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Applecart, thanks for the tutorial. I like the idea of language centers. My ATF ATF was Korean spinner and I love them all to pieces. Most of the girls I saw in japan were spinners with that glossy black hair and respectful demeanor. Size 0-2 bodies with A / be / or see CUP tits are my thing. And she screamed her brains out when she came, at least for 2 minutes. We couldn't do Hotels because security would come running.
Ahh, the memories!
Had a M&G with the newby from SD4 M yesterday. She had told me she wasn't comfortable with intimacy right away and never brought up the subject of sugar. She has only been on the site for a few days and we met for coffee. She is a tall, slim white girl with beautiful green eyes. She was very engaging and fun to talk to-the kicker is she is a dancer. They are typically GPS, but I did not get the hard stripper nando1 vibe from her at all. She really seems to be more interested in being wined and dined a little than in cash, as again the topic never came up. I have to go out of town for a couple more weeks for work but we agreed to dinner when I get back. After I left she texted me to say she really enjoyed it and is excited about going out when I get back (I usually send that text, but didn't have time before she did). I'm not sure how things are going to go with a two week break, or if she is going to turn out to be typical dancer, but so far I've only got the cost of coffee invested and I'm willing to buy her dinner and slow play just a bit.
A tactic that has been discussed on here is driving the german car and wearing a nice watch, to give the money vibe off. I have always gone the other way, playing it down a little to manage sugar expectations. Yesterday, not knowing she was a dancer, I decided to give it a try. Sure enough, she noticed both the car and the watch. So, we'll see how that plays out. If she is going to try and bleed me for cash without delivering, then I've probably heightened her expectations. If she is looking to experience some things she can't afford on her own, and is willing to be my SB to do it, then hopefully she knows I can deliver. Either way, it'll be fun finding out!
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2087671]Applecart, thanks for the tutorial. I like the idea of language centers. My ATF ATF was Korean spinner and I love them all to pieces. Most of the girls I saw in japan were spinners with that glossy black hair and respectful demeanor. Size 0-2 bodies with A / be / or see CUP tits are my thing. And she screamed her brains out when she came, at least for 2 minutes. We couldn't do Hotels because security would come running.
Ahh, the memories![/QUOTE]One of my best long term relationships ever was a Korean girl. She was about as far from an SB or pro as any other female I've ever met. Devout church going type. The fact I was unwilling to go to church with her on Sundays was actually one reason the relationship didn't work. Consistently amazing sex, wonderfully pleasant person to be around. One of the few women I dated that I can say I was in love with, I don't regret the break up or wish I had married her, because we talked in depth about the reasons for splitting and while it was painful we both agreed it was the right thing to do and didn't look back. I still miss her and think about her often.
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For those that did not grow up or spend significant time in the US -- their culture is such that the male in the relationship is always a bit of a sugar daddy anyway, so it may just be that some of them believe that to be his role without it needing to be said.[/QUOTE]Absolutely true. The gift giving is embedded in the culture. Especially for guys dating girls. It's normal and expected, in fact it would be a loss of face not to give a few gifts.
In its extreme forms (again) you find the real high end stunners from the KTVs who have been spotted and picked out by the mamas an for some rich guy.
He needs not a fuck buddy so much as a accessory, just like his boat slip at the yacht club, and golf course membership, though he owns no clubs.
The girl is on display to make a statement to his friends -look what I've got". The girls compete for bespoke LVIV handbags from the forth floor of the Plaza 66 LV store (minimum 10 k USD per bag). Paying for this stuff is largely done in cash where the guy whips it out of his underarm oversized man bag. They found the inches of renminbi on those automated machines that whirl and furl the money.
Beyond that, it's the iced out Rolex Dayton's that are highly sought out. Unless, of course, the hangs out more around Hong Kong in the bungalow as her home base. In which case the iced out Rolex won't do. Nope. Now you need to get her a rose gold Patek Nautilus to hang around the IFC mall as she pops a few tags at the La Perla undies store.
This is the kind of stuff that the Chinese guys do for their Er Nai girls. Plus the month allowance for them which runs around USD 3 k equivalent.
And once again, they hardly ever, if ever fuck them. It's all about having the best accessory.
Oh, I almost forgot, they must have a toy poodle as well.
I'd bet this is the kind of thing the US "sugar babies" fantasize about.
Ain't going to happen for the US girls...just can see the culture in the States going down that road.
She's the commander of the sport fucking team. Works out of Black Pagoda in Pat Pong. Average looks, but a boat load of fun. Follow lonk to Stickmans page and scroll down to the bottom where Barbie is featured as girl of the week. She has a routine in the shower that should be patented.
[URL]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickmanWeeklyColumn2013/Bangkok-recommended-restaurants.htm[/URL]
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Face is slightly angular, but the hands are what matters in this case. Full on rent a babe take out for multiple days. So real you can't believe it. Beyond GFE. Full spectrum solution to all your needs with the best Thai massage training to go along with power fucking and passion. And not too expensive when buying little gifts in the mall.
[URL]http://www.thonglormassage.com/Coco.html[/URL]
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Oh, I almost forgot, they must have a toy poodle as well.
I'd bet this is the kind of thing the US "sugar babies" fantasize about.
Ain't going to happen for the US girls...just can see the culture in the States going down that road.[/QUOTE]Thankfully Louis Vuitton handbags are a hell of a lot easier to counterfeit than poodles, and there's a practical limit on the amount of dogs she's willing to own. LOL
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2087505]Wed and Thurs. Met a real and super cute NP. She is an AA spinner type with curves 8.5/9/8/? , college student, retail shop girl that has no clue what she is doing. She lived right near the last girl, so I went to her apt and dropped off $25 so she could take the train to my house the next day. I promised her another $100 if she made it over the next day, meaning today. Well she did show up with the promise of some kissing and petting only. I was like no problem because she is the real deal. And she did offer to fuck me with a condom for $$ (which I declined). Well when she came over I told her "I am going to take a pass on everything" and just hang out and get to know you. I told her my whole story so if she decided to try to get on the A team she would know exactly what she was in for. Partly I did this to rest up a bit as I have dates every day for the next week if I want and partly is that she is a total first timer for sure. If I get her, no one else will.
That means all BB action from a sweet young girl that"s trying to act all independent, and has a good family to support her college plans. But like all young girls has fantasies she won't admit to but the seed is planted. The next date would minimally have to be her in the nude and I would hold back on the fucking if I had to, but not hold back on anything else. After 4 hours I took her home. So either she takes the bait or I am out $.25 for trying.[/QUOTE]Something I never ever do is negotiate, but after reading about so many other brothers efforts I thought I would give it try, especially since I don't really care if I bag her or not. The take away mentality is so important and I don't want to lose that. So anyway by the next day (Friday) we had a lot of back and forth and I now have her down to $.5 for BBFS. But before we even do that, we agreed that date # 2 would be all nude play time minus only the intercourse. All other activities would be on the menu for $. This is not a done deal. Just where we ended after some sporadic txting over a few hours. Just left it at that.
[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLprofile-2964474-LetsHaveFunn2-LosAngeles-California-SugarBaby[/URL]
Hit her up just to get the feedback and because she is only 10 minutes away from me. I see she is on 24/7 so usually a bad sign.
"I do not like kissing. And you tryed to talk me before on my old profile before it got deleted. You seem like you wasn't serious & playing games. I do not have time to waste. So I'll make it simple 500 per meet. We will hang out for Hrs. & sex if that's what you want.".
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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2088839][URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLprofile-2964474-LetsHaveFunn2-LosAngeles-California-SugarBaby[/URL]
Hit her up just to get the feedback and because she is only 10 minutes away from me. I see she is on 24/7 so usually a bad sign.
"I do not like kissing. And you tryed to talk me before on my old profile before it got deleted. You seem like you wasn't serious & playing games. I do not have time to waste. So I'll make it simple 500 per meet. We will hang out for Hrs. & sex if that's what you want.".
Slightly edited for easier reading.[/QUOTE]Overly ambitious suggested retail price aside, this is one thing I hate about the 18-19 year olds. Their curtness / sassy attitude, their tendency to accuse us immediately of "playing games", etc. Seems like once they hit the 20-22 range, they mature a little and have had some time for the realities of life to set in. At 18-19 they just escaped from mom and dad's overwatch and have not had time to figure much out yet.
I decided to TOFTT and picked up a sketchy little southern gal that just breezed into town. She agreed to my $ but when I got her home it was obvious she was just hoping to get lucky playin off her looks.
Now 23 she must have been a real head turner at 17. We kissed a little and I got to feel that tight body of hers, but that was all she wrote. I took her back 4 hours later and .6 lighter.
Luckily I didn't have to miss work to do it. I bet she is a mean fuck, but I doubt I'll ever get to experience that. I was surprised she didn't try to upsell me as she was an admitted pro supposedly looking for a SD. The truth is, with a few hundred+ dollars invested into some hair, nails and clothes. Plus a little dieting (these pics hide the pooch) she wouldn't be bad. By the time she left she was pretty toasted, but that didn't make her wanna put out either.
I've been doing a lot of interviewing lately and not worrying about the dollars, just to be able to meet a slew of girls.
Went and did a M&G straight to her FC. She just graduated high school with all A's and was a track star, and in her infinite wisdom has chosen the SD life as her summer job until school starts again in trhe fall. I have just been appointed teacher to a nubile 5'7' 122 lb beauty, C cups. First date scores. 8/9/9/7. I told her I would teach her as she knows so little about sex. But good natural ability. More on her next weekend. She is 18 with the ID to prove it. Total damage $.3
Had a 23 YO respond to my CL ad looking for a submissive girl. She was a bit thicker than I would like, but since she was offering a free and submissive bang, I wasn't going to complain. She was quite willing and very eager to learn and please. Total cost = .8 for hotel and .2 for some help with her gas since she drove an hour to see me. Will probably repeat with her as I slowly try and build other options.
Seems like most of the girls that have been responding are pros or close to it. Most are immediately sending racy photos or quoting prices.
I was really disappointed when a 4'11" spinner 28 year old finally replied but after a few texts quoted 300 gold fish for a date and she would travel.
Last night a super hot little girl finally replied to my message. Her line was that she needed 1000 up front to meet so she could purchase nice clothes for us to go out.
I've seen the 22 year old massage therapist three times now. She is a freak. I can't determine if she is a full time pro or just on the side.
I've got several that I think are legit sbs texting me. Trying to schedule meets but they are not close.
This sd role is too much work to keep track of.
Skin.
[QUOTE=SkinJr;2090215]Seems like most of the girls that have been responding are pros or close to it. Most are immediately sending racy photos or quoting prices.
I was really disappointed when a 4'11" spinner 28 year old finally replied but after a few texts quoted 300 gold fish for a date and she would travel.
Last night a super hot little girl finally replied to my message. Her line was that she needed 1000 up front to meet so she could purchase nice clothes for us to go out.
I've seen the 22 year old massage therapist three times now. She is a freak. I can't determine if she is a full time pro or just on the side.
I've got several that I think are legit sbs texting me. Trying to schedule meets but they are not close.
This sd role is too much work to keep track of.
Skin.[/QUOTE]Try making your offer before they make theirs. Its not fail safe, but does get the conversation going, or stops it dead in its tracks. Either way you are ahead. I don't like mystery. Or endless emails, txt's and messages.
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This sd role is too much work to keep track of.
[/QUOTE]It can be extremely exhausting to get good results. Thankfully it's a once a year season for me, otherwise not only would I not be able to afford the hotel / dinners and the gifts for the girls, the sheer amount of work it takes to really line up some gems, all the communication and texting would kill me. I'm not in sales, but I imagine folks who work in sales would be accustomed to dealing with x number of opportunities only to see a small percentage of those opportunities pan out, and they are probably better mentally prepared for it all than I am.
However sometimes you end up with a really good one that makes it all worth while.
They all require travel on my part though... I don't SD close to home at all. The one exception being I propositioned a super hot mixed latina / Asian stripper this past season, and spoke to her in depth about being my next SB. She said she doesn't do oral on the first date which was a turn off for me, otherwise it was headed in a direction that would have had me breaking one of my cardinal rules and banging a local regular SB, which would have almost surely come back to haunt me. Probably better that it didn't pan out.
[QUOTE=SkinJr;2090215]Seems like most of the girls that have been responding are pros or close to it. Most are immediately sending racy photos or quoting prices.
I was really disappointed when a 4'11" spinner 28 year old finally replied but after a few texts quoted 300 gold fish for a date and she would travel.
Last night a super hot little girl finally replied to my message. Her line was that she needed 1000 up front to meet so she could purchase nice clothes for us to go out.
I've seen the 22 year old massage therapist three times now. She is a freak. I can't determine if she is a full time pro or just on the side.
I've got several that I think are legit sbs texting me. Trying to schedule meets but they are not close.
This sd role is too much work to keep track of.
Skin.[/QUOTE]Try using excel.
Something like this. I like to go in order by phone #... Add columns as needed. Pretty basic time saver.
profile.name real.name # age race city email
Profile name 1 barbie 111-111-2222 18 black city email address.
Profile name 2 barbie 111-111-2223 19 latina city email address.
Profile name 3 barbie 111-111-2224 20 asian city email address.
Profile name 4 barbie 111-111-2225 21 white city email address.
Profile name 5 barbie 111-111-2226 22 mixed city email address.
Profile name 6 barbie 111-111-2227 23 white city email address.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2090489]Try using excel.
Something like this. I like to go in order by phone #... Add columns as needed. Pretty basic time saver.
profile.name real.name # age race city email
[/QUOTE]If you're playing the numbers game, you have to be organized. When you're handling multiple POTs and trying to set up several M&Gs then you it's nice to have a spreadsheet with all the info.
I also include a column for misc personal info such as if they're married or have kids and another column with the link to their profile.
Depending on what email service you use, Outlook and Gmail has a cloud service with spreadsheets that you can save / maintain off your computer. For those that need to be discrete.
My approach to organizing them is mostly e-mail based until they become someone I will likely meet (or that I'm really interested in meeting if I'm in their city), then I basically "open a file on them" for lack of better term, where they have their own folder within a hierarchy that contains everything I have on them.
For example, in my e-mail client I have topmost folders with the four digit year number, then under each year, the name of each city, but usually the city represents some general 50-100 mile radius (I.e. I would not have Alexandria VA and Bethesda MD each with their separate folders, but rather just a folder called DC Area). I can usually stop at that level of detail for email, simply dragging any mails from the girl into the appropriate folder (it's easy enough to group all the ones from a single person together if I'm looking for all mails from a particular girl). I do that only with incoming mail (no need for sent mail).
However once they become a true POT (I'm planning to meet them) I start saving everything I have on them to a folder on my hard disk that is also organized by year / city but also has a folder for her particular name. I take screenshots of her profile so I can see how she represented herself at the time I met her (I.e. If she says she's slim bodied and later changes it to average or a few lbs or something after the fact, I'm going to know, and yes I do verify any changes to their profile before I meet them to compare). I save all pictures, both anything she put on the site as well as anything she might have emailed me. Any special notes on her go in there too like a link to her facebook or whatever.
That's about as far as I have to take it, because I usually don't end up with more than 20 real POTS requiring detail in any given city for a given year since my season is only one month. If I ever become a year round SD my whole methodology would change, because I would be focusing on girls that are geographically closer by (so organization by city would not be as helpful). Then again, if I weren't already in a committed relationship I would probably be doing about 70% civy dating and 30% sugar daddying, so not sure how the methodology would evolve.
Oh and I should mention, nobody uses my computer but me. I lock it when I'm away from my desk for any length of time. I don't let my GF get into my phone either, but I use Hushed for the SBs and keep it passcode protected. I have a iPhone 5S so it requires my fingerprint to get into the primary phone screen. The Hushed passcode is an extra layer of protection really and to keep the phone calls and text off my main number and onto a disposable number.
What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.
Maybe I am doing something very wrong, but I do not need excel to keep it organized. I am a relative newbe too. I have found if you don't meet within a week of first contact you are toast? After first meet if no FC within a week forget about it. Should I save "could if beens" for future contact? I looking for quality, not quantity- does that change the approach?
For example: I was heading to ATL today from TN. Planed SB has been flaking lately. Sent out some requests on WYP. Had a response and planned a dinner meet and greet. 21 first day on WYP really excited about the SD thing. No FC but nice make out session by her car. FC scheduled for Thursday. If no Thursday I move on. If no Thursday, should contact info be saved? When would you make contact again?
[QUOTE=CaneBay;2090826]Maybe I am doing something very wrong, but I do not need excel to keep it organized. I am a relative newbe too. I have found if you don't meet within a week of first contact you are toast? After first meet if no FC within a week forget about it. Should I save "could if beens" for future contact? I looking for quality, not quantity- does that change the approach?
For example: I was heading to ATL today from TN. Planed SB has been flaking lately. Sent out some requests on WYP. Had a response and planned a dinner meet and greet. 21 first day on WYP really excited about the SD thing. No FC but nice make out session by her car. FC scheduled for Thursday. If no Thursday I move on. If no Thursday, should contact info be saved? When would you make contact again?[/QUOTE]I'm sure it's different for everyone. I follow Hollywood's suggestion to play the numbers game. I send out alot of messages and keep track of the ones that respond back. I keep the details for the sake of prioritizing and convenience. If they fall through I move them over to another tab and just keep the active ones on the main tab.
I may send out a text / email to some that didn't FC if I think there's a possibility after they've dealt with some idiots / jerks. I had one that I was able to take to the FC by following up, so that keeps me thinking it can happen again.
[QUOTE=CaneBay;2090826]Maybe I am doing something very wrong, but I do not need excel to keep it organized. I am a relative newbe too. I have found if you don't meet within a week of first contact you are toast? After first meet if no FC within a week forget about it. Should I save "could if beens" for future contact? I looking for quality, not quantity- does that change the approach?
For example: I was heading to ATL today from TN. Planed SB has been flaking lately. Sent out some requests on WYP. Had a response and planned a dinner meet and greet. 21 first day on WYP really excited about the SD thing. No FC but nice make out session by her car. FC scheduled for Thursday. If no Thursday I move on. If no Thursday, should contact info be saved? When would you make contact again?[/QUOTE]A lot of these girls will hit you up a week, a month even a year later. I save every girls info I have had physical contact with. Thats a lot of girls. Also have at least 10 POTS at any given moment and maybe 7 different ones I hook up with a month. So it helps. And I dont like them all in my contacts on my phone. Too many horror stories of lost or damaged phones.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2090811]What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.[/QUOTE]I'm not 32 anymore but I can tell you that hooking up with 18-22 year olds in the civy world is tough even at that age, because you're competing with every horny prick that's between 18 and 40 for the same piece of ass even if you are in your early 30's!. And, in the civy world they are looking at the dude with the same scrutiny we would be looking at a long-term partner, the only difference in the male vs. Female perspective being that if we see them as having no future potential, we ask ourselves "well are they at least fuckable?" while in the civy world, if you have no future potential to them, you're excluded as early as possible.
I can never remember a time in civy dating where I didn't have to be constantly on the hunt. SD'ing is different because once there is money on the table, there's always some young thing that needs to pay the bills, or is a closet pro, or whatever. SD'ing is easier and more satisfying short-term. Civy dating is needed only if I don't have someone, and would like to not live the rest of life (outside the bed) alone and/or hopefully have someone around when I'm 90.
In civy dating you don't try for young hotties once you're over a certain age. You do find them sometimes if you're in good shape and attractive for your age, but you are thankful when you find something good that's in the 10-15 year younger range. You can detect them on the civy sites by their desired specified age range, but for the most part they are few and far between. Sometimes you encounter a real treat that makes all the hunting and legwork worthwhile. Honestly once they get over 30 anything is possible because their clock is ticking loud to them at that point, so if you find a good 30-35 year old sometimes you get your nuts rocked in ways these SBs cannot compare to. Yet, if you date them it won't last much longer, especially if you're like me and you have no intention of having kids so the load is going either in their mouth, on their tits, in their hair or if things get really bad onto your keyboard. Some of the best pussy you get in the 28-35 range is from single moms who want a baby daddy and to me that sounds a lot like sugar daddy but with emotional obligations as well as financial.
What you're really looking for in civy dating is (ideally) a satisfying long term partner, but knowing how elusive that is, you're looking to get the best possible free sex (well, it always costs doesn't it? Dinner, etc).
In my case I like having someone to spend time with each evening that doesn't drive me crazy, so if I were single right now I would be looking for a partner first, sexual satisfaction second. It would be great to find an ideal companion to spend time with just hanging out, watching TV or movies, dining, etc that also rocks my world sexually and leaves me uninterested in outside encounters, but I find that unrealistic in my case. I just crave variety so it doesn't seem possible. In the big scheme of things I actually feel somewhat proud of the fact that I only become an SD when my GF travels overseas to visit with her family. I'm faithful the rest of the time and probably wouldn't misbehave if she didn't leave me alone. My mind works in creative ways when I'm alone. The formula that seems to be working for me is a largely satisfying, "meaningful" relationship 11 months out of the year and then 1 month out of the year where I travel everywhere within a 6 hour radius fucking everything I can :)
So, how as far as % time spent civy, I think it depends on how much you prefer a partner / companion compared to just sex. The variety is addictive, but of course the difference is that if you get sick tomorrow your partner will at least shed a tear and drive you to surgery, whereas the SBs won't have anything to do with you once they know the ATM machine is out of order. It just comes down to individual priorities. I'd love to have more months out of the year to do the SB thing but no matter how much we have there's never enough, so I try to appreciate what I have now and not get greedy.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2090861]I'm not 32 anymore but I can tell you that hooking up with 18-22 year olds in the civy world is tough even at that age, because you're competing with every horny prick that's between 18 and 40 for the same piece of ass even if you are in your early 30's!. And, in the civy world they are looking at the dude with the same scrutiny we would be looking at a long-term partner, the only difference in the male vs. Female perspective being that if we see them as having no future potential, we ask ourselves "well are they at least fuckable?" while in the civy world, if you have no future potential to them, you're excluded as early as possible.
I can never remember a time in civy dating where I didn't have to be constantly on the hunt. SD'ing is different because once there is money on the table, there's always some young thing that needs to pay the bills, or is a closet pro, or whatever.
In civy dating you don't try for young hotties once you're over a certain age. You do find them sometimes if you're in good shape and attractive for your age, but you are thankful when you find something good that's in the 10-15 year younger range. You can detect them on the civy sites by their desired specified age range, but for the most part they are few and far between. Sometimes you encounter a real treat that makes all the hunting and legwork worthwhile. Honestly once they get over 30 anything is possible because their clock is ticking loud to them at that point, so if you find a good 30-35 year old sometimes you get your nuts rocked in ways these SBs cannot compare to. Yet, if you date them it won't last much longer, especially if you're like me and you have no intention of having kids so the load is going either in their mouth, on their tits, in their hair or if things get really bad onto your keyboard. Some of the best pussy you get in the 28-35 range is from single moms who want a baby daddy and to me that sounds a lot like sugar daddy but with emotional obligations as well as financial.
What you're really looking for in civy dating is (ideally) a satisfying long term partner, but knowing how elusive that is, you're looking to get the best possible free sex (well, it always costs doesn't it? Dinner, etc).
In my case I like having someone to spend time with each evening that doesn't drive me crazy, so if I were single right now I would be looking for a partner first, sexual satisfaction second. It would be great to find an ideal companion to spend time with just hanging out, watching TV or movies, dining, etc that also rocks my world sexually and leaves me uninterested in outside encounters, but I find that unrealistic in my case. I just crave variety so it doesn't seem possible. In the big scheme of things I actually feel somewhat proud of the fact that I only become an SD when my GF travels overseas to visit with her family. I'm faithful the rest of the time and probably wouldn't misbehave if she didn't leave me alone. My mind works in creative ways when I'm alone.
So, how as far as % time spent civy, I think it depends on how much you prefer a partner / companion compared to just sex. The variety is addictive, but of course the difference is that if you get sick tomorrow your partner will at least shed a tear and drive you to surgery, whereas the SBs won't have anything to do with you once they know the ATM machine is out of order. It just comes down to individual priorities. I'd love to have more months out of the year to do the SB thing but no matter how much we have there's never enough, so I try to appreciate what I have now and not get greedy.[/QUOTE]I guess what I meant was. What percentage outside the SO relationship if you have one. So in your case I guess 100% of the time.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2090868]I guess what I meant was. What percentage outside the SO relationship if you have one. So in your case I guess 100% of the time.[/QUOTE]Oh. In that case, yes when straying from the SO relationship I would be 100% SD. Although I did sign up for a couple of civy sites this past season, but I made clear in my profile that I was looking for an SB, and that does not attract much action on civy sites. The one exception might be POF, which makes it easier than most civy sites to hit up the disproportionately young POTS. I did not bang anyone I met on POF but to be honest that was mostly because in only one month out of the year, all the girls "look new", and just keeping up with the ones on the SB sites are a chore, so no time or energy left for POF. I have met some good younger, free fuck buddies on POF in the past that were looking to date but probably would have been open to SD / SB under the right conditions. Just a matter of casting a wide net -- as they say like sex itself, the more you put in the more you get out. Invest time in POF and you'll get some good stuff but it may take more emails.
The basic issue with civy sites is that they are designed to produce matches, so unless the girl specifies she has an open upper age range (and some of them do, its just that they seem rare compared to on the SB sites), you'll find the pickings slim. This of course becomes increasingly disadvantageous as you get older, assuming you enter your real age. I usually try to shave a few years off my age in my profile and I explain it to them later. I will probably shave more years off as I get older as long as I can physically get away with it.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2090811]What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.[/QUOTE]100% sugar dating for me. I have zero interest in traditional long-term relationships.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2090811]What percentage do you guys civi date vs sugar date. For me its 100% sugar. I mean really, at 60 where am I going to hook-up with any kinky 18 to 22 year olds (or any age for that matter). And yes I have read some very interesting approaches to doing that. But they don't work for a old school desk jockey, new school internet geek like me.[/QUOTE]Maybe my perspective will change in time but, as a Man just months out of a 24 year marriage, I don't see ever going to civi dating. I'm 56 and in decent shape. I am truly amazed how old women my age range look! I've never been someone who could fck a personality. I need old fashioned physical attraction and I'm not seeing that in my decade. By the way my Ex is 40 so I was a bit spoiled in some ways these last 24 years.
Despite my rough start, I am sure that the SD / SB life is the one for me.
I have a m / g today with a 21 year old spinner Latina. She seems to be a legit student as she says needing tuition money. She has been very reserved on texts and is cautious about meeting. Wants to be very discreet. We are meeting at 1 to casually talk and see "what happens".
The only problem; she is married. Hmmm.
The absolute smoke 22 year old in Myrtle Beach emails me every day. We are constantly talking about meeting when I get in the area. She seems legit by talking to her. But I just assume as hot as she is and the fact that she use to model this is a common thing for her.
My FB has rinsed me of $ I am 100 % on all advances over $ . After 1 month I am giving it up on her. I am cured of the delusion that these babies are honorable. If they are Nando 1 s and want advances then dollars to donuts they are looking to scam you. If you give them enough to walk, even short time, then they will. They can't help it. Then they are too ashamed to come back even if the door is open. Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same.
If single I would emulate Hollywood. 100% ! I like being by myself until I want company. So hire a hottie. Hmmm, sounds like a catchy name for an escort or Sugar site. Hire a Hottie dot something. You entrepreneurs can have that name. The thing is, as other brothers have alluded to. There is no way a 60 + yr old can gain access to a 20 + yr old without sugar involved, period. Well, back to the drawing board to find a new FB.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2091259]My FB has rinsed me of $ I am 100 % on all advances over $ . After 1 month I am giving it up on her. I am cured of the delusion that these babies are honorable. If they are Nando 1 s and want advances then dollars to donuts they are looking to scam you. If you give them enough to walk, even short time, then they will. They can't help it. Then they are too ashamed to come back even if the door is open. Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same.
If single I would emulate Hollywood. 100% ! I like being by myself until I want company. So hire a hottie. Hmmm, sounds like a catchy name for an escort or Sugar site. Hire a Hottie dot something. You entrepreneurs can have that name. The thing is, as other brothers have alluded to. There is no way a 60 + yr old can gain access to a 20 + yr old without sugar involved, period. Well, back to the drawing board to find a new FB.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, but my reasoning for your question, "Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same." is because they can spread their legs and another will take your place! I am in the same boat with you, most of the time that I have advanced money, I got burned.
[QUOTE=DirtyDingus;2091337]I agree with you, but my reasoning for your question, "Why they give up the future prospect of $s to score a short time $ I will never understand, but we don't think the same." is because they can spread their legs and another will take your place! I am in the same boat with you, most of the time that I have advanced money, I got burned.[/QUOTE]For me I would say every time. I really can not think of one time I have ever gotten back a penny. Live and learn. Thats why I love this site. Glad I will never be the next d sterling. Although when I started out big time, I had the big time money. Got burned plenty. Then came the recession which forced me to up my game. It's still going up. Thanks.
I always pay after the deed is done and pay is performance-based, but for those who have ever advanced sugar and not received any in return, I'd report her to the site you met her on, indicating the theft (that's what it is, theft). Even if you don't report her, send her a note letting her know you're going to report her as a pro that's ripping people off. If nothing else it might make her think twice before she does it to someone else, or at least maybe she'll take her game to BP or somewhere outside the SD scene where thievery has no place.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2091458]I always pay after the deed is done and pay is performance-based, but for those who have ever advanced sugar and not received any in return, I'd report her to the site you met her on, indicating the theft (that's what it is, theft). Even if you don't report her, send her a note letting her know you're going to report her as a pro that's ripping people off. If nothing else it might make her think twice before she does it to someone else, or at least maybe she'll take her game to BP or somewhere outside the SD scene where thievery has no place.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. Like the "Hannah" vcu student...totally thief.I learned lesson...now I only pay after it. Though I make mistake and get bought by SB on their stories. Recently gave allowance for just M&G with a promise that never came true.
So there are are more SBs who are asking for M&G money and now that will be turned down. I have lost the faith...
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2091458]I always pay after the deed is done and pay is performance-based, but for those who have ever advanced sugar and not received any in return, I'd report her to the site you met her on, indicating the theft (that's what it is, theft). Even if you don't report her, send her a note letting her know you're going to report her as a pro that's ripping people off. If nothing else it might make her think twice before she does it to someone else, or at least maybe she'll take her game to BP or somewhere outside the SD scene where thievery has no place.[/QUOTE]The problem is / most of us are doing this UTR and a crazy Nando 1 with nothing to lose could cause a lot more damage to us than our trying to screw her little scam up. I realize that this behavior perpetuates her larceny but we bleeding heart types do it to ourselves. If we don't "lend" money then they can't steal from us. Never again! I'm bummed because she was a good little provider and very reliable. I think she got arrested or an IRL "BF" caught her fucking around. She never fessed up to another guy in her life but was very nervous when we played at her place once and she didn't want her "roommate" catching us together.
M / G went well today with 22 year old latina jersey girl spinner (4'11" yay! She stopped by a house that I am flipping. We sat in her car and talked for an hour. Very casual stuff just like we were on a date. She is married two years now but not happy. She is looking money for tuition. My spidey sense never went off. She was very reserved and cautious. She mentioned she did this once before in NJ before moving to NC several years ago. I kept debating several times to make a move but I decided to go slow so maybe I could build a steady FB since she is in my town, looking to be discreet, and she wants a steady arrangement.
After she left (I had to leave, plus I was tired of talking / listening) I text her and told her I found her really attractive and wanted to take the next step. She replied "me too" and asked what that was exactly. Like a kid I told her I wanted to get her alone and see that beautiful body. Immediately I text her again and said I hated to be so forward / fast but I am very busy and I know exactly what I want. And I wanted her. She text back that she wanted me bad, she didn't want to waste time, and she knew exactly what she wanted.
We started talking immediately about meeting. I tried getting her today (I had already had sex twice today) but she asked for Thursday due to her school and work schedule. Was probably a good thing for me. She is probably a 7/8 in face. But she is young and keeps her self put together so she looks better. Her tits were big and amazing in a low cut tank top. They will probably look look like shit when they are unsupported but damn they looked good. She has some nice round thighs which I love if the girl is not fat. She definitely has the latina curves without being chubby. In five years she will probably look like shit but right now she is awesome. I'm not a big fan of the jersey accent, but with the latina accent added in, it will be hot as shit as she fucks me and talks dirty. If she talks anywhere as dirty as my massage therapist she will be awesome. Meeting scheduled for Thurs lunch time anywhere I want her, hotel or foreclosed house, she "will be wherever I want her".
Massage therapist is needing me bad. Me or my money. I've done her three times now in hotels and she is loud as shit and dirty. I've been worried several times about hotel staff showing up. She is a 9/10 in bed. And freaky too. Offered to blow me and my boss if I couldn't ditch him one day. She was serious. We were going to do it in a repo house one time but cleaning lady showed up. Cleaning lady is hot and has been flirting with me. My sb offered to try and seduce cleaning lady for me. My sb wants to meet tonight but I can't do it.
Absolute smoke in myrtle still emails me every day. We have a friendly flirty thing going back and forth. She will send a casual selfie when I ask. Like today she was in gym working out. The other day it was beach selfies. I have got to get down there before she flakes or you bastards ruin her.
21 year old 5'1" (yay) big head of hair near Raleigh has been texting / emailing regularly for a week now. She has sent me many casual selfies, nothing racy, and seems legit. Going to school day time and cocktail waitresses at night. She is hot with the long brown hair, big brown eyes, and dark complexion. Luckily she has self esteem issues working at a mens club. She doesn't think she is anywhere as hot as the dancers. I'm actually looking forward to this one more than the smokeshow in myrtle. Diamond in the rough.
Several girls that seem legit are casually texting / emailing me. One college girl is spending the week in myrtle starting Weds and I'm trying to be her vacation fb. I've got a lot of hits from girls that are definitely pro or almost there. I may hit a few just to see.
Assistance... I'm in a relationship and have to hide everything of course. I use an email account that no one else knows about. I use Hushed for texts but it sucks. I can't receive photos. And I have to delete the program every time I go home. Any recommendations on texting without getting a burner phone?
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Assistance... I'm in a relationship and have to hide everything of course. I use an email account that no one else knows about. I use Hushed for texts but it sucks. I can't receive photos. And I have to delete the program every time I go home. Any recommendations on texting without getting a burner phone?
[/QUOTE]Are the problems with Hushed that its pausing when you text? It didn't used to do that until a couple of updates ago, it used to work great. I hope they update it and fix it before my next season, as I was planning to let my burner phone expire. You could try Skype, which will let you purchase a number but its more expensive than Hushed and I've never really used Skype to SMS so I'm not sure how it works.
[QUOTE=FredMoore;2091531]The problem is / most of us are doing this UTR and a crazy Nando 1 with nothing to lose could cause a lot more damage to us than our trying to screw her little scam up. I realize that this behavior perpetuates her larceny but we bleeding heart types do it to ourselves. If we don't "lend" money then they can't steal from us. Never again! I'm bummed because she was a good little provider and very reliable. I think she got arrested or an IRL "BF" caught her fucking around. She never fessed up to another guy in her life but was very nervous when we played at her place once and she didn't want her "roommate" catching us together.[/QUOTE]One good thing about reporting her to the site is she won't know who reported her (my second suggestion about telling her that you're going to wouldn't be a good option if she is in a position to strike back). Also if you're married don't give her enough info to trace anything back to you. Only once has a sugar baby known my real name, and that was because of a stupid mistake I made on a dinner reservation, luckily it ended on good terms. But yes, agreed, always pay after the deed is done and problem solved in the first place.
[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2091621]One good thing about reporting her to the site is she won't know who reported her (my second suggestion about telling her that you're going to wouldn't be a good option if she is in a position to strike back). Also if you're married don't give her enough info to trace anything back to you. Only once has a sugar baby known my real name, and that was because of a stupid mistake I made on a dinner reservation, luckily it ended on good terms. But yes, agreed, always pay after the deed is done and problem solved in the first place.[/QUOTE]At SD4 m they could care less. But I did get a foreign scammer thrown off of their once that had been on that site for about 4 years.