Massage Parlor Reports

We sure did lose a good one. Now I wonder what exactly made them target Y instead of others? Someone tip em off? IMHO, I wouldn't be surprised if it were B, I think the worst of them.

[QUOTE=Rj2008]Birmingham massage parlor owner, employee indicted on human trafficking, prostitution charges


An owner and employee of an east Birmingham massage parlor were indicted Wednesday on charges of trafficking women to work as prostitutes, according to a press release from the U.S. Attorney's Office.

A federal grand jury indicted Yoshiko LLC; Seung Hee Lee, 38, owners of the Parkway East business; and employee Oi Sun Ensley, 42, on charges of enticing an individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution; harboring an illegal alien for private financial gain; and failing to file a factual statement about an alien.

The defendants are accused of using three women, all illegal immigrants, as prostitutes at the business.

"Human trafficking for the purposes of prostitution is a deplorable crime that amounts to modern day slavery," U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance said in a statement.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Yakuzi]We sure did lose a good one. Now I wonder what exactly made them target Y instead of others? Someone tip em off? IMHO, I wouldn't be surprised if it were B, I think the worst of them.[/QUOTE]

I figure their popularity had something to do with it. It had got to the point they were busy even at 9:30 on Sunday morning. And the steady stream of men in and out of there probably caught the attention and ire of the nosey women in the beauty salon above the Y.

[QUOTE=Hbergeron]I figure their popularity had something to do with it. It had got to the point they were busy even at 9:30 on Sunday morning. And the steady stream of men in and out of there probably caught the attention and ire of the nosey women in the beauty salon above the Y.[/QUOTE]

I would have have to agree with what you said. I feel bad for the owner to be charged with all that and it seems to me that the girls who were working there made some sort of deal . I know as a ex spa owner that nobody forces these girls to stay and work they do it for the money.

Jasmine I am glad to have your perspective on this subject. I have enjoyed visiting these places and I really liked Ruby and everyone who was there.

Some girls I talked to were building up cash for school, to support their family, start a business, or something. They usually had a goal of some sort and that was a way to make it happen.



[QUOTE=Jasmine Smith]I would have have to agree with what you said. I feel bad for the owner to be charged with all that and it seems to me that the girls who were working there made some sort of deal . I know as a ex spa owner that nobody forces these girls to stay and work they do it for the money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hbergeron]Jasmine I am glad to have your perspective on this subject. I have enjoyed visiting these places and I really liked Ruby and everyone who was there.

Some girls I talked to were building up cash for school, to support their family, start a business, or something. They usually had a goal of some sort and that was a way to make it happen.[/QUOTE]

Yes it starts out that way with a goal in mind but Korean girls love to spend money on the most expensive name brand items.

[url]http://www2.nbc13.com/news/2010/sep/30/birmingham-massage-parlor-indicted-prostitution-ca-ar-899197/[/url]

Birmingham – A federal grand jury today indicted an eastern Birmingham massage parlor, its owner and an employee on charges related to the human trafficking of women working there as prostitutes, announced USA Attorney Joyce White Vance in conjunction with the FBI, USA Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Birmingham Police Department.

The indictment filed in USA District Court charges [blue][Name(s) deleted by Admin][/blue], owner of the Parkway East business; and [blue][Name(s) deleted by Admin][/blue], an employee, with three counts of enticing an individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution; three counts of harboring an illegal alien for private financial gain; and three counts of failing to file a factual statement about an alien.

According to the Indictment, between Aug. 17, 2008, and Aug. 17, 2010, [blue][Name(s) deleted by Admin][/blue] and [blue][Name(s) deleted by Admin][/blue] persuaded, induced, enticed and coerced three adult women to travel in interstate and foreign commerce to engage in prostitution. In addition, the defendants harbored the three adult women, who were illegal aliens, in a place of prostitution and for private financial gain.

"Human trafficking for the purposes of prostitution is a deplorable crime that amounts to modern day slavery, " Vance said. "Those who prey on individuals in desperate financial or life circumstances for personal profit must be prosecuted. "

The case was investigated by the Birmingham Police Department, USA Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the FBI.

[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was edited to [u]remove the names of persons who were arrested[/u] from the report.

I want to say this carefully so no one gets the wrong idea here, but if you think about it, posting the names of people who have been arrested is [u]somewhat heartless[/u] and really just helping the police in their efforts to embarrass these people.

Since this website is all about assisting people in obtaining commercial sex services, we don't want to add to the problems of the unfortunate people who have been arrested by publishing their names and/or photographs.

[i]Thanks![/i][/blue]

It looks like this was facilitated by a Alabama law that went into effect July 1. Things may be permanently changing around here.

[url]http://www.jackwilliams.org/williams-human-trafficking-bill-signed-into-law/[/url]

Human trafficking occurs when people are forced into involuntary servitude through violence or threats, often as prostitutes or laborers. Alabama has seen several high-profile cases of human trafficking in recent years. Now, with a state law making human trafficking a felony, state and local law enforcement officers — and not just the FBI — are able to investigate the crime in the state.

The new law brings Alabama in line with 44 other states that criminalize human trafficking. It goes into effect on July 1.

"This is the most comprehensive law against human trafficking in the entire nation. We went from having no law to having one that is considered a model for the rest of the nation," said Representative Jack Williams, a sponsor of the bill in the Legislature.

I have never been to any of the others, and I get mixed reviews. My estimation is that the gap between the Y and the rest was vast, so there may be no replicating the experience.

That being said - if you had to go today to pick one, which would it be?

The VIP/Bali post ads regularly on BP, and other places. SS I hear absolutely nothing about as of late. The only recent reviews seem to be by newbies/pigs.

"Privacy" isn't a huge concern in terms of outside the place. Ideally I'm wanting younger women (18-25) with the full table shower, massage, etc. along with alone time with no rushing.

Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Edward Nigma]I have never been to any of the others, and I get mixed reviews. My estimation is that the gap between the Y and the rest was vast, so there may be no replicating the experience.

That being said - if you had to go today to pick one, which would it be?

The VIP/Bali post ads regularly on BP, and other places. SS I hear absolutely nothing about as of late. The only recent reviews seem to be by newbies/pigs.

"Privacy" isn't a huge concern in terms of outside the place. Ideally I'm wanting younger women (18-25) with the full table shower, massage, etc. along with alone time with no rushing.

Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]
If your looking for that age it will be difficult to find now days. The young ones generally have no green card and a fake I.D. Most of the Spas hire the older ones because they are here legally and they don't get into as much trouble as the ones who hire the young illegal girls. Thats why there was a vast gap in youth and beauty between Yoshiko and the other spas.

[QUOTE=Jasmine Smith]The young ones generally have no green card and a fake I.D. Most of the Spas hire the older ones because they are here legally and they don't get into as much trouble as the ones who hire the young illegal girls. [/QUOTE]

I'm very pleased we didn't see the word "under-aged" in those articles. I think too much is made of age. Sure it's nice to get attention from a young hot hard-bodied girl, but some of the best times I've had have been with older girls.

Human Trafficking is the hot juicy sexy news story of the day. This one involves that plus prostitution and illegal immigration. B'ham Chief of Donut Eaters and the Sheriff's Department of Donut Eaters hit a trifecta with this one. Roper and Hale are probably jizzing all over themselves over this case. Meanwhile murderers, rapists, dope dealers, and thieves roam the streets.

[url]http://www.justice.gov/usao/aln/Docs/September%202010/SEPT%2029,%202010%20MASSAGE%20SPA.htm[/url]

[quote]MASSAGE SPA AND OPERATORS INDICTED FOR PROSTITUTION

BIRMINGHAM – A federal grand jury today indicted an eastern Birmingham massage parlor, its owner and an employee on charges related to the human trafficking of women working there as prostitutes, announced U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance in conjunction with the FBI, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and the Birmingham Police Department.

The indictment filed in U.S. District Court charges [blue][Name(s) deleted by Admin][/blue], owner of the Parkway East business; and [blue][Name(s) deleted by Admin][/blue], an employee, with three counts of enticing an individual to travel in interstate or foreign commerce to engage in prostitution; three counts of harboring an illegal alien for private financial gain; and three counts of failing to file a factual statement about an alien.

According to the Indictment, between Aug. 17, 2008, and Aug. 17, 2010, [blue][Name(s) deleted by Admin][/blue] persuaded, induced, enticed and coerced three adult women to travel in interstate and foreign commerce to engage in prostitution. In addition, the defendants harbored the three adult women, who were illegal aliens, in a place of prostitution and for private financial gain.

“Human trafficking for the purposes of prostitution is a deplorable crime that amounts to modern day slavery,” Vance said. “Those who prey on individuals in desperate financial or life circumstances for personal profit must be prosecuted.”

The case was investigated by the Birmingham Police Department, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the FBI.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Daniel J. Fortune is prosecuting the case.

Members of the public are reminded that an indictment contains only charges. A defendant is presumed innocent of the charges and it will be the government’s burden to prove a defendant’s guilt beyond a reasonable doubt at trial.[/quote][url]http://www.myfoxal.com/Global/story.asp?S=13247885[/url][quote]U.S. attorney calls spa a place for modern day slavery

By Ashley Nix

BIRMINGHAM, AL (WBRC). "Its maddening to see this happening in your own community and not have the power to do anything about it, " says Richard Rutledge when speaking of Yoshiko Spa in East Birmingham.

The spa was busted by the federal government for allegations of human trafficking and prostitution. The owner and another employee were indicted by a grand jury. Rutledge says it's disturbing. "I can't remember it not being here, under some name. It's been open for well over a decade, and that shouldn't be"

It's not open anymore. The indictment claims 3 women were persuaded, induced, enticed and coerced to travel in foreign commerce and engage in prostitution. "It's nothing more than modern day slavery, " said USA Attorney for the Northern District, Joyce White Vance. "These people are held against their will, forced to perform work that they wouldn't perform in this case it relates to sex. "

Vance says it's hard to believe human trafficking goes on in Birmingham. "People always thought we meant Russian mail-order brides, " said Vance. "The idea that folks exist like that in our neighborhood I think is unthinkable, but we have to confront it, we have to be aware. "

For people like Rutledge, and others who live in the area, it's a relief.

"Whoever is responsible from the federal standpoint I want to say thank you, " said Rutledge. "We've been concerned about this facility for a number of years. "[/quote]
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was edited to [u]remove the names of persons who were arrested[/u] from the report.

I want to say this carefully so no one gets the wrong idea here, but if you think about it, posting the names of people who have been arrested is [u]somewhat heartless[/u] and really just helping the police in their efforts to embarrass these people.

Since this website is all about assisting people in obtaining commercial sex services, we don't want to add to the problems of the unfortunate people who have been arrested by publishing their names and/or photographs.

[i]Thanks![/i][/blue]

Just want to say thanks for enforcing some civility. It was my post you censored, but I'm happy for it.

Also: another thanks to Jasmine for all her feedback.

[QUOTE=Superfast][url]http://www2.nbc13.com/news/2010/sep/30/birmingham-massage-parlor-indicted-prostitution-ca-ar-899197/[/url]

[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was edited to [u]remove the names of persons who were arrested[/u] from the report.

I want to say this carefully so no one gets the wrong idea here, but if you think about it, posting the names of people who have been arrested is [u]somewhat heartless[/u] and really just helping the police in their efforts to embarrass these people.

Since this website is all about assisting people in obtaining commercial sex services, we don't want to add to the problems of the unfortunate people who have been arrested by publishing their names and/or photographs.

[i]Thanks![/i][/blue][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hbergeron] Roper and Hale are probably jizzing all over themselves over this case. Meanwhile murderers, rapists, dope dealers, and thieves roam the streets.[/QUOTE]But your children are safe from those Korean devils tempting the flock into sin and damnation!!! Can't we all see why this is more important than catching the men who organize the dispersal of blow and heroin? Those ladies destroy so many more lives.

I know I'm new here, so if the sarcasm isn't dripping then just let me express how positively pissed I am that I missed out on the Y. I was RingTFF and getting all kinds of excited until the last two or three pages. Bummer. It really does sound like the new law had everything to do with it though.

I went by VIP on Monday around 3 and it was closed. I called 3 or 4 times before I left so I should have known better but I wasn't sure they answered their phone. Anyone who knows when they actually open please feel free to enlighten me. Thanks in advance.

Just because they label it "human trafficking" does not make it so.

Meanwhile, McNair remains free despite being a proven criminal.

Sounds like a salesman to me.

Imprison ALL salesmen !

I was recently on adultsearch looking up MPs and came across this one on there, I have not heard anyone mention this one but i was wondering if anyone has actually tried it out, it says that the staff is not asian too and I would love to hear of a report on this one to see if it TGTBT.

I was on adultsearch and came upon this MP, I havent heard anyone talk about this place, it says that the staff is white not asian, I would love to hear if anyone has ever tried this place as im a little apprehensive about it.

Dang. Looks like this could be a permanent change. I sure won't be visiting the spas anytime soon.

Combined with the shutdown of the CL adult section (and possibly the Backpage section next, as they're now getting the attention that was focused on CL) this is crummy news.


[QUOTE=Superfast]It looks like this was facilitated by a Alabama law that went into effect July 1. Things may be permanently changing around here.

[url]http://www.jackwilliams.org/williams-human-trafficking-bill-signed-into-law/[/url]

Human trafficking occurs when people are forced into involuntary servitude through violence or threats, often as prostitutes or laborers. Alabama has seen several high-profile cases of human trafficking in recent years. Now, with a state law making human trafficking a felony, state and local law enforcement officers — and not just the FBI — are able to investigate the crime in the state.

The new law brings Alabama in line with 44 other states that criminalize human trafficking. It goes into effect on July 1.

"This is the most comprehensive law against human trafficking in the entire nation. We went from having no law to having one that is considered a model for the rest of the nation," said Representative Jack Williams, a sponsor of the bill in the Legislature.[/QUOTE]

I found this MP on adultsearch.com has anyone ever been there, if so, how was it and is it a good place to go. It says they have a non asian staff.

When the feds decided to bust the AMPS in Kansas City, they hit everyone of them on the same day, at the same time. Just wondering why they only targeted one in Birmingham.

I'm new to the area, but how much are they paying the guy to fix the sewer problems? $500 per hr. Now that's a crime!

when you run the best-of-best off, when the high class providers won't even cross into the state. what's left? the desparate, nothing to lose, kind of quality that harbors the highest concentration of drugs, desease and crime. that's the results of re-election campaigns for one mr. hale. does riley and hale stand in the church pulpits and tell the old blue haired ladies that little fact? no. they'll tell'them our new human trafficing law goes after korean men who use a syringe to pump lethal drugs into the arm of some ****d korean girl.

not that it's a distribution chain feature like any other expanding business model.

when i heard the details of how the y was stormed, (the over done theatrics) i said that's just like a small town hype, who's dealing with a budget crunch and in a few months it'll be time for election campaign signs to go up.

i'm just ashamed of our state's small fry mentallity. a city like amsterdam holland with efficient and meaningful working programs, that make our leaders in alabama look like backward ass taliban.

it's embarrassing. oh but "we be protecting the flock" uh uh. what be doing is business as usual and results that ranks your alabama children's education, 47th worst out of the 50 states. year after year till now we speak in terms of decades.

that's your alabama governors, mayors, fbi, police cheifs and ag(s) at work.

and what have we taxpayers to show for it? one little mamasan with a human trafficing plackard hanging around her neck?

[QUOTE=Superfast]It looks like this was facilitated by a Alabama law that went into effect July 1.[/QUOTE]

That would be incorrect. Based on all the articles I've read, most have been reposted on this forum for you to read, this was a federal raid and federal charges. The federal government doesn't enforce or prosecute local laws. There hasn't been a single local charge against the ladies of the Y in any of the materials I've read. And according to the inditement the charges stem from a time period of Aug. 17, 2008, and Aug. 17, 2010, in which the law you stated only existed for 1 month out of a 2-year period. They cannot retroactively bring charges based on a law that just became enforceable.

This also means, sorry to disappoint, that the local District Attorney, Birmingham Chief of Police and the Jefferson County Sheriff didn't have anything to do with the charges. They may have provided man power for the arrest but that would be the limit of their involvement. My guess is they didn't even initiate the investigation. For there to have been a 2-year investigation I bet that they arrested someone else down the food chain somewhere else that lead them to the Y.

[b]So, just to reiterate, it wouldn't have mattered if all of our local officials said don't do this. The Feds did it. It doesn't reflect anything about this state or its officials, it's a reflection of the federal government.[/b] That doesn't mean that we don't have some jacked up laws in this state. Heck, I can buy a gun to kill an animal but a woman can't buy a vibrator, legally, to give herself pleasure. I'm just saying don't blame the locals on this one.

[QUOTE=Dick Bob]I found this MP on adultsearch.com has anyone ever been there, if so, how was it and is it a good place to go. It says they have a non asian staff.[/QUOTE]

Was it really necessary to post this three times?

Oink.

[QUOTE=Hobby Eric]Was it really necessary to post this three times?

Oink.[/QUOTE]I'm not a cop, I'm just new to the forum and didn't know how to post properly cause I didn't see my post when I first sent it in Eric, so I kept sending it, wen I came back to check it, thats when I realized it was posted multiple times.

Trust me I've been doing this longer than you if not longer, there's nothing cop about me. Mongering is my game. I've been to every spot in Birmingham, Yoshiko was the best hands down. I even fucked the madam the last time I was there a few months back!

[QUOTE=Make It Good]That would be incorrect. Based on all the articles I've read, most have been reposted on this forum for you to read, this was a federal raid and federal charges. The federal government doesn't enforce or prosecute local laws. There hasn't been a single local charge against the ladies of the Y in any of the materials I've read. And according to the inditement the charges stem from a time period of Aug. 17, 2008, and Aug. 17, 2010, in which the law you stated only existed for 1 month out of a 2-year period. They cannot retroactively bring charges based on a law that just became enforceable.

This also means, sorry to disappoint, that the local District Attorney, Birmingham Chief of Police and the Jefferson County Sheriff didn't have anything to do with the charges. They may have provided man power for the arrest but that would be the limit of their involvement. My guess is they didn't even initiate the investigation. For there to have been a 2-year investigation I bet that they arrested someone else down the food chain somewhere else that lead them to the Y.

[b]So, just to reiterate, it wouldn't have mattered if all of our local officials said don't do this. The Feds did it. It doesn't reflect anything about this state or its officials, it's a reflection of the federal government.[/b] That doesn't mean that we don't have some jacked up laws in this state. Heck, I can buy a gun to kill an animal but a woman can't buy a vibrator, legally, to give herself pleasure. I'm just saying don't blame the locals on this one.[/QUOTE]
But there are/were state charge against Ruby. BPD officer was listed on the State's witness list and the prelim was on 09/28/10. And one of the Shelby County ladies was listed the victim on the arrest warrant.

MedicalMal

[QUOTE=Medical Mal]But there are/were state charge against Ruby. BPD officer was listed on the State's witness list and the prelim was on 09/28/10. And one of the Shelby County ladies was listed the victim on the arrest warrant.

MedicalMal[/QUOTE]

I haven't seen that but I'll take you word for it. If so those are just collateral charges.

Hey guys, with all the heat on lately there has been almost no talk of the intended subject and all talk about getting busted for pursuing it. It is time for a real review.

I went to VIP last night, nervous as hell as it was my first AMP visit, and was immediately greeted at the door by a lady that I assumed to be mamasan. I won't say her name since it seems to have gotten others in trouble upon RingTFF. Anyway I tell her it's the first time and she says ok and takes me to a room where I get undressed. Then she explains door fee which I pay and go to TS. Detailed and relaxing. I'm pretty sure they kept it sanitary with chlorinated water. So after TS she brings me back to room and is very upfront about how we do things. Asks for extra price which I was.2 short due to my misinterpreting the forum but she said ok anyway. Then she got undressed and gave a very soft massage before asking me to turn over. She had a great attitude and was willing to play the part all the way until I was leaving out the door.

I've been positive up to here because I feel like she deserves her credit, but I have to say she was a lot older than what I had expected, and I also thought that the mamasan would bring me in and let me pick from the girls that were there. I kept asking her if she was the only girl working tonight and she said no but left it at that most of the time. Then when I asked if I could meet the other girls on my way out she said I wouldn't be allowed to see their faces. I had really wanted to go in there and pick but she explained that they go on rotation so that whoever you get when you go in is just who you get.

I told her I would come back but I probably will not seeing as how I could barely keep it hard for this leather bag of a lady and kept trying to visualize someone else so I could just get it over with and get out of there.

Did I do something wrong not to be able to pick or is that just the way VIP rolls? Anyone?

Any other details per request, like the lady's name, just ask and I'll tell you.

ThaDownlow

[QUOTE=Dick Bob;1072542] I even fucked the madam the last time I was there a few months back![/QUOTE]Now even I know you're lying. Nobody ever calls her "the madam. " And she doesn't participate.

J

[QUOTE=Onthedl66;1074593]Did I do something wrong not to be able to pick or is that just the way VIP rolls? Anyone [/QUOTE]I've never seen a lineup. I know people talk about it from time to time. I've always assumed that's reserved for well known regulars, or at least not an option for first time visitors.

I was happy with my time at VIP with M. She wasn't a young knock out, but wouldn't call her old or ugly either. She made up for looks in technique.

I wouldn't rule out returning to VIP, just make sure you say you've visited before and maybe try asking the mamasan for someone else.

[QUOTE=JimmieB; 1074737]Now even I know you're lying. Nobody ever calls her "the madam. " And she doesn't participate.

J[/QUOTE]Thanks for busting that guy J. I don't understand the purpose of lying and making up shit, I mean aren't you kinda admitting that you suck in a major way if you have to make up shit? I mean ESPECIALLY on here, your on a forum where no one knows you, so why lie?

[QUOTE=JimmieB; 1074737]Now even I know you're lying. Nobody ever calls her "the madam. " And she doesn't participate.

J[/QUOTE]He was probably talking about the older (looking) woman. You know the one that did the laundry, cleaned the toilets, picked up after the girls, and would fill in for Ruby when she was out running errands or taking a day off.

[QUOTE=Hbergeron;1075044]He was probably talking about the older (looking) woman. You know the one that did the laundry, cleaned the toilets, picked up after the girls, and would fill in for Ruby when she was out running errands or taking a day off.[/QUOTE]Yea your probably right LOL, she was the short, thick little asian who wore the tshirt and the blue sweat pants when I was there and would always pat me on the ass and walk in on me while I was getting my table shower, The second I was there and she let me in we hugged and I grabbed her on the ass and she led me into the first room that you see when you walk in and covered my eyes when the door would open where the girls would sleep or watever they do in there. But anyways, after I paid her the fee, she took me out that room and into one of the rooms down the hall and when we got in the room she gave me another hug and I grabbed her on the ass again as she was hugging me only when she was getting ready to leave I grabbed her hand and asked for another hug and told her how cute I thought she was and I slid my hand down her pants and asked her if I could be with her, she smiled and said no because she had to take care of the girls there, all the while my hand is down her pants and she saw how hard my dick was and grabbed it and smiled as she left the room to get the lineup of girls for me to choose from. And second of all just because I called her a madam doesn't mean a muthafucking thing and you are right although I did NOT fuck her I did get to have a little fun with her, don't get mad at me because it happened and I had the balls to try it, Like I said, this is what the fuck I do, I don't have to lie about a muthafucking thing.

[QUOTE=Dick Bob;1075095]Yea your probably right LOL, she was the short, thick little asian who wore the tshirt and the blue sweat pants when I was there and would always pat me on the ass and walk in on me while I was getting my table shower, The second I was there and she let me in we hugged and I grabbed her on the ass and she led me into the first room that you see when you walk in and covered my eyes when the door would open where the girls would sleep or watever they do in there. But anyways, after I paid her the fee, she took me out that room and into one of the rooms down the hall and when we got in the room she gave me another hug and I grabbed her on the ass again as she was hugging me only when she was getting ready to leave I grabbed her hand and asked for another hug and told her how cute I thought she was and I slid my hand down her pants and asked her if I could be with her, she smiled and said no because she had to take care of the girls there, all the while my hand is down her pants and she saw how hard my dick was and grabbed it and smiled as she left the room to get the lineup of girls for me to choose from. And second of all just because I called her a madam doesn't mean a muthafucking thing and you are right although I did NOT fuck her I did get to have a little fun with her, don't get mad at me because it happened and I had the balls to try it, Like I said, this is what the fuck I do, I don't have to lie about a muthafucking thing.[/QUOTE]Sir I am offended at your use of language. Not the "muthafucking" stuff or obsenity-laced paragraph but because you talk like a 16 year old playing Halo.

[QUOTE=Edward Nigma;1075337]Sir I am offended at your use of language. Not the "muthafucking" stuff or obsenity-laced paragraph but because you talk like a 16 year old playing Halo.[/QUOTE]My apologies to anyone whom I offended with my profanity, it was only meant for the ones who wanted to call me all kinds of liars and cops, when they don't know the "real buisness" of what I do and how I do it. Again my apologies sir.

[QUOTE=Edward Nigma;1075337]Sir I am offended at your use of language. Not the "muthafucking" stuff or obsenity-laced paragraph but because you talk like a 16 year old playing Halo.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I think it's time call "bullshit" here too. Besides the inaccurate description, it reads like someone has been reading too many Penthouse Letters.

[QUOTE=Superfast; 1074783]I've never seen a lineup. I know people talk about it from time to time. I've always assumed that's reserved for well known regulars, or at least not an option for first time visitors.

I was happy with my time at VIP with M. She wasn't a young knock out, but wouldn't call her old or ugly either. She made up for looks in technique.

I wouldn't rule out returning to VIP, just make sure you say you've visited before and maybe try asking the mamasan for someone else. [/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I tried asking but got a quizzical look when I asked if she was mamasan. Do you literally say 'mamasan' or should I ask for the lady of the house or something? I know this kind of question is hilarious to y'all. But yeah I'll try and ask next time, got to remember you've got the power until you hand over the dough. Any ideas on the age range available? The lady I saw seemed to be in her late 30s on into her 40s maybe. You never know how rough a life it's been but the asian girls usually don't wear out that fast so I think it's a good estimate.

[QUOTE=Onthedl66;1075492]Thanks for the info. I tried asking but got a quizzical look when I asked if she was mamasan. Do you literally say 'mamasan' or should I ask for the lady of the house or something? I know this kind of question is hilarious to y'all. But yeah I'll try and ask next time, got to remember you've got the power until you hand over the dough. Any ideas on the age range available? The lady I saw seemed to be in her late 30s on into her 40s maybe. You never know how rough a life it's been but the asian girls usually don't wear out that fast so I think it's a good estimate.[/QUOTE]Partner, if your talking late 30s or 40s your getting about what they offer. I mean if your looking at the ads on BP those chicks are pics taking from the net none of them are here. The only one with young thin chixx was Y and their all gone, B has had a few young ones but I think their attitude is so screwed up over there I don't know if I were to risk it. YMMV

[QUOTE=Yakuzi;1075928]Partner, if your talking late 30s or 40s your getting about what they offer. I mean if your looking at the ads on BP those chicks are pics taking from the net none of them are here. The only one with young thin chixx was Y and their all gone, B has had a few young ones but I think their attitude is so screwed up over there I don't know if I were to risk it. YMMV[/QUOTE]Hey 66,

I was interested in a tug myself. I went to check them out and let you know you were just getting what they had to offer and let me tell you. You probably shouldn't listen to me. Stopped at VIP and the broad who answered the door was dressed to give a massage and and I asked was she the masseuse and she answered yes so I TOOK OFF! She could have passed for 60! She held her mouth kinda of funny and I was guessing it was possible she might have forgotten her dentures when she came to the door, anywho, I took off and went to Bali against my better judgment hoping maybe the chubby huge titty girl would be there and let tell you the broad that came in there was almost as old as the mamasan. Without the Y we are doomed! I wonder if they all sent away the good talent in case they got raided?

[QUOTE=Yakuzi; 1076303]Hey 66,

I was interested in a tug myself. I went to check them out and let you know you were just getting what they had to offer and let me tell you. You probably shouldn't listen to me. Stopped at VIP and the broad who answered the door was dressed to give a massage and and I asked was she the masseuse and she answered yes so I TOOK OFF! She could have passed for 60! She held her mouth kinda of funny and I was guessing it was possible she might have forgotten her dentures when she came to the door, anywho, I took off and went to Bali against my better judgment hoping maybe the chubby huge titty girl would be there and let tell you the broad that came in there was almost as old as the mamasan. Without the Y we are doomed! I wonder if they all sent away the good talent in case they got raided? [/QUOTE]Exactly! I was trying to be generous with the age. We are talking asian girls here. You have to be pretty damned old to look old if you're an asian girl.

[QUOTE=Onthedl66;1077182]Exactly! I was trying to be generous with the age. We are talking asian girls here. You have to be pretty damned old to look old if you're an asian girl.[/QUOTE]VIP used to be a good place to go but now there is a different Mama and it is not as friendly as it was. My last and final trip there I was met by a person I also assumed was the Mama who took me to a room. Took the house fee and then to my horror said she'd be right back. Since I was out the cash anyway I rolled with it. After the table shower she began the massage. This girl looked terrible. A VERY rough 50 would be kind. Looked like she had a serious crack habit to boot. I just waited hoping the hour would end and since I gave her no cue she finally asked me what I wanted. Got out as cheap as I could with a HJ and I will never go back