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[QUOTE=HolaDoug;5172670]Listen dude, I'm tired of it too. The amount of disinformation out there is ridiculous, but it needs to be corrected when encountered or you get people believing a bunch of wild and demonstrably wrong bullshit. If someone presents some obviously wrong information as truth with an article that doesn't even back up their story as TopGun did, it needs to be called out immediately. Because people might take his misinformation as truth without following his links and form factually wrong and damaging views based on that information. If factual data is dishonestly represented it needs to be called out. This isn't about someone looking at things differently, it's about facts being facts. No not everything on the internet is necessarily true, but most of the data I put forth comes from the CDC's own website. Are you saying the United States Center for Disease Control and Prevention are publishing information that is "not necessarily true" and unreliable? Come on dude.

I agree, there are PLENTY of unknowns in this current situation we are in, that is precisely why it is vitally important to form your opinions based on the best facts that are available.[/QUOTE]In your last ridiculous defense of genocide you said that 10,000,000 would die unless governments acted.

It's not 10,000,000 it's 10,000,000 MORE. There were already 10,000,000 people who were going to die from hunger that nobody could fix before you and the rest of the sky is falling people decided that closing down the economy was the way to deal with a virus with a 99.74% recovery rate and now, with those economy's ravaged somehow these governments are going to finally get it together and eradicate hunger? Do you even think before you write.

From your words.

2,000,000 people have died WITH covid world wide.

According to the UN Council on Hunger an ADDITIONAL 10,000,000 will die OF hunger in 2021. There were 400,000,000 people in extreme poverty as of January 2020, in January 2021 there are 800,000,000 it's an INCREASE of 400,000,000 million destroyed lives. That's 5% of the people on the planet. It's an INCREASE, do you understand what the word increase means? 2,000,000 die from covid, because of what we did about covid 10,000,000 more will die. Do you not understand that 10,000,000 is more than 2,000,000 who again mostly died with not of.

I guess everybody who ever advocated for genocide thought they had good reasons but yours are weak. "Fuck them, they aren't white, they don't live in my neighborhood so I'll just ignore them. " I live where they live, I see it every day.

Yes, it's 24,000 who only died of covid. The CDC says

"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death."

What is 6% of 400,000? With your math I guess it's 2,000,000 but with my math 6% of 400,000 is 24,000. For the other guy advocating genocide, nearly 3 life threatening diseases means 2.9 or is 2.9 not nearly 3? I'm not advocating killing people over 55, this isn't Soylent Green. If you have a disease that is mostly killing people who are close to death and your idea to extend their lives for a few months is to starve 10,000,000 other people then you have the wrong idea.

I get it, you guys picked the wrong side on this in April and can't face up to the consequences but just stop talking instead of doubling down, 10,000,000 MORE (that means in addition to the 10,000,000 that we couldn't save before covid) people starving to death is enough isn't it, do you really need yet another 10,000,000? I've said my piece, now I'm out. I know you'll have some bullshit to add but it's simple. What you did is going to kill 10X or more people than what you were afraid of.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5172947]In your last ridiculous defense of genocide you said that 10,000,000 would die unless governments acted.

It's not 10,000,000 it's 10,000,000 MORE. There were already 10,000,000 people who were going to die from hunger that nobody could fix before you and the rest of the sky is falling people decided that closing down the economy was the way to deal with a virus with a 99.74% recovery rate and now, with those economy's ravaged somehow these governments are going to finally get it together and eradicate hunger? Do you even think before you write.

From your words.

2,000,000 people have died WITH covid world wide.

According to the UN Council on Hunger an ADDITIONAL 10,000,000 will die OF hunger in 2021. There were 400,000,000 people in extreme poverty as of January 2020, in January 2021 there are 800,000,000 it's an INCREASE of 400,000,000 million destroyed lives. That's 5% of the people on the planet. It's an INCREASE, do you understand what the word increase means? 2,000,000 die from covid, because of what we did about covid 10,000,000 more will die. Do you not understand that 10,000,000 is more than 2,000,000 who again mostly died with not of.

I guess everybody who ever advocated for genocide thought they had good reasons but yours are weak. "Fuck them, they aren't white, they don't live in my neighborhood so I'll just ignore them. " I live where they live, I see it every day.

Yes, it's 24,000 who only died of covid. The CDC says

"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death."

What is 6% of 400,000? With your math I guess it's 2,000,000 but with my math 6% of 400,000 is 24,000. For the other guy advocating genocide, nearly 3 life threatening diseases means 2.9 or is 2.9 not nearly 3? I'm not advocating killing people over 55, this isn't Soylent Green. If you have a disease that is mostly killing people who are close to death and your idea to extend their lives for a few months is to starve 10,000,000 other people then you have the wrong idea.

I get it, you guys picked the wrong side on this in April and can't face up to the consequences but just stop talking instead of doubling down, 10,000,000 MORE (that means in addition to the 10,000,000 that we couldn't save before covid) people starving to death is enough isn't it, do you really need yet another 10,000,000? I've said my piece, now I'm out. I know you'll have some bullshit to add but it's simple. What you did is going to kill 10X or more people than what you were afraid of.[/QUOTE]What does it matter we are all going to die from climate change.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5172947]In your last ridiculous defense of genocide you said that 10,000,000 would die unless governments acted.

It's not 10,000,000 it's 10,000,000 MORE. There were already 10,000,000 people who were going to die from hunger that nobody could fix before you and the rest of the sky is falling people decided that closing down the economy was the way to deal with a virus with a 99.74% recovery rate and now, with those economy's ravaged somehow these governments are going to finally get it together and eradicate hunger? Do you even think before you write.

From your words.

2,000,000 people have died WITH covid world wide.

According to the UN Council on Hunger an ADDITIONAL 10,000,000 will die OF hunger in 2021. There were 400,000,000 people in extreme poverty as of January 2020, in January 2021 there are 800,000,000 it's an INCREASE of 400,000,000 million destroyed lives. That's 5% of the people on the planet. It's an INCREASE, do you understand what the word increase means? 2,000,000 die from covid, because of what we did about covid 10,000,000 more will die. Do you not understand that 10,000,000 is more than 2,000,000 who again mostly died with not of.

I guess everybody who ever advocated for genocide thought they had good reasons but yours are weak. "Fuck them, they aren't white, they don't live in my neighborhood so I'll just ignore them. " I live where they live, I see it every day.

Yes, it's 24,000 who only died of covid. The CDC says

"For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death."

What is 6% of 400,000? With your math I guess it's 2,000,000 but with my math 6% of 400,000 is 24,000. For the other guy advocating genocide, nearly 3 life threatening diseases means 2.9 or is 2.9 not nearly 3? I'm not advocating killing people over 55, this isn't Soylent Green. If you have a disease that is mostly killing people who are close to death and your idea to extend their lives for a few months is to starve 10,000,000 other people then you have the wrong idea.

I get it, you guys picked the wrong side on this in April and can't face up to the consequences but just stop talking instead of doubling down, 10,000,000 MORE (that means in addition to the 10,000,000 that we couldn't save before covid) people starving to death is enough isn't it, do you really need yet another 10,000,000? I've said my piece, now I'm out. I know you'll have some bullshit to add but it's simple. What you did is going to kill 10X or more people than what you were afraid of.[/QUOTE]Yup. Well said.

[QUOTE=HolaDoug;5170437]Oh boy Admin2, here you go again. I corrected your numbers last time and here I will correct them again.

"Just under 3,000,000 people died in the US last year from all causes which is about 100,000 more than died in the three years previously. ".

As per the link you posted, just over 3. 25 million died in the US from all causes. The previous years average numbers of deaths was 2. 8 million as you pointed out last time you posted. I would also like to point out the last time you posted on this you said something like "Covid is only a thing if excess deaths are greater than 2. 8 mil", a sentiment I personally disagree with, but anyways. We are 425 k over that number. According to your own words, covid is officially "a thing".

As for your other argument only 24 k dying from covid alone. I'm not going to bother looking at the numbers for that because it's quite pointless. We've known from almost the beginning that having a preexisting condition can turn covid into a lethal illness. As you point out being overweight is one of those conditions. The CDC reports that 42.5% of adults over 20 are obese, 73.6% are overweight. Hypertension is also on your list, which also comes with being overweight / obese, also a common problem among Americans. Diabetes is also on that list which CDC reports 10.5% of the US population has and generally comes with being overweight and having high blood pressure. The fact is, Americans as a whole are not exactly the most healthy of people, which is why we are now losing around 2-4 k people a day due to covid.

"The fact is 93% of the people who have died with covid were over 55 and 96% of them had an average of nearly 3 of these illnesses or conditions. ".

First of all, so what? Are you trying to say their lives are less valuable because they are over 55? The average life expectancy in the USA is something like 75 years. I don't really understand this argument. I see people indirectly reference their age on this board quite frequently, often mentioning how they've been "in this game" for 20,30, 40 years. That probably puts a lot of people on this board in the 50+ older category assuming they started mongering sometime in their 20's. And even if they're younger, this is a contagious disease we're talking about. It's not just you at risk, it's everyone who you may interact with in your day to day lives should you catch this.

Second of all "an average of nearly 3". Which 1 suggests its statistically less than 3. So between 2 and 3 conditions. And it's an average, which means in plenty of cases it could be only 1. And then there's how you like to conflate your numbers. So really who the fuck knows what you mean by "an average of nearly 3".

Right now, according to covidactnow, there is only one state in the USA that is using less than 50% of its ICU capacity. About half of them are at greater than 70%. Before the pandemic hit you did not see ICUs filled to this capacity.

If you want to start talking of people dying worldwide due to starvation, first of all. That's 10 mil people theoretically dying of starvation IF governments don't offer aid. To date, worldwide, there has been just over 2 million deaths due to covid. That number is not theoretical, and it is likely much higher unless you believe all those 2nd and 3rd world countries actually have the capability of tracking deaths due to covid.

And finally, in the year covid has been around, it is already the third leading cause of death in the USA.[/QUOTE]An average of 3 does not mean less than 3. It. Means some are lower and some are higher. And without looking at the numbers that were plugged in, you have no idea how many 1's there were or how many 5's.

[QUOTE=OfficeHo;5172912]It is not " my turn" to do a damn thing. But it takes no number crunching to say that if we had only quarantined the older more vulnerable in the first place and did not lock down the rest of us. This would have passed through a lot more people that could have easily handled it and gotten the antibodies early on. And you ask. Why has no one tried it? Good question. Maybe it makes too much sense. . And as far a smaller percentage that still would have a problem with it? At what point is there acceptable loss to keep the world economy going. You are looking for a perfect world. I assume this from your paragraph about. What do we do about letting older folks out after the vaccine? Well? What do we do? Keep them hibernating forever? A percentage of folks die in car accidents every year. We accept the risk. Or in your world we ban all automobiles.[/QUOTE]It's your responsibility to look at the facts if you want to try to counter factual arguments. The solution you suggest is similar to the one Sweden tried to implement and are now saying they failed at. Period. Fuck off. Read a newspaper.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5172947]In your last ridiculous defense of genocide you said that 10,000,000 would die unless governments acted.[/QUOTE]I'm not going to requote your whole post or even read the fucking thing. Because once again it's probably a waste of time and full of HORSE SHIT.

The articles you posted on the issue suggested relief for these countries to the tune of $90 billion to address these problems and points out it is a small percentage of money compared to what countries are handing out or are attempting to hand out to their own citizens. It's an ENTIRELY MANAGEABLE SUM OF MONEY. Which I and MOST left-leaning people would agree should be passed.

The issues you bring up also DO NOT go hand in hand with coronavirus policies and instead are a symptom of a MUCH larger problem of wealth inequality in the world. THAT is where your outrage should be directed, NOT towards people trying to solve the problems brought on by a GLOBAL pandemic which will ALSO contribute to the deaths of MANY people in the third world.

Also TRUMP pulled out of the WHO. An organization that would try to address these problems you are outraged about.

I will say this again, I don't know why you deleted it last time when approving my post. I have the post in a text document which I copied and pasted from which proves you removed it. But the same party that is trying to underplay the seriousness of this pandemic is the same party that voted for "America first" policies in 2016. You are supporting the people least likely to give aid to third world countries. Foreign aid is one of those things that republicans regularly consider wasteful spending.

Tell me again who is on the wrong fucking side of the issues that face us.

[QUOTE=OfficeHo;5173041]An average of 3 does not mean less than 3. It. Means some are lower and some are higher. And without looking at the numbers that were plugged in, you have no idea how many 1's there were or how many 5's.[/QUOTE]"Means some are lower and some are higher" Precisely the fucking point I made, dummy. And no, you don't know how many were ones and how many were fives. But seeing how the number is closer to one than 5, I'm willing to bet there were more 1's than 5's! That is how averages work1 dummy.

You fucking people!

I made a mistake in my previous post and need to address it now before you idiots jump on it as a fucking strawman.

I said " But seeing how the number is closer to one than 5, I'm willing to bet there were more 1's than 5's! That is how averages work1 dummy."

I had in my mind Admin2's words of "nearly 3" in his post which literally means "less than 3". So my point fucking stands.

[QUOTE=HolaDoug;5173113]I made a mistake in my previous post and need to address it now before you idiots jump on it as a fucking strawman.

I said " But seeing how the number is closer to one than 5, I'm willing to bet there were more 1's than 5's! That is how averages work1 dummy."

I had in my mind Admin2's words of "nearly 3" in his post which literally means "less than 3". So my point fucking stands.[/QUOTE]Listen Biden Cured covid. Its over. Let get back to pussy, shall we?

[URL]https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/01/21/958870301/the-current-deadly-u-s-coronavirus-surge-has-peaked-researchers-say[/URL]

With all this bickering about statistics and shit has anyone ever recalled any provider throughout this pandemic catching covid and spreading it? I don't recall reading any reports or anyone mentioning they caught or thought they caught covid from a provider. I'm sure there are probably some on other boards maybe. They are pretty much on the front lines of this shit. Just wondering.

This information is coming from the new age Prophet that lives in Switzerland. Covid-19 will last at least a hundred years. If you catch covid-19 and you survive. It's still in your body. And lays dormant. And can come back and make you sick all over again. Another words you can never get rid of it if you catch it. The vaccine is actually making covid-19 transform and change and become deadlier. Another words mutate to a deadlier more easily transmitted. Ffp 1 2 or 3 masks are the only masks that work. Any other mask is worthless. This information is coming from someone that I truly trust and I'm not trying to get into a fight or start a war on this forum. You guys can believe what you want. But we will always have to wear masks till the day we die. We will never be able to go to basketball or football games in this lifetime. Life will not be the same for at least 100 hundred years because covid-19 is not going away in our lifetime. If you don't believe me check back in 10 years and talk to me.

[QUOTE=DowntownBoy;5174110]This information is coming from the new age Prophet that lives in Switzerland. Covid-19 will last at least a hundred years. If you catch covid-19 and you survive. It's still in your body. And lays dormant. And can come back and make you sick all over again. Another words you can never get rid of it if you catch it. The vaccine is actually making covid-19 transform and change and become deadlier. Another words mutate to a deadlier more easily transmitted. Ffp 1 2 or 3 masks are the only masks that work. Any other mask is worthless. This information is coming from someone that I truly trust and I'm not trying to get into a fight or start a war on this forum. You guys can believe what you want. But we will always have to wear masks till the day we die. We will never be able to go to basketball or football games in this lifetime. Life will not be the same for at least 100 hundred years because covid-19 is not going away in our lifetime. If you don't believe me check back in 10 years and talk to me.[/QUOTE]By 100 years you would think everyone has it so why keep wearing the mask?

[QUOTE=HolaDoug;5173097]It's your responsibility to look at the facts if you want to try to counter factual arguments. The solution you suggest is similar to the one Sweden tried to implement and are now saying they failed at. Period. Fuck off. Read a newspaper.

I'm not going to requote your whole post or even read the fucking thing. Because once again it's probably a waste of time and full of HORSE SHIT.

The articles you posted on the issue suggested relief for these countries to the tune of $90 billion to address these problems and points out it is a small percentage of money compared to what countries are handing out or are attempting to hand out to their own citizens. It's an ENTIRELY MANAGEABLE SUM OF MONEY. Which I and MOST left-leaning people would agree should be passed.

The issues you bring up also DO NOT go hand in hand with coronavirus policies and instead are a symptom of a MUCH larger problem of wealth inequality in the world. THAT is where your outrage should be directed, NOT towards people trying to solve the problems brought on by a GLOBAL pandemic which will ALSO contribute to the deaths of MANY people in the third world.

Also TRUMP pulled out of the WHO. An organization that would try to address these problems you are outraged about.

I will say this again, I don't know why you deleted it last time when approving my post. I have the post in a text document which I copied and pasted from which proves you removed it. But the same party that is trying to underplay the seriousness of this pandemic is the same party that voted for "America first" policies in 2016. You are supporting the people least likely to give aid to third world countries. Foreign aid is one of those things that republicans regularly consider wasteful spending.

Tell me again who is on the wrong fucking side of the issues that face us.

"Means some are lower and some are higher" Precisely the fucking point I made, dummy. And no, you don't know how many were ones and how many were fives. But seeing how the number is closer to one than 5, I'm willing to bet there were more 1's than 5's! That is how averages work1 dummy.

You fucking people![/QUOTE]When you resort to name calling, and attempt to belittle people that you don't agree with. It amounts to trying to be a bully. A tactic typical of Neanderthal brined people. And in case you haven't noticed. Newspapers are basically extinct. And yes I am informed. You do not seem to have the cerebral capacity to listen to what others say. I tried to keep it simple for you. Sweden did not do the plan that I mentioned. I said to totally quarantine older and more vulnerable people. And let the rest of us get the virus.

And as far as averages go. You admitted yourself that with out knowing the original input numbers. The question can't be answered. But you tried to force it through anyway without eliminating the variables. Who's the dummy?

And as far as giving away any money at all. We borrow a huge portion of our budget every year. In reality we don't have a dime to give away to anyone. And please don't respond with a whole bunch of more taxes for the rich and trump tax cuts. I will not respond. It is just too much of a whole other topic. I no matter how much they tax. It will never be enough.

A2 was just using the hunger thing as an example. You turned it around into something different.

Yes! I will tell you. Again! Your side got on the wrong side of this in April.

[QUOTE=Joenct;5174387]By 100 years you would think everyone has it so why keep wearing the mask?[/QUOTE]That's a good question. And thank you for not getting into an argument like some people on this forum. In the latest contact reports. It specifically says if you get Coronavirus and you recover from it can you still pass it on to somebody? And the new Prophet said for the most part NO! You can't))). But there's still a possibility that even if you recover from the coronavirus you can still pass it on to other people. (confusing I know). So that's why masks are probably going to be required. And once the scientists figure out what the new age Prophet already knows. Protocall. New laws etc will be implemented. Also if a pregnant woman has coronavirus there's going to be a lot of coronavirus babies being born that's a fact.

[QUOTE=MadPlaid;5168871]Had it. It's really nonsense and it was just used as a political tool. 99% survival rate. They lumped all those deaths in with every other kind of death to just say covid killed so many.

Saw a funny meme this mory.

Covid deaths are like husband's who still get blowjobs from their wives. You hear about it, see it on TV but don't actually know anyone who gets them.[/QUOTE]I know around 2 dozen people who have contracted Covid, 3 of whom died. I honestly cannot understand the push to diminish the severity of it.

[QUOTE=JonMels;5174941]I know around 2 dozen people who have contracted Covid, 3 of whom died. I honestly cannot understand the push to diminish the severity of it.[/QUOTE]The lack of empathy and sympathy is astounding. I guess the rest of the world is wrong about it too. Each country classified deaths their own way. Wake up. This is ridiculous. It's real people. Count yourself lucky you survived it. Don't gloat like a Cheeto who lied about it.

[QUOTE=DowntownBoy;5174110]This information is coming from the new age Prophet that lives in Switzerland. Covid-19 will last at least a hundred years. If you catch covid-19 and you survive. It's still in your body. And lays dormant. And can come back and make you sick all over again. Another words you can never get rid of it if you catch it. The vaccine is actually making covid-19 transform and change and become deadlier. Another words mutate to a deadlier more easily transmitted. Ffp 1 2 or 3 masks are the only masks that work. Any other mask is worthless. This information is coming from someone that I truly trust and I'm not trying to get into a fight or start a war on this forum. You guys can believe what you want. But we will always have to wear masks till the day we die. We will never be able to go to basketball or football games in this lifetime. Life will not be the same for at least 100 hundred years because covid-19 is not going away in our lifetime. If you don't believe me check back in 10 years and talk to me.[/QUOTE]Measles has been around for I am guessing close to a hundred years and it was / is just as or more contagious than corona! In my six plus decades on this earth I have never seen anyone wearing a mask protecting themselves from measles! I know I was vaccinated as an infant and I have to guess today's vaccinations are far more efficient. I'm sure there will be some fine tuning as certain strains mutate. Fear mongering can be worse than the virus! We have to carry on as normal as can be.