[QUOTE=ThirdTime;7111232]Video verification face to face. Deal breaker for me.
3 x.[/QUOTE]I didn't realize that I posted that thread in the wrong room. Wrong city.
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[QUOTE=ThirdTime;7111232]Video verification face to face. Deal breaker for me.
3 x.[/QUOTE]I didn't realize that I posted that thread in the wrong room. Wrong city.
[QUOTE=StarFighter01;7112256]I didn't realize that I posted that thread in the wrong room. Wrong city.[/QUOTE]Does anyone have any info on this one? She asks for a lot before meeting. Dick pic and face pic. For some reason, they think that a dick pic means there is no way you could be a cop. Definitely has a great body. But is she real. Is she adventurous or is she just a wet mop in bed. All business or is there any adventure.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/the-best-/500618274983[/URL]
309-770-7944.
[QUOTE=StarFighter01;7115604]Does anyone have any info on this one? She asks for a lot before meeting. Dick pic and face pic. For some reason, they think that a dick pic means there is no way you could be a cop. Definitely has a great body. But is she real. Is she adventurous or is she just a wet mop in bed. All business or is there any adventure.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/the-best-/500618274983[/URL]
309-770-7944.[/QUOTE]It can also be an attempt to extort you as well.
I'll never use a provider who asks for either.
[QUOTE=DavidStrong69;7116186]It can also be an attempt to extort you as well.
I'll never use a provider who asks for either.[/QUOTE]
People on here just amaze me anymore
Has anyone seen this girl?
[URL]https://callescort.org/312-674-1035[/URL]
She owns a cleaning service, but posts constantly. Often outcall only. When she's incall, it's often at weird hours, like 1 AM. I mean, who gets a room starting at 1 AM?
9 out of 10 times she will make the appointment then either cancel, no show, or stop responding. Sometimes she'll make a bad excuse and offer to reschedule, and then no show / not respond for that as well. Her behavior is random and she will most certainly waste your time.
Don't say you weren't warned!
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/new--lower-rates--satisfaction/979162110081[/URL]
Thoughts?
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/wet--ready--come-see-a-real-gi/329040015080[/URL]
[QUOTE=CardFanDave;7134126]Thoughts?
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/wet--ready--come-see-a-real-gi/329040015080[/URL][/QUOTE]Chastity sent me on a wild goose chase when I tried to see her. This was a couple of years ago. She had me driving through trailer courts and several places in north Normal. She looked good--same pics as in the ad now. After wasting the better part of an hour, I swore off on her. YMMV. Please be careful.
[QUOTE=CardFanDave;7134126]Thoughts?
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/wet--ready--come-see-a-real-gi/329040015080[/URL][/QUOTE]Post #414 says the pictures she uses aren't her.
The photos of this girl are all over the web!
[QUOTE=HenchMan;7134890]Post #414 says the pictures she uses aren't her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=CardFanDave;7134126]Thoughts?
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/wet--ready--come-see-a-real-gi/329040015080[/URL][/QUOTE]The one time I inquired she was very rude and nasty. With no provocation except to ask if she had incall. I have since heard that she is completely nuts and that her pics are of someone else. So many red flags on this one. Maybe consider someone else? Plenty of fish in the ocean.
3 x.
[QUOTE=ThirdTime;7136389]The one time I inquired she was very rude and nasty. With no provocation except to ask if she had incall. I have since heard that she is completely nuts and that her pics are of someone else. So many red flags on this one. Maybe consider someone else? Plenty of fish in the ocean.
3 x.[/QUOTE]I grew up with her k-12. The pics are her but she's been using them since 2016 so 8 years and a prison sentence ago. One of her ex boyfriends tried to set up a friend of mine around 2016-2017 for a robbery. Big fight broke out in the hallway of the super 8 off landmark. They both went down for it. Its in the pantagraph. She was back in business for a while at motel x on and. Main in normal but a complete train wreck. Shame too, as I often got BBFS as I'd know her so long. Steer clear.
Curious if anyone has seen these two? Seems nice via text, but rate quoted (180 hr) just seems too reasonable for a hot 20 something.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/welcome-hobbyists/130151487665[/URL]
Going to be out that way and tempted to give it a shot idk.
[QUOTE=BoredInil;7157189]Curious if anyone has seen these two? Seems nice via text, but rate quoted (180 hr) just seems too reasonable for a hot 20 something.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/welcome-hobbyists/130151487665[/URL]
Going to be out that way and tempted to give it a shot idk.[/QUOTE]I came to this thread just to see if anyone has seen this girl. 180 hh seems too good to be true, hot young girl reasonable price.
Hope I'm wrong, I would love to hear some good news on her.
[QUOTE=BoredInil;7157189]Curious if anyone has seen these two? Seems nice via text, but rate quoted (180 hr) just seems too reasonable for a hot 20 something.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/welcome-hobbyists/130151487665[/URL]
Going to be out that way and tempted to give it a shot idk.[/QUOTE]It's a northern Illinois area code and no hits on Google. Hard to tell what or who will be on the other side of the door.
The only issue is what is listed as extras for activities she lists.
TOFTT and report back.
3 x.
[QUOTE=PeoriaJ;7157752]I came to this thread just to see if anyone has seen this girl. 180 hh seems too good to be true, hot young girl reasonable price.
Hope I'm wrong, I would love to hear some good news on her.[/QUOTE]Gorgeous faces. Either be in the profession, or not.
[QUOTE=BoredInil;7157189]Curious if anyone has seen these two? Seems nice via text, but rate quoted (180 hr) just seems too reasonable for a hot 20 something.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/welcome-hobbyists/130151487665[/URL]
Going to be out that way and tempted to give it a shot idk.[/QUOTE]180 with that menu (MSOG, Greek)! And that hot! This can't be for real!
[QUOTE=BoredInil;7157189]Curious if anyone has seen these two? Seems nice via text, but rate quoted (180 hr) just seems too reasonable for a hot 20 something.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/welcome-hobbyists/130151487665[/URL]
Going to be out that way and tempted to give it a shot idk.[/QUOTE]The northern Illinois area code and the age given (if true) could mean one or both of them are college students not from the area. The surprisingly low donation amount could be due to their inexperience in this activity. Or it's a fishing expedition to try and trap guys like me looking for college age girls in the area. It is curious to me that they used the term hobbyist. You don't see that word used much on this board.
[QUOTE=HenchMan;7158293]The northern Illinois area code and the age given (if true) could mean one or both of them are college students not from the area. The surprisingly low donation amount could be due to their inexperience in this activity. Or it's a fishing expedition to try and trap guys like me looking for college age girls in the area. It is curious to me that they used the term hobbyist. You don't see that word used much on this board.[/QUOTE]Since there are a couple of these ads popping up at the same time with similar wording and donations, my first, gut reaction is fake scammers. I'll wait to see if someone reports.
3 x.
[QUOTE=Pete309;7125979]Has anyone seen this girl?
[URL]https://callescort.org/312-674-1035[/URL][/QUOTE]Reached out to her in past, just got run around and request to buy content, pretty sure it is just an agency trying to sell old content. No intention of meeting IRL, so dead end.
Her socials have not been updated in forever, even the description in call escort is low effort, "blue eyes" LOL.
Just figured I would save you all some time.
If you think it's too good to be true, you're probably right.
[URL]https://pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-courts/isp-sting-operation-leads-to-the-arrests-of-six-men-accused-of-traveling-to-meet-minors-to-engage-in-sexual-acts-david-teran-nathan-hansen-steve-adma-michael-morris-khalid-farah-larry-miller/article_32f1e900-cf7c-11ef-8ab7-936c8cd285b8.html[/URL]
[QUOTE=HenchMan;7159000]If you think it's too good to be true, you're probably right.
[URL]https://pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-courts/isp-sting-operation-leads-to-the-arrests-of-six-men-accused-of-traveling-to-meet-minors-to-engage-in-sexual-acts-david-teran-nathan-hansen-steve-adma-michael-morris-khalid-farah-larry-miller/article_32f1e900-cf7c-11ef-8ab7-936c8cd285b8.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Anyone who knows the girl is underage and still meets with her deserves to be arrested. JMHO.
3 X.
[QUOTE=HenchMan;7159000]If you think it's too good to be true, you're probably right.
[URL]https://pantagraph.com/news/local/crime-courts/isp-sting-operation-leads-to-the-arrests-of-six-men-accused-of-traveling-to-meet-minors-to-engage-in-sexual-acts-david-teran-nathan-hansen-steve-adma-michael-morris-khalid-farah-larry-miller/article_32f1e900-cf7c-11ef-8ab7-936c8cd285b8.html[/URL][/QUOTE]Behind a paywall but was able to copy and paste it before it walled.
BLOOMINGTON — An Illinois State Police investigation has led to six arrests of men accused of traveling to meet minors in McLean County to engage in sexual acts.
Nathan J. Hansen, 45, and David B. Teran, 25, both of Bloomington, appeared in court Thursday afternoon for initial appearances in custody before Judge Scott Black.
On Friday afternoon, four defendants appeared in custody before Judge J. Brian Goldrick:
Steve Adma, 21, who currently lives in Galesburg for work but is from Haiti.
Michael A. Morris, 30, of Forest City.
Khalid M. Farah, 21, of Arlington Heights.
And Larry M. Miller, 60, of Tolono.
They are charged in six separate, unrelated cases under similar circumstances, prosecutors said.
Each defendant is charged with with traveling to meet a minor, a Class 3 felony; two counts of indecent solicitation, one charged as a Class 3 felony, and one charged as a Class 4 felony; solicitation to meet a child, a Class 4 felony; and grooming, a Class 4 felony.
Hansen is additionally charged with unlawful possession of a controlled substance, a Class 4 felony.
Assistant State's Attorney Daniel Guido filed a petition to detain Hansen, Teran and Adma on the grounds of dangerousness at hearings Thursday and Friday, while First Assistant State's Attorney Brad Rigdon filed a petition to detain Morris, Farah and Miller for dangerousness Friday.
On Jan. 8, an ISP special agent working undercover, posted online advertisements for sexual services on a website, according to probable cause statements in each case. Three postings listed three available women who were 20,22 and 19 years old, with a phone number.
Hansen texted the number for the 20-year-old; Teran texted the 22-year-old; Adma contacted the 19-year-old; Morris contacted both the 19-year-old and the 22-year-old; Farah contacted the 19-year-old; and Miller contacted all three.
All six defendants inquired about the rates for specific sexual services, and in each case, the undercover officer communicated with them, telling them she was actually 16, the probable cause statements stated.
At 11:48 am Jan. 8, Hansen arrived at a hotel to meet up with and engage in sexual acts with the "minor" girl.
He went into the hotel room, where the officer again told him she was 16. Hansen gave her the agreed upon $170 to engage in sexual acts, and she repeated that she was 16, according to the probable cause statement.
ISP officers then entered, searched the room and took the defendant into custody. During the search, an officer found a small plastic container in Hansen's shirt pocket.
The container had nine pills inside, which were confirmed to contain oxycodone.
Teran made contact with the "22-year-old" at 12:21 pm And told her he could meet up before 2 pm.
Initially, when the undercover officer told Teran she was 16, he said he would not meet up with her because of her age, noting the advertisement said she was 22.
Teran arranged to meet with the "minor" anyways. At 2:03 pm, the defendant arrived at a hotel to meet her, the probable cause statement said.
Inside the hotel room, the undercover officer again told Teran she was 16. Teran proceeded to give the officer the agreed amount of $80 in exchange for sexual acts, after which he began to remove his clothes before ISP entered and took him into custody.
According to the probable cause statement, Teran agreed to speak with officers. He told them he knew he had come to the hotel to meet with a 16-year-old girl, and he acknowledged had paid her and begun to take off his clothes. He told the officers he had traveled to the agreed location with two children under age 5, who were left in his car.
Adma made contact with the undercover officer about 7:27 pm Jan. 8, thinking she was a 19-year-old.
Over text, the officer told the defendant she was actually 16, about 8:03 pm Adma continued to arrange plans to meet the defendant and arrived at the agreed upon hotel around 8:30 pm.
He paid the undercover officer $100 in exchange for sexual acts, believing she was a 16-year-old, Guido said in court Friday.
Adma agreed to speak with officers, using a translator to assist. Adma told police he knew the girl he intended to meet was 16 and went to perform sexual acts with her, Guido said.
Adma's arrival to the hotel was captured on camera, the prosecutor added.
A translator assisted Adma during Friday's hearing.
On Jan. 9, Morris contacted two separate listings; one for a 19-year-old and another for a 22-year-old. He began talking to the younger woman at 11:50 am.
He later texted both girls, asking them to meet up with him together to engage in sexual acts with him. The two undercover officers told the defendant they were 16, the probable cause statement said.
Morris made multiple statements that he was hesitant to come, worried it was a setup.
"It's like the show trying to catch a predator," Morris texted one of the girls.
He still proceeded to the hotel room and met with the two undercover officers, Rigdon said reading the probable cause statement Friday.
Morris spoke to police after he was arrested and said he had traveled to Bloomington from his home an hour away to meet with two 16-year-old girls with the intention to have sex with them for $200, Rigdon said.
Farah reached out to an undercover officer shown in the ad as a 19 year-old at 1:51 am Jan. 9. The undercover officer told Farah she was 16-year-old when she responded to Farah at approximately 10:11 am.
Then, Farah continued to make arrangements to meet with her, arriving at the agreed-upon location of a hotel at 11:58 am.
Rigdon said the defendant showed "no hesitation" after he learned the girl was 16.
Farah also asked the presumed 16-year-old if she smoked and offered to bring her a cannabis joint, the prosecutor said.
The undercover officer again told Farah she was 16 upon his arrival to the hotel room. Farah paid the officer the agreed upon $160 for sexual acts, Rigdon said.
After his arrest, Farah told officers he had engaged with the girl after he saw an advertisement on Twitch, an online livestreaming platform. He acknowledged he continued to talk to her after she revealed she was 16, and he arranged to meet with her to engage in sexual acts.
Miller contacted the undercover ISP sources on Jan. 8 and 9. He texted the women, who revealed to him they were all 16. However, Miller continued to speak to the undercover officers.
He asked whether the girls were undercover cops but then proceeded to make plans to meet up with them over the course of two days.
On Jan. 9, Miller met at the hotel room at approximately 3:00 pm He agreed to give two girls $200 to have sex with both girls, who he believed were 16.
Upon his arrest, Miller told police he had intended to meet up with the two girls who he thought were 16 to engage in sexual acts with them. He also told police he had used online advertisements and websites to meet with prostitutes two previous times.
In a jail phone call with his wife, Miller said he "wasn't thinking. " She asked "How many times were you not thinking?" and Miller told her he didn't want to answer that question, Rigdon said in court.
Detention, release hearings.
Judge Black denied the state's petition to detain Hansen and Teran on Thursday, releasing both defendants with mandatory release conditions, as well as the discretionary conditions to not have contact with anyone under the age of 18.
They were additionally ordered to report to pretrial services for monitoring.
Assistant Public Defender Matthew Koetters represented Hansen and Teran at their hearings. Assistant Public Defender Mackenzie Frizzell represented Adma, Farah and Miller during Friday's proceedings. Assistant Public Defender Jacob Narin represented Morris.
During Friday's hearings, Frizzell and Narin argued since two defendants were released under similar circumstances the day prior, Adma, Morris, Miller and Farah should be released, too. Both attorneys also noted the defendants' jobs, education and families as reason to release them.
Judge Goldrick ruled to release Adma, Farah and Miller, ordering them each to report to pretrial monitoring and not to have any contact with minors.
However, Goldrick decided to grant the state's petition to detain Morris, citing his criminal history and contact with multiple people he believed to be minors in making his decision. Morris was also ordered no contact with anyone under the age of 18.
Hansen and Teran are scheduled for arraignments at 9 am Jan. 24.
Adma, Morris, Farah and Miller are scheduled for arraignments at 9 am Jan. 31.
A photo of Miller was not immediately available Friday afternoon.
After Friday's hearings, McLean County State's Attorney Erika Reynolds told The Pantagraph, "While I would love to comment about the appropriateness of releasing people accused of sexual crimes against kids, I am ethically prohibited from doing so, pursuant to the Rules of Professional Conduct. ".
[QUOTE=ThirdTime;7159050]Anyone who knows the girl is underage and still meets with her deserves to be arrested. JMHO.
3 X.[/QUOTE]This is my exact sentiment.
If you knowingly agree to meet a minor you deserve to be caught, punished, and imprisoned.
Rule #1 in this hobby. Minors are 100% off limits. Knowingly engaging with a minor is reprehensible. Pedophiles are the scum of the earth.
[QUOTE=Percius917;7160769]This is my exact sentiment.
If you knowingly agree to meet a minor you deserve to be caught, punished, and imprisoned.
Rule #1 in this hobby. Minors are 100% off limits. Knowingly engaging with a minor is reprehensible. Pedophiles are the scum of the earth.[/QUOTE]These fucks won't do good in prison. Bubba will make them his B****.
[QUOTE=Trippitt;7161600]These fucks won't do good in prison. Bubba will make them his B****.[/QUOTE]Most of these perps are protected by the jails for obvious liability reasons. They will probably spend a lot of time in solitary.
Just wondering if anyone has seen this lady?
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/latin/strawberry-swirl---read-my-adp/807127525865[/URL]
She says she is 106 lbs. , petite, and has small / petite breasts. The pic in her ad show someone who has enormous tits, and is at least 140 lbs. Which one is correct?
I'm not interested in her really. Limited services and a hefty price tag. Just curious why the conflicting information. Maybe just a lazy scammer?
3 x.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/exotic/miss-discreet-/486654093416[/URL]
I've texted a couple times but she never replied, so no idea. She's got different phone numbers too depending on if you go by what the ad says or if you click through the show phone number link 🤷 I'm definitely more interested in what's depicted in the pictures than the description though.
[QUOTE=ThirdTime;7180900]She says she is 106 lbs. , petite, and has small / petite breasts. The pic in her ad show someone who has enormous tits, and is at least 140 lbs. Which one is correct?
I'm not interested in her really. Limited services and a hefty price tag. Just curious why the conflicting information. Maybe just a lazy scammer?
3 x.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/exotic/miss-discreet-/486654093416[/URL][/QUOTE]
This provider apparently travels a lot and is in B-and occasionally.
Anyone have any experience with her?
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/february-13-14th-only-upscalet/083143875454[/URL]
[QUOTE=CardFanDave;7184681]This provider apparently travels a lot and is in B-and occasionally.
Anyone have any experience with her?
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/february-13-14th-only-upscalet/083143875454[/URL][/QUOTE]I've seen Deb several times. She is very professional & I like her. She is nice, aged well (but isn't 30 yrs old either), BBBJ, will use female condom if you prefer, MSOG, DFK, nice HJ too.
[QUOTE=CardFanDave;7184681]This provider apparently travels a lot and is in B-and occasionally.
Anyone have any experience with her?
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/february-13-14th-only-upscalet/083143875454[/URL][/QUOTE]She will require your real name, address, phone, email, place of employment, and, perhaps, drivers license. No matter how professional, no matter the looks, and no matter the skill. I would never provide any of that. But many guys like her. So. Roll the dice if you like.
3 x.
Hey gents, I was in town for work recently. I was able to see this girl for a qv. Just a BBBJ in my car. Communication was pretty easy. Picked her up from her house by Miller Park. Drove around to find a quiet spot. BBBJ was a 3/10. No CIM. Got the job done. Had a nice little ass to grab onto. I would only see her if I can't line anything else up in town. A mouth is still a mouth to me but I'm sure there are better options. Just couldn't line anything up with my schedule other than her.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/fun-size-/903748067595[/URL]
S9.
[QUOTE=SupFude9;7186028]Hey gents, I was in town for work recently. I was able to see this girl for a qv. Just a BBBJ in my car. Communication was pretty easy. Picked her up from her house by Miller Park. Drove around to find a quiet spot. BBBJ was a 3/10. No CIM. Got the job done. Had a nice little ass to grab onto. I would only see her if I can't line anything else up in town. A mouth is still a mouth to me but I'm sure there are better options. Just couldn't line anything up with my schedule other than her.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/fun-size-/903748067595[/URL]
S9.[/QUOTE]You said you would only see her if you couldn't line anything else up. Why is that? Can you elaborate a bit? Was she just ugly as sin? Did she smell bad? Did she have all her teeth? I get that the BJ was pretty lackluster, but is that the only reason you would put her last on your list? She is built perfectly for my taste. I'm wondering why such a negative review. What was her price and did she say what was on the menu?
[QUOTE=StarFighter01;7186047]You said you would only see her if you couldn't line anything else up. Why is that? Can you elaborate a bit? Was she just ugly as sin? Did she smell bad? Did she have all her teeth? I get that the BJ was pretty lackluster, but is that the only reason you would put her last on your list? She is built perfectly for my taste. I'm wondering why such a negative review. What was her price and did she say what was on the menu?[/QUOTE]She was overall a cute girl. Didn't smell bad for me. I only wanted a BBBJ so I didn't ask what else was on the menu. She was easy to work with but just gave a crappy BBBJ compared to what I have had in the past. 120 was my donation which was too much for the quality of service. I saw her for 10 minutes so I don't have a whole lot of details tbh. She is legit so if she's your type, take her for a spin and see how it goes.
S9.
[QUOTE=SupFude9;7186028]Hey gents, I was in town for work recently. I was able to see this girl for a qv. Just a BBBJ in my car. Communication was pretty easy. Picked her up from her house by Miller Park. Drove around to find a quiet spot. BBBJ was a 3/10. No CIM. Got the job done. Had a nice little ass to grab onto. I would only see her if I can't line anything else up in town. A mouth is still a mouth to me but I'm sure there are better options. Just couldn't line anything up with my schedule other than her.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_w/fun-size-/903748067595[/URL].[/QUOTE]150 for a qv BBJ no CIM in your car? Thanks for the report. Seems a bit speedy to me, but it's good to know she's real.
3 x.
I thought I posted this, but it didn't show up. Second try.
Be careful with this one. She always posts that she is in the town for a couple of hours, it's always outcall, and if by some chance it is incall, she is not incall until you make an appointment with her and prepay. She is never in a room before hand.
One of our members here reported he was scammed out of 350 a couple of months back.
If you do meet with her, post back. There are a couple of reviews that describe her as having odd manmades, but I haven't seen many posts about her.
Proceed with caution.
3 x.
[URL]https://skipthegames.com/posts/bloomington-il/female-escorts/caucasian_e/outcalls-bloomington/576648746111[/URL]
[QUOTE=ThirdTime;7186341]150 for a qv BBJ no CIM in your car? Thanks for the report. Seems a bit speedy to me, but it's good to know she's real.
3 x.[/QUOTE]She not even offering the bbj anymore.
[QUOTE=LosersLurgy;7189019]She not even offering the bbj anymore.[/QUOTE]Sounds like a major rip off to me.
3 x.
[QUOTE=ThirdTime;7185121]She will require your real name, address, phone, email, place of employment, and, perhaps, drivers license. No matter how professional, no matter the looks, and no matter the skill. I would never provide any of that. But many guys like her. So. Roll the dice if you like.
3 x.[/QUOTE]Been so long since I first saw Deb I don't remember, but I never gave any of that info and never would.