The irony of the situation
[QUOTE=CantB1;3396622]Can you really know if any provider is trustworthy or not by spending a few minutes at a time? I used to think there were some trustworthy hookers than I was proven wrong. Repeatedly.[/QUOTE]Hell, how many people do you know in general who are trustworthy? Funny thing is a monger will trust and believe the sob stories and tall tales that these providers spin and generally trust these hoes more readily than they would a regular civilian in the street. Truth be told whether you admit it to yourself or not, a monger does nice things for these hoes in order to try and gain their favor, in the hope that one day you will have a fairy tale happy ending and not have to pay for the poonay anymore. Wake up fools, she ain't Julie Roberts and this ain't the movie pretty woman. She's a hoe out here tricking for dough and we are the marks that support her "real" lifestyle. Yes be respectful and cordial and if you find one or two that you have a good working relationship with that's great, but never lose sight of the fact that they one thing that is a fact is that if a hoe will fuck you for loot, she will have no problem stealing, robbing you or putting you in the mix to save her own skin. Self preservation is the law of the jungle.
I definitely try to keep personal separate from this hobby
[QUOTE=ChrisShaft;3398027]Dude WTF? Do you really think that it is good that not only does this hoe know where you stay, but now her driver is sharing stories and information about you being with other providers? My man, you should not be laughing you should be very concerned because now you have been identified as a MARK. I mean what do you think they are saying about you when they talk about you amongst themselves? They know where you live, they know your proclivities, they know what you look like, and they are sharing that information amongst themselves and probably many other in their circle. Seems like a set up waiting to happen. The only thing mongers have going for them is our relative anonymity. Once you lose that then you are a victim in the making. You can't trust a criminal and if you do then you are a fool.[/QUOTE]In fact, I don't like girls who posts on this site knowing who I am as a poster because I think they might offer you up to LEO if you're not careful; after they get into a jam. Imagine, they get caught up in some hot ass mess and they tell LEO, "hey, I know a senior member on USA sex guide who has over 1000 posts who talked about paying a woman for coochie. " I know, call me paranoid but as Chris said, these women will pretty much throw you under the proverbial bus in a minute. When someone is trying to get your money, they are as nice as they can be and will have you walking away saying, "man, that's a cool as chick!" Yeah, sure they are! They are vying for your money! What else will they be? My SO does the same thing. Whenever she is very sweet, I know the snow job is coming- she wants something! LOL.
So it is, with these girls, I keep it biz. Like the girl I talked about in a previous review around 63rd and Main, this hoe will act as nice as she can be to get me to take chances with her ass (taking her to pick up drugs) but truth be told, this heifer will throw the kid under the bus! There was a guy in the SWer thread (years ago) who was with a SWer, got caught by LEO having a car date encounter with her. Once LEO came upon them, she threw the drugs in his back seat and 10's of thousands of dollars later, he was still trying to clear his name! These young ladies cannot; let me repeat, they CANNOT be trusted. Then again, we are grown ass men, so if you trust them, then trust on but it will be to your own hurt, I promise! Biz is biz and I will forever keep it that way as long as I am in this hobby; so-called.
RD, I couldn't have said it better
[QUOTE=RickDugan;3399234]I don't know. As much as I hate to admit this, I agree with the troll on this one. I've been doing this for 20 years, which is certainly not as long as many around here, but long enough to have been around the block a few times. I have never, not once, seen a happy ending when an older dude tries to treat a much younger adult entertainer (be it a stripper, escort or some hybrid) as a "friend. " Almost invariably, the older dude in question ends up being used for something or multiple things and eventually learns that he was deluding himself about the nature of the relationship. Once you pay a girl for sex, you will almost always be, first and foremost, a guy who pays her for sex. We all know of exceptions to this, but they are called exceptions for a reason. Loyalty (in almost any form) is not high on the list of personality strengths for most of these girls, probably because many of these girls cannot see past their own internal emotional messes. In my humble opinion, true friendships are best found in places where the parties are more likely to feel true respect for one another and are capable of empathizing with others.
Also, in extreme cases, these guys go so far down the rabbit hole that they start getting sucked into these girls' shit lives in unhealthy and / or unsafe ways. These are the guys who crave the drama that comes with some of these so-called friendships, I often suspect because they have so little else going on in their lives. Maybe it's worth it for them. I don't know. But I will agree with the troll (ugh) that healthy long-term friendships are better sought elsewhere.[/QUOTE]So sad but very true. Deep down, these girls stop respecting you once you start paying them for sex. I had many hookers chide me (after they became angry with me about whatever) for paying for sex and I mean they lay you out in the worst of ways. They say things like, "that's why your old ass have to pay for sex!" When I say old, I mean an 18 y/o talking to a 38 y/o plus man. Anyone near 40 is old to them! LOL.
So what does that say about you as a friend?
[QUOTE=UWishUWereMe;3399024]Well call it what you want but one of my provider friends has helped me pay for my wife's treatment for a medical condition. Numerous insurance co pays have been paid by her. Not even asking for reimbursement. So yeah. I call her a friend. Same provider has taken me out many times for dinner on her. Yeah I call that a friend. I must agree 99% of the ladies are crazy as hell but when you find the one or two in the haystack that aren't hold onto them. That's all I was saying.[/QUOTE]One of your provider friends has given you money without reimbursement? Do you not see the irony in that statement? If someone who you have been paying gives you money back then it's either a refund or a rebate LOL 😂 Dude, you've probably given her 10 times as much as she's given back to you. All she is doing is giving you a little of your own money back, so how generous is that? And if you are still having to pay for the pussy then you are just deluding your self. I had a provider tell me after a particularly good session that she enjoyed my company so much that she was taking me out to dinner and afterwards for frozen yogurt. When all was said and done our dinner date and dessert came up to about half of what she charged me. When we got back to her room she chided me saying "damn, you're an expensive date" LOL. The while time I was thinking to myself "yeah, but you used my money to pay the bill". A provider can afford to be very generous. When they are using your money.
Yes you are and you should know better
"Hey Playa.
I moved all of these to the fight thread where they belong.
BTW, am I fucking nuts as well? I got to few friends that are hookers. It's kinda easy, if we hang out and I fuck them I give them money. If we hang out and I don't fuck them I don't give them money.
I have another friend who's an accountant, when he balances my books I give him money, when he doesn't I don't. My lawyer buddy doesn't get paid unless he does some legal shit for me. It's not hard.
Now, I've never known a hooker that wanted to pay for their own dinner or coffee if we go to supper but I don't mind picking up that tab, it's worth the money for me to have dinner or coffee with a woman half my age.
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See, this illustrates my point exactly. No disrespect to anyone and to each his own; whatever helps you to sleep at night. But the examples you have given are the very reason why mongers get taken to the cleaners by these hoes. If you have friends that do things for you and you have to compensate them for their services then I would question your definition of the word "friendship". Don't get me wrong, I have many professional acquaintances that I am cool with socially that I also do business with, but if I'm looking to profit from our relationship, we definitely are not / cannot be friends. My friends are few and far between, but I would never charge them a dime if they needed something from me and vice versa. If I have it and they need it then they get it and I don't worry about any recompense because I know that they have my back too. Further to the point, there's probably less risk involved in hanging out with your lawyer or accountant (hopefully) than some hooker / provider. I've made the mistake of tarrying too long after a session with a provider or taking them out in public and it is never a good thing. Either some monger, drug dealer, another hoe or some other unsavory person will see you together or stop by Unexpectedly" and you have to endure that awkward moment when you know that they know that she's a hoe and you're her date. Or if the chick is really nefarious you run the risk of being guilty by association and getting pinched by LEO and being accused of being her accomplice, pimp or driver. The shit we do in this hobby can be very sketchy and anyone who has spent any time around these girls should know the risks and the dangers. I've watched providers self medicate, purchase and deal and set up dates with other mongers while I was just hanging out with them. They are hustlers first and foremost. You might eventually gain their limited "trust" but they will never forget that at the end of the day, you're a guy that had to pay them for the pussy. Just my 2.
You can't turn a hoe into a housewife
[QUOTE=WhiteNite2000;3399310]So sad but very true. Deep down, these girls stop respecting you once you start paying them for sex. I had many hookers chide me (after they became angry with me about whatever) for paying for sex and I mean they lay you out in the worst of ways. They say things like, "that's why your old ass have to pay for sex!" When I say old, I mean an 18 y/o talking to a 38 y/o plus man. Anyone near 40 is old to them! LOL.[/QUOTE]I second that motion. This is a great topic for sure because it definitely demonstrates the mentality and psychology of the dynamic between tricks, hoes, marks and johns. I kid you not, I literally just had this conversation with a provider who I was just hanging out with for a few hours. Long story short this chick and I had a hotel-room-confessions session where she told me her whole life story and how she ended up trickin for dough. We all know it ultimately turned out to be that she does it to feed her addiction. And she's no ordinary hoe either, this chick comes from money, has affluent parents, is well educated, owned a very successful business and still looks fine asf, and was easily a 10 before she got hooked on the shit. She said that the money she gets from BP dates comes so easily that she couldn't imagine going back into civilian life and even if she did, she would still keep doing dates on the side. I promise you this chick could walk into any place right now and 7 out of 10 dudes wouldn't hesitate to propose marriage to her. I mean we had a good long talk, and even she was surprised by how freely she was offering up real private details of her life (which she even verified for some odd reason). Funny thing is after all of that, when we finally got done with the "business" she immediately shut down and became distant and poof just like that the connection was gone. We both got dressed without saying much and a very awkward farewell we were done.
[blue]I'm going to keep hammering you on this because you really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. If you can't turn a ho into a housewife, how do you explain the 10 or 15 guys I know who's housewives used to be ho's, have been together for years, and have really good relationships? Am I imaging this, is it a dream like when Bobby died on Dallas?
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