States and territories of 5,914 patients with COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection who were hospitalized or died.

*1,529 (27%) of 5,601 hospitalizations reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.

*292 (26%) of 1,141 fatal cases reported as asymptomatic or not related to COVID-19.[/I]

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/URL]

Of the vaccinated, 4072 hospitalizations were reported as symptomatic due to COVID-19 and 849 fatal cases were reported as symptomatic due to COVID-19.

[B]So, vaccinated people have a 0.0005% chance of hospitalization and a 0.0001% chance of dying from the coronavirus.[/B]

Those percentages are far lower than the risk of being hospitalized with or dying of the seasonal flu. They also represent much less risk than people are willing to take on every day when they drive in their car or engage in a sport. I'll take those odds all day everyday.

Yes, it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated alright:

[URL]https://freewestmedia.com/2021/07/22/vast-majority-covid-19-cluster-in-cape-cod-were-vaccinated/[/URL]

At least 33 people in a nursing home in Yarmouth on Cape Cod have tested positive for SARS-Cov-2. Most of the residents that tested positive were vaccinated, reported the Boston Globe.

Dr. Janet Whelan, a member of the Provincetown Board of Health, confirmed that the vaccinated could be spreading the Coronavirus: "The most interesting thing to me about this cluster of cases is so many of the people infected were vaccinated, which sort of means that a lot of the people that are vaccinated who are exposed to it may feel safe, but may also transmit it to others. ".

The evidence just keeps piling up, contradicting the idiotic statement by the president, spreading disinformation and doing the public a disservice for political gain. But keep believing in your idol and your magical vaccines, like that Democratic Delegation from Texas. Actually I have to retract what I said, because now they say they were all fully vaccinated:

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/us/politics/texas-covid-voting-rights.html[/URL]

"Everybody is scrambling because the realization is hitting that this new strain is among us and is very contagious even among people who are vaccinated," Gina Hinojosa, a state representative from Austin, said.

Apparently the President is the last to know- well, besides some people on here.

State of Vermont, with highest concentration of vaccinated individuals vs State of Alabama, with lowest concentration of vaccinated individuals.

In the last 7 days:

*Alabama recorded 901 COVID cases; Vermont recorded 8 COVID cases.

*Alabama has 65 hospital admissions DAILY due to COVID vs Vermont with ZERO.

*Alabama 41 deaths due to COVID last week vs Vermont with ZERO deaths.

[B]GOP Governor Says Blame the Unvaccinated[/B]

[I]Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) called out the unvaccinated folks for the rise in Covid-19 cases in her state, a remarkable plea at a time when many GOP leaders are refusing to urge people to get vaccinated even as Covid-19 cases surge in many parts of the country.[/I]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5461273]Yes, it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated alright:

[URL]https://freewestmedia.com/2021/07/22/vast-majority-covid-19-cluster-in-cape-cod-were-vaccinated/[/URL]

At least 33 people in a nursing home in Yarmouth on Cape Cod have tested positive for SARS-Cov-2. Most of the residents that tested positive were vaccinated, reported the Boston Globe.

Dr. Janet Whelan, a member of the Provincetown Board of Health, confirmed that the vaccinated could be spreading the Coronavirus: "The most interesting thing to me about this cluster of cases is so many of the people infected were vaccinated, which sort of means that a lot of the people that are vaccinated who are exposed to it may feel safe, but may also transmit it to others. ".

The evidence just keeps piling up, contradicting the idiotic statement by the president, spreading disinformation and doing the public a disservice for political gain. But keep believing in your idol and your magical vaccines, like that Democratic Delegation from Texas. Actually I have to retract what I said, because now they say they were all fully vaccinated:

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/us/politics/texas-covid-voting-rights.html[/URL]

"Everybody is scrambling because the realization is hitting that this new strain is among us and is very contagious even among people who are vaccinated," Gina Hinojosa, a state representative from Austin, said.

Apparently the President is the last to know- well, besides some people on here.[/QUOTE]

A lot of anti-vax propaganda focuses on how low deaths are to downplay how unnecessary vaccines are with modern medicine. It completely ignores the hospital visits that are often needed to survive the diseases and that does nothing to address long term complications from the disease itself.

There is an old saying, "Figures lie and liars figure.

Alabama 2020 population = 5,024,279.

Vermont 2020 population = 643,077.

Per Capita Cases.

Alabama 901/5,024,279 = . 017933%.

Vermont = 8/643,077 = . 001244.

While Alabama may have a higher percent per capita it is miniscule.

Your comment is about as stupid as the KY governor back the end of February when he was complaining that Blacks were disproportionately receiving the vaccine, because they only represented 15% of recipients. The census shows KY is only 8. 5% Black so actually, they were double the white race.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5461348]State of Vermont, with highest concentration of vaccinated individuals vs State of Alabama, with lowest concentration of vaccinated individuals.
In the last 7 days:
*Alabama recorded 901 COVID cases; Vermont recorded 8 COVID cases.
*Alabama has 65 hospital admissions DAILY due to COVID vs Vermont with ZERO.
*Alabama 41 deaths due to COVID last week vs Vermont with ZERO deaths.
[B]GOP Governor Says Blame the Unvaccinated[/B]
[I]Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) called out the unvaccinated folks for the rise in Covid-19 cases in her state, a remarkable plea at a time when many GOP leaders are refusing to urge people to get vaccinated even as Covid-19 cases surge in many parts of the country.[/I][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5461859]There is an old saying, "Figures lie and liars figure.

Alabama 2020 population = 5,024,279.

Vermont 2020 population = 643,077.

Per Capita Cases.

Alabama 901/5,024,279 = . 017933%.

Vermont = 8/643,077 = . 001244.

While Alabama may have a higher percent per capita it is miniscule.[/QUOTE]Math also depends on some vocabulary. If you describe having a 15 times higher chance of catching the disease as "miniscule" then you are correct. I personally think that big a difference is worth being vaccinated. Your choice may vary.

Despite the basic math, what I fear you are ignoring is the effect of the vaccine in significantly reducing the severity of the disease should you get it, not to mention the significant reduction in hospitalizations and near elimination of deaths.

Its your call and your life. Just don't become one of those begging to be vaccinated after it is too late.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5461859]There is an old saying, "Figures lie and liars figure.

Alabama 2020 population = 5,024,279.

Vermont 2020 population = 643,077.

Per Capita Cases.

Alabama 901/5,024,279 = . 017933%.

Vermont = 8/643,077 = . 001244.

While Alabama may have a higher percent per capita it is miniscule.

Your comment is about as stupid as the KY governor back the end of February when he was complaining that Blacks were disproportionately receiving the vaccine, because they only represented 15% of recipients. The census shows KY is only 8. 5% Black so actually, they were double the white race.[/QUOTE]So, by your helpful calculations, the infection rate in Alabama is over 14 times that of Vermont. I would not call that "minuscule. ".

a steep falloff in effectiveness.

"People are sort of raising their eyebrows a bit."

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5462372]a steep falloff in effectiveness.

"People are sort of raising their eyebrows a bit."[/QUOTE]Do you even read the stuff you post? The quote is "apparent steep falloff. " By all means, make your conclusions before the data is analyzed. And even if the Pfizer vaccine turns out to be less effective then initially thought, pleas realize that it is only the number three vaccine used in the US. To allude they are all similarly ineffective is disingenuous at best.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5462440]Do you even read the stuff you post? The quote is "apparent steep falloff. " By all means, make your conclusions before the data is analyzed. And even if the Pfizer vaccine turns out to be less effective then initially thought, pleas realize that it is only the number three vaccine used in the US. To allude they are all similarly ineffective is disingenuous at best.[/QUOTE]Do you even read? I'm not referring to my post, but do you read at all, period? Israel/UK have nationalized medicine. All their data comes into a sole clearinghouse.The data from Israel and UK has been out for a couple weeks and has been analyzed. 50-60% of new cases have been non-vaccine vaxed, 90% of new cases in 50 years old+ have been vaccinated by non vax drug. Fauci's a liar. And the mRNA non-vaccine vaccines are all basically the same.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5461890]

Just don't become one of those begging to be vaccinated after it is too late.[/QUOTE]And don't you become one of those begging,"but I took the non-vaccine vaccine," after it is too late.

[QUOTE=Bullett64;5461890]Math also depends on some vocabulary. If you describe having a 15 times higher chance of catching the disease as "miniscule" then you are correct. I personally think that big a difference is worth being vaccinated. Your choice may vary.

Despite the basic math, what I fear you are ignoring is the effect of the vaccine in significantly reducing the severity of the disease should you get it, not to mention the significant reduction in hospitalizations and near elimination of deaths.

Its your call and your life. Just don't become one of those begging to be vaccinated after it is too late.[/QUOTE]I agree. I think in the end there will be a lot of people with regrets, especially when new variants become tougher to fight.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5462733]And don't you become one of those begging,"but I took the non-vaccine vaccine," after it is too late.[/QUOTE]All reasonable evidence points to the fact that the vaccines do indeed work. You need not believe it Your call. Your life.

If the vaccines do work and you do not get one, you risk serious illness and possible death.

If they don't work, you are no worse off then you were going in. Vaccination gives you the chance to minimize, if not completely avoid the disease. Not getting vaccinated gives you -- nothing.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5462730]Do you even read? I'm not referring to my post, but do you read at all, period? Israel/UK have nationalized medicine. All their data comes into a sole clearinghouse.The data from Israel and UK has been out for a couple weeks and has been analyzed. 50-60% of new cases have been non-vaccine vaxed, 90% of new cases in 50 years old+ have been vaccinated by non vax drug. Fauci's a liar. And the mRNA non-vaccine vaccines are all basically the same.[/QUOTE]In protecting against infection, Pfizer vaccines are 95% effective for the alpha variant but only 64% effective for the delta variant.

In preventing symptomatic COVID-19 cases, Pfizer vaccines are 97% effective for the alpha variant but only 64% effective for the delta variant.

In preventing hospitalization and serious disease, Pfizer vaccines are 97.5% effective for the alpha variant and still 93% effective for the delta variant.

While the Pfizer vaccine is less effective against the delta variant, the vaccine's effectiveness still far exceeds the 50% vaccine efficacy threshold required for WHO approval, according to the organization's website.

"Just because a variant emerges that renders the vaccines less effective doesn't mean those vaccines weren't effective in the first place," according to The Washington Post.

This article [URL]https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/...cinated-people[/URL].

Which acknowledges a significant reducation in effect by Pfizer vaccines against cases in Israel still acknowledges that it is highly effective at preventing hospitalization and serious disease, something important given that Delta might be as much as twice the baseline hospitalization rate of older variants. Meanwhile 2/3 rds protection against spread is still a significant reduction in spread. And yes in the long run we will have to take seasonal vaccines like we do with the flu. Does it eradicate the flu? No. Does it have 90%+ efficacy? Not always. But is it worth it? Yes.

14 times 0. 001 %, big deal. Let's also relook some other scientific fact. Type O Negative have the lease probability of catching and if they do, like my brother, have an extremely mild form of it. Almost as if he had the shot but it was before the vaccine. Another scientific fact, those who have had it and overcame it, have natural immunity and the shot actually does very little to protect them further.

But you keep on drinking the Fauci Koolaid and remember, if we never challenged their science, we would still be smoking whatever cigarette brand the Doctor recommended. Being able to purchase our own cough syrup with cocaine or opium over the counter.

[QUOTE=Wizard22;5462151]So, by your helpful calculations, the infection rate in Alabama is over 14 times that of Vermont. I would not call that "minuscule. ".[/QUOTE]

Its patently clear you received your diploma in statistical analysis from the now defunct trump University. It's kind of funny, if you sit back and think about it, trump was truly the first real COVID experimental Guinea pig in all this. He contracted COVID and it seems he wasn't afraid to take any drug cocktail to treat his COVID infection because he wanted to live. The icing on the cake, stump and his family received the COVID vaccine secretly in January.

Trump humpers when trump was POTUS: we will get the miracle vaccine.

Trump humpers after Biden won: We won't get it.

You just can’t fix stupid!

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5462934]14 times 0. 001 %, big deal. Let's also relook some other scientific fact. Type O Negative have the lease probability of catching and if they do, like my brother, have an extremely mild form of it. Almost as if he had the shot but it was before the vaccine. Another scientific fact, those who have had it and overcame it, have natural immunity and the shot actually does very little to protect them further.

But you keep on drinking the Fauci Koolaid and remember, if we never challenged their science, we would still be smoking whatever cigarette brand the Doctor recommended. Being able to purchase our own cough syrup with cocaine or opium over the counter.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5462733]And don't you become one of those begging,"but I took the non-vaccine vaccine," after it is too late.[/QUOTE]At this point, COVID is simply culling the herd of trump-humpers. To borrow a trope from the evangelicals: You may not believe in Covid, but Covid sure believes in you. LOL.

What is it that you don't understand about this virus? The original variant sickened and possibly killed the weakest first, namely the elderly. R0 for it was 2. 7. The Delta variant is now sickening and potentially killing those 40+, and in some areas with wide community spread it is sickening children. R0 for Delta is 6 and it is 83% of current cases. I have no doubt new variants will develop that are more contagious and virulent. It is just what viruses do. I don't see fear mongering, I see public health officials trying to protect public health.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5462934]14 times 0. 001 %, big deal. Let's also relook some other scientific fact. Type O Negative have the lease probability of catching and if they do, like my brother, have an extremely mild form of it. Almost as if he had the shot but it was before the vaccine. Another scientific fact, those who have had it and overcame it, have natural immunity and the shot actually does very little to protect them further.

But you keep on drinking the Fauci Koolaid and remember, if we never challenged their science, we would still be smoking whatever cigarette brand the Doctor recommended. Being able to purchase our own cough syrup with cocaine or opium over the counter.[/QUOTE]

Trump has nothing to do with it. I have not gotten the flu shot but once in 30 years and that was due to a unique situation of flying to Buffalo, NY ever Monday and back later that week every week for several months during the flu season. That is the only time my former military Doctor urged me to get the vaccine. He opposes vaccines also except where it really makes sense. To this date he has not urged me to get the vaccine due to my high natural immunity to disease and blood type. So please, stick your Sleepy Joe and his Hoe butt kissing tongue up your own rectum.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5463022]Its patently clear you received your diploma in statistical analysis from the now defunct trump University. It's kind of funny, if you sit back and think about it, trump was truly the first real COVID experimental Guinea pig in all this. He contracted COVID and it seems he wasn't afraid to take any drug cocktail to treat his COVID infection because he wanted to live. The icing on the cake, stump and his family received the COVID vaccine secretly in January.

Trump humpers when trump was POTUS: we will get the miracle vaccine.

Trump humpers after Biden won: We won't get it.

You just cant fix stupid![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5463022]

Trump humpers when trump was POTUS: we will get the miracle vaccine.

Trump humpers after Biden won: We won't get it.

You just cant fix stupid![/QUOTE]Let's take a look at the administration here:

[URL]https://twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_[/URL]

Not a Trumpster, not into party politics at all, but what a bunch of hypocrites!

In this time of virus variants and "surging" cases (a favorite phrase of the media vampires), shouldn't we be asking why the Mensa candidates of Mighty Joe's administration are allowing illegals into this country, maskless, untested, and unvaccinated, and then shipping them to various parts of the country to continue the spread and the lifespan of this oh so convenient to the Democratic Party pandemic? Aside from the Rabbit (No they aren't!) and RogieBoy (You're just a FuckCuck!) and Little Georgie Soros (I am a Marxist God! I am omnipotently correct all of the time!), shouldn't we be seriously asking why this is happening and what is the real intent of an administration that would do such a thing? Discuss, please, if you have the time.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5463117]Trump has nothing to do with it. I have not gotten the flu shot but once in 30 years and that was due to a unique situation of flying to Buffalo, NY ever Monday and back later that week every week for several months during the flu season. That is the only time my former military Doctor urged me to get the vaccine. He opposes vaccines also except where it really makes sense. To this date he has not urged me to get the vaccine due to my high natural immunity to disease and blood type. So please, stick your Sleepy Joe and his Hoe butt kissing tongue up your own rectum.[/QUOTE]Interesting, since you are the self appointed usasexguide health immunologist, I guess Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Haemophilus, Hepatitis, Chickenpox and Pneumococcal conjugate vaccines are OK, but not the COVID vaccines. You folks question what's in the COVID vaccine but never what's in the food you eat everyday. SMDH!