Learning to mellow out was definitely a challenge
Totally hear you. The frequent late replies, GPS, worries of LE, handlers, set ups, rip offs, demons, gifts that keep on giving and what not. Many things that stressed me out. Found throughout the years the best dreams are when you're relaxed and confident. Also the desire to rack up your belt notches can be a double edged sword, since you're usually more comfortable with repeats.
[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6437205]I think what you have experienced is "Hooker Time!" Here is what I have observed and experienced, fwiw.
Found that many of these girls have habits and need to "get right" before doing a date. Often that involves something that takes them down and they get stuck in a nod. So while they intended to show up or be available, they end up falling asleep. Then of course have seen girls that take an hour or two to find a vein. I guess with time veins get scared up and it's hard to hit them?
Other times some dude who is willing to show up at their place contacts them AFTER they made a date with me. As they say, "a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush. " Why waste all of that time traveling when they can get someone to come to them? So in that case, they blow me off and date the dude that is there. Same thing with money, always some sucker out there, thinking with the little head, and willing to pay 2 X of what I offered, and when that happens, I get pushed aside.
Sometimes girls double book and who ever gets there first gets the date. I can understand this because girls tell me approximated 70% of the dudes who "book" and appointment, back out, ghost or no-show. So first guy to show up, gets the date: early bird gets the pssy.
And of course many of these girls have TERRIBLE time management skills. I mean even with SBs (the younger ones) they will wait until I text them, "I am here at the Restaurant" until they say, "I'm leaving now". But shoot, if many of these girls could show up on time to regular jobs they wouldn't be doing this.
Hey, not criticizing anyone, just stating basically what is out there and what I have found. I have found as a monger, that I have evolved. When I started stuff like that really pizzed me off and I got my knickers in a twist frequently over the girls. Visiting ANY of that frustration on the girls had negative effects and usually ended things or lead to a terrible date. So getting upset by this only effected me, high blood pressure, frustration, disappointment and self induced stress. Why create, that which drove me to monger in the first place?
I guess with time, I have mellowed a bit as I add some time into my schedule for "hooker time", never try to do a tight scheduling with a girl or plan to hang loose while a girl gets her sh*t together. When I want to do a date where the girls is going to be on time, prepared and reliable, I fork over the BIG bucks to the high end girls with websites & apartments.
All fwiw, just saying. Hope it helps.[/QUOTE]
Anyone seen this pawg. She looks familiar
Anyone seen this one. She looks like Desiree from South Jersey.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/philadelphia/female-escorts/caucasian_w/flirty-freaky-and-curvy-girl-w/789440197970[/URL]
EPM has a crazy screening process
[QUOTE=Kma2016;6460308]Visiting next week and was wanting to try and schedule something with epm. Could someone let me know if there are any rules or ways of reaching out that can increase my odds of getting a response? Trying to schedule something and not getting anything back. PM is ok if needed.[/QUOTE]If you are only visiting, I would say don't even bother with EPM. They are pretty bad at responding if you are new with them and they have a crazy screening process. Be prepared to give them all your private info. There is no way to remain anonymous unless you have some fake documents.
Philly has other great AMPs that are completely walk-in friendly. But it's probably wise to avoid high volume times.
Philly is a dangerous place. They need ways to protect themselves
[QUOTE=SamKatz;6465456]EPMs screening is just as bad as the other 2 (Classy and LoveKPhilly) I won't say exactly due to being told not to but those that know EPM is run by somebody familiar if that makes any sense. Even if you have a great rep they will give you the cold shoulder if you don't pass the "screening" aka FBI background check. You are DEFINITELY not the only one who feels this is way over the top for "both of our safety" Even though the only "safety" matter is a vaccinated card with your name on it which is healthy safety not LE safety. But ofcourse some mongers don't care about sending over their whole life to enter an AMP. I only felt a little comfortable going through the process while I was visiting the west coast but here? I still feel bad about it now but I made a conscious decision so I got to live with it. Theres also zero relief since I know it's a lie when they say "All personal information will be discarded after the first visit" That may work on some mongers but not Sam.[/QUOTE]Different places implement different ways to protect themselves.
Places like EPM have a strict screening process to protect themselves.
Places like Saigon have a strategy where all your belongings are in a locker that they provide. So when you with their girl, you have nothing except a towel and sandals. That way, if you come in with a gun or something, you are away from it.
Places like VIP have a table shower session where you are away from your belongings for several minutes. I think they might go through your stuff if they don't trust you. They also have emergency buttons in case they need help. I have never seen it being used, but the buttons are normally used in Korean restaurants to get the waitress's attention. My guess is that VIP has it to send messages to the mamasan or other people behind the scenes.
I hear in Korea, they have a big problem with hidden cameras in hotels and other places. I would guess that some of the Korean AMP{s might also use hidden cameras in the AMP rooms. I have no evidence of this. It is only my suspicion.
I heart massage makes use of cameras. I'm not sure if they have hidden cameras, but they have several high definition cameras at other places. And as you walk in, there is a big screen showing several security cameras. In the room, there was a very suspicious stuffed animal hanging from the ceiling that looked like it could be a hidden camera.
I went to one AMP / LMP (Asian / Latina) in a different state where there was an armed big black security guard at the front as a deterrent. I'm sure other places might have someone armed behind the scenes.
Personally for me. I have always felt safe at philly AMPs. I don't cause issues and I get in and get out with what I pay for. I'm in it for good service and they are in it for repeat business. It's win win.
Really, let's break this down.
[QUOTE=HankScorpio;6465487]Different places implement different ways to protect themselves.
I heart massage makes use of cameras. I'm not sure if they have hidden cameras, but they have several high definition cameras at other places. And as you walk in, there is a big screen showing several security cameras. In the room, there was a very suspicious stuffed animal hanging from the ceiling that looked like it could be a hidden camera.
I went to one AMP / LMP (Asian / Latina) in a different state where there was an armed big black security guard at the front as a deterrent. I'm sure other places might have someone armed behind the scenes.[/QUOTE]NOT trying to pick a fight, so let's break this down.
FACT #1 Most spa owners are NOT stupid. NOTE: I said most and not all. There are way to protect yourself and there are ways to hand over evidence gift wrapped on a silver platter to the authorities. Video taping the action in the room would be at the level of epic stupidly.
Remember as long as you don't confess to Uncle LEO there is no real evidence against you. I have only ever officially gotten a light rub down in an spa. Everything I have ever written on this board is total BS and complete fiction. Short of a time machine, there is zero evidence to prove me wrong. My position in America will be, Let the prosecutor present their evidence to the court to prove their case. Oh, the prosecutor has irrefutable video evidence? What kind of idiot would video tape that? There is zero good that could ever come out of doing something that stupid.
FACT #2 They also aren't interested making a small problem and turning it into a major business ending problem. Having a customer refuse to pay and get a free one is the cost of doing this kind of business. I am sure happens once in a while.
Then let's weigh the positive vs the negative of having an armed guard at the spa, confronting customers with a gun and the possibility of an accident happening? Even in the worst case of getting robbed at a spa, at gun point and losing your 200 and not getting any. You already decided that you were not going to have that 200 tomorrow when you woke up. One way or the other it was gone. The lady in the spa was still going to do what she was going to do with that guy. He won't be able to come back to that spa again.
Now weigh it against, worst case of the security guard gets into a gun fight with the guy and kills them but also shoots someone else. I'll assume a spa is not getting the best trained armed security guards on top of it. So after a shooting, now there is a giant mess on everyone's hands. Most likely the spa gets shut down, you have bodies with bullet holes in them. It is a giant mess. LEO is forced to find all video evidence in the area, there are cameras on the streets everywhere today. It is a juicy story on the local news for a few days. Yes you can justifiably blame the guy who robbed the spa. When your wife finds out and wants a divorce. You kids grow up hating you. You lose your job. You might have an injury that lasts a lifetime. The spa owner lost their business. Good news is you still have your 200 but the real cost could be much much higher.
Like I said there could be dumb spa owners. If I find out they are making really dumb decisions, I will stay away from those spa.
The safe thing about an well established place like EPM is they don't have to take new customers off of the street. I also don't believe Uncle LEO is concerned with established traveling girls who are wearing Rolex's and traveling 1st class are being forced to do something against their wills. For the opposite reason I never engage with drug addicted street level women, who I know are trapped into this to feed their soul & life destroying addictions. No harsh judgement if you do see them, it is just my choice. Nor do I think LEO is looking to rent rooms out at the Ritz to entrap super rich guys who are willing to pay $1000/ hr, you know the guys the mayor golfs with on the weekends and who write fat checks to get them elected.
Why am I so invested in this?
[QUOTE=MisterMister46;6468555]Just moved to Philly and I've been scouring the sites, but it looks really dry out there. Just looking for a provider who is reliable, not in a sketchy area, and at least like a 6 on the looks scale. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]I'm not sure why I am putting so much time to respond to your question but here is even more info:
I stopped using escorts because of a few bad experiences and I find better options elsewhere. But back then I used to use two sites: skipthegames and listcrawler / escort_babylon.
I just looked to see if I recognize anyone I seen previously. Here are just a few quick reviews. All of these are from a few years ago:
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/philadelphia/female-escorts/caucasian_w/friday--south-philly-cardates-/662411897328[/URL]
Met her once. Picked her up for a cardate. Parked in a church parking lot. Overall experience was fine but she left a big mess in my car without telling me. Some of her pics are years old.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/philadelphia/female-escorts/caucasian_e/available-now-car-outcall-spec/957575380765[/URL]
Met her twice I think. Once in a hotel on roosevelt blvd. Another time in a basement house in the northeast. She has a scar on her chest from a surgery or something.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/mount-laurel-nj/female-escorts/caucasian_w/2nite-only80bbj100ssqvdont-mis/500439844458[/URL]
Picked her up a few times off the street. She seemed fine. Has youtube videos floating around somewhere. Missing some teeth.
[URL]https://escortbabylon.net/posts_view/154013006/2677664925[/URL]
Saw her a few times. All pretty good. I think she has surgery scars along her spine. The last time I saw her was around covid times and she was super preggo. At the that time, it was in a small basement apt in a sketch neighborhood but didn't have any issues. I wouldn't be surprised if this one doesn't do any hard drugs. She might just be poor.
Keep in mind that there are a lot of scams on those sites.
Other options are sugar dating and strip clubs.
When I moved to philly, the most noticable thing was how crazy people drive. For many drivers, they consider traffic law to be more of a suggestion rather than a law. People are often running reds, driving on the wrong side of the road, park in the middle of the street, etc.
But AMPs are probably your best bet. Almost always the girls are 6 or above. Sometime they may try to pass off a grannie or a chubbie. Some give you a lineup. Usually pretty safe. (although there was a shooting at one several years ago, but there are shootings everywhere in philly.) And most of the AMPs really take pride in providing good service and have their system all worked out.
What I see as changes since the demise of BP.
[QUOTE=SentryMarv1;6471490]The scene in Philly has been abysmal for a while now. Even though I manage to find some decent looking women with solid prices, the overall quality level is low, and I don't see it changing for a while. The end of backpage really caused a paradigm shift in providers. With skip and listcrawler, literally most of the ads are fake, and the few real ones the girls are either overpriced, unattractive, and / or gives a terrible performance. I'm in semi-retirement as of now, so I'm only really sticking to my regulars and that's it.[/QUOTE][I]Hope Marv doesn't mind me using his post to spark me getting up on my soapbox! No offense intended.[/I]
The paradigm shift after backpage appears to be that [b]there is no longer one dominant website[/b] were everyone posts. Now it looks like the offers are spread around numerous websites: the most prevalent can be found in the escort section of The P*rn Dude website. But other sites, SM and apps appear every day that make it harder to find girls.
Oh and something else I found: if I stick to the "usual" websites I get bored with the regulars and scammers. BUT I have found that when I do DD (ie search pics) [b]I often find different websites.[/b] So I keep a list of those 'new' sites and periodically go to them and look at what is posted there. Admittedly, looks like many 'new' sites scrape content & posts from other sites, but occasionally there are a few with different girls, fresh faces and good talent.
I agree, many sites are a sewer, it is easy to get frustrated and give up. What I found is that with the easy, go to site BP being gone, [b]I had to spend more time in a search, up my skills[/b] as to not waste extra time and avoid being driven by the little head.
But quality is out there, it just takes me a LOT more time to find it. I found that [b]I needed to have a multi-denominational approach[/b] and keep working those approaches. For instance, I work the streets from time to time and develop relationships with the girls with phones. Then there are searches on line for some better quality girls. I found that, sticking with just the standard escort sites yielded diminishing returns, so I expanded to SugarBabies, Cheaters and Hook-up sites. Also, I'd be remiss if I forget the AMPs which are rich and plentiful in this area. While there has been some price creep in the last couple of years at AMPs, I can still find some good times in AMPs and usually at rates much less than some of this average to below average girls on the websites.
[b]If you want top-quality, you'll have to pay for it.[/b] Oh sure, the ghetto has invaded sites like Tryst and Eros, but 8-10 girls with their own apartments in safe areas, who are perfectly manicured and very accommodating can be had. I splurge there from time to time, but it is not cheap and can bust a budget pretty quickly!
Oh and I'll add this. Just like trying to find a job, I have found that [b]networking works in this game[/b]. While some girls are jealous or competitive and want you to only see them (they get all of your cash flow) others are mature enough to know guys need variety. But asking a girl if she knows someone else she could recommend has yielded great results for me. Shoot, one of my regulars is a 5th generation recommendation. At one point, I had a girl who provided about a dozen girls as referrals, even though she was a referral herself. Even this last week, I did a 3-some with a regular and a girl she knows. Now I have the other girl's number for when the need arises.
So with BP gone, the low hanging fruit appears to be gone and now it takes me much more time and effort to find new talent. I do [b]keep a few in "rotation" or on a bench[/b], such that during times of need I have something to fall back on. But that gives me the ability to keep looking and searching the sites. I get it that guys tire of girls and I do too, but seeing a girl once every 2-3 weeks (or even monthly) cuts the boredom, keeps her 'fresh' and keeps her in play.
So I think the days of waking up horny, going on a site and finding a girl that suits and getting drained are likely in the rear-view mirror. Now it takes time to weed through the scammers (money upfront, deposits, etc) and find a decent girl. I have found that can't be done at an instance, especially when the 'need' arises. So I [b]keep lines in the water and check periodically.[/b]
I have found that the younger girls are much more open sexually and open to enjoying sex and getting paid for their time. So we aren't up against it culturally as much as we use to be. Sure the easy pickings days have faded, but [b]there is plenty of talent out there![/b] I found the amount of time one puts in yields results!
Don't give up! It can be done!
