"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6508322]She got me for 250. I cashapped her as we were walking up the steps to my place, as she requested. Once inside my place she asked to go to the bathroom. After she got out of the bathroom she said she left her charging pad for her phone in the car. Someone had driven her there, so she called them to bring the charger back.

The car gets here, she looks back at me, gets in the car and the jet.

As long as I've been doing this I should've known better, but I think I let my guard down because I met her on a sugar dating site as opposed to an escort site. They're all playing the same game, just for different teams.

Never again. Lesson learned.[/QUOTE]OK, thanks for sharing the details and sorry for your loss! I guess you can chalk it up to 'tuition paid' in the school of mongering?

Not to belabor the point or increase the pain of your loss, but I'm interested in using CashApp for payment? I have not been able to find a way to sign up for any of those electronic money transfer methods without using IRL info. As such, doesn't one then reveal their real name to the girl? Seems a minor thing, but this thread from time to time has reports of girls blackmailing dudes when they find the IRL info! Even if there is a way to do it, I refuse so I can say I don't have ePayment methods and can work strictly cash.

Now that said, I thought I have read that there is a way to cancel or pullback funds on CashApp for some period after it is sent? Perhaps others can clarify?

Finally in the rules for SW'ers there is a line about not hosting at your own place. I guess for me the issue of blackmail or other things comes into play. What if you are taking the girl to dinner or a show and her compatriot decides to visit your place and steal stuff? What if she gets desperate and shows up at yor place at 2 AM loud and demanding money? Until I have built a solid foundation of trust with a girl, and I know about her IRL, no way I'm inviting her to my place.

Again sorry for your loss. It always pains me to see dudes getting ripped-off. I guess experiential learning is the most powerful teacher? Sigh.

Any time I've had one of these experiences, I have stepped back, taken some time to reflect on things and do some studying as to learn how to better sugar / monger.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6508378]OK, thanks for sharing the details and sorry for your loss! I guess you can chalk it up to 'tuition paid' in the school of mongering?

Not to belabor the point or increase the pain of your loss, but I'm interested in using CashApp for payment? I have not been able to find a way to sign up for any of those electronic money transfer methods without using IRL info. As such, doesn't one then reveal their real name to the girl? Seems a minor thing, but this thread from time to time has reports of girls blackmailing dudes when they find the IRL info! Even if there is a way to do it, I refuse so I can say I don't have ePayment methods and can work strictly cash.

Now that said, I thought I have read that there is a way to cancel or pullback funds on CashApp for some period after it is sent? Perhaps others can clarify?

Finally in the rules for SW'ers there is a line about not hosting at your own place. I guess for me the issue of blackmail or other things comes into play. What if you are taking the girl to dinner or a show and her compatriot decides to visit your place and steal stuff? What if she gets desperate and shows up at yor place at 2 AM loud and demanding money? Until I have built a solid foundation of trust with a girl, and I know about her IRL, no way I'm inviting her to my place.

Again sorry for your loss. It always pains me to see dudes getting ripped-off. I guess experiential learning is the most powerful teacher? Sigh.

Any time I've had one of these experiences, I have stepped back, taken some time to reflect on things and do some studying as to learn how to better sugar / monger.[/QUOTE]Usually I do a meet and greet, but I didn't this time. I think if I'd have requested a public M&G she would've declined and I could've avoided this. I think I had a false sense of security because I recently had a great FC date with Cowgirl, without doing a M&G.

I'm not overly concerned about extortion as I'm very single. I also live in a secure building, so if my place gets robbed they really earned it. LOL.

As for cashapp, I know you don't have to show your real name, just whatever moniker you choose.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6507914]Lysjacks on SA just got me. I gave her the money, and she came up with a BS excuse about needing her phone charger. Took off in vehicle. Hopefully attachment uploads. First time in all my years in the game this has happened to me.

https://members.seeking.com/member/ae295162-64d8-4ab6-9126-bb215da1b0c3[/QUOTE]AKA Lystyler. Last known number ends in 4489.

She had an ankle monitor in the past, fwiw.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6508437]Usually I do a meet and greet, but I didn't this time. I think if I'd have requested a public M&G she would've declined and I could've avoided this. I think I had a false sense of security because I recently had a great FC date with Cowgirl, without doing a M&G.

I'm not overly concerned about extortion as I'm very single. I also live in a secure building, so if my place gets robbed they really earned it. LOL.

As for cashapp, I know you don't have to show your real name, just whatever moniker you choose.[/QUOTE]Hey, I just can't help myself and NOT respond! I see too much of me in what you report! Kudos for being open to discuss this!

When I started I had a lot of enthusiasm, gusto and a bit of devil-may-care attitude. But with time and bad experiences, I learned to step back and internalize "the rules" for escorts and then modify them for the Sugar Bowl.

I have found, in my mongering career, that every time I ignore the rules or figure I am smarter or just plain ignore them, THAT is when bad experiences bite me in the ass. Yeah, I have broken the rules and got away with it from time to time, but consistently, for me, ignoring the rules ends up with experiential learning.

I also thought being single was something that would allow me to not worry about being personally identified. But I once found out that was short sighted on my part. Girl some how figured out who I was, found me on SM (LinkedIn) and called me at work with threats. Last thing I need is my career ruined when a SB or escort starts calling the boss, upper management, etc. Figured that most states are employment "at will" and I could lose job as a result. If she started posting to SM, family, friends, colleagues, etc could find out about my hobbying and I could have ended up with huge losses there.

I had a buddy who use to post on these threads, but quit when a local, state and Nat'l LE operation got interested in his posts and went looking. They got near to tracking him down, and I suspect IRL stuff from banking information was used.

So just some thoughts from experience. I also have found that everyone perceives and manages (or doesn't), risk differently. No one approach is right for everyone.

So just some thoughts, fwiw! Stay safe!

I don't have a paid membership but instead what I do is send my pictures to potential profiles and see if they reply. If I get enough interest then I'll consider getting a paid membership.

I did this with the profile below and I see that they replied. Does anyone have any experience with this young lady.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/cbb360b1-2ef3-496a-8ce2-ec20c4b22a31[/URL]

[QUOTE=FrankCastle6;6510423]AKA Lystyler. Last known number ends in 4489.

She had an ankle monitor in the past, fwiw.[/QUOTE]Well damn, that's her then.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6511382]Well damn, that's her then.[/QUOTE][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/ae295162-64d8-4ab6-9126-bb215da1b0c3[/URL]

She has contacted me recently by text wanting to meet up, but with the intel on this forum it's not happening. She contacted me a few months ago and wanted a pre-meet gift, I never responded because I will never do it. She then tells me she doesn't require a pre-meet, she must be desperate. I always do a m & g with a gift (I look at it as an interview I've turned more away then I've had a second date with.

So I'll share this photo. A SB? I wish. This is the talent among the local weather girls in Cali (not politically correct).

What's the best paid service for phone number search?

I've been using TruthFinder but it often can't find phone numbers info. I even enter my own personal number and it can't find anything.

FoxyDancer on SA. Anyone get pass just want someone to pay for her nails. Feel free to send me a private message. Would like to link up with her for a nice dream.

[QUOTE=TopGun9;6518548]What's the best paid service for phone number search?

I've been using TruthFinder but it often can't find phone numbers info. I even enter my own personal number and it can't find anything.[/QUOTE]I mostly use been verified. If you give them a new email address for the login, you can get a week worth of searching for $1. I have a few prepaid cards laying around from past purchases on SA, it is a good way to burn off those last few bucks.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6518704]I mostly use been verified. If you give them a new email address for the login, you can get a week worth of searching for $1. I have a few prepaid cards laying around from past purchases on SA, it is a good way to burn off those last few bucks.[/QUOTE]Thanks. Will give them a try.

[QUOTE=Whisper007;6518550]FoxyDancer on SA. Anyone get pass just want someone to pay for her nails. Feel free to send me a private message. Would like to link up with her for a nice dream.[/QUOTE]I've made a couple runs at her, and she's been adamant she won't hook up. As always, YMMV.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;6518902]I've made a couple runs at her, and she's been adamant she won't hook up. As always, YMMV.[/QUOTE]She is not NEARLY hot enough for me to pay her to not fuck me. She's already not fucking me and porn is free.

Anyone had dreams of this duo? One looks like she has a little methmouth going on.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3d0d9e95-c2a3-47e3-bbb2-b0d5c3949290[/URL]