Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=Admin2;4761031]You can keep side stepping if you want. I asked a very specific question. My logic doesn't amount to a pissing section in the swimming pool, they used to have kiddie pools so adults didn't have to swim in piss, my logic says if you don't want to swim in pissy water don't go into the pool.

Answer the question or don't but if you're going to continue deflecting I'll just assume you don't because you can't.[/QUOTE]I answered your question. I just didn't answer it the way you want me to answer it. I didn't sidestep it, I clearly gave you my response. Our pool is human civilization on Earth. I thought I made this as clear as day when I illustrated how the virus bled over from China to Georgia. There is no "kiddy pool". So let me spell it out to you. I live in a society by definition I do not exist alone. I have family friends, people who I wish to interact with one day and trying to find some type of "hedge" or "middle ground" is counter-productive to slowing the infection rate for everyone. My sister is a nurse fighting on the front lines in NJ, my mom is a nurse fighting the good fight in Mississippi. The more people that are socializing and are out and about; then that means more are infected, thereby increasing COVID related visits to emergency facilities. This is creating increased risk in an already high-risk situation to healthcare professionals like my mom and sister. Their livelihood, health (both physical and mental), and wellness affect me. Irrespective if I become a hermit or not.

Virus and disease is a societal issue that requires the cooperation of people in society to fight effectively. It has been that way for throughout germ warfare in human history with herd immunity, Polio vaccine, MMR vaccine, malaria and every other virus and disease we collectively try to fight. Sorry that your "freedom" or your echo chamber doesn't allow you to understand that a small sacrifice for 2, 4, 6, 8 or 10 months of your life is being inconvenienced by staying in a temperature-controlled environment, with running water, freshwater, and food; allow some to get the treatment in a hospital and save their life. In what would be an otherwise completely overrun healthcare system.

Lives are being saved because the overwhelming majority are staying on lockdown and yes lives are being lost, unfortunately at a still staggering rate. But if I have to sit in the house all day to give the system a chance to catch up and our Epidemiologist a chance to collect, analyze and figure out data to make the best chance of saving lives or avoiding infection going forward. I'm all in.

[QUOTE=Anubis06;4760977]The evidence from South Korea and Taiwan begs to differ. They locked down and tested very aggressively and it worked. When didn't do the same as early and now it is beyond our ability to quarantine and testing capacity. What we have left as a good path forward is a lockdown.[/QUOTE]No it doesn't beg to differ. It's the same. You are full of mis/disinformation. S Korea never locked down. Closed some bars and such early in April when daily cases were way below peak. How did cases peak, then subside w/o lockdowns in S Korea and Sweden, and before lockdowns in Italy and Germany? Look at their chart and tell me when S Korea locked down

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102777/south-korea-covid-19-daily-new-cases/

This argument is the classic war between group thinkers and individual thinkers.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4760002]'In four USA State prisons, nearly 3,300 inmates test positive for coronavirus -- 96% without symptoms'.

[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-prisons-testing-in-idUSKCN2270RX[/URL][/QUOTE]There is no current antibody test for the current Sars-Cov-2 which is a specific strain.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4761090]No it doesn't beg to differ. It's the same. You are full of mis/disinformation. S Korea never locked down. Closed some bars and such early in April when daily cases were way below peak. How did cases peak, then subside w/o lockdowns in S Korea and Sweden, and before lockdowns in Italy and Germany? Look at their chart and tell me when S Korea locked down

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102777/south-korea-covid-19-daily-new-cases/[/QUOTE]Let me clarify before this turn to personal attacks about me being full of "misinformation". South Korea did quarantine. When they saw what was coming out of China; everyone that had even the remotest of symptoms they tested, quarantined and lockdowned those particular areas. The virus didn't get an opportunity to spread wide to the general population. They locked down geographical areas that had positive tests and then started random and sample testing all around the country. They did this on the first confirmed case on Jan 20th which was the same date that the US identified its first positive case.

IF you mean Lockdown as in shutting down all businesses in the country then yes you are correct. I mean lockdown as in where they found positive tests they locked down those particular areas. Why do I use the word lockdown. From my perspective when you quarantine it applies to those who are known positive and are restricted from movement. Like Chris Cuamo from CNN. Lockdown in my view is when you stop social gatherings, close businesses, and in an effort to stop or slow infections this applies those who have and havent tested positive.

So now on to your personal attack on. Exactly what bad information am I full of?

"South Korea has been effective in controlling the nation's mortality rate not through travel bans but instead through widespread rigorous quarantine measures and testing, now even exporting domestically produced test kits such as the 51,000 diagnostic products sent this week to the United Arab Emirates.

Most importantly, South Korea immediately began testing hundreds of thousands of asymptomatic people, including at drive-through centres. South Korea employed a central tracking app, Corona 100 m, that publicly informs citizens of known cases within 100 metres of where they are. Surprisingly, a culture that has often rebelliously rejected authoritarianism has embraced intrusive measures.

On 17 March, a temporary provision entailed a small subsidy of 454,900 South Korean won (313) a month to cover basic living expenses. The same funding is available to those who are self-isolating, regardless of whether they test positive for the virus. It's not hugely generous, but provides subsistence for those whose lives are upended by necessary measures such as the ministry of education's closure of schools. ".

Source: [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/20/south-korea-rapid-intrusive-measures-covid-19[/URL].

[QUOTE=Anubis06;4761157]

IF you mean Lockdown as in shutting down all businesses in the country then yes you are correct. I mean lockdown as in where they found positive tests they locked down those particular areas. Why do I use the word lockdown. From my perspective you quarantine applies to those who are known positive and are restricted from movement. Like Chris Cuamo from CNN. Lockdown in my view is when you stop social gatherings, close businesses, and in an effort to stop or slow infections. [/QUOTE]Your own words were they locked down, not they locked down only particular areas. Now do Sweden, break that down for me. How without lockdowns their cases peaked and declined. Then do Italy and Germany and explain what good a lockdown was when cases had already peaked and were already declining and lockdown had no effect, good or bad, on trajectory of decline.

Restricted from movement like Chris Cuomo? You didn't hear the story of him w / o mask in the Hamptons looking at some land he'd just bought? You believe his televised skit where he scaled his basement steps was the first time he'd left his basement?

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;4761023]So your response is everyone has to be dragged down for the sake of those who must be more protective, either for their own health or for someone who might live with them? That's as dumb as Cobb Schools telling me I cannot send a Coke with my son's lunch because everyone did not get a coke.[/QUOTE]I'm sure it's only dumb because you don't agree with it. It's funny that you believe it is dumb because that is exactly how Herd immunity works. I am stunned you are belittling the concept of a society or herd immunity or even a police department. I mean we all pay taxes for schools and yet I have no kids. We pay taxes for fire department, why can't I opt out of that and have them bill me if my house ever catches fire, right? Or have the police bill me if I ever need their service right?

The protecting the public welfare requires (get this) cooperation of the public. Using your school analogy it's more like your son not being allowed in school because he hasnt been vaccinated.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4761179]Your own words were they locked down, not they locked down only particular areas. Now do Sweden, break that down for me. How without lockdowns their cases peaked and declined. Then do Italy and Germany and explain what good a lockdown was when cases had already peaked and were already declining and lockdown had no effect, good or bad, on trajectory of decline.

Restricted from movement like Chris Cuomo? You didn't hear the story of him w / o mask in the Hamptons looking at some land he'd just bought? You believe his televised skit where he scaled his basement steps was the first time he'd left his basement?[/QUOTE]Not sure what you are referencing about Sweden. Sweden Infection rate continues to grow, a country with the population size less than Georgia, without the population density of a Metro Atlanta area, has twice as many deaths and fewer known infections. That infection rate is growing on average 600+ a day with no aggressive testing to understand what the real number of infection rate is.

[QUOTE=Anubis06;4761201]That infection rate is growing on average 600+ a day with no aggressive testing to understand what the real number of infection rate is.[/QUOTE]Sweden's tested almost twice as many as US. More tests, more cases doesn't mean it's getting worse. You need both numbers. Test 200 a day and get 50 positives, ramp up to 2,000 tests daily and get 500 pos, ramp up to 200,000 and get 50,000 new cases. Is same as percent. A straight line. Not 'exponential' like many said. Vast majority are asymptomatic. As said multiple times before, many of us have / had virus. So many that the mortality rate is like a bad flu season at. 1 - . 2% with 99% of that being people over 65 and / or very sick to start with.

You wrote elsewhere, ' It's funny that you believe it is dumb because that is exactly how Herd immunity works. ' Your point is the exact opposite of herd immunity works. Lockdown all and immunity weakens. If 65 or older and / or very sick, morbidly obese to start with, lockdown. Stay home. The rest get out where 99+ % will be be fine. Won't even know they're sick if they are. They pass a weakened virus on, then a weaker, and a weakest. That's how herd immunity works.

You actually believed Chris Cuomo was restricted to his basement?

This is a person who tried to team with mongers on the Ocala forum against me, when I was trying to urge guys NOT to visit providers. Notice he loves to make comparisons. Covid 19 equal to car accidents. LOL. WTF is that fool talking about. You guys should check out his debate with me, (just click my name, Last post, was titled "Both sides of your Ass") 1 of my recent posts. He is saying going to the Grocery Store is equivalent to visiting a hooker, in attempts to earn the respect of the mongers by opposing me on this matter. After defending the mongers who would like to continue visiting providers during this pandemic, he later said, FLATTENING THE CURB IS A GOOD IDEA. (Which 1 is it?) In his first post against me, he also asks the question, "Why couldn't Covid 19 target guys like me and not the elderly?" I then put him in his place, on how that was a very rude and unnecessary comment, then I wished him and his family to stay safe. His next post, he ended by telling me to BE SAFE AND DON'T GO OUT IF I DON'T NEED TO? Motherfucka you never answered my question. When the Fuck will I need to out? Groceries and hookers poses the same threat according to you, and you defended the Ocala Mongers who still wants to play with them during this pandemic. Not that the numbers are pointless, but that's his best argument he can come up with, "Car accidents are blah blah blah thousand and Covid 19 deaths are that. Stfu you POS. Motherfuckin approval seeking bastard. I wish Admin2's parents never had sex, but rather his father should of shot that load down the toilet. Wished death on me and told me to be safe in 1 day. Says we should flatten the curb by not going out unless necessary but says hookers are okay to play with.

He had no comeback for me but I see he's still being a dick. Where is Admin 1? I want to speak to the horses head not the horses ass. Good job, and thankyou for going against the grain and standing for what's right, Anubis06. Sgt Soros, your 2 cents made a lot of sense. Stay safe bros. He said you never answered his question but he put his tail between his legs after our debate, and left. Pussy. A real Man speaks from the heart and what he believes in, and you won't find contradictions. On the other side of the coin, you have phoney posers who seek approval from others, and may appear logical but far from it. He took my posts and created a forum for it called "Stupid SHIT that has nothing to do with pussy to make himself look like he was doing something good for the other Mongers.... Um, my guy, aren't you sitting here discussing the same exact STUPID SHIT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PUSSY?Because it seems like the exact topic, my guy. Lol. Smh.Dude is a clown. Noone said the sky was falling you dick, it's just that when dealing with an enemy such as this virus that can spread so quickly, I'd prefer everyone to do their part united.
Bottom line is that you're are arguing with a JACKASS.

[QUOTE=Shaft22;4761316]This is a person who tried to team with mongers on the Ocala forum against me, when I was trying to urge guys NOT to visit providers. Notice he loves to make comparisons. Covid 19 equal to car accidents. LOL. WTF is that fool talking about. You guys should check out his debate with me, (just click my name, Last post, was titled "Both sides of your Ass") 1 of my recent posts. He is saying going to the Grocery Store is equivalent to visiting a hooker, in attempts to earn the respect of the mongers by opposing me on this matter. After defending the mongers who would like to continue visiting providers during this pandemic, he later said, FLATTENING THE CURB IS A GOOD IDEA. (Which 1 is it?) In his first post against me, he also asks the question, "Why couldn't Covid 19 target guys like me and not the elderly?" I then put him in his place, on how that was a very rude and unnecessary comment, then I wished him and his family to stay safe. His next post, he ended by telling me to BE SAFE AND DON'T GO OUT IF I DON'T NEED TO? Motherfucka you never answered my question. When the Fuck will I need to out? Groceries and hookers poses the same threat according to you, and you defended the Ocala Mongers who still wants to play with them during this pandemic. Not that the numbers are pointless, but that's his best argument he can come up with, "Car accidents are blah blah blah thousand and Covid 19 deaths are that. Stfu you POS. Motherfuckin approval seeking bastard. I wish Admin2's parents never had sex, but rather his father should of shot that load down the toilet. Wished death on me and told me to be safe in 1 day. Says we should flatten the curb by not going out unless necessary but says hookers are okay to play with.

He had no comeback for me but I see he's still being a dick. Where is Admin 1? I want to speak to the horses head not the horses ass. Good job Anubis06, stay safe bro. He said you never answered his question but he put his tail between his legs after our debate, and left. Pussy. A real Man speaks from the heart and what he believes in, and you won't find contradictions. On the other side of the coin, you have phoney posers who seek approval from others, and may appear logical but far from it. He took my posts and created a forum for it called "Stupid SHIT that has nothing to do with pussy to make himself look like he was doing something good for the other Mongers.... Um, my guy, aren't you sitting here discussing the same exact STUPID SHIT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PUSSY?Because it seems like the exact topic, my guy. Lol. Smh.Dude is a clown.
Bottom line is that you're are arguing with a JACKASS.[/QUOTE]We all will get it going to get a Georgia peach can be both I mean so many people eat Georgia peaches especially down here in the south.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4761274]Sweden's tested almost twice as many as US. More tests, more cases doesn't mean it's getting worse. You need both numbers. Test 200 a day and get 50 positives, ramp up to 2,000 tests daily and get 500 pos, ramp up to 200,000 and get 50,000 new cases. Is same as percent. A straight line. Not 'exponential' like many said. Vast majority are asymptomatic. As said multiple times before, many of us have / had virus. So many that the mortality rate is like a bad flu season at. 1 - . 2% with 99% of that being people over 65 and / or very sick to start with.

You wrote elsewhere, ' It's funny that you believe it is dumb because that is exactly how Herd immunity works. ' Your point is the exact opposite of herd immunity works. Lockdown all and immunity weakens. If 65 or older and / or very sick, morbidly obese to start with, lockdown. Stay home. The rest get out where 99+ % will be be fine. Won't even know they're sick if they are. They pass a weakened virus on, then a weaker, and a weakest. That's how herd immunity works.

You actually believed Chris Cuomo was restricted to his basement?[/QUOTE]I will withdraw from the conversation because you are starting to make up numbers. "99+% will be fine" certainly a made up percentage. More test doesn't mean it's getting worse, more deaths based on their population does. Georgia has hardly been a paragon on how to handle this situation but even we have half the deaths of Sweden with about a million more people. Sweden has only tested 94,000 people in the past month and half.

According to Sweden, they have only tested 94,900 people.

Source Sweden Public Health agency: [URL]https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige.[/URL].

I'm neither interested in debating Chris Cuamo and your conspiracy theory. The fact you keep bringing it up kinda indicates something to me that I am better off withdrawing from the discussion. Best wishes.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;4761274]Sweden's tested almost twice per capita as US. More tests, more cases doesn't mean it's getting worse. You need both numbers. Test 200 a day and get 50 positives, ramp up to 2,000 tests daily and get 500 pos, ramp up to 200,000 and get 50,000 new cases. Is same as percent. A straight line. Not 'exponential' like many said. Vast majority are asymptomatic. As said multiple times before, many of us have / had virus. So many that the mortality rate is like a bad flu season at. 1 - . 2% with 99% of that being people over 65 and / or very sick to start with.

You wrote elsewhere, ' It's funny that you believe it is dumb because that is exactly how Herd immunity works. ' Your point is the exact opposite of herd immunity works. Lockdown all and immunity weakens. If 65 or older and / or very sick, morbidly obese to start with, lockdown. Stay home. The rest get out where 99+ % will be be fine. Won't even know they're sick if they are. They pass a weakened virus on, then a weaker, and a weakest. That's how herd immunity works.

You actually believed Chris Cuomo was restricted to his basement?[/QUOTE]*Sweden's tested almost twice per capita as US.

[QUOTE=Shaft22;4761316]FLATTENING THE CURB IS A GOOD IDEA. [/QUOTE]Flatten the curve moron.

[QUOTE=Admin2;4761425]Flatten the curve moron.[/QUOTE]Ooooh shit, he caught me in a typo. Awwwww fuck, what to do? DAMN! 😂 weak comeback from a weak piece of shit! Thats why I like to speak with the head not the ass of an entity. Like I said, your pops should shot you down the toilet or should've wore a rubber that night. Lmfao. You're deserving of no respect pussy.