Rants and Raves

It looks like NiteLuvr-of-cock got blind drunk and behind the keyboard again.

So here's some advice: Fat, drunk, stupid, and sucking down conspiracy theories like you do a liberal cock isn't engaging. These are probably the reasons why you always wind up being the bottom of a BBC cuck gangbang.

Oh yeah. You aren't scary. You're like the least frightening person on here. The only frightening thing about you is how you probably ruined every thanksgiving dinner you've stopped getting invites to.

Now clean up the vomit from your alcohol-induced fever dream, wash the jizz out of your gaping ass, and fuck off.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5451704]It's exactly as he said the first time. He plowed her between the legs near her bunghole whilst she was on her stomach. No penetration, just a dick plow into that diamond area. Everyone has done that. Which part is still confusing?[/QUOTE]I have never heard of that in a MP or seen a review on here ever mention that before and he didn't word it the way you just worded it either. I guess I'll stick to chasing the real thing (penetration) doesn't mean I'll find it, but that reminds me of Titty F**king, unless you are in the moist pink then you are just rubbing against skin.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5452198]I have never heard of that in a MP or seen a review on here ever mention that before and he didn't word it the way you just worded it either. I guess I'll stick to chasing the real thing (penetration) doesn't mean I'll find it, but that reminds me of Titty F**king, unless you are in the moist pink then you are just rubbing against skin.[/QUOTE]It's comical, makes no sense. Could just be trolling. Now, that would make sense.

[QUOTE=SkyWookie;5452198]I have never heard of that in a MP or seen a review on here ever mention that before and he didn't word it the way you just worded it either. I guess I'll stick to chasing the real thing (penetration) doesn't mean I'll find it, but that reminds me of Titty F**king, unless you are in the moist pink then you are just rubbing against skin.[/QUOTE]That sort of thing used to be prevalent at parlors where American girls were featured. Ran into it a lot in the '90's at parlors in Harrisburg, PA. As for the ATL I've been offered it at Angel, Lemon and Luna for stupid amounts and always declined. As you said, it's not worth it.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5451556]But the election was stolen from Donald so no one says a word:

Based on a rolling daily average, Atlanta CCP virus cases and hospitalizations have doubled over the last 2 weeks.

US CCP virus cases are up 70% week over week. Deaths up 22% week over week.

In Israel, 60% of those hospitalized for CCP virus and in serious condition have been fully vaccinated.

The nation of Gibraltar had all citizens vaccinated by April. Gibraltar now has the third highest per capita rate of CCP infections worldwide.

Foo Fighters banned the unvaccinated from their concert. A vaccinated Foo Fighter contracted CCP virus. That concert is now cancelled.

The Royal Navy's flagship, HMS Queen Elizabeth has been out at sea for 8 weeks. There have been around 100 cases of CCP virus on the aircraft carrier. Several other warships in the fleet accompanying it are also affected but the numbers of those infected aren't known. All crew on the deployment have received two doses of a CCP virus vaccine.

Ending on a brighter note, three fully vaccinated Texas Democrats who fled to Washington, D. C. on a political stunt have tested positive for CCP Virus.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/maryland-unvaccinated-covid-deaths/index.html[/URL]

In Maryland, every person who died of Covid-19 in June was unvaccinated. That's not an aberration, experts say.

"(CNN) Last month 130 people died of Covid-19 in Maryland. None of them were vaccinated, according to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan.

In addition, unvaccinated people made up 95% of new Covid-19 cases in the state and 93% of new Covid-19 hospitalizations, Hogan said at a news conference Wednesday. ".

Or for nationwide figures:

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/1017002907/u-s-covid-deaths-are-rising-again-experts-call-it-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated[/URL]

"More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC's Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations. ".

The distribution of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are all overwhelmingly tilted towards the unvaccinated, with each more tilted than the last. It'll take some time before we start getting more comprehensive data but its clear that the vaccinated and unvaccinated are living in very different worlds in terms of Covid-19.

To be frank the long-term reality is that this is going to be like the various flu strains where you get a shot once a year or something (quite possibly packaged with said flu shot), not polio or smallpox where it would outright get eliminated. The efficacy of vaccines was in the middling 90's even for the things they specifically targeted which is hardly a sure thing, and while they're even less effective at preventing new strands like the delta variant, they massively reduce the likelihood of hospitalization or death. Note how Gibraltar has rising cases BUT NOT RISING DEATHS. Even countries like the UK which have yet to fully vaccinated have noticeably lower deaths than the rising case rate would indicate, as cases are either among older people that have been vaccinated and are largely protected, or younger people who are less vaccinated but less likely to die as an unvaccinated. Though plenty still do.

Of course its fascinating to a see jump from "Covid-19 is harmless and deaths blamed on it are just old people whose time has come up" to "vaccines are not able to prevent the deadly scourge of Covid-19". Strange how they didn't believe the numbers for Covid-19 but are 100% convinced of the numbers for Covid-19 on vaccinated. Almost like the sole objective is any excuse to be contrarian, starting with their desired conclusion and working back from there.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5452084]It looks like NiteLuvr-of-cock got blind drunk and behind the keyboard again.

So here's some advice: Fat, drunk, stupid, and sucking down conspiracy theories like you do a liberal cock isn't engaging. These are probably the reasons why you always wind up being the bottom of a BBC cuck gangbang.

Oh yeah. You aren't scary. You're like the least frightening person on here. The only frightening thing about you is how you probably ruined every thanksgiving dinner you've stopped getting invites to.

Now clean up the vomit from your alcohol-induced fever dream, wash the jizz out of your gaping ass, and fuck off.[/QUOTE]Punks like you will always live in fear of me. It's the best you can do, pussy boy.

[QUOTE=Niteluvr;5453325]Punks like you will always live in fear of me. It's the best you can do, pussy boy.[/QUOTE]Roger Your meaningless dribble is now beyond boring. Time to change thumbs Roger

New CCP Virus cases globally reported on July 19th, 2020:224,142.

New CCP Virus cases globally reported on July 19th, 2021:562,567.

New CCP Virus deaths globally reported on July 19th, 2020:6,204.

New CCP Virus deaths globally reported on July 19th, 2021:8,653.

In Israel, 90% of those hospitalized for CCP Virus and over the age of 50 have been twice vaccinated.

In the UK, new hospital admissions for CCP Virus of those twice vaccinated surpass new admissions of those who have yet to be vaccinated once.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5453850]New CCP Virus cases globally reported on July 19th, 2020:224,142.

New CCP Virus cases globally reported on July 19th, 2021:562,567.

New CCP Virus deaths globally reported on July 19th, 2020:6,204.

New CCP Virus deaths globally reported on July 19th, 2021:8,653.

In Israel, 90% of those hospitalized for CCP Virus and over the age of 50 have been twice vaccinated.

In the UK, new hospital admissions for CCP Virus of those twice vaccinated surpass new admissions of those who have yet to be vaccinated once.[/QUOTE]Link to something besides a parler share? Nothing coming out of the medical community supports your bullshit regarding vaccinations.

[b]UK Covid hospital admissions breach 500 for first time since mid-March.[/b]

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9773473/UK-Covid-hospital-admissions-breach-500-time-mid-March.html[/URL]

Only thing bad about him is his breath. Probably from sucking so much rimming so much Qanon ass and sucking liberal cock. We should all be afraid of him and his 10 K+ posts. LOL.

Stupid cuck.

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5453578]Roger Your meaningless dribble is now beyond boring. Time to change thumbs Roger[/QUOTE]I think it has something to do with RogerOver's sister repeatedly denying his JOI requests.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5454004]Link to something besides a parler share? Nothing coming out of the medical community supports your bullshit regarding vaccinations.

[b]UK Covid hospital admissions breach 500 for first time since mid-March.[/b]

[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9773473/UK-Covid-hospital-admissions-breach-500-time-mid-March.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Here you go. Pro Tip: No one on line or in your regular life thinks less of you because you are small in stature. It's just a glitch that exists solely in your mind. Stop being the creation of others.

[URL]https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084[/URL]

[URL]https://covid.joinzoe.com/data[/URL]#levels-over-time.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/[/URL]

[URL]https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/index.php[/URL]#us.

[URL]https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/details.php?documentID=Major[/URL]+Indicators&documentName=Major+Indicators&eventID=9999&category_id=COVID-19+Testing&category=COVID-19+Testing&objectID=235.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617[/URL]

[QUOTE=RogerOver;5454017]Only thing bad about him is his breath. Probably from sucking so much rimming so much Qanon ass and sucking liberal cock. We should all be afraid of him and his 10 K+ posts. LOL.

Stupid cuck.[/QUOTE]The term. CUCK. Is used for individuals of progressive views. That is YOU not Niteluvr YOU DILBERT MOTHER FUCKER.

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5456525]The term. CUCK. Is used for individuals of progressive views. That is YOU not Niteluvr YOU DILBERT MOTHER FUCKER.[/QUOTE]If RogerSuckDick thinks he's, in any way, progressing on anything, then he's smoking his own shit. That failed Chuck E. Cheese career fiasco is weighing heavily on his conscience.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5456403]Here you go. Pro Tip: No one on line or in your regular life thinks less of you because you are small in stature. It's just a glitch that exists solely in your mind. Stop being the creation of others.

[URL]https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084[/URL]

[URL]https://covid.joinzoe.com/data[/URL]#levels-over-time.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/[/URL]

[URL]https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/index.php[/URL]#us.

[URL]https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/details.php?documentID=Major[/URL]+Indicators&documentName=Major+Indicators&eventID=9999&category_id=COVID-19+Testing&category=COVID-19+Testing&objectID=235.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617[/URL][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/us/ma...ths/index.html[/URL]

In Maryland, every person who died of Covid-19 in June was unvaccinated. That's not an aberration, experts say.

"(CNN) Last month 130 people died of Covid-19 in Maryland. None of them were vaccinated, according to Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan.

In addition, unvaccinated people made up 95% of new Covid-19 cases in the state and 93% of new Covid-19 hospitalizations, Hogan said at a news conference Wednesday. ".

Or for nationwide figures:

[URL]https://www.npr.org/2021/07/16/10170...e-unvaccinated[/URL]

"More than 99% of recent deaths were among the unvaccinated, infectious disease expert Dr. Anthony Fauci said earlier this month on NBC's Meet the Press, while Walensky noted on Friday that unvaccinated people accounted for over 97% of hospitalizations. ".

The distribution of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are all overwhelmingly tilted towards the unvaccinated, with each more tilted than the last. It'll take some time before we start getting more comprehensive data but its clear that the vaccinated and unvaccinated are living in very different worlds in terms of Covid-19.

To be frank the long-term reality is that this is going to be like the various flu strains where you get a shot once a year or something (quite possibly packaged with said flu shot), not polio or smallpox where it would outright get eliminated. The efficacy of vaccines was in the middling 90's even for the things they specifically targeted which is hardly a sure thing, and while they're even less effective at preventing new strands like the delta variant, they massively reduce the likelihood of hospitalization or death. Note how Gibraltar has rising cases BUT NOT RISING DEATHS. Even countries like the UK which have yet to fully vaccinated have noticeably lower deaths than the rising case rate would indicate, as cases are either among older people that have been vaccinated and are largely protected, or younger people who are less vaccinated but less likely to die as an unvaccinated. Though plenty still do.

Of course its fascinating to a see jump from "Covid-19 is harmless and deaths blamed on it are just old people whose time has come up" to "vaccines are not able to prevent the deadly scourge of Covid-19". Strange how they didn't believe the numbers for Covid-19 but are 100% convinced of the numbers for Covid-19 on vaccinated. Almost like the sole objective is any excuse to be contrarian, starting with their desired conclusion and working back from there.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5456403]Here you go. Pro Tip: No one on line or in your regular life thinks less of you because you are small in stature. It's just a glitch that exists solely in your mind. Stop being the creation of others.

[URL]https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084[/URL]

[URL]https://covid.joinzoe.com/data[/URL]#levels-over-time.

[URL]https://www.worldometers.info/[/URL]

[URL]https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/index.php[/URL]#us.

[URL]https://www.msightly.com/covid-19/details.php?documentID=Major[/URL]+Indicators&documentName=Major+Indicators&eventID=9999&category_id=COVID-19+Testing&category=COVID-19+Testing&objectID=235.

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57830617[/URL][/QUOTE]Given that the current deaths, hospitalizations, and new cases are close to 100% unvaccinated, the GQP would be stupid to NOT push getting vaccinated to their base. The "vaccinated", play by the rules, and use common sense while Darwinism will take care of the unvaccinated. But hey "What do you have to lose?" - D. Trump 8/12/16. LOL so much 'winning'.

'CDC now says it has received reports of 12,313 deaths following Covid vaccination in the US. Compared to under 6,000 last week. The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than all other vaccines combined in the thirty year history of CDC reporting on vaccine deaths. '.

And.

Get DNA altering non-vax vax, get sick and help create new mutant strains.

Based on actual real facts, you have it all wrong. For example: People die all the time, everyday. Dying after getting the vaccine is not unusual, people die everyday. Given that vaccines have never been administered in such large numbers it stands to reason that if 80% of the people got vaccinated that they would account for 80% of deaths. From all causes. Common sense man! On the DNA thing, check your sources, check your facts, the mRNA vaccines absolutely do not alter DNA. I know that rumor is popular but popularity doesn't make it factual!

ARG.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5457091]'CDC now says it has received reports of 12,313 deaths following Covid vaccination in the US. Compared to under 6,000 last week. The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than all other vaccines combined in the thirty year history of CDC reporting on vaccine deaths. '.

And.

Get DNA altering non-vax vax, get sick and help create new mutant strains.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5457091]'CDC now says it has received reports of 12,313 deaths following Covid vaccination in the US. Compared to under 6,000 last week. The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than all other vaccines combined in the thirty year history of CDC reporting on vaccine deaths. '.

And.

Get DNA altering non-vax vax, get sick and help create new mutant strains.[/QUOTE]Dude the people who are dying are the unvaccinated in the US according to the CDC not those who are vaccinated.

Also I read your link about Israel vaccine I noticed you left something out.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/for-first-time-since-march-855-new-coronavirus-cases-in-israel-674084

"The effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine against the Delta variant is weaker than health officials had hoped."

There's more than one vaccine and like Moderena vaccine which has proven to be effective towards the delta vartaint and even though Pfizer is weaker towards Delta it's still help keeping the death rate down.

"Israel: Evidence for vaccine effectiveness against Delta
Percent of cases that turn critically ill is now 1.6%, compared to 4% at a similar stage in the 3rd wave when there were no vaccines."

Your very same link disproves your nonsense.🤣

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5457556]Dude the people who are dying are the unvaccinated in the US according to the CDC not those who are vaccinated.


🤣[/QUOTE]Absolutely false, according to the hard stats. For the 2nd week in a row, according to the CDC VAERS data, more people are dying from the vaccinations than from actual COVID. Now clearly that trend can't continue, but what's wrong with this picture? That we have even one data point like that is alarming, much less 2 in a row now. Objectively speaking, there should be more discussion on this, as clearly there is an issue. The data is very clear, these vaccines are extreme outliers in terms of safety, and no one wants to even mention it, much less have informed discussions about it.

[URL]https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/second-week-row-covid-19-vaccination-deaths-covid-19-deaths-us-according-cdc-vaers-websites/[/URL]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5457711]Absolutely false, according to the hard stats. For the 2nd week in a row, according to the CDC VAERS data, more people are dying from the vaccinations than from actual COVID. Now clearly that trend can't continue, but what's wrong with this picture? That we have even one data point like that is alarming, much less 2 in a row now. Objectively speaking, there should be more discussion on this, as clearly there is an issue. The data is very clear, these vaccines are extreme outliers in terms of safety, and no one wants to even mention it, much less have informed discussions about it.

[URL]https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/second-week-row-covid-19-vaccination-deaths-covid-19-deaths-us-according-cdc-vaers-websites/[/URL][/QUOTE]First off the gatewaypundit... no, second they are some major flaws when it comes to the VAERS data most due to antivaxxers trying to screw with the data for their own ends.


[URL]https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/americans-governments-vaers-database-analysis/story?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&id=77196039&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16269003020092&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FHealth%2Famericans-governments-vaers-database-analysis%2Fstory%3Fid%3D77196039[/URL]

A FBI informant hatched the plot to kidnap Whitmer.

A FBI informant led recon missions showing members the location of Whitmer's vacation cabin.

A FBI informant secured weapons for the 'mission'.

A FBI informant was paid $24 k and given a new car by the FBI.

A FBI informant recruited members online and provided airline tickets, motel rooms and meals to the new members. All paid for by the FBI.

12 of the 18 named in the plot to kidnap Whitmer were FBI informants.

FBI informants were informing the FBI on the actions of other FBI informants who were informing the FBI on the actions of those same FBI informants.

The FBI case officer who ran the operation to thwart the Whitmer kidnapping was promoted and is now in charge of the investigation regarding the Jan. 6 insurrection plan to overthrow the government.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5457752]A FBI informant hatched the plot to kidnap Whitmer.

A FBI informant led recon missions showing members the location of Whitmer's vacation cabin.

A FBI informant secured weapons for the 'mission'.

A FBI informant was paid $24 k and given a new car by the FBI.

A FBI informant recruited members online and provided airline tickets, motel rooms and meals to the new members. All paid for by the FBI.

12 of the 18 named in the plot to kidnap Whitmer were FBI informants.

FBI informants were informing the FBI on the actions of other FBI informants who were informing the FBI on the actions of those same FBI informants.

The FBI case officer who ran the operation to thwart the Whitmer kidnapping was promoted and is now in charge of the investigation regarding the Jan. 6 insurrection plan to overthrow the government.[/QUOTE]There's no evidence that the FBI pay for any of their crap.

[URL]https://www.insider.com/kidnapping-conspiracy-whitmer-fbi-informants-report-2021-7[/URL]

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5457091]'CDC now says it has received reports of 12,313 deaths following Covid vaccination in the US. Compared to under 6,000 last week. The new figure means CDC has now received more reports of deaths following Covid vaccination than all other vaccines combined in the thirty year history of CDC reporting on vaccine deaths. '.

And.

Get DNA altering non-vax vax, get sick and help create new mutant strains.[/QUOTE]Geez, you spew so much bullshit, I don't know if I should offer you a breath mint or some toilet paper. FYI, the data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System(VAERS) does NOT support the FALSE claims that thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can make a submission to the VAERS database. Cases are not fact-checked, making them scientifically unreliable. According to the CDC, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsies, and medical records, has NOT established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines.

[I]More than 334 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 12, 2021, the CDC said in a statement. During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. That number is not a death toll.

The CDC goes on to say: FDA requires healthcare providers to report ANY death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if its UNCLEAR whether the vaccine was the cause. [B]Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.[/B][/I]

Examples in the database include:

[I]"The patient who had an apparent cardiac arrest on 12/23/20 and was admitted to the ICU. He was taken off of life support on 12/30/20. He had known cardiac disease."

"There were no adverse reactions. Resident Died, she had a history of issues with her health prior to the vaccine."

Doctor Stephanie Shore with UF Health said she and her colleagues report data to VAERS, even if they are unsure an adverse event is related to the COVID-19 vaccine.[/I]

[B]This from the CDC: Statements that imply that deaths following vaccination equate to deaths caused by vaccination are, "scientifically inaccurate, misleading, and irresponsible. ".[/B]

[I]When a serious adverse event is reported, like death, CDC requests and reviews all available medical records, death certificates which specify the cause of death, and autopsy reports. CDC reviews these records and verifies the certified cause of death. Then does further analysis to see if theres anything unusual or unexpected happening in other monitoring systems like the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD).[/I]

"If a Doctor fails to recommend the vaccine, and the patient suffers harm, the Doc can be sued into oblivion. But if a Doctor recommends the vaccine, and the patient suffers harm, including death from the vaccine, he is completely immune from suit. What do you think most Doctors will do?"

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5457869]"But if a Doctor recommends the vaccine, and the patient suffers harm, including death from the vaccine, he is completely immune from suit."[/QUOTE]Umm no he's not, you clearly have no idea what your talking about.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5457752]A FBI informant hatched the plot to kidnap Whitmer.

A FBI informant led recon missions showing members the location of Whitmer's vacation cabin.

A FBI informant secured weapons for the 'mission'.

A FBI informant was paid $24 k and given a new car by the FBI.

A FBI informant recruited members online and provided airline tickets, motel rooms and meals to the new members. All paid for by the FBI.

12 of the 18 named in the plot to kidnap Whitmer were FBI informants.

FBI informants were informing the FBI on the actions of other FBI informants who were informing the FBI on the actions of those same FBI informants.

The FBI case officer who ran the operation to thwart the Whitmer kidnapping was promoted and is now in charge of the investigation regarding the Jan. 6 insurrection plan to overthrow the government.[/QUOTE]No surprise, they ratted out their white supremacist colleagues for monetary gain and without them, Michigan Gov Wittmer would probably have been kidnapped and killed. The FBI relies heavily on the systematic recruitment and operation of human sources in nearly every facet of its wide-ranging investigatory purview, including counterintelligence activities conducted jointly with the Central Intelligence Agency and military intelligence. The identities of informants, many of whom have criminal histories or face criminal charges, are tightly held secrets. Thus, negotiations around their cooperation, and any benefits they may receivewhich can include financial compensationtake place largely off the record.

The Gatewaypundit has nothing to do with it and you know it. The source could just as well have been CNN, except they won't dare put out anything negative against the vaccines, even if it's actual factual news. That's negligent reporting, but it's unfortunately rampant when it comes to the vaccine agenda here. The data and the links provided were straight from the CDC and you know that. The VAERS system has been used for all vaccines for more than 30 years, and there is follow-up done by the CDC. These deaths are not being faked. We're supposed to believe all of sudden there's a huge anomaly with this sytem? You're really reaching here with the rationalizations.

Norway took a hard look at their vaccination program and here was their conclusion:

"Calculations have been performed based on Norwegian data where the risk of dying from COVID-19 disease among the different age groups is compared with the risk of dying from the severe, but rare, condition with severe blood clots observed after AstraZeneca vaccination.

"Since there are few people who die from COVID-19 in Norway, the risk of dying after vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine would be higher than the risk of dying from the disease, particularly for younger people," says Bukholm. ".

[URL]https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/astrazeneca-vaccine-removed-from-coronavirus-immunisation-programme-in-norw/?s=09[/URL]

They are looking into the claims against other vaccines now as well.

That's the kind of honest risk assessment that should be being done here, but is taboo to even be talked about here. If anyone dare brings it up, they are censored and labeled as spreading disinformation. This is doing a great disservice to the people, and time will bear this out, but it's already too late for many, and the long-term consequences may be dire for many more (only time will reveal this).

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5457729]First off the gatewaypundit... no, second they are some major flaws when it comes to the VAERS data most due to antivaxxers trying to screw with the data for their own ends.


[URL]https://abcnews-go-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/americans-governments-vaers-database-analysis/story?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&id=77196039&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16269003020092&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fabcnews.go.com%2FHealth%2Famericans-governments-vaers-database-analysis%2Fstory%3Fid%3D77196039[/URL][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5458176]The Gatewaypundit has nothing to do with it and you know it. The source could just as well have been CNN, except they won't dare put out anything negative against the vaccines, even if it's actual factual news. That's negligent reporting, but it's unfortunately rampant when it comes to the vaccine agenda here. The data and the links provided were straight from the CDC and you know that. The VAERS system has been used for all vaccines for more than 30 years, and there is follow-up done by the CDC. These deaths are not being faked. We're supposed to believe all of sudden there's a huge anomaly with this sytem? You're really reaching here with the rationalizations.

[/QUOTE]
CNN does report negative stuff about the vaccines when there's actually data and research backing it up.

[url] https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/12/health/johnson-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome-fda/index.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16269208913872&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2021%2F07%2F12%2Fhealth%2Fjohnson-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome-fda%2Findex.html[/url]

Also the CDC has always stated that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be and also look at St Soros (5 post down) explaining why VAERS data isn't reliable.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5458176] Norway took a hard look at their vaccination program and here was their conclusion:

"Calculations have been performed based on Norwegian data where the risk of dying from COVID-19 disease among the different age groups is compared with the risk of dying from the severe, but rare, condition with severe blood clots observed after AstraZeneca vaccination.

"Since there are few people who die from COVID-19 in Norway, the risk of dying after vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine would be higher than the risk of dying from the disease, particularly for younger people," says Bukholm. ".

https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/astr...-in-norw/?s=09

They are looking into the claims against other vaccines now as well.[/QUOTE]


Also that news article of your is a bit out of date, here's the most recent one.

[url] https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/norwegian-danish-study-of-rare-side-effects-in-connection-with-astrazeneca-/[/url]

"The results from the work have been shared continuously with the Norwegian, Danish and international authorities and were included in their assessments about the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

There is no contradiction between our findings and the European Medicines Agency's (EMA) assessment of the vaccine. Although rare, severe side effects can occur, the EMA has stated that the overall benefit of the vaccine outweighs the risk, says Gulseth.

Gulseth points out that COVID-19 is a severe disease, and each country must therefore make their own assessment of the benefits of the vaccine compared to the risk of possible side effects. The assessment must be based on the situation in each country, such as the number of cases of severe side effects, the degree of control of the epidemic, and access to alternative vaccines."

Oh, there's plenty of data to back it up, the same data that's been used for 30 years. They just don't want to use it now because it doesn't suit their purpose. Again, this is data the CDC itself uses, so although you worship the CDC on the one hand, now you want to criticize the data they themself use because it shows a problem for your agenda. VAERS data is the standard for vaccines, and this same standard has been used and applied for vaccines for more than 30 years. Now we've got these experimental vaccines clearly sticking out as problematic outliers, and you want to claim it's all a problem with the system? Give me a break. The system may not be perfect, but after 30 years it's still the best we have, and any fool can look at those graphs and see those huge jumps in deaths are indicative of problems with these vaccines, and not the system.

Put your bias aside and try to be objective for once. I could care less about politics, but hearing your idol Biden talk last night about how the vaccine had ended the epidemic for the vaccinated showed what a hypocrite he is, and how he is willing to risk the public's health for the sake of politics. Here he's had his administration on a campaign against "disinformation" against the vaccines, and then he goes and makes a completely false statement like that when we're in the midst of the Delta variant on the move, which the vaccines have been proven to be ineffective against the spread. Bold-faced lies to push his agenda and make himself look better, but only proves himself ignorant to those who are actually informed.

As for Norway, they didn't change their ruling or their rationale, so they stand by the assessment in the article that I linked.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5458253]CNN does report negative stuff about the vaccines when there's actually data and research backing it up.

[url] https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/07/12/health/johnson-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome-fda/index.html?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16269208913872&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2021%2F07%2F12%2Fhealth%2Fjohnson-vaccine-guillain-barre-syndrome-fda%2Findex.html[/url]

Also the CDC has always stated that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be and also look at St Soros (5 post down) explaining why VAERS data isn't reliable.




Also that news article of your is a bit out of date, here's the most recent one.

[url] https://www.fhi.no/en/news/2021/norwegian-danish-study-of-rare-side-effects-in-connection-with-astrazeneca-/[/url]

"The results from the work have been shared continuously with the Norwegian, Danish and international authorities and were included in their assessments about the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

There is no contradiction between our findings and the European Medicines Agency's (EMA) assessment of the vaccine. Although rare, severe side effects can occur, the EMA has stated that the overall benefit of the vaccine outweighs the risk, says Gulseth.

Gulseth points out that COVID-19 is a severe disease, and each country must therefore make their own assessment of the benefits of the vaccine compared to the risk of possible side effects. The assessment must be based on the situation in each country, such as the number of cases of severe side effects, the degree of control of the epidemic, and access to alternative vaccines."[/QUOTE]

Oh, so you mean it's like COVID stats then, right? So it's ok to count COVID deaths that way, but not vaccine deaths? Bit of a double-standard there, isn't it?

You don't have to answer, it's a rhetorical question really, because the point is this is how VAERS data has always been collected. And by that same measure, these vaccines are extreme outliers.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5457795]Geez, you spew so much bullshit, I don't know if I should offer you a breath mint or some toilet paper. FYI, the data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System(VAERS) does NOT support the FALSE claims that thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can make a submission to the VAERS database. Cases are not fact-checked, making them scientifically unreliable. According to the CDC, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsies, and medical records, has NOT established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines.

[I]More than 334 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 12, 2021, the CDC said in a statement. During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. That number is not a death toll.

The CDC goes on to say: FDA requires healthcare providers to report ANY death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if its UNCLEAR whether the vaccine was the cause. [B]Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem.[/B][/I]

Examples in the database include:

[I]"The patient who had an apparent cardiac arrest on 12/23/20 and was admitted to the ICU. He was taken off of life support on 12/30/20. He had known cardiac disease."

"There were no adverse reactions. Resident Died, she had a history of issues with her health prior to the vaccine."

Doctor Stephanie Shore with UF Health said she and her colleagues report data to VAERS, even if they are unsure an adverse event is related to the COVID-19 vaccine.[/I]

[B]This from the CDC: Statements that imply that deaths following vaccination equate to deaths caused by vaccination are, "scientifically inaccurate, misleading, and irresponsible. ".[/B]

[I]When a serious adverse event is reported, like death, CDC requests and reviews all available medical records, death certificates which specify the cause of death, and autopsy reports. CDC reviews these records and verifies the certified cause of death. Then does further analysis to see if theres anything unusual or unexpected happening in other monitoring systems like the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD).[/I][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5458668]Oh, there's plenty of data to back it up, the same data that's been used for 30 years. They just don't want to use it now because it doesn't suit their purpose. Again, this is data the CDC itself uses, so although you worship the CDC on the one hand, now you want to criticize the data they themself use because it shows a problem for your agenda. VAERS data is the standard for vaccines, and this same standard has been used and applied for vaccines for more than 30 years. Now we've got these experimental vaccines clearly sticking out as problematic outliers, and you want to claim it's all a problem with the system? Give me a break. The system may not be perfect, but after 30 years it's still the best we have, and any fool can look at those graphs and see those huge jumps in deaths are indicative of problems with these vaccines, and not the system.

[/QUOTE]Like St Soros said the data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) does NOT support the FALSE claims that thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can make a submission to the VAERS database. Cases are not fact-checked, making them scientifically unreliable. According to the CDC, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsies, and medical records, has NOT established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines. Also I'll stated once again the CDC has ALWAYS stated that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5458668] Put your bias aside and try to be objective for once. I could care less about politics, but hearing your idol Biden talk last night about how the vaccine had ended the epidemic for the vaccinated.[/QUOTE]Yes he's completely correct about this.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5458668] when we're in the midst of the Delta variant on the move, which the vaccines have been proven to be ineffective against the spread. [/QUOTE]No they have been proven effective towards the delta vartaint if you're vaccinated, note 99% of cases of COVID-19 currently are the unvaccinated.

I can see there's no reasoning with you, and you just want to shine Joe's shoes no matter how much dirt he kicks up on you in the process. Like I said, I could care less about politicians and think 99% of them are in it for themselves. This clip should give you an idea of what a hypocrite your idol is:

[URL]https://twitter.com/KyleMartinsen_/status/1416094954603044864[/URL]

In there, your guy is criticizing Trump for pushing the vaccines and saying they're unsafe and asking "who's going to take the first shot?" Now he's standing up there trying to take all the credit and cram them down everyone's throat. Disgusting, typical politician.

You need to get your facts straight about the Delta variant. Stats from both the UK and Israel, where the Delta variant is much more advanced, are showing equal percentages of vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated infections and death:

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-19-heres-why-scientists-arent-surprised-11625227200?st=1d40lr94h6fw4ja&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink[/URL]

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-50-of-delta-variant-cases-vaccinated-severe-2021-6[/URL]

[URL]https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-will-triple-daily-covid-cases-in-10-days-health-officials-predict-1.9958892[/URL]

Pfizer itself admits the effectiveness of their vaccine drops to 64% for the fully vaccinated, and is already talking about a 3rd booster. These vaccines, while they may help reduce the symptoms, are not that effective in reducing the spread, and this is a huge problem. Many prominent virologist believe these vaccines are actually creating these variants for this very reason, and this is a debate we should be openly having, but of course, it's being censored like many other healthy discussions that should be taking place.

Biden's pushing misinformation about the vaccines ending the pandemic, and you're aiding in that campaign by spreading the BS as well. This thing is far from over, and has been completely mishandled, and it's clear it will continue to be. Lockdowns and vaccinations are not the answers, but stupid political band-aid appeasement tactics with much worse overall consequences.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5458734]Like St Soros said the data from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) does NOT support the FALSE claims that thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can make a submission to the VAERS database. Cases are not fact-checked, making them scientifically unreliable. According to the CDC, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsies, and medical records, has NOT established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines. Also I'll stated once again the CDC has ALWAYS stated that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be.

Yes he's completely correct about this.

No they have been proven effective towards the delta vartaint if you're vaccinated, note 99% of cases of COVID-19 currently are the unvaccinated.[/QUOTE]

Israel data shows 60% of recent covid hospitalized are vaxxed, and 90% of those 50 and over recent hospitalized w / covid are vaxxed.

UK data show 60% of recent covid hospitalized are vaxxed.

I can't find US data on vax / hosp. Same virus. Basically same vaccines as Uk and Israel but all I hear in US are politicians claiming new covid hospitalized are 90-99% unvaxxed.

Somebody's lying.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5459016]Israel data shows 60% of recent covid hospitalized are vaxxed, and 90% of those 50 and over recent hospitalized w / covid are vaxxed.

UK data show 60% of recent covid hospitalized are vaxxed.

I can't find US data on vax / hosp. Same virus. Basically same vaccines as Uk and Israel but all I hear in US are politicians claiming new covid hospitalized are 90-99% unvaxxed.

Somebody's lying.[/QUOTE]A quick Google search shows that 60% of Covid hospitalizations are NOT vaxxed.

I imagine I will find similar results in your other claims.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5458933]
You need to get your facts straight about the Delta variant. Stats from both the UK and Israel, where the Delta variant is much more advanced, are showing equal percentages of vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated infections and death:

[URL]https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-vaccinated-people-are-dying-of-covid-19-heres-why-scientists-arent-surprised-11625227200?st=1d40lr94h6fw4ja&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink[/URL]

[URL]https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-50-of-delta-variant-cases-vaccinated-severe-2021-6[/URL]

[URL]https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-will-triple-daily-covid-cases-in-10-days-health-officials-predict-1.9958892[/URL]

Pfizer itself admits the effectiveness of their vaccine drops to 64% for the fully vaccinated, and is already talking about a 3rd booster. These vaccines, while they may help reduce the symptoms, are not that effective in reducing the spread, and this is a huge problem. Many prominent virologist believe these vaccines are actually creating these variants for this very reason, and this is a debate we should be openly having, but of course, it's being censored like many other healthy discussions that should be taking place.

Biden's pushing misinformation about the vaccines ending the pandemic, and you're aiding in that campaign by spreading the BS as well. This thing is far from over, and has been completely mishandled, and it's clear it will continue to be. Lockdowns and vaccinations are not the answers, but stupid political band-aid appeasement tactics with much worse overall consequences.[/QUOTE]Its important to distinguish between 0, 1, and 2 doses. See this article from the UK:

[URL] https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-half-covid-19-cases-had-vaccine-study-zoe-delta-2021-7[/URL]

Having one dose offered significantly less protection than two doses against prior variants, against Delta having one dose is only marginally better than no doses at all. But getting two doses is still quite effective.

As of July 15, an estimated 17,581 new daily UK cases of COVID-19 were in unvaccinated people, the study authors said in a press release on Thursday.

That compares to an estimated 15,537 new COVID-19 cases in people who had at least one dose of the vaccine, which is about 47% of all cases.

70% of the UK is at least partially vaccinated but they only account for 47% of all cases. If you were to further break it down by 1 and 2 doses, given the above chart its an easy bet that an outsized proportion of that 47% is from 15% or so of the UK that is partially vaccinated. More broadly speaking as vaccinations trend upward, statistically the odds of a new case being someone whose vaccinated will tick up, with the obvious conclusion being well, places like Gibraltar where close to 100% of people are vaccinated and thus will account for all new cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

What is clear is that vaccinations do help, even against the Delta variant they weren't even designed for. The CDC indicates that from December 14th when the first vaccine was administered to July 12th, a total of 1,063 vaccinated Americans have died of "breakthrough" Covid-19 cases, 3/4 ers of them elderly. Roughly that many unvaccinated Americans die every 4 days currently.

[URL]https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html[/URL]

In protecting against infection, Pfizer vaccines are 95% effective for the alpha variant but only 64% effective for the delta variant.

In preventing symptomatic COVID-19 cases, Pfizer vaccines are 97% effective for the alpha variant but only 64% effective for the delta variant.

In preventing hospitalization and serious disease, Pfizer vaccines are 97.5% effective for the alpha variant and still 93% effective for the delta variant.

While the Pfizer vaccine is less effective against the delta variant, the vaccine's effectiveness still far exceeds the 50% vaccine efficacy threshold required for WHO approval, according to the organization's website.

"Just because a variant emerges that renders the vaccines less effective doesn't mean those vaccines weren't effective in the first place," according to The Washington Post.

This article [URL]https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/7/20/22584134/whats-going-on-in-israels-outbreak-among-vaccinated-people[/URL]

which acknowledges a significant reducation in effect by Pfizer vaccines against cases in Israel still acknowledges that it is highly effective at preventing hospitalization and serious disease, something important given that Delta might be as much as twice the baseline hospitalization rate of older variants. Meanwhile 2/3 rds protection against spread is still a significant reduction in spread. And yes in the long run we will have to take seasonal vaccines like we do with the flu. Does it eradicate the flu? No. Does it have 90%+ efficacy? Not always. But is it worth it? Yes.

Also vaccines do not 'create' variants. What creates variants is more people getting infected, resulting in more opportunities for viruses to mutate into more dangerous forms. There was already variants popping up before any vaccine appeared whose fitness was so high that they largely replaced existing strains. Delta would've taken the same course of action regardless of whether or not vaccines decimated the 'competition' or not. I directly blame the rise of variants on a failure of people to take lockdowns seriously, then a failure of people to take vaccinations seriously.

The lockdowns were a disaster and history has shown that. Everyone said GA was going to be a COVID nightmare by never entirely shutting down, and being the first to reopen. Never happened. The lockdown states fared far worse. History will show the same for these experimental vaccines. The difference between you and me is that I'm willing to say that regardless of whether Trump or Biden is pushing the agenda, whereas you would argue for your idol's side and rationalize away the facts according to how the political winds suit him. He's your god and he can never do wrong. Worship at his feet.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5459165]blah blah blah a lot of rationalizations and semantics that amount to nothing[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5459203]The lockdowns were a disaster and history has shown that. Everyone said GA was going to be a COVID nightmare by never entirely shutting down, and being the first to reopen. Never happened. The lockdown states fared far worse. History will show the same for these experimental vaccines. The difference between you and me is that I'm willing to say that regardless of whether Trump or Biden is pushing the agenda, whereas you would argue for your idol's side and rationalize away the facts according to how the political winds suit him. He's your god and he can never do wrong. Worship at his feet.[/QUOTE]Just curious, have you received any of the three “experimental” COVID vaccine shots?

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5459203]The lockdowns were a disaster and history has shown that. Everyone said GA was going to be a COVID nightmare by never entirely shutting down, and being the first to reopen. Never happened. The lockdown states fared far worse. History will show the same for these experimental vaccines.[/QUOTE]The lockdowns were a disaster...for the USA.

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Which implemented too little, too late, too disparately. There are numerous countries around the world which successfully locked down early, had no major outbreaks, then were subsequently able to reopen earlier and more completely minimizing the economic hit. Trying to avoid a lockdown was not possible, for the simple reality that whenever things got bad enough people voluntarily locked down and ensured businesses would get hit hard economically even if things were "open". The only route to reopening businesses was getting the pandemic under control, which Trumpist USA refused and continues to refuse to do.

Meanwhile the efficacy of vaccines at both massively reducing cases, hospitalizations, and deaths is demonstrated again and again in country after country, state after state. For example:

[url]https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/07/08/unvaccinated-and-partially-vaccinated-virginians-account-for-virtually-all-new-covid-cases-since-december-data-shows/[/url]
From December 29 to June 25,99. 7 percent of new COVID-19 cases have occurred among unvaccinated or partially vaccinated Virginians, according to VDH. Those residents made up 99.3 percent of hospitalizations and 99.6 percent of deaths over the same time period.

The reality is that the data shows that people died of Covid, lockdowns can work if done right, and vaccinations are effective, to some extent even against variant strands that showed up later.

No, I have not. And why put it in quotes? They are indeed experimental, and by all accounts, you are by definition participating in the Phase III trials of that experiment if you've had the vaccine. And no, I'm not an anti-vaxxer. I just don't believe these vaccines have been proven to be safe (in fact, I think the data shows quite the opposite). I also think their effectiveness leaves a lot to be desired. I believe there will be much better vaccines to come.

[QUOTE=SgtSoros;5459308]Just curious, have you received any of the three "experimental" COVID vaccine shots?[/QUOTE]