Rants and Stupid shit in Dayton

I've been told there are some who are threatening Sarah1983 and her partner Destiny with bad reviews if they don't drop their rates. BULLSHIT. Stop trying to bully the women here. Negotiate all you want, but DO NOT use this board and its power to sway people to take money away from them.

As a long time senior you know I never lie, will always share to those who've earned the right, and always treat the ladies with respect. It has allowed me to enjoy their company while rarely being dissapointed or taken advantage of.

Sarah has ALWAYS been a true provider and Destiny while young and maybe a bit sharp tongued has not tried anything bad or made me feel cheated or lied to. My eyes are open and I'm very very careful so I kow all the tricks. STOP abusing them. Here are two offering you paradise for a very reasonable rate and someone here is runing that for us.

So, if I find out who you are, be prepared, I will be glad to share my displeasure.

[QUOTE]In regards to our issues, I should have just kept that between her and I and not brought it to the board, honestly things spiraled up and went a direction I did not intend them to go...[/QUOTE]Glad the issue was resolved for them.

But on a more constructive note, sharing info and experiences is the whole point of having this forum.

Ideally we all stay objective and fair, but the experience is personal to both the hobbyist and the SP, and therefore YMMV. We all have different tastes and what works for one may not for another. And just because I had a good experience a month ago, you could still get ripped off today -- both are equally important information that should be shared! Everyone should also know better to take all intel with a grain of salt and be smart about it.

It's nice a SP is on the forum for open discussions, and it's nice people can work things out in public. But that shouldn't be any reason to deter anyone from sharing their experience.

Provide as much objective information as you can, share your subjective experience in a fair way. Be safe.

[QUOTE=NothingToDo;3302360]Glad the issue was resolved for them.

But on a more constructive note, sharing info and experiences is the whole point of having this forum.

Ideally we all stay objective and fair, but the experience is personal to both the hobbyist and the SP, and therefore YMMV. We all have different tastes and what works for one may not for another. And just because I had a good experience a month ago, you could still get ripped off today -- both are equally important information that should be shared! Everyone should also know better to take all intel with a grain of salt and be smart about it.

It's nice a SP is on the forum for open discussions, and it's nice people can work things out in public. But that shouldn't be any reason to deter anyone from sharing their experience.

Provide as much objective information as you can, share your subjective experience in a fair way. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Great point.

Generally speaking, guys retract their negative comments because the provider is offering him a great deal behind the scene. It happens fairly often. It compromises the integrity of intel on the board, on her. A provider with all white knights, all the time. We have seen it before right?

[QUOTE=Goodson2000;3302378]Great point.

Generally speaking, guys retract their negative comments because the provider is offering him a great deal behind the scene. It happens fairly often. It compromises the integrity of intel on the board, on her. A provider with all white knights, all the time. We have seen it before right?[/QUOTE]You make one negative comment and you are FLOODED with White Knight PMs trying to hammer you! Even a lot of reviews are classic white knight, she is sooo wonderful, she is my sunshine, she is my world, I wish I could marry her.

[QUOTE=Goodson2000;3302378]Great point.

Generally speaking, guys retract their negative comments because the provider is offering him a great deal behind the scene. It happens fairly often. It compromises the integrity of intel on the board, on her. A provider with all white knights, all the time. We have seen it before right?[/QUOTE]In this particular case I suspect she invited him over, tied him up, and forced him to submit! Just Sayin' (all in jest).

[QUOTE=NdayGuy;3302471]In this particular case I suspect she invited him over, tied him up, and forced him to submit! Just Sayin' (all in jest).[/QUOTE]Hey guys, I'm fairly new to this scene but have been around enough to know how the game is played. I can assure you that whatever I post in the forum is accurate and true to the best of my knowledge and if I do say something out of line or misrepresent something I will be the first to correct it, case in point Lady J. I want the info I read from other posters to be accurate without subjective bias as much as you do. I don't mind the fun in jest but trust me, I'm not being manipulated.

[QUOTE=Goodson2000;3302378]Great point.

Generally speaking, guys retract their negative comments because the provider is offering him a great deal behind the scene. It happens fairly often. It compromises the integrity of intel on the board, on her. A provider with all white knights, all the time. We have seen it before right?[/QUOTE]No I did not offer him a good deal or any kind of deal at all. We both realize where we screwed up and he contacted me after he made that post. I respected the fact that he was willing to admit his wrong and we're going to start over. It's that simple. I don't know why you guys have to read more into things than there are. Gives you something to gossip about I guess. Just like a bunch of old ladies, sitting around gossiping with nothing better to do. Well I have better things to do so I'm out.

[QUOTE=MTownUtr;3302616]No I did not offer him a good deal or any kind of deal at all. We both realize where we screwed up and he contacted me after he made that post. I respected the fact that he was willing to admit his wrong and we're going to start over. It's that simple. I don't know why you guys have to read more into things than there are. Gives you something to gossip about I guess. Just like a bunch of old ladies, sitting around gossiping with nothing better to do. Well I have better things to do so I'm out.[/QUOTE]No, we were not arguing about you per se in the Stupid Shit section. We were talking about how some ultra-nice people worry about reporting any negative experience on this forum.

A misunderstanding, a miscommunication, or a missed appointment, all says something about the provider and the hobbyist. There are many other hobbyists that will report their experiences as well. People can be the judge.
Personally I am glad to see you and Wolverine working things out in a civilized way. That should be applauded.

That said, maybe I should change my handle to NothingBetterToDo.

Have fun and be safe!

[QUOTE=Dcloser6;3301730]I've been told there are some who are threatening Sarah1983 and her partner Destiny with bad reviews if they don't drop their rates. BULLSHIT. Stop trying to bully the women here. Negotiate all you want, but DO NOT use this board and its power to sway people to take money away from them.

As a long time senior you know I never lie, will always share to those who've earned the right, and always treat the ladies with respect. It has allowed me to enjoy their company while rarely being dissapointed or taken advantage of.

Sarah has ALWAYS been a true provider and Destiny while young and maybe a bit sharp tongued has not tried anything bad or made me feel cheated or lied to. My eyes are open and I'm very very careful so I kow all the tricks. STOP abusing them. Here are two offering you paradise for a very reasonable rate and someone here is runing that for us.

So, if I find out who you are, be prepared, I will be glad to share my displeasure.[/QUOTE]While I pass on high prices, I will not threaten someone with a bad review because of their prices.

I am not saying Sarah or her friend have high prices. I have yet to go visit them but they are on my list of local providers to visit and experience for myself. Threatening someone with a bad review because you don't like the freight is just dumb and proves that the people doing that suffer from Cranial Rectal Inversion. Very similar to those who get upset because the ladies don't want to visit with people of different races. It's their body and their choice who they share it with. Making rude and ignorant statements about them just shows how intelligent you really are.

The ladies are here for us. We are here for them. If you don't like the landing, go to a different port.

Fly low, be cool and always check your six.

[QUOTE=MTownUtr;3302616]No I did not offer him a good deal or any kind of deal at all. We both realize where we screwed up and he contacted me after he made that post. I respected the fact that he was willing to admit his wrong and we're going to start over. It's that simple. I don't know why you guys have to read more into things than there are. Gives you something to gossip about I guess. Just like a bunch of old ladies, sitting around gossiping with nothing better to do. Well I have better things to do so I'm out.[/QUOTE]I was clear "generally speaking" in my post. We have seen them a lot. White knights are annoying. Information compromised.

So, when did I do wrong, as you calling me "wrong again?" I don't like a false accusation. At the same time if I was wrong somewhere, I want to correct it. I guess when you blame me through the alias account?

[QUOTE=MTownUtr;3302616]No I did not offer him a good deal or any kind of deal at all. We both realize where we screwed up and he contacted me after he made that post. I respected the fact that he was willing to admit his wrong and we're going to start over. It's that simple. I don't know why you guys have to read more into things than there are. Gives you something to gossip about I guess. Just like a bunch of old ladies, sitting around gossiping with nothing better to do. Well I have better things to do so I'm out.[/QUOTE]Looks like Lady J is still trying to control us. This forum is for free discussion of our experiences, and we are not "like a bunch of old ladies". She makes a living from those of us that are allowed to see her, and she displays disdain for us. Go back to where you came from.

The issue is, this forum should be a free flow of information, just cause you made a connection or she curled your toes, someone else could have had a nightmare experience. So that's where us smart guys on the forum compile all the information and make a choice to see or not, based on all the info. I wrote a review once, and it was ok, but there was room for improvement. The word got back to her and she corrected everything and became an ATF. It works the other way also, I have heard providers say, this guy was drunk, he stank, etc, and then they write a bad review. But at the end of the day, if most of the reviews from trusted people are positive then a few negatives mean nothing, and sometime providers could learn from a negative review or two. REMEMBER this a forum, not an infomercial! So guys, let people write reviews...good or bad!!!!

[QUOTE=ByronDee;3303464]The issue is, this forum should be a free flow of information, just cause you made a connection or she curled your toes, someone else could have had a nightmare experience. So that's where us smart guys on the forum compile all the information and make a choice to see or not, based on all the info. I wrote a review once, and it was ok, but there was room for improvement. The word got back to her and she corrected everything and became an ATF. It works the other way also, I have heard providers say, this guy was drunk, he stank, etc, and then they write a bad review. But at the end of the day, if most of the reviews from trusted people are positive then a few negatives mean nothing, and sometime providers could learn from a negative review or two. REMEMBER this a forum, not an infomercial! So guys, let people write reviews...good or bad!!!![/QUOTE]We need accurate information to make a decision and that is paramount. I wish I had the honest reviews from our Cincy-Dayton boards when I was in Tampa a year ago. I made a bad decision because there was no information and I paid for it. Nothing bad happened it was a very poor date and I was out $200. However she tried to tell me what to write. LOL! I stomped her and someone else mentioned a similar experience and I still check to see if she has any ads up and I haven't seen anything. Hate to put a girl out of business but to me what we did was not business.

[QUOTE=BuxKA;3303509]We need accurate information to make a decision and that is paramount. I wish I had the honest reviews from our Cincy-Dayton boards when I was in Tampa a year ago. I made a bad decision because there was no information and I paid for it. Nothing bad happened it was a very poor date and I was out $200. However she tried to tell me what to write. LOL! I stomped her and someone else mentioned a similar experience and I still check to see if she has any ads up and I haven't seen anything. Hate to put a girl out of business but to me what we did was not business.[/QUOTE]I see the problems arise when either, 1. The reviewer is not being factual and is just trying to discredit the provider or brag for some reason or another or, 2. The one being reviewed is too arrogant and proud to do some self examination and be critical of themselves or their performance. A person that will not take criticism will never grow and improve. In the forum there us a tendancy for cheap shots that really have no basis, those posts only make a person defensive and should be ignored. If the reviewer and the reviewed would stick to the facts, take the info as a lesson learned without getting defensive the posts would then carry a lot more weight and have a good effect. Quite frankly there are some posts I completely ignore because the poster has a history of not being objective. Really the posts are only as good as the reputation of the person behind it. Good or bad. I beleive each poster is painting a picture of their character every time they post and the words should be chosen wisely. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the crumby grammer, posting from my phone.

[QUOTE=MTownUtr;3302616]No I did not offer him a good deal or any kind of deal at all. We both realize where we screwed up and he contacted me after he made that post. I respected the fact that he was willing to admit his wrong and we're going to start over. It's that simple. I don't know why you guys have to read more into things than there are. Gives you something to gossip about I guess. Just like a bunch of old ladies, sitting around gossiping with nothing better to do. Well I have better things to do so I'm out.[/QUOTE]Certainly you have better things to do then make disparaging comments about "old ladies".

I'm with DC for two reasons. One, This board should be like Fight Club when it comes to the girls. Don't talk about it--except with advertisers. But too many guys blab about it and / or try to use a bad review as leverage--come on man. Just be straight up.

Two, Sarah and her friends are quite reasonable.

My two cents.

Cletus.

[QUOTE=Dcloser6;3301730]I've been told there are some who are threatening Sarah1983 and her partner Destiny with bad reviews if they don't drop their rates. BULLSHIT. Stop trying to bully the women here. Negotiate all you want, but DO NOT use this board and its power to sway people to take money away from them.

As a long time senior you know I never lie, will always share to those who've earned the right, and always treat the ladies with respect. It has allowed me to enjoy their company while rarely being dissapointed or taken advantage of.

Sarah has ALWAYS been a true provider and Destiny while young and maybe a bit sharp tongued has not tried anything bad or made me feel cheated or lied to. My eyes are open and I'm very very careful so I kow all the tricks. STOP abusing them. Here are two offering you paradise for a very reasonable rate and someone here is runing that for us.

So, if I find out who you are, be prepared, I will be glad to share my displeasure.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MontyCliff;3304052]Certainly you have better things to do then make disparaging comments about "old ladies".[/QUOTE]Oh oh, now you've done it, she will cross you off her compliant list and not see you. Welcome to the Lady J reject list.

Be safe and careful my friends! I am mostly in Cinci but watch the Dayton board as well. Looks like lots of fun up there this week, but watch out for Uncle as well.

Not sure where to post this, guess this as good as anywhere. Wondering what swing clubs you all would recommend checking out. Anywhere between here and cincy possibly further if you know of a real good one not to far away. Got a lady friend who is really interested in checking one out and having some group fun. Pm if you don't want to post in the open forum. Thanks in advance!

[QUOTE=Jmoney69;3313235]Not sure where to post this, guess this as good as anywhere. Wondering what swing clubs you all would recommend checking out. Anywhere between here and cincy possibly further if you know of a real good one not to far away. Got a lady friend who is really interested in checking one out and having some group fun. Pm if you don't want to post in the open forum. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Best club = Princeton in Columbus.

Good club = Club Sinday near Middletown.

OK club = Club 101 in Dayton.

[QUOTE=HoBeau;3313460]Best club = Princeton in Columbus.

Good club = Club Sinday near Middletown.

OK club = Club 101 in Dayton.[/QUOTE]101 is ok but very clicky.

440 in Milford I personally don't like.

Princeton is a great club.

Sinday is picky about who they let in.

[QUOTE=Jmoney69;3313235]Not sure where to post this, guess this as good as anywhere. Wondering what swing clubs you all would recommend checking out. Anywhere between here and cincy possibly further if you know of a real good one not to far away. Got a lady friend who is really interested in checking one out and having some group fun. Pm if you don't want to post in the open forum. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Club 101.

I had great times there for awhile but it was years ago.

I always went alone and within an hour some horney housewife would come grab me and say my husband / boyfriend wants to watch. LOL.

Most were in their 30's to 40's and decent looking.

Better looking and better bodies in fact then most "providers".

[QUOTE=PleasureGiver;3313702]Club 101.

I had great times there for awhile but it was years ago.

I always went alone and within an hour some horney housewife would come grab me and say my husband / boyfriend wants to watch. LOL.

Most were in their 30's to 40's and decent looking.

Better looking and better bodies in fact then most "providers".[/QUOTE]This is definitely some stupid shit, but just a story of how I came to exist in our hobby, that the USA Adult Classifieds link proclaiming "why waste your time and money on 'free' pussy" has me inclined to tell. I don't know what the average age of a hobbyist here is, but I have an inclination to believe that being in my mid 30's I am probably in the youngest 20% of our members, and still single. I got tired of going to bars and clubs and wasting money on overpriced drinks and competing with 1-4 other dudes for a piece of ass that I had no guarantee of getting. Sometimes I got lucky, oftentimes I didn't. Not to mention the risk of being arrested for DUI on the way home. I realized that by taking up this hobby my monetary losses would probably be around the same as my weekend excursions at the clubs. And I had a veritable cornucopia of guaranteed ass to choose from, and as long as I played it safe the chances of me being arrested for doing this were far lesser than being arrested for DUI. Well, 8 years later and here I am still. Maybe I'll settle down before I hit 40, but I doubt it LOL.

[QUOTE=BuzzWeiser;3313581]101 is ok but very clicky.

440 in Milford I personally don't like.

Princeton is a great club.

Sinday is picky about who they let in.[/QUOTE]That sums the current situation up nicely. In the glory days a decade ago, there were four clubs in the Dayton area: Dayton Swim & Social, Temptations, 440, and 101. Only 101 remains, 440 moved south, the landlord shut down Tempations, a fire ruined it for Dayton Swim & Social. I heard that there was a new club in the New Carlisle area in the last year or two, but I don't know the name.

I thought I'd post more on the swingers clubs than just my initial quick response. My wife and I are members of Club 101. We have been for many years. We don't go very often anymore as right now she's dealing with the change of life. However we've had the pleasure of going to many clubs here in this state and some out of state as well. Each club has its own clicks and regulars that go almost every weekend. Some clubs welcome "single"men but usually charge them a premium to get in. 101 is this type of Club. Some of the others don't allow single men and others only allow a certain number of single guys. These clubs thrive on couple's and thus try and limit singles access as much as possible. When I say singles I mean men. A single lady is almost always a guaranteed entry in hopes she is the elusive unicorn. Club 440 is also a decent club. Myself I just don't like the travel time to get there and the fact that it's hard to get a room when you want to play. Single guys are at my last visit welcome but again at a premium and that did limit the number at one time.

Club SinDay. We went there once. This place at the time of opening was for the pretty people. Maybe they have changed now I personally don't know but when they were new you had to be like Brad Pitt and Angela to fit in. They may have changed attitude if they are still open. Most clubs like this don't last if they aren't open to all shapes and sizes.

Bluegrass Connections in Ky. Is another decent club.

There's another in Toledo if you prefer to go north but I don't remember the name. Might be pleasuretime or something like that.

All these clubs have "clicks". If you do decide to visit one My best advice is not to be shy but also don't be over bearing either. If you want to approach a couple approach them when they are together. Don't wait til he goes to the bathroom or to get drinks and approach only her. To do that many times will get you shot down. Sometimes they will come to you and ask you to join them. If you aren't interested in them because she's not your type or whatever the reason be courteous about it. If you piss one couple off you're going to make anyone they know there not interested.

One good play to make is take a good bottle of something with you. Whether you want to drink it or not. Find a group that hangs together and if the res an open seat ask if you can join them. Be willing to share that bottle. Again be a gentleman but outgoing. Talk to everyone and have a good time just being there. One thing for certain whether you get laid or not you will leave laughing. The floor show in itself is fun to watch.

We've seen many singles at these clubs. The wall huggers go home depressed. The gentleman who goes and mingled and learns and has a good time gets lucky. My wife loves 3 sums. But she always picked a guy who was out going. Never once did she pick a wall hugger or someone who was shy. She never not did I ever give a chance to a guy who chatted her up while I was away either. Each couple has their own rules and fantasies. You just have to find the one that works for you. Some couple's like to play together, some don't. Some are looking for unicorns, some soft swap, and others anything goes. Its not hard to determine who's wanting what if you mingle.

I hope this information helps.

Stay safe and have fun!!

Buzz.

[QUOTE=BuzzWeiser;3314601]I thought I'd post more on the swingers clubs than just my initial quick response. My wife and I are members of Club 101. We have been for many years. We don't go very often anymore as right now she's dealing with the change of life. However we've had the pleasure of going to many clubs here in this state and some out of state as well. Each club has its own clicks and regulars that go almost every weekend. Some clubs welcome "single"men but usually charge them a premium to get in. 101 is this type of Club. Some of the others don't allow single men and others only allow a certain number of single guys. These clubs thrive on couple's and thus try and limit singles access as much as possible. When I say singles I mean men. A single lady is almost always a guaranteed entry in hopes she is the elusive unicorn. Club 440 is also a decent club. Myself I just don't like the travel time to get there and the fact that it's hard to get a room when you want to play. Single guys are at my last visit welcome but again at a premium and that did limit the number at one time.

Club SinDay. We went there once. This place at the time of opening was for the pretty people. Maybe they have changed now I personally don't know but when they were new you had to be like Brad Pitt and Angela to fit in. They may have changed attitude if they are still open. Most clubs like this don't last if they aren't open to all shapes and sizes.

Bluegrass Connections in Ky. Is another decent club.

There's another in Toledo if you prefer to go north but I don't remember the name. Might be pleasuretime or something like that.

All these clubs have "clicks". If you do decide to visit one My best advice is not to be shy but also don't be over bearing either. If you want to approach a couple approach them when they are together. Don't wait til he goes to the bathroom or to get drinks and approach only her. To do that many times will get you shot down. Sometimes they will come to you and ask you to join them. If you aren't interested in them because she's not your type or whatever the reason be courteous about it. If you piss one couple off you're going to make anyone they know there not interested.

One good play to make is take a good bottle of something with you. Whether you want to drink it or not. Find a group that hangs together and if the res an open seat ask if you can join them. Be willing to share that bottle. Again be a gentleman but outgoing. Talk to everyone and have a good time just being there. One thing for certain whether you get laid or not you will leave laughing. The floor show in itself is fun to watch.

We've seen many singles at these clubs. The wall huggers go home depressed. The gentleman who goes and mingled and learns and has a good time gets lucky. My wife loves 3 sums. But she always picked a guy who was out going. Never once did she pick a wall hugger or someone who was shy. She never not did I ever give a chance to a guy who chatted her up while I was away either. Each couple has their own rules and fantasies. You just have to find the one that works for you. Some couple's like to play together, some don't. Some are looking for unicorns, some soft swap, and others anything goes. Its not hard to determine who's wanting what if you mingle.

I hope this information helps.

Stay safe and have fun!!

Buzz.[/QUOTE]Very good read, thanks for sharing. MC.

[QUOTE=Jmoney69;3313235]Not sure where to post this, guess this as good as anywhere. Wondering what swing clubs you all would recommend checking out. Anywhere between here and cincy possibly further if you know of a real good one not to far away. Got a lady friend who is really interested in checking one out and having some group fun. Pm if you don't want to post in the open forum. Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]Thanks for the feedback so far everyone. So which club would you recommend / avoid for a couple that is new to the lifestyle but very interested. I understand clicks and that it will be up to us to introduce ourselves which is fine but I literally only have vague ideas what to expect as well as her. What about a guide on attending swing clubs and what to expect when you go. General would be fine but if anyone has almost like an escort review of entering, how the evening went, what happened etc. Again feel free to PM if you would rather.

Since you are close and new to the club scene I'd give 101 a shot. Whether you find what you are looking for or not it's always an adventure there none the less. They will give you a pre-membership tour where 440 won't. Biggest rule of the house. No means No, no exceptions. Second biggest rules no cameras or camera phones and no drugs of Any kind. Its BYOB but they do have snacks and mixers and ice and a big ass cooler for your drinks. They have a locker room and showers you can rent a lock or take your own. They have hardcore pork (a lot of older porn) on a few tv's in the place and a pool table. Upstairs there's a couple of play rooms and a message table that can also double as a play spot. The mid section has a dance floor and do (the owner) and there is a pole. There's also seating there but if you go get there early for the better seats. Down to the basement you'll find more play rooms and if they ever got it finished a dungeon room. These rooms have windows if you like to be watched. Or they do have curtains if you don't. They say dress to impress and many of the ladies wear sexy lingerie. Sometimes they change numerous times a night. A few of the males will sometimes run around in boxers or completely naked and you're bound to see naked women too. The owners wife is usually naked 80% of the night. Play rooms are first come first serve and they do have linen racks with clean sheets and towels. Sometimes they run out though. They have theme nights on Saturdays and Fridays are a meet and greet unless it happens to be a holiday. You don't have to dress for the theme night but sometimes it's fun. Most members say Fridays are the best but we've had great times on Saturdays when we go. Other than the few rules I told you pretty much anything else goes. It is not a male bi or gay friendly crowd there. Perfectly acceptable for the women but not men. First time you go if you decide to stay it's 40 a couple I think for a 1 year membership. You must have I'd.

I hope this helps. Should you want to ask more private questions about 101 or even the other clubs feel free to pm me. I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have.

Good luck and have fun.

Buzz.

What was the name of the one that used to be next to the Barnsider?

[QUOTE=TonBug;3316917]What was the name of the one that used to be next to the Barnsider?[/QUOTE]Who really cares? I think it was the Dayton Swim Club, I. E.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rba0d2oB-4w[/URL]

[QUOTE=HoBeau;3317173]Who really cares? I think it was the Dayton Swim Club, I. E.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rba0d2oB-4w[/URL][/QUOTE]That was pretty much just across the street from the Harem on Dixie, prior to the Harem being there, and those of us who were members, do care. A lot of fun was had there.

This one was on main St, just north of markey.

[QUOTE=TonBug;3317897]This one was on main St, just north of markey.[/QUOTE]But I do remeber going to one on Salem Ave near Denllinger Road in an old Holiday Health Spa on the left if you were coming from Downtown.

[QUOTE=PleasureGiver;3318125]But I do remeber going to one on Salem Ave near Denllinger Road in an old Holiday Health Spa on the left if you were coming from Downtown.[/QUOTE]Oh, you must have had a few, it was on the right coming from downtown on Salem, called Temptations. It was a good spot until the landlord got pissed by somebody and kicked them out. It had a full pool and a big hot tub, good sound system, glory holes, private rooms, pool tables, girls on pool tables, and refreshments. I do not know of any Swinger Clubs on Main St, maybe it was underground & UTR.

So I'm Google-ing around at work today and I run across a link to Ibogaine which I followed and read up on it a little. It is a pshychoative extract from the roots of an African Bush that has amazing properties in the treatment of many forms of chemical addiction. Including alcohol, meth, cocaine and opiates (heroin). It induces a 36-hour "trip" from which addicts return detoxed and with their brain chemistry "reset" to a pre-addiction state so they no longer crave the drug. WOW, it eliminates the physical addiction as well as the mental addiction. Ibogaine is a controlled substance and illegal in the US because no drug company has ponied up the billions it would cost for clinical trials and FDA approval. This is probably because they realize you can't make money if you cure a patient rather than put them in maintenance mode (like methadone Buprenorphine (Suboxone), or Naltrexone. The recidivism rate is very low too. Sounds too good to be true. Maybe this would be a good candidate for one of those executive orders. It seems that it might be more useful that a wall and it would cost a lot less too.

If anyone has any experience with Ibogaine please PM me, I have a friend that could use it. Maybe a few friends.

[QUOTE=TonBug;3317897]This one was on main St, just north of markey.[/QUOTE]That was a glorified whorehouse. They had house chicks and it was a two story big house. It had a bar, and bedrooms you would pay to go in a room for certain amount of time. Get a massage etc. Guy owned a bar in Huber. Nice place. Gypsy was my favorite gal by far.

Wow. I've only seen bickering like what we're seeing on the Dayton Escort thread typically only on the Cincinnati boards. Then again, the Dayton boards have not been this robust and participatory in a long time either. I'm talking about this conversation here, [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3997-Escort-Reports&p=3319635&viewfull=1#post3319635[/URL].

I find it surprising how there are members who criticize other members for being thorough in their reporting. Why not? Even more surprising are the accusations of falsehoods. So what? After a while it's easy to tell the White Knights from the just-the-facts guys. The beauty about this entire forum is how opinions can be freely expressed. In fact, it's amazing. And it fucking free! So why criticize other monger's attempts at a solid report at all? If you don't like wordy posts, ignore them. Or at least PM them yourself. But to criticize someone publicly on this board for taking the extra time after a visit with an SP to hopefully educate the rest of us mongers in terms of what that provider will or won't do, smell or not smell, smoke or not smoke, swallow or not swallow, kiss or whatever, is GOLD! How would any monger here NOT want as much information as possible before making a decision to take the plunge? Where else can we obtain this desperately important information? Yes! It IS important. Then, after enough posts about a provider from various other mongers we can then make our own educated decisions. It amazes me how a monger, much less any senior member, would be so quick to shoot down another senior whose motivation is to be a good community member and responsibly report to the rest of us. WTF?

On the other hand I absolutely admire any monger brave and financially stable enough to TOFTT and not necessarily care whether or not there has been a prior report on the SP. They are my heroes because I'm not as young as I used to be so, no, I'm rarely going to be that TOFTT guy any more. I don't have the stomach for it any more to be honest. So I also believe any monger who performs a TOFTT should absolutely be rewarded with praise from everyone else, too.

So seriously, shame on any monger who would criticize another for reporting in any detail. This is what the forum is for!

My two cents.

Cam.

My post on that thread was basically to say the same thing. All of us have different experiences and sharing the details helps us all decide what is true and what is white knighting.

[QUOTE=CameronB;3319875]Wow. I've only seen bickering like what we're seeing on the Dayton Escort thread typically only on the Cincinnati boards. Then again, the Dayton boards have not been this robust and participatory in a long time either. I'm talking about this conversation here, [URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3997-Escort-Reports&p=3319635&viewfull=1#post3319635[/URL].

I find it surprising how there are members who criticize other members for being thorough in their reporting. Why not? Even more surprising are the accusations of falsehoods. So what? After a while it's easy to tell the White Knights from the just-the-facts guys. The beauty about this entire forum is how opinions can be freely expressed. In fact, it's amazing. And it fucking free! So why criticize other monger's attempts at a solid report at all? If you don't like wordy posts, ignore them. Or at least PM them yourself. But to criticize someone publicly on this board for taking the extra time after a visit with an SP to hopefully educate the rest of us mongers in terms of what that provider will or won't do, smell or not smell, smoke or not smoke, swallow or not swallow, kiss or whatever, is GOLD! How would any monger here NOT want as much information as possible before making a decision to take the plunge? Where else can we obtain this desperately important information? Yes! It IS important. Then, after enough posts about a provider from various other mongers we can then make our own educated decisions. It amazes me how a monger, much less any senior member, would be so quick to shoot down another senior whose motivation is to be a good community member and responsibly report to the rest of us. WTF?

On the other hand I absolutely admire any monger brave and financially stable enough to TOFTT and not necessarily care whether or not there has been a prior report on the SP. They are my heroes because I'm not as young as I used to be so, no, I'm rarely going to be that TOFTT guy any more. I don't have the stomach for it any more to be honest. So I also believe any monger who performs a TOFTT should absolutely be rewarded with praise from everyone else, too.

So seriously, shame on any monger who would criticize another for reporting in any detail. This is what the forum is for!

My two cents.

Cam.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HoBeau;3319364]So I'm Google-ing around at work today and I run across a link to Ibogaine which I followed and read up on it a little. It is a pshychoative extract from the roots of an African Bush that has amazing properties in the treatment of many forms of chemical addiction. Including alcohol, meth, cocaine and opiates (heroin). It induces a 36-hour "trip" from which addicts return detoxed and with their brain chemistry "reset" to a pre-addiction state so they no longer crave the drug. WOW, it eliminates the physical addiction as well as the mental addiction. Ibogaine is a controlled substance and illegal in the US because no drug company has ponied up the billions it would cost for clinical trials and FDA approval. This is probably because they realize you can't make money if you cure a patient rather than put them in maintenance mode (like methadone Buprenorphine (Suboxone), or Naltrexone. The recidivism rate is very low too. Sounds too good to be true. Maybe this would be a good candidate for one of those executive orders. It seems that it might be more useful that a wall and it would cost a lot less too.

If anyone has any experience with Ibogaine please PM me, I have a friend that could use it. Maybe a few friends.[/QUOTE]I first became aware of Ibogaine at least two years ago when I came across an article about it. As you said, it definitely sounds TGTBT. But all the references and reports were consistent. To the best of my searching and research, there are no treatment centers in the US, for exactly the reasons you state. Have you seen this link? It has a LINKS page with more information. [URL]https://www.awakeninginthedream.com/ibogaine.html[/URL].

I was interested because a few people close to me were addicts. They had been in and out of rehab. They had been on methadone, and tried Suboxone programs. One ODed and was found by her 12-yr-old child, needle still in her arm. Another ODed more times than I can recall, and finally died from it last summer, about a week after getting out of adult probation, clean. She was found unresponsive by her 6-yr-old a couple of days before the fatal dose. (She was my waaaaay UTR for some time. What a fucking shame that she died because we really liked each other and we spent a lot of time together. I knew her since she was 19.).

You are spot-on with your comment about the money-making aspects of the maintenance programs. It's ridiculous what they charge for Suboxone treatment.

PM me if you want to talk about this more.

[QUOTE=Solid55;3319203]Oh, you must have had a few, it was on the right coming from downtown on Salem, called Temptations. It was a good spot until the landlord got pissed by somebody and kicked them out. It had a full pool and a big hot tub, good sound system, glory holes, private rooms, pool tables, girls on pool tables, and refreshments. I do not know of any Swinger Clubs on Main St, maybe it was underground & UTR.[/QUOTE]But it was in the old holiday health spa and further up Salem then you're remembering and I'm wrong. Coming from downtown it was on the right, in a strip mall.