Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Lakers2010; 1456783]Hey guys:

My apologies in advance if I break a rule of etiquette. I'm a newbie to the hobby and have been reading up on as much stuff as I can to learn from the seasoned hobbyists. Well, after reading a bunch of stuff on this site I decided to try VIP today. I had a horrible time and I'm not sure if I violated some codes or did something wrong. Could you guys give me some input so I won't make the same mistake again? Here's a summary of what happened:

I I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. After reading all your experiences I was expecting a good time. But I felt like VIP took my money and didn't even really try to make me feel comfortable and and provide me with good service. If I did something wrong during the experience, then I understand and I will own up to it. But if I didn't, I'm still confused as to why my experience with Hana was so bad and the mamasan wasn't even trying to talk to me to help me out.[/QUOTE]You know from what you wrote, you seemed to do all of the right things. Despite that it could have come down to pure chemistry between you two or the girl was just a total loser and would have treated anyone this way. Only advice that I can give you is, as they say,"Get back on the horse" and don't let one bad experience prevent you from finding a good provider, which there are a lot of. Pehaps you should read over the forums and hook up with the sure fire providers like Monica at Kison, CoCo at CHM, or whomever suits your taste based upon positive reviews by other mongers that my have similar tastes to you. Personally, I stay away from VIP as it seems to be more of a miss that hit. Good luck

[QUOTE=Lakers2010; 1456783]Five minutes later this girl name Hana comes in. L. 7, she had a nice rack, but her tummy was kinda flabby, her face was a 6-6. 5, (she never smiled ONCE) , A- 1, S-1 (sorry if I may be harsh, I was just shocked at how she treated me).

The first thing Hana asks me is "can I have the money" and she was rubbing her fingers together. Her english was really broken and she tried to speak to me in Korean, but I couldn't really understand, so I told her to speak in english. I got up and pulled out $.5 from my shorts on the chair and I gave it to her. (guys, was this a mistake? Giving her the $ first?). She then walks out and comes back in 5 minutes later and tells me to turn over for a massage. (I was on my back at the time just waiting for her and I wanted to chat with her a bit first because I got a bad vibe the very first moment she walked in the room. She didn't smile when I said hi and I asked her what's wrong. She then says "I just woke up." I told her I'm sorry, but you look very beautiful. She didn't even acknowledge my comment and she had this frown on her face.)

I tried to touch her rack and she brushed my hands away. I then put my hands on her hips and she was ok with that. But the whole time she was silent and was always looking away from me at the wall. I kinda lost my hard on and she got off and wanted to switch to mish. She strokes jr. A bit to get him up again and I was in her in mish. While in mish I tried kissing her tits and she squirmed away, then I went up to kiss her neck and she said "ew gross". And the whole time we were in mish she was looking at the wall with half her hair covering her face.

She then said "hand ok?" and at this point I said no and asked her what's wrong? She said nothing was wrong and asked me if I did any drugs because I lost my hard on twice. I said no I didn't, but that I didn't understand why she was so unhappy? She then was silent and stared straight at me with the same frown she had in the beginning and then said time is almost up. At this point I got annoyed and said ok, you can have. 5, but I want my $. Back. She then said I'm crazy and she started getting dressed. I then started getting dressed then went out to the mamasan and I told her there was an issue. I was very calm the whole time to mamasan and I just told her that something was wrong with Hana. Hana then started saying all this stuff in Korean and the mamasan told me time is almost up.

I then told Hana, let's go back int he room for 10 more minutes. She obliged, followed me into the room and we both got undressed.

I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. After reading all your experiences I was expecting a good time. But I felt like VIP took my money and didn't even really try to make me feel comfortable and and provide me with good service. If I did something wrong during the experience, then I understand and I will own up to it. But if I didn't, I'm still confused as to why my experience with Hana was so bad and the mamasan wasn't even trying to talk to me to help me out.[/QUOTE]To me it seems like VIP has very mixed reviews; actually, I've seen a number of unfavorable reports compared to other places.

I don't think you did anything wrong to make her behave that way. Most girls have to put on a show to pretend they like the guy (I know girls have to try hard in my case) and this girl probably isn't that kind, especially if she was very young. Granted it was very early for her, but not even allowing her tits to be touched is unacceptable IMO.

Used to be it was a clear sign to 'Walk' when the provider demands full payment up-front. But if she asks nicely and I like what I'm 'reading' about her, I may show her that I have the money and this normally resolves things in those rare cases when I do get asked to pay first.

Also these days, they need to look out for their interests what with the robberies, raids, and guys claiming to be broke after services were rendered. With this in mind and with girls who have been so proper about it, yes I too have paid up front, but after that the girl never asked again even at the end.

Well, at least she went back in the room with you; otherwise, IMO she sounds like a DFE (Dead Fish Experience), a bad provider, and many of the things you describe are the signs of one. I know it's maddening, but it's good you got to see for yourself. Based on the way she presented herself, I would say that in this case paying up front was a wrong move but that's okay, now you know.

Try the Ward 3-plex or the neighboring Tokya Spa; there are lots of seemingly favorable reports.

Mama Chanel at Kison is very concerned with making sure the customer found everything satisfactory and will happily return; I am certain she would not give you the 'busy' routine and pull a disappearing act. It's self-shower though (watch your step coming out), and the girls aren't as young.

Good Luck,

H M

[QUOTE=Lakers2010; 1456783]Hey guys:

My apologies in advance if I break a rule of etiquette. I'm a newbie to the hobby and have been reading up on as much stuff as I can to learn from the seasoned hobbyists. Well, after reading a bunch of stuff on this site I decided to try VIP today. I had a horrible time and I'm not sure if I violated some codes or did something wrong. Could you guys give me some input so I won't make the same mistake again? Here's a summary of what happened:

I was at the mall and decided to try VIP out because it was super close and all you guys said it was good. It was 12noon and I called for a 1pm appointment. I asked for Million, but the Mamasan said she won't be in til 5pm. Yes, I know VIP probably doesn't do much business in the day time and my timing may have been poor. (I remember reading this in the day mongering section).

Well, I got in there and greeted the Mamasan in Korean (I'm not Korean, but I can speak a little). She was cool and told me to follow her. I followed her into a room and she asked me if I've been there before. I lied and say yes (after learning about this in the forum) and she ok, give me the house fee. I then handed over. 5. I got fully undressed immediately (like you guys said in the other forums) and I laid on the bed with a towel covering jr. Five minutes later this girl name Hana comes in. L. 7, she had a nice rack, but her tummy was kinda flabby, her face was a 6-6. 5, (she never smiled ONCE) , A- 1, S-1 (sorry if I may be harsh, I was just shocked at how she treated me).

The first thing Hana asks me is "can I have the money" and she was rubbing her fingers together. Her english was really broken and she tried to speak to me in Korean, but I couldn't really understand, so I told her to speak in english. I got up and pulled out $.5 from my shorts on the chair and I gave it to her. (guys, was this a mistake? Giving her the $ first?). She then walks out and comes back in 5 minutes later and tells me to turn over for a massage. (I was on my back at the time just waiting for her and I wanted to chat with her a bit first because I got a bad vibe the very first moment she walked in the room. She didn't smile when I said hi and I asked her what's wrong. She then says "I just woke up." I told her I'm sorry, but you look very beautiful. She didn't even acknowledge my comment and she had this frown on her face.)

So she comes back in after I give her the $.5 and starts to give me a massage. I told her "that feels good" when it did feel good and she massaged me for about 5 minutes. Then she tapped me on the leg and so I turned over. She then straddled my leg and started kissing my nips which felt damn good and she was stroking jr. With some lotion in her other hand. After about a minute she then goes into a brief, probably two sucks BBBJ, then immediate slips on the jimmy and goes into CBJ. After jr. Was awake she got into CG and didn't make any noise or even try to fake she was enjoying this at all. I tried to touch her rack and she brushed my hands away. I then put my hands on her hips and she was ok with that. But the whole time she was silent and was always looking away from me at the wall. I kinda lost my hard on and she got off and wanted to switch to mish. She strokes jr. A bit to get him up again and I was in her in mish. While in mish I tried kissing her tits and she squirmed away, then I went up to kiss her neck and she said "ew gross". And the whole time we were in mish she was looking at the wall with half her hair covering her face. At this point I didn't know what was wrong and I kinda felt awkward and I was thinking to myself "what the fuck did I do wrong?" so I lost jr. And at this point I just laid next to Hana not saying a word.

She then said "hand ok?" and at this point I said no and asked her what's wrong? She said nothing was wrong and asked me if I did any drugs because I lost my hard on twice. I said no I didn't, but that I didn't understand why she was so unhappy? She then was silent and stared straight at me with the same frown she had in the beginning and then said time is almost up. At this point I got annoyed and said ok, you can have. 5, but I want my $. Back. She then said I'm crazy and she started getting dressed. I then started getting dressed then went out to the mamasan and I told her there was an issue. I was very calm the whole time to mamasan and I just told her that something was wrong with Hana. Hana then started saying all this stuff in Korean and the mamasan told me time is almost up.

I told mamasan ok, that's fine, I understand, just give me $. Back and you can keep the. 5. The mamasan then walked away into the kitchen area and Hana told me that the mamasan was too busy. Mamasan was folding towels on the bench right when you first walk in and I knew she wasn't busy. Then another girl with a towel wrapped around her chest walked out and said what's wrong? Then Hana started speaking korean to her and she the girl in the towel gave me a frown and left. Then I asked Hana what she wanted to do? Then she said, time is up, time is up. I really wanted to lose my cool and start yelling at her, but I decided otherwise. I then told Hana, let's go back int he room for 10 more minutes. She obliged, followed me into the room and we both got undressed. I laid on my back and she started kissing my nips and rubbing jr. With the lotion again, after jr. Got up, but not all the way up because I couldn't really get into it, she started doing CBJ. She was doing CBJ on the side of me and I asked her to 69. She scooted over a little bit and I started massaging her tits, she then said "no touch, just look" and continued with the CBJ. At this point I had to concentrate to feel really good bc the whole experience was so bad already. I closed my eyes and after a couple minutes I finished into the jimmy. She took it off then went to get a warm towel. She wiped me down then started to get dressed. All this time she didn't look at me or even talk to me. I then got up and started to get dressed and she didn't even wait for me. She left the room. So after I got dressed I walked down the hallway and saw the mamasan on the couch folding towels again. I didn't see Hana and didn't know where she went. I just said "thank you" in korean to the mamasan and walked out of there.

I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. After reading all your experiences I was expecting a good time. But I felt like VIP took my money and didn't even really try to make me feel comfortable and and provide me with good service. If I did something wrong during the experience, then I understand and I will own up to it. But if I didn't, I'm still confused as to why my experience with Hana was so bad and the mamasan wasn't even trying to talk to me to help me out.[/QUOTE]I think I have reported in the past that Hana at VIP is the worst experience you can get at that AMP. You didn't do anything wrong she's just crazy and shouldn't be working in this kind of work. But I'd doubt she'd make it in any other industry.

So if anyone goes to VIP and gets a girl named Hana, ask for another girl right away. When the MS notices all the locals passing on her, she'll get the idea and save her for the tourist.

[QUOTE=Blacks;1456791]Its a sure sign that she's also into daily drug use-meth![/QUOTE]Drinking Coors Light and Soju daily is a sign of meth use? Unusual correlation. I have known Coco for a while, including some time in her private room, and have never seen any sign of meth use. In fact she seems fatigued much of the time since she is willing to get up at any hour to service customers. Lately she actually looks younger than before. Hardly typical if she was using meth.

This is a strong accusation which should not be made unless you can back it up. Speculation on such things is unfair and inappropriate.

[QUOTE=Kadi09;1456618]I heard from someone associated with another AMP that CoCo had been partying a bit too much and bringing mongers into the kitchen to drink with her. This became irritating to the other girls as that is their break room. The owner of GB doesn't allow the girls to drink while working.[/QUOTE]To evaluate this poster (or any other) just click on the poster's name on the left side and "View forum posts."

I will not add to this comment but just let you all form your own opinion.

[QUOTE=Lakers2010; 1456783]Hey guys:

I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. After reading all your experiences I was expecting a good time. But I felt like VIP took my money and didn't even really try to make me feel comfortable and and provide me with good service. If I did something wrong during the experience, then I understand and I will own up to it. But if I didn't, I'm still confused as to why my experience with Hana was so bad and the mamasan wasn't even trying to talk to me to help me out.[/QUOTE]That biatch said what! She actually said "ew gross" & asked if you do drugs cus you lost wood! What would Wayne Brady do in this situation?

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc5OZVvD4Jo[/url]

Makes me wunna start a VIP thread & make the 1st post AVOID HANA! Cus it has been stated time & time again that Hana is the worst of the worst at VIP. Maybe the worst, period.

U didn't do anything wrong brother. Hana is a total biatch. If you read the past reports on her you will see that most, no my bad, ALL had the same crappy attitude & service. This hoe is not YMMV, she is a guarantee shitty lay. But it is a bit naive to think that after you got a massage, a CBJ, AND a couple of sex positions that you would get 100 back. Or that mama would help you.

Lots of chicks ask to HJ if the guy is taking too long to cum. (too long in their mnds) U may encounter this again, so don't take it personal or think you did something that made them wunna stop fucking you for some reason. In Hana's mind, she thought CFS wasnt working so a condomless HJ with lube would work better. Little does she know, its her attitude & service that is killing the mood.

It was even a relief to me that she went back to the room with you. Remember now, Hana wanted to finish you with a HJ but at the very least she still did another CBJ too. I have to give her credit for that, but the bad still far outway the good here.

Your only mistake was not going at 5 pm for Million. If you ever decide to go back to VIP, then MILLION or ANGIE or JACKIE would be the only 3 safe bets for a good time. The rest are hit & miss + YMMV, but just my opinion. But seriously, just the sight of Million may make up for anything so just try to get to her some day somehow. Don't settle for another girl. If Million isn't there then go elsewhere. Million is the 2010 Lakers of VIP, no, she's the 1999-2002 Lakers. A "Trampionship" dynasty. Hana is the 2012 Lakers.

[QUOTE=Lakers2010; 1456783]Hey guys:

My apologies in advance if I break a rule of etiquette. I'm a newbie to the hobby and have been reading up on as much stuff as I can to learn from the seasoned hobbyists. Well, after reading a bunch of stuff on this site I decided to try VIP today. I had a horrible time and I'm not sure if I violated some codes or did something wrong. Could you guys give me some input so I won't make the same mistake again? Here's a summary of what happened:

I was at the mall and decided to try VIP out because it was super close and all you guys said it was good. It was 12noon and I called for a 1pm appointment. I asked for Million, but the Mamasan said she won't be in til 5pm. Yes, I know VIP probably doesn't do much business in the day time and my timing may have been poor. (I remember reading this in the day mongering section).

Well, I got in there and greeted the Mamasan in Korean (I'm not Korean, but I can speak a little). She was cool and told me to follow her. I followed her into a room and she asked me if I've been there before. I lied and say yes (after learning about this in the forum) and she ok, give me the house fee. I then handed over. 5. I got fully undressed immediately (like you guys said in the other forums) and I laid on the bed with a towel covering jr. Five minutes later this girl name Hana comes in. L. 7, she had a nice rack, but her tummy was kinda flabby, her face was a 6-6. 5, (she never smiled ONCE) , A- 1, S-1 (sorry if I may be harsh, I was just shocked at how she treated me).

The first thing Hana asks me is "can I have the money" and she was rubbing her fingers together. Her english was really broken and she tried to speak to me in Korean, but I couldn't really understand, so I told her to speak in english. I got up and pulled out $.5 from my shorts on the chair and I gave it to her. (guys, was this a mistake? Giving her the $ first?). She then walks out and comes back in 5 minutes later and tells me to turn over for a massage. (I was on my back at the time just waiting for her and I wanted to chat with her a bit first because I got a bad vibe the very first moment she walked in the room. She didn't smile when I said hi and I asked her what's wrong. She then says "I just woke up." I told her I'm sorry, but you look very beautiful. She didn't even acknowledge my comment and she had this frown on her face.)

So she comes back in after I give her the $.5 and starts to give me a massage. I told her "that feels good" when it did feel good and she massaged me for about 5 minutes. Then she tapped me on the leg and so I turned over. She then straddled my leg and started kissing my nips which felt damn good and she was stroking jr. With some lotion in her other hand. After about a minute she then goes into a brief, probably two sucks BBBJ, then immediate slips on the jimmy and goes into CBJ. After jr. Was awake she got into CG and didn't make any noise or even try to fake she was enjoying this at all. I tried to touch her rack and she brushed my hands away. I then put my hands on her hips and she was ok with that. But the whole time she was silent and was always looking away from me at the wall. I kinda lost my hard on and she got off and wanted to switch to mish. She strokes jr. A bit to get him up again and I was in her in mish. While in mish I tried kissing her tits and she squirmed away, then I went up to kiss her neck and she said "ew gross". And the whole time we were in mish she was looking at the wall with half her hair covering her face. At this point I didn't know what was wrong and I kinda felt awkward and I was thinking to myself "what the fuck did I do wrong?" so I lost jr. And at this point I just laid next to Hana not saying a word.

She then said "hand ok?" and at this point I said no and asked her what's wrong? She said nothing was wrong and asked me if I did any drugs because I lost my hard on twice. I said no I didn't, but that I didn't understand why she was so unhappy? She then was silent and stared straight at me with the same frown she had in the beginning and then said time is almost up. At this point I got annoyed and said ok, you can have. 5, but I want my $. Back. She then said I'm crazy and she started getting dressed. I then started getting dressed then went out to the mamasan and I told her there was an issue. I was very calm the whole time to mamasan and I just told her that something was wrong with Hana. Hana then started saying all this stuff in Korean and the mamasan told me time is almost up.

I told mamasan ok, that's fine, I understand, just give me $. Back and you can keep the. 5. The mamasan then walked away into the kitchen area and Hana told me that the mamasan was too busy. Mamasan was folding towels on the bench right when you first walk in and I knew she wasn't busy. Then another girl with a towel wrapped around her chest walked out and said what's wrong? Then Hana started speaking korean to her and she the girl in the towel gave me a frown and left. Then I asked Hana what she wanted to do? Then she said, time is up, time is up. I really wanted to lose my cool and start yelling at her, but I decided otherwise. I then told Hana, let's go back int he room for 10 more minutes. She obliged, followed me into the room and we both got undressed. I laid on my back and she started kissing my nips and rubbing jr. With the lotion again, after jr. Got up, but not all the way up because I couldn't really get into it, she started doing CBJ. She was doing CBJ on the side of me and I asked her to 69. She scooted over a little bit and I started massaging her tits, she then said "no touch, just look" and continued with the CBJ. At this point I had to concentrate to feel really good bc the whole experience was so bad already. I closed my eyes and after a couple minutes I finished into the jimmy. She took it off then went to get a warm towel. She wiped me down then started to get dressed. All this time she didn't look at me or even talk to me. I then got up and started to get dressed and she didn't even wait for me. She left the room. So after I got dressed I walked down the hallway and saw the mamasan on the couch folding towels again. I didn't see Hana and didn't know where she went. I just said "thank you" in korean to the mamasan and walked out of there.

I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. After reading all your experiences I was expecting a good time. But I felt like VIP took my money and didn't even really try to make me feel comfortable and and provide me with good service. If I did something wrong during the experience, then I understand and I will own up to it. But if I didn't, I'm still confused as to why my experience with Hana was so bad and the mamasan wasn't even trying to talk to me to help me out.[/QUOTE]Damn man. Damn. The biggest mistake was that you had Hana at VIP. This Hana is that bad? A number of guys on here had bad experiences with Hana. In fact, I don't think anyone reported ever having a good experience with her. You probably didn't know about this Hana. Therefore, you just decided to follow through.

You should have bailed based on initial impression of her. No smile, asking for the tip upfront while rubbing her fingers. Bad signs already. Don't be shame to ask for another girl or walk out even though you're undressed wrapped only in a towel and handed MS the HF. If you feel a bad vibe from the beginning, there's a strong chance of it not going well.

If you're a complete noob, stick to well reviewed providers first. Can I recommend a Monica or Coco? Maybe. Or, maybe not. Why? Because not all guys will opt for BBBJ and BBFS from a provider on his first visit to an AMP. He may freak out. Plus, he may find them too MILF to bother. It maybe too much for a person to do on his first time. New guys to AMPs are typically on the younger side. There's a number of new guys who are afraid to even do CFS and just want to try HJ first and then later do FS. They just want a feel for how it it's like to go through the process.

Stick with well reviewed providers like Sugar at Nirvanas, Sugar at Kison, Candy at Pink, Mona at Ginza, Jio at GQ type providers. These girls are very friendly and not the moody, uptight providers. They are also pretty consistent in terms of service and have seen and had both young / old customers. Some senior members got bad experiences at VIP. VIP is good if you want to try younger providers and you're aware that the service / extras maybe a hit or miss but, you're still willing to gamble and try anyways.

If you become a repeat at VIP, maybe then you'll get better service as the MS and girls are more familiar with you. VIP has alot of foreigners that go there that it's not a big deal to them if the locals don't go there. VIP is not the only place that has young providers. If you had Million instead, you most likely would have had a way better experience than Hana.

[QUOTE=T6650; 1457036]Drinking Coors Light and Soju daily is a sign of meth use? Unusual correlation. I have known Coco for a while, including some time in her private room, and have never seen any sign of meth use. In fact she seems fatigued much of the time since she is willing to get up at any hour to service customers. Lately she actually looks younger than before. Hardly typical if she was using meth.

This is a strong accusation which should not be made unless you can back it up. Speculation on such things is unfair and inappropriate.[/QUOTE]I personal have seen many many many lives destroyed both users and their friends, ex's and family members! Enjoy, have a nice life, I am.

[QUOTE=Member #3973;1455245]Coco has moved from GB next door to Crystal Healing Massage[/QUOTE]IS this the same Coco as before from CHM? The one that liked DFK and BBBJ?

[QUOTE=Lakers2010; 1456783]Hey guys:

My apologies in advance if I break a rule of etiquette. I'm a newbie to the hobby and have been reading up on as much stuff as I can to learn from the seasoned hobbyists. Well, after reading a bunch of stuff on this site I decided to try VIP today. I had a horrible time and I'm not sure if I violated some codes or did something wrong. Could you guys give me some input so I won't make the same mistake again? Here's a summary of what happened:

I was at the mall and decided to try VIP out because it was super close and all you guys said it was good. It was 12noon and I called for a 1pm appointment. I asked for Million, but the Mamasan said she won't be in til 5pm. Yes, I know VIP probably doesn't do much business in the day time and my timing may have been poor. (I remember reading this in the day mongering section).

Well, I got in there and greeted the Mamasan in Korean (I'm not Korean, but I can speak a little). She was cool and told me to follow her. I followed her into a room and she asked me if I've been there before. I lied and say yes (after learning about this in the forum) and she ok, give me the house fee. I then handed over. 5. I got fully undressed immediately (like you guys said in the other forums) and I laid on the bed with a towel covering jr. Five minutes later this girl name Hana comes in. L. 7, she had a nice rack, but her tummy was kinda flabby, her face was a 6-6. 5, (she never smiled ONCE) , A- 1, S-1 (sorry if I may be harsh, I was just shocked at how she treated me).

The first thing Hana asks me is "can I have the money" and she was rubbing her fingers together. Her english was really broken and she tried to speak to me in Korean, but I couldn't really understand, so I told her to speak in english. I got up and pulled out $.5 from my shorts on the chair and I gave it to her. (guys, was this a mistake? Giving her the $ first?). She then walks out and comes back in 5 minutes later and tells me to turn over for a massage. (I was on my back at the time just waiting for her and I wanted to chat with her a bit first because I got a bad vibe the very first moment she walked in the room. She didn't smile when I said hi and I asked her what's wrong. She then says "I just woke up." I told her I'm sorry, but you look very beautiful. She didn't even acknowledge my comment and she had this frown on her face.)

So she comes back in after I give her the $.5 and starts to give me a massage. I told her "that feels good" when it did feel good and she massaged me for about 5 minutes. Then she tapped me on the leg and so I turned over. She then straddled my leg and started kissing my nips which felt damn good and she was stroking jr. With some lotion in her other hand. After about a minute she then goes into a brief, probably two sucks BBBJ, then immediate slips on the jimmy and goes into CBJ. After jr. Was awake she got into CG and didn't make any noise or even try to fake she was enjoying this at all. I tried to touch her rack and she brushed my hands away. I then put my hands on her hips and she was ok with that. But the whole time she was silent and was always looking away from me at the wall. I kinda lost my hard on and she got off and wanted to switch to mish. She strokes jr. A bit to get him up again and I was in her in mish. While in mish I tried kissing her tits and she squirmed away, then I went up to kiss her neck and she said "ew gross". And the whole time we were in mish she was looking at the wall with half her hair covering her face. At this point I didn't know what was wrong and I kinda felt awkward and I was thinking to myself "what the fuck did I do wrong?" so I lost jr. And at this point I just laid next to Hana not saying a word.

She then said "hand ok?" and at this point I said no and asked her what's wrong? She said nothing was wrong and asked me if I did any drugs because I lost my hard on twice. I said no I didn't, but that I didn't understand why she was so unhappy? She then was silent and stared straight at me with the same frown she had in the beginning and then said time is almost up. At this point I got annoyed and said ok, you can have. 5, but I want my $. Back. She then said I'm crazy and she started getting dressed. I then started getting dressed then went out to the mamasan and I told her there was an issue. I was very calm the whole time to mamasan and I just told her that something was wrong with Hana. Hana then started saying all this stuff in Korean and the mamasan told me time is almost up.

I told mamasan ok, that's fine, I understand, just give me $. Back and you can keep the. 5. The mamasan then walked away into the kitchen area and Hana told me that the mamasan was too busy. Mamasan was folding towels on the bench right when you first walk in and I knew she wasn't busy. Then another girl with a towel wrapped around her chest walked out and said what's wrong? Then Hana started speaking korean to her and she the girl in the towel gave me a frown and left. Then I asked Hana what she wanted to do? Then she said, time is up, time is up. I really wanted to lose my cool and start yelling at her, but I decided otherwise. I then told Hana, let's go back int he room for 10 more minutes. She obliged, followed me into the room and we both got undressed. I laid on my back and she started kissing my nips and rubbing jr. With the lotion again, after jr. Got up, but not all the way up because I couldn't really get into it, she started doing CBJ. She was doing CBJ on the side of me and I asked her to 69. She scooted over a little bit and I started massaging her tits, she then said "no touch, just look" and continued with the CBJ. At this point I had to concentrate to feel really good bc the whole experience was so bad already. I closed my eyes and after a couple minutes I finished into the jimmy. She took it off then went to get a warm towel. She wiped me down then started to get dressed. All this time she didn't look at me or even talk to me. I then got up and started to get dressed and she didn't even wait for me. She left the room. So after I got dressed I walked down the hallway and saw the mamasan on the couch folding towels again. I didn't see Hana and didn't know where she went. I just said "thank you" in korean to the mamasan and walked out of there.

I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. After reading all your experiences I was expecting a good time. But I felt like VIP took my money and didn't even really try to make me feel comfortable and and provide me with good service. If I did something wrong during the experience, then I understand and I will own up to it. But if I didn't, I'm still confused as to why my experience with Hana was so bad and the mamasan wasn't even trying to talk to me to help me out.[/QUOTE]Call Kison and make appointment with SUGAR. She has one of the hottest bods out there! She looks to be in her early twenties, has beautiful tanned smooth skin, super flat stomach, and a GREAT C sized rack, that ain't rock hard. She is super sweet and fun to be with. BEWARE thiough, you may be spoiled bodywise forever. There are only a few providers out there with bodies and great attitudes out there, that can compare with her. She's a cutie that will smile and make you happy the entire session. Also, like others have mentioned, Mama Chanel is also a great hostess, and definately makes sure you enjoy your sessions there. Oooops forgot to mention, unlike most of the providers there at Kison, Sugars services are all covered, but I gurantee you a good time. Start dialing!

[QUOTE=Lakers2010; 1456783]Hey guys:

My apologies in advance if I break a rule of etiquette. I'm a newbie to the hobby and have been reading up on as much stuff as I can to learn from the seasoned hobbyists. Well, after reading a bunch of stuff on this site I decided to try VIP today. I had a horrible time and I'm not sure if I violated some codes or did something wrong. Could you guys give me some input so I won't make the same mistake again? Here's a summary of what happened:

I was at the mall and decided to try VIP out because it was super close and all you guys said it was good. It was 12noon and I called for a 1pm appointment. I asked for Million, but the Mamasan said she won't be in til 5pm. Yes, I know VIP probably doesn't do much business in the day time and my timing may have been poor. (I remember reading this in the day mongering section).

Well, I got in there and greeted the Mamasan in Korean (I'm not Korean, but I can speak a little). She was cool and told me to follow her. I followed her into a room and she asked me if I've been there before. I lied and say yes (after learning about this in the forum) and she ok, give me the house fee. I then handed over. 5. I got fully undressed immediately (like you guys said in the other forums) and I laid on the bed with a towel covering jr. Five minutes later this girl name Hana comes in. L. 7, she had a nice rack, but her tummy was kinda flabby, her face was a 6-6. 5, (she never smiled ONCE) , A- 1, S-1 (sorry if I may be harsh, I was just shocked at how she treated me).

The first thing Hana asks me is "can I have the money" and she was rubbing her fingers together. Her english was really broken and she tried to speak to me in Korean, but I couldn't really understand, so I told her to speak in english. I got up and pulled out $.5 from my shorts on the chair and I gave it to her. (guys, was this a mistake? Giving her the $ first?). She then walks out and comes back in 5 minutes later and tells me to turn over for a massage. (I was on my back at the time just waiting for her and I wanted to chat with her a bit first because I got a bad vibe the very first moment she walked in the room. She didn't smile when I said hi and I asked her what's wrong. She then says "I just woke up." I told her I'm sorry, but you look very beautiful. She didn't even acknowledge my comment and she had this frown on her face.)

So she comes back in after I give her the $.5 and starts to give me a massage. I told her "that feels good" when it did feel good and she massaged me for about 5 minutes. Then she tapped me on the leg and so I turned over. She then straddled my leg and started kissing my nips which felt damn good and she was stroking jr. With some lotion in her other hand. After about a minute she then goes into a brief, probably two sucks BBBJ, then immediate slips on the jimmy and goes into CBJ. After jr. Was awake she got into CG and didn't make any noise or even try to fake she was enjoying this at all. I tried to touch her rack and she brushed my hands away. I then put my hands on her hips and she was ok with that. But the whole time she was silent and was always looking away from me at the wall. I kinda lost my hard on and she got off and wanted to switch to mish. She strokes jr. A bit to get him up again and I was in her in mish. While in mish I tried kissing her tits and she squirmed away, then I went up to kiss her neck and she said "ew gross". And the whole time we were in mish she was looking at the wall with half her hair covering her face. At this point I didn't know what was wrong and I kinda felt awkward and I was thinking to myself "what the fuck did I do wrong?" so I lost jr. And at this point I just laid next to Hana not saying a word.

She then said "hand ok?" and at this point I said no and asked her what's wrong? She said nothing was wrong and asked me if I did any drugs because I lost my hard on twice. I said no I didn't, but that I didn't understand why she was so unhappy? She then was silent and stared straight at me with the same frown she had in the beginning and then said time is almost up. At this point I got annoyed and said ok, you can have. 5, but I want my $. Back. She then said I'm crazy and she started getting dressed. I then started getting dressed then went out to the mamasan and I told her there was an issue. I was very calm the whole time to mamasan and I just told her that something was wrong with Hana. Hana then started saying all this stuff in Korean and the mamasan told me time is almost up.

I told mamasan ok, that's fine, I understand, just give me $. Back and you can keep the. 5. The mamasan then walked away into the kitchen area and Hana told me that the mamasan was too busy. Mamasan was folding towels on the bench right when you first walk in and I knew she wasn't busy. Then another girl with a towel wrapped around her chest walked out and said what's wrong? Then Hana started speaking korean to her and she the girl in the towel gave me a frown and left. Then I asked Hana what she wanted to do? Then she said, time is up, time is up. I really wanted to lose my cool and start yelling at her, but I decided otherwise. I then told Hana, let's go back int he room for 10 more minutes. She obliged, followed me into the room and we both got undressed. I laid on my back and she started kissing my nips and rubbing jr. With the lotion again, after jr. Got up, but not all the way up because I couldn't really get into it, she started doing CBJ. She was doing CBJ on the side of me and I asked her to 69. She scooted over a little bit and I started massaging her tits, she then said "no touch, just look" and continued with the CBJ. At this point I had to concentrate to feel really good bc the whole experience was so bad already. I closed my eyes and after a couple minutes I finished into the jimmy. She took it off then went to get a warm towel. She wiped me down then started to get dressed. All this time she didn't look at me or even talk to me. I then got up and started to get dressed and she didn't even wait for me. She left the room. So after I got dressed I walked down the hallway and saw the mamasan on the couch folding towels again. I didn't see Hana and didn't know where she went. I just said "thank you" in korean to the mamasan and walked out of there.

I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. After reading all your experiences I was expecting a good time. But I felt like VIP took my money and didn't even really try to make me feel comfortable and and provide me with good service. If I did something wrong during the experience, then I understand and I will own up to it. But if I didn't, I'm still confused as to why my experience with Hana was so bad and the mamasan wasn't even trying to talk to me to help me out.[/QUOTE]Damn. I would be pissed. What about the tourists, they probly shaking their heads at that kind of service. It kinda sucks how it can be hit or miss and we don't even have the sample half hour special so it's $200 down the drain, unless you have the balls and hand the girl a $20 for service like this. LOL. I've had bad service twice. And it's obvious cause jr can't stay up and I'm wondering why the girl is even working thank god I only tipped $80 and $100 to he girl, first one was because half hour special. Second one cause mama told me it was okay cause that was all I had on me. Should have told me I'd get shittynservice so I would keep my $150 and enjoy it on something better! I rewarded that establishment for the quick theif of my $150 by never going back. Not that I even matter lol. But that's the point.

Whats the latest lineup at Kison besides Monica that provides BB sevice that is good? I know there is yuki, but she is on vacation. PM me if you prefer. Thanks.

[QUOTE=Lakers2010; 1456783]Hey guys:

My apologies in advance if I break a rule of etiquette. I'm a newbie to the hobby and have been reading up on as much stuff as I can to learn from the seasoned hobbyists. Well, after reading a bunch of stuff on this site I decided to try VIP today. I had a horrible time and I'm not sure if I violated some codes or did something wrong. Could you guys give me some input so I won't make the same mistake again? Here's a summary of what happened:

I was at the mall and decided to try VIP out because it was super close and all you guys said it was good. It was 12noon and I called for a 1pm appointment. I asked for Million, but the Mamasan said she won't be in til 5pm. Yes, I know VIP probably doesn't do much business in the day time and my timing may have been poor. (I remember reading this in the day mongering section).

Well, I got in there and greeted the Mamasan in Korean (I'm not Korean, but I can speak a little). She was cool and told me to follow her. I followed her into a room and she asked me if I've been there before. I lied and say yes (after learning about this in the forum) and she ok, give me the house fee. I then handed over. 5. I got fully undressed immediately (like you guys said in the other forums) and I laid on the bed with a towel covering jr. Five minutes later this girl name Hana comes in. L. 7, she had a nice rack, but her tummy was kinda flabby, her face was a 6-6. 5, (she never smiled ONCE) , A- 1, S-1 (sorry if I may be harsh, I was just shocked at how she treated me).

The first thing Hana asks me is "can I have the money" and she was rubbing her fingers together. Her english was really broken and she tried to speak to me in Korean, but I couldn't really understand, so I told her to speak in english. I got up and pulled out $.5 from my shorts on the chair and I gave it to her. (guys, was this a mistake? Giving her the $ first?). She then walks out and comes back in 5 minutes later and tells me to turn over for a massage. (I was on my back at the time just waiting for her and I wanted to chat with her a bit first because I got a bad vibe the very first moment she walked in the room. She didn't smile when I said hi and I asked her what's wrong. She then says "I just woke up." I told her I'm sorry, but you look very beautiful. She didn't even acknowledge my comment and she had this frown on her face.)

So she comes back in after I give her the $.5 and starts to give me a massage. I told her "that feels good" when it did feel good and she massaged me for about 5 minutes. Then she tapped me on the leg and so I turned over. She then straddled my leg and started kissing my nips which felt damn good and she was stroking jr. With some lotion in her other hand. After about a minute she then goes into a brief, probably two sucks BBBJ, then immediate slips on the jimmy and goes into CBJ. After jr. Was awake she got into CG and didn't make any noise or even try to fake she was enjoying this at all. I tried to touch her rack and she brushed my hands away. I then put my hands on her hips and she was ok with that. But the whole time she was silent and was always looking away from me at the wall. I kinda lost my hard on and she got off and wanted to switch to mish. She strokes jr. A bit to get him up again and I was in her in mish. While in mish I tried kissing her tits and she squirmed away, then I went up to kiss her neck and she said "ew gross". And the whole time we were in mish she was looking at the wall with half her hair covering her face. At this point I didn't know what was wrong and I kinda felt awkward and I was thinking to myself "what the fuck did I do wrong?" so I lost jr. And at this point I just laid next to Hana not saying a word.

She then said "hand ok?" and at this point I said no and asked her what's wrong? She said nothing was wrong and asked me if I did any drugs because I lost my hard on twice. I said no I didn't, but that I didn't understand why she was so unhappy? She then was silent and stared straight at me with the same frown she had in the beginning and then said time is almost up. At this point I got annoyed and said ok, you can have. 5, but I want my $. Back. She then said I'm crazy and she started getting dressed. I then started getting dressed then went out to the mamasan and I told her there was an issue. I was very calm the whole time to mamasan and I just told her that something was wrong with Hana. Hana then started saying all this stuff in Korean and the mamasan told me time is almost up.

I told mamasan ok, that's fine, I understand, just give me $. Back and you can keep the. 5. The mamasan then walked away into the kitchen area and Hana told me that the mamasan was too busy. Mamasan was folding towels on the bench right when you first walk in and I knew she wasn't busy. Then another girl with a towel wrapped around her chest walked out and said what's wrong? Then Hana started speaking korean to her and she the girl in the towel gave me a frown and left. Then I asked Hana what she wanted to do? Then she said, time is up, time is up. I really wanted to lose my cool and start yelling at her, but I decided otherwise. I then told Hana, let's go back int he room for 10 more minutes. She obliged, followed me into the room and we both got undressed. I laid on my back and she started kissing my nips and rubbing jr. With the lotion again, after jr. Got up, but not all the way up because I couldn't really get into it, she started doing CBJ. She was doing CBJ on the side of me and I asked her to 69. She scooted over a little bit and I started massaging her tits, she then said "no touch, just look" and continued with the CBJ. At this point I had to concentrate to feel really good bc the whole experience was so bad already. I closed my eyes and after a couple minutes I finished into the jimmy. She took it off then went to get a warm towel. She wiped me down then started to get dressed. All this time she didn't look at me or even talk to me. I then got up and started to get dressed and she didn't even wait for me. She left the room. So after I got dressed I walked down the hallway and saw the mamasan on the couch folding towels again. I didn't see Hana and didn't know where she went. I just said "thank you" in korean to the mamasan and walked out of there.

I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. After reading all your experiences I was expecting a good time. But I felt like VIP took my money and didn't even really try to make me feel comfortable and and provide me with good service. If I did something wrong during the experience, then I understand and I will own up to it. But if I didn't, I'm still confused as to why my experience with Hana was so bad and the mamasan wasn't even trying to talk to me to help me out.[/QUOTE]You did two things wrong:

1. You obviously did not read the forum well enough. Because if you did you would have learned (from the more experienced mongers) such as myself or Hypo and others that paying upfront is an amateur strategy at best. There has been discussion after discussion on this forum on whether to pay upfront or not but on this one subject I am right and that is all there is too it. I never pay upfront ever. Most guys on this forum are too worried about hurting the girls feelings or missing out on service if they don't pay upfront. Do not be like that. Be a man and turn down any girl that asks for the money upfront always. Yes I have missed out on some girls because of that but with the amount of AMP's in Honolulu there is more than enough girls that will not ask upfront. First of all just the fact that she asked upfront tells you in your logical mind that she does not care about or trust the customer. She only cares about the money. Like I said I have beat this dead horse many times. You can look up my past posts on this subject to get more clear detailed logic on why I think this way. I will tell you from personal experience that in the long run you will be extremely thankful for heeding my advice on this one. Once again never ever pay upfront.

2. You trusted the girl to give you good service after you paid her. My second rule. Never ever trust anything these girls say or promise. Once again this is nothing more than a business transaction to her. She doesn't care a rats ass about you or how you feel. Especially once she has your money. Once she has your money she has the power shifted in her hands. All she has to do now is just give you some half ass service and you can complain all you want and it won't matter. Unless she downright refuses to let you bang her you have no say so. Once you stick your dick in her that is all she wrote buddy. It doesn't matter if you cumm or not she can just tell Mama (in Korean so you won't understand) that she tried her best and you were a limp dick. That's it, she fucked you back. What are you going to do? Beat her up or something stupid like that? Your money is gone dude. Look up the definition of liar in the dictionary and her picture is in there.

If you take these two recommendations in mind from now on when you monger you graduate from amateur to professional. These are the main two things you need to remember. 1. Never pay upfront and 2. Never trust anything the girl says. If you do that you will waste a lot less money in the long run.

Now as always I know there are going to be some people on this forum that disagree with me and will try to substantiate some stupid reason to pay upfront or trust the girl. I expect it. That is OK. Like I said before "Great spirits always encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds."

Sorry you had a bad experience. Like you I'm a noob to AMP's and came across this forum just recently. There's a wealth of information here. Read the posts and what the senior members have to say. Stick to the providers with good reviews and you won't go wrong. Of course YMMV but I would recommend not visiting late after the bars close jmho.

Good luck in the future!

[QUOTE=Lakers2010; 1456783]Hey guys:

My apologies in advance if I break a rule of etiquette. I'm a newbie to the hobby and have been reading up on as much stuff as I can to learn from the seasoned hobbyists. Well, after reading a bunch of stuff on this site I decided to try VIP today. I had a horrible time and I'm not sure if I violated some codes or did something wrong. Could you guys give me some input so I won't make the same mistake again? Here's a summary of what happened:

I was at the mall and decided to try VIP out because it was super close and all you guys said it was good. It was 12noon and I called for a 1pm appointment. I asked for Million, but the Mamasan said she won't be in til 5pm. Yes, I know VIP probably doesn't do much business in the day time and my timing may have been poor. (I remember reading this in the day mongering section).

Well, I got in there and greeted the Mamasan in Korean (I'm not Korean, but I can speak a little). She was cool and told me to follow her. I followed her into a room and she asked me if I've been there before. I lied and say yes (after learning about this in the forum) and she ok, give me the house fee. I then handed over. 5. I got fully undressed immediately (like you guys said in the other forums) and I laid on the bed with a towel covering jr. Five minutes later this girl name Hana comes in. L. 7, she had a nice rack, but her tummy was kinda flabby, her face was a 6-6. 5, (she never smiled ONCE) , A- 1, S-1 (sorry if I may be harsh, I was just shocked at how she treated me).

The first thing Hana asks me is "can I have the money" and she was rubbing her fingers together. Her english was really broken and she tried to speak to me in Korean, but I couldn't really understand, so I told her to speak in english. I got up and pulled out $.5 from my shorts on the chair and I gave it to her. (guys, was this a mistake? Giving her the $ first?). She then walks out and comes back in 5 minutes later and tells me to turn over for a massage. (I was on my back at the time just waiting for her and I wanted to chat with her a bit first because I got a bad vibe the very first moment she walked in the room. She didn't smile when I said hi and I asked her what's wrong. She then says "I just woke up." I told her I'm sorry, but you look very beautiful. She didn't even acknowledge my comment and she had this frown on her face.)

So she comes back in after I give her the $.5 and starts to give me a massage. I told her "that feels good" when it did feel good and she massaged me for about 5 minutes. Then she tapped me on the leg and so I turned over. She then straddled my leg and started kissing my nips which felt damn good and she was stroking jr. With some lotion in her other hand. After about a minute she then goes into a brief, probably two sucks BBBJ, then immediate slips on the jimmy and goes into CBJ. After jr. Was awake she got into CG and didn't make any noise or even try to fake she was enjoying this at all. I tried to touch her rack and she brushed my hands away. I then put my hands on her hips and she was ok with that. But the whole time she was silent and was always looking away from me at the wall. I kinda lost my hard on and she got off and wanted to switch to mish. She strokes jr. A bit to get him up again and I was in her in mish. While in mish I tried kissing her tits and she squirmed away, then I went up to kiss her neck and she said "ew gross". And the whole time we were in mish she was looking at the wall with half her hair covering her face. At this point I didn't know what was wrong and I kinda felt awkward and I was thinking to myself "what the fuck did I do wrong?" so I lost jr. And at this point I just laid next to Hana not saying a word.

She then said "hand ok?" and at this point I said no and asked her what's wrong? She said nothing was wrong and asked me if I did any drugs because I lost my hard on twice. I said no I didn't, but that I didn't understand why she was so unhappy? She then was silent and stared straight at me with the same frown she had in the beginning and then said time is almost up. At this point I got annoyed and said ok, you can have. 5, but I want my $. Back. She then said I'm crazy and she started getting dressed. I then started getting dressed then went out to the mamasan and I told her there was an issue. I was very calm the whole time to mamasan and I just told her that something was wrong with Hana. Hana then started saying all this stuff in Korean and the mamasan told me time is almost up.

I told mamasan ok, that's fine, I understand, just give me $. Back and you can keep the. 5. The mamasan then walked away into the kitchen area and Hana told me that the mamasan was too busy. Mamasan was folding towels on the bench right when you first walk in and I knew she wasn't busy. Then another girl with a towel wrapped around her chest walked out and said what's wrong? Then Hana started speaking korean to her and she the girl in the towel gave me a frown and left. Then I asked Hana what she wanted to do? Then she said, time is up, time is up. I really wanted to lose my cool and start yelling at her, but I decided otherwise. I then told Hana, let's go back int he room for 10 more minutes. She obliged, followed me into the room and we both got undressed. I laid on my back and she started kissing my nips and rubbing jr. With the lotion again, after jr. Got up, but not all the way up because I couldn't really get into it, she started doing CBJ. She was doing CBJ on the side of me and I asked her to 69. She scooted over a little bit and I started massaging her tits, she then said "no touch, just look" and continued with the CBJ. At this point I had to concentrate to feel really good bc the whole experience was so bad already. I closed my eyes and after a couple minutes I finished into the jimmy. She took it off then went to get a warm towel. She wiped me down then started to get dressed. All this time she didn't look at me or even talk to me. I then got up and started to get dressed and she didn't even wait for me. She left the room. So after I got dressed I walked down the hallway and saw the mamasan on the couch folding towels again. I didn't see Hana and didn't know where she went. I just said "thank you" in korean to the mamasan and walked out of there.

I would appreciate any help you guys could give me. After reading all your experiences I was expecting a good time. But I felt like VIP took my money and didn't even really try to make me feel comfortable and and provide me with good service. If I did something wrong during the experience, then I understand and I will own up to it. But if I didn't, I'm still confused as to why my experience with Hana was so bad and the mamasan wasn't even trying to talk to me to help me out.[/QUOTE]You may have had a bad experience your first time there due to a perfect storm of problems, paying up front and a notoriously bad provider at VIP. But it is a blessing in disguise. You should have better service elsewhere or even with other VIP girls, like Jackie, going forward. Paying up front is normal at VIP. So you should have gone to just about any other place to avoid that problem.

They should at least pretend to be friendly towards you. No touching or at least light kissing of the titties is a big red flag that you should walk away. Kissing around the face or the lips is a different story. LFK or DFK is not standard service expected of each and every provider for standard tips. Some would do it without a second thought and you do not have to pay extra for it. Others do not like to kiss customers or most customers, and they will freeze up and not respond if you try. In that situation just forget about kissing the lips.

But the biggest blessing in disguise is that you have experienced how it really is under all the marketing and the smoke and mirrors. The girls are there just to make the big bucks and you are just a wallet. I wish I had your experience as my first experience. Instead I had good experiences to start that led to a lot repeats with ATFs, especially the ATF of the ATFs, that were all a waste. The sum of these repeats is much less than its parts. Some mongers carry on "business" with their ATFs for years. Other mongers have rules such as never see a provider more than twice to avoid developing feelings. You can figure out for yourself what is best for you. But don't ever confuse customer service with friendship and a business relationship with a personal relationship.