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I surely pity the one who is stuck on dialup and having to slog thru all the unneeded crap of the last several postings!
Go where you want to go and tip what you want to tip and shut the hell up about it!
None of all this prattle has enabled anyone to get laid or blown so it does NOT apply!
Why are we here? THINK about the mission of this web site!
If you want to argue, do it via PM, or better still face to face.
JJ
[QUOTE=Sleazebum]I surely pity the one who is stuck on dialup and having to slog thru all the unneeded crap of the last several postings!
Go where you want to go and tip what you want to tip and shut the hell up about it!
None of all this prattle has enabled anyone to get laid or blown so it does NOT apply!
Why are we here? THINK about the mission of this web site!
If you want to argue, do it via PM, or better still face to face.
JJ[/QUOTE]
You are right. I got caught up in BS. I deleted my posts.
Thanks for setting me straight!
BDD
[QUOTE=LexLuther]NukeyNuke et al,
With all due respect, I think you need a reality check. Don't get me wrong! I preached and prattled about this many times. The AMP girls are people and need to be treated with kindness for that reason alone. You treat people with dignity and respect, no matter what they do for a living.
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So my advice is that if you are looking for a relationship, don't look for it in a massage parlor. Look for it online, in church, in some other venue where you practice your endeavors. But don't look for it at an AMP. To do so is to make your life and the life of the working girl more complex than it needs to be.
LexLuther[/QUOTE]
Lex,
I've always appreciated your perspective. By relationship, I mean a business relationship...not a 'take home to Mom' relationship. I, for one, could never have such with any of these girls. So, all of the part about that type of relationship doesn't matter.
I agree it's all about money. You get what you pay for. If you want better service and girls, we need to be willing to pay for them. However, there are ramifications to upping the base price.
Sleazebum,
I've always appreciated your perspective as well. I'm sure you will agree that the quality of provider and service is not what it used to be in DC.
I've had good and bad experiences, more bad than good lately. Never used to be this way in the past.
I think we need to give thought to how we can make it better. That was the purpose of my post. I'd like to think that it ties in with yours to a certain extent, in an effort to make the quality of the lay or blow better. In that vein, I think we can afford some intelligent conversation on the issue. Remember, it is US who REALLY set the prices (and thus the quality of service) in DC...simple economics.
Best all,
Nuke
Fair enough. I re-read your report and I offer my apology. You do seem to have been talking about a business relationship vice a personal one. My bad.
And I appreciate and value your perspective as well. I agree with you that there is value in discussing the business here. I mean we all spend a lot of money on these girls. We owe it to ourselves to try to understand the business.
Having said that, I also have to say that the industry is what it is. It's not clear to me that we (as customers) have the power to change any of that. One thing you have to keep in mind about this business is that it's basically illegal. When you are talking about patronizing a bar or a barber ship, you have alternatives and you can talk about possibly changing things through your patronage. But in some respects the AMP business is like buying illegal drugs, except that you are paying for a service and not a product.
In that respect the industry sort of has you over a barrel. At least that's how it seems to me.
LexLuther
There are not nearly enough of us to make a bit of difference to any of the stuff people are arguing about here.
The moderator should delete all these posts, mine included, that are OFF TOPIC.
JJ
[QUOTE=NukeyNuke]Lex,
I've always appreciated your perspective. By relationship, I mean a business relationship...not a 'take home to Mom' relationship. I, for one, could never have such with any of these girls. So, all of the part about that type of relationship doesn't matter.
I agree it's all about money. You get what you pay for. If you want better service and girls, we need to be willing to pay for them. However, there are ramifications to upping the base price.
Sleazebum,
I've always appreciated your perspective as well. I'm sure you will agree that the quality of provider and service is not what it used to be in DC.
I've had good and bad experiences, more bad than good lately. Never used to be this way in the past.
I think we need to give thought to how we can make it better. That was the purpose of my post. I'd like to think that it ties in with yours to a certain extent, in an effort to make the quality of the lay or blow better. In that vein, I think we can afford some intelligent conversation on the issue. Remember, it is US who REALLY set the prices (and thus the quality of service) in DC...simple economics.
Best all,
Nuke[/QUOTE]
USG has a primary purpose, as we all know, but other intel that we share is of great value to many of us. I was very interested in the AMP business model when I first started going and the info I got from USG and other boards has been very helpful to me as I became more active. Those days are gone, but I still enjoy reading the reviews and sampling the establishments from time-to-time. What is not helpful is the flaming that goes on.
FWIW
Can we get away from the price/girl/BS talk. Someone, anyone go out and get some. Hopefully I'll get a chance this week, maybe early next week. I'll go. Happy at 1413 sounds promising. Last time I was there I had Nana. Incredible experience. I would recommend her. Nice ass, trim clam, perfect boobs. No nonsense type of girl. She likes the hand signs too, so nothing gets said incase LE happens to be listening. Besides, all I did was go for a nice back massage and it turned into a back massage and a foot massage.
Hoping the price/debate will go away. I agree that we need to keep the price down, but it's like gasoline, we all need it no matter what the price.
That's all I'm going to say about that (thus spoke Forrest Gump)
Cabbie!
[QUOTE=LexLuther]Fair enough. I re-read your report and I offer my apology. You do seem to have been talking about a business relationship vice a personal one. My bad.
And I appreciate and value your perspective as well. I agree with you that there is value in discussing the business here. I mean we all spend a lot of money on these girls. We owe it to ourselves to try to understand the business.
Having said that, I also have to say that the industry is what it is. It's not clear to me that we (as customers) have the power to change any of that. One thing you have to keep in mind about this business is that it's basically illegal. When you are talking about patronizing a bar or a barber ship, you have alternatives and you can talk about possibly changing things through your patronage. But in some respects the AMP business is like buying illegal drugs, except that you are paying for a service and not a product.
In that respect the industry sort of has you over a barrel. At least that's how it seems to me.
LexLuther[/QUOTE]
Thanks Lex. I appreciate that. No apology necessary...a simple misunderstanding during a discussion...that's all.
You're absolutely right. They have us 'over a barrel' so to speak. I'm just trying to facilitate discussion on how (or if) we can find a way to somehow exert some control or perhaps to modify the situation.
I'm basically trying to get better service versus the lackadaisical service we've seen in DC lately. I'm looking for the service we all saw in the past like at the Ginza and Downtown spas of old. It's out there, somewhere...just not here. If I have to pay more for it, fine. I just want to get some guarantees that if I begin to pay what I'm seeing paid in other cities, I'll get significantly better service than I'm currently getting.
Sleazebum,
Honestly, I understand your desire to keep to the essence of this forum. This is not an argument or debate. Both of those positions insinuate a disagreement of some sort on the issue and I don't see this being that...I think we all agree we want better service. However, I think these discussions would serve to help you as well. Considering we DO pay quite a bit in the pursuit of this hobby, it would be beneficial to determine a way to get the most out of it that we can. Don't you agree?
Certainly we can restrict the discussion to commenting on, highlighting, or showcasing a particular provider or experience. But if the provider is dissatisfied with their compensation and move on after a month or so, then we've lost an asset we all can enjoy. Our commentary should also assist in determining ways to keep around the BEST talent. Quantity is nice, but quality is what seems to keep most mongers coming back. Individual providers are what I consider to be an interim solution. I love the AMPs and table showers...
And ain't nothin' like finding a AMP chick that'll work you the way you wanna be worked...every time...without fail...without asking or you having to tell them how...and can knock it like you want. Isn't that why, when we stumble upon that provider, after trying dozens, we loose our fucking minds and keep coming back to her until she is 'gone'? Of course it is.
Actually, Rejected Monke's phone conversations tell the story. If they are an accurate portrayal of the situation, they suggest we may need to give consideration to possibly slightly increasing our prices (like the rest of the Nation) to get the real quality of service we seek. These girls obviously see an increased risk with the DC area and the best are unwilling to venture south and incur the perceived risk for the low payout.
This discussion is about how to draw those "quality" providers into DC and how to keep them around longer. I'm bringing this before the fellow mongers for discussion and opinion. I believe it could serve to benefit us all. I really hope you will contribute and give us the benefit of your experience and wisdom.
Oh, and CabDriver, it's NOT like gasoline. We can always go to our SO's or SW's or any number of other places to 'get it'...hell, push come shove, we can do it ourselves if need be. Not getting it isn't going to keep us from functioning. And, not paying for it at all and letting the AMP's go dry or slacking up on their use IS a form of protest. Not one I advocate because of the long term consequences but one nevertheless.
I believe in the power of multiple minds. That is why I'm bringing this all up. Hopefully, between us all we can some up with a strategy to increase service.
Thanks,
Nuke
One major issue is that we hear on this forum probably are less than 10 percent of business.
For instance during downtown`s boycott they were still seeing 90 customers a day. Yes I know that's a lot of ding dong`s (I'm talking about the doorbell) get your mind out of the gutter. lol
The way to increase talent / volume its probably going to take money. What I've heard in Atlanta there getting close to $$ tip in some of the higher end places. If I know I'm cute/good I'm going with the money.
I don't know about anybody here but if I was a lady in order to have 10 stabbings a day I want to get it were the money is.
Furthermore if I was a lady I'd be eating PUSSY definitely not dealing with some of the fat stinky ass cheap people I've seen in these places.
Happy Hunting
AJ
[QUOTE=A John]One major issue is that we hear on this forum probably are less than 10 percent of business.
For instance during downtown`s boycott they were still seeing 90 customers a day. Yes I know that's a lot of ding dong`s (I'm talking about the doorbell) get your mind out of the gutter. lol
The way to increase talent / volume its probably going to take money. What I've heard in Atlanta there getting close to $$ tip in some of the higher end places. If I know I'm cute/good I'm going with the money.
I don't know about anybody here but if I was a lady in order to have 10 stabbings a day I want to get it were the money is.
Furthermore if I was a lady I'd be eating PUSSY definitely not dealing with some of the fat stinky ass cheap people I've seen in these places.
Happy Hunting
AJ[/QUOTE]
Excellent points.
This is not directed at A John, but to those who underestimate the impact of this board. Let's keep in mind that the Downtown boycott was only being pursued by a select few, and in the grand scheme of things, five or six customers who may or may not visit once a week is not going to make a dent. There were still plenty of lurkers and posters who graced Downtown with their patronage.
Let's also keep in mind that just because we're 10% of the business doesn't mean we account for 10% at the individual level. For example, we could account for as high as 40%-50% of an individual girl's business (i.e. Bebe of Sun).
To make this clearer, let's just use a simple example:
There are 100 total guys. 10 guys (10%) are USG readers.
There are 10 girls. All things equal, they normally see 10 guys each, with girls seeing 1 USGer each.
An awesome review for Girl X pops up. 5 other USG readers decide to check out Girl X. So now she has 15 guys. That's a 50% increase in demand for HER business, while 5 other girls lost 10% of their business at the individual level. Now obviously, she won't be able to see all 15 of those guys (unless she is some sort of f-cking machine), but the fact that the demand is there will ensure her longevity.
That's why even though I advocate tipping extra for girls who provide exceptional service, [b]sharing and reporting[/b] is even more important.
Do you guys want to know why Supra had the best looking lineup in DC from late last summer thru early winter? Because that's where the money was as girls would average $1000 a day. It's all about the Benjamins.
I have had the pleasure of an hour with these two ladies during the last few weeks. I enjoyed both visits. Both ladies are in their late thirties, yes with a few miles on them, but they made it up to me in service and attitude. I am older so I do not need girls in their twenties, they tend to upset me.
Misha is thin, looks totally Korean, with cute short hair. She is all natural, and petite all around. Nana is buxom, with amazing bazoombas--wow, huge and natural. She has something else in her besides Korean, maybe Hispanic, maybe Anglo. She looks exotic.
Their service is very, very similar. What I would call "Dallas Treatment." If any of you guys ever were hobbying in Dallas a few years ago, you would spend more than we do for this service, albeit with a younger provider.
If the spa thing does not work out, either one of them could work at Cirque de Soleil as a sword swallower, that is an amazing gift.
Good showers, good soft massages, all the extras, I will be back.
Be nice to the little dog and Mama will put in a good word for you. Peace.
I wonder if Nana is the name of the week or the ladies are working a circuit. The Nana I know and visit is at Rio. She's short and cute, says she 28 and I believe her. Amazing ta-tas, feel and look real.
I saw her a few days ago and got the gfe treatment, I guess because I'm a regular. Very enthusiastic dfk, a/r. She's very loving and personable.
When I arrived we had to wait for the shower. I started to get frisky and she ran out to get the cover. I unleashed my dog of war LOL and we had at it. I thought it would be the quickest visit I ever had but I held off and we hit the t/s. It was a long shower as she kept popping out of her bra and I had to taste.
When we got back, she insisted on the massagi. Very light, but all areas were covered, very relaxing.
Afterwards, I returned the favor with tongue and fingers. Nana got into it and squirted. The first time I'd seen that. We hit all positions. I know we went over the hour. At Rio, they encourage repeat business by treating us to the little extras. Nana has a great personality and body. I will repeat.
[QUOTE=Dr Bombay]I wonder if Nana is the name of the week or the ladies are working a circuit. The Nana I know and visit is at Rio. She's short and cute, says she 28 and I believe her. Amazing ta-tas, feel and look real.
[/QUOTE]
There is no circuit... But these Nana's are all different.
Also, Nana at Rio (formerly Coco of Sun) is actually 50.........
Well, I was dreaming earlier tonight. Fell asleep on the couch again.
I find myself inside MCDXIII.
So I'm ushered inside to room 3. I wait maybe 10 minutes and then in comes this creature of beautiful proportions. Curly long hair, pretty face and perfect skin. She felt like silk. So we're off to the shower, everything was cleaned nicely. Back to the room, I'm face down and she's lightly rubbing my back and legs. Totally relaxed me. Next, I flip over and the picture of perfection is wearing her birthday suit waiting for me to grab her and kiss her. Next we progress to her "taking the bull bu the horns". Next, we're off into a wonderful CG, next walking the dog and finally meeting a missionary. Incredible girl. So soft, so "Happy" to please. Kept moaning and rolling with it all. I'm not sure if she came but We were having so much fun, I didn't care. The whole time lasted 55 min, I wasn't going to complain. I think next Monday, I'll still be smiling.
So I'm ushered inside to room 3. I wait maybe 10 minutes and then in comes this creature of beautiful proportions. Curly long hair, pretty face and perfect skin. She felt like silk. So we're off to the shower, everything was cleaned nicely. Back to the room, I'm face down and she's lightly rubbing my back and legs. Totally relaxed me. Next, I flip over and the picture of perfection is wearing her birthday suit waiting for me to grab her and kiss her. Next we progress to her "taking the bull bu the horns". Next, we're off into a wonderful CG, next walking the dog and finally meeting a missionary. Incredible girl. So soft, so "Happy" to please. Kept moaning and rolling with it all. I'm not sure if she came but We were having so much fun, I didn't care. The whole time lasted 55 min, I wasn't going to complain. I think next Monday, I'll still be smiling.
Service : 9
Attitude : 9
Her : 9
Would I repeat : hell yeah...I recommend her
I brought a little gift and I think it helped. For all those who are against spending $6 for a small gift, bite me!
Anyway, off to sleep this off, no tequila required tonight!
Cabbie!
PS Be careful, there's bacon all over in the place. I passed 3-4 cop cars pulling people over local to 1413. Plus a series of donut-crew chilling in the park on the next block, checking out, what I'm guessing the homeless. Just an FYI. Be careful out there!
COAO
[QUOTE=Ginger Man]I have had the pleasure of an hour with these two ladies during the last few weeks. I enjoyed both visits. Both ladies are in their late thirties, yes with a few miles on them, but they made it up to me in service and attitude. I am older so I do not need girls in their twenties, they tend to upset me.
Misha is thin, looks totally Korean, with cute short hair. She is all natural, and petite all around. Nana is buxom, with amazing bazoombas--wow, huge and natural. She has something else in her besides Korean, maybe Hispanic, maybe Anglo. She looks exotic.
Their service is very, very similar. What I would call "Dallas Treatment." If any of you guys ever were hobbying in Dallas a few years ago, you would spend more than we do for this service, albeit with a younger provider.
If the spa thing does not work out, either one of them could work at Cirque de Soleil as a sword swallower, that is an amazing gift.
Good showers, good soft massages, all the extras, I will be back.
Be nice to the little dog and Mama will put in a good word for you. Peace.[/QUOTE]
Actually, I've been hobbying in Dallas back and forth for the past year or two. You are right. You pay a little more but get a younger provider and better service.
Dallas has had its share of LE problems lately but when I was there about a month ago, it seemed like it was in the middle of a rebound...there is a spa around every corner there. More than twice the number of establishments than in DC and the talent is excellent.