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[QUOTE=Ssssbadboyssss]...The free date is just as imaginary as dragons or unicorns, it's just something she said to placate you, [b]however I would rub it in every time I saw her as a bargaining chip[/b]....[/QUOTE]
We think alike. LOL! That's why I mentioned it before she made her offer. I knew that she wouldn't do a free date, and would be very surprised if she had said yes. Alas, I took your advice and stuck to the number, it worked out this time.
[QUOTE=Street Steve]"........"It is a wonderful Charity that feeds so many. When you see those long lines of hungry people it is hard not to be impressed.[/QUOTE]
I agree Steve, they just help without judgement. I think that's pretty noble.
[QUOTE=Fbtom]"........"What is cop?"........."[/QUOTE]
Cop = Buying drugs in this case. In general it's slang for buying something
[QUOTE=Fbtom]".............."I would just be a little concerned about a shopping trip for two items would quickly turn into a full shopping cart. When it comes to helping people, I'm a sucker.
I would also be very worried of a SW having liberties with my property, or identity while I was sleeping if I had one overnight. Such as finding my CC bill to have extra charges on it. Guess I'm paranoid.[/QUOTE]
I've found paranoia to be a helpful trait in this hobby. Paranoia will keep you and your property safe. You have to remember alot of times we're not dealing with the creme de la creme of society. While alot of these girls wouldn't steal your stuff, alot of them would, also some of the ones who wouldn't might find the temptation to hard to resist. I'd recommend if you are gonna sleep around a girl, get a room and keep your valuables at home.
Happy Hunting, Stay Safe
BadBoy
[QUOTE=Fbtom]Wow, Street Steve, you do find the bargains! What is cop? I'm might be dense because I don't know this either..(I will hide their "wake up") PM me to explain if you prefer.
When I passed the mission, I spotted some who may be SW, but was afraid to approach not knowing how the people around them would react.
I can agree that buying them needed items might be much better than just giving them funds. I would just be a little concerned about a shopping trip for two items would quickly turn into a full shopping cart. When it comes to helping people, I'm a sucker.
I would also be very worried of a SW having liberties with my property, or identity while I was sleeping if I had one overnight. Such as finding my CC bill to have extra charges on it. Guess I'm paranoid.[/QUOTE]
"Cop": they need to buy their drug before you go to your room---don't even think about doing this just for quick a car date, and many SW's will want you to. They can wait. Many hobbiest would argue never do it at all, and for good reason. However for extended encounters it can't be avoided. Check your gut for risk tolerance.
If you want them at their best and most passionate, you have to let them get high. They are a lot more fun when they are happy, and they are not really happy unless they are high.
If you see them pull out a stem to fire up your car: yell at them and tell to wait to you get to your room. I do marvel on just how dumb they can be
"their wake up" is a 10.00 bag of Heroin--SW's always laugh when I call it Heroin. They refer to Heroin as "dope" If you are going to hang out with a SW find out ASAP what drugs they are doing and how deep a whole they are in.
Heroin is sold in 10.00 bags--users use between 3 and 10 bags a day. Pick the 3 bag girl. Also know that most SW's do both Heroin and Crack. They refer to Crack merely as Cocaine.
Street Steve, I have never heard a sw refer to crack as coke, most call it rock.
[QUOTE=Mike Sweeney]Street Steve, I have never heard a sw refer to crack as coke, most call it rock.[/QUOTE]
I've heard them call it Coke, Crack, Butter, Rock, Ready Rock, Readys, Teeth, Stones, Boulders, etc. I guess the name changes depending on the situation i.e. where they're from, where they're getting it from, who they hang out with. Same thing with heroin I've heard heron, dope, dogfood, zombie dust, and it's further complicated because the dealers actually give that crap brand names like midnight, nightshade, blue magic, etc. I guess what I'm saying is they all call it alot of things where I just call it one, bad news. If you're in this hobby it's a fact of life but I agree with Steve when he says you can't let them get high in your car. It's one thing if you get pulled over and they have it on them, but if LEO observes them getting high in your car that makes you an active participant and more likely to get charged with possession because 99% of the time they're gonna try to stash in your car which makes it both of yours if he observed that act in your presence in your vehicle.
Just my $.02
BadBoy
[QUOTE=Ssssbadboyssss]....If you're in this hobby it's a fact of life but I agree with Steve when he says you can't let them get high in your car. It's one thing if you get pulled over and they have it on them, but if LEO observes them getting high in your car that makes you an active participant and more likely to get charged with possession because 99% of the time they're gonna try to stash in your car which makes it both of yours if he observed that act in your presence in your vehicle.[/QUOTE]
I agree that you don't want to be giving an officer any reason to pursue action against you. They might not get you for being a john, but drug stuff they will pursue!
My "Cover Your Ass" pick up routine:
I ask the sw immediately if they have any illegal items with them as soon as they get to the car. Since she is still outside of the car, I can refuse to go any further easier if they say yes. I'll say, "Sorry, no illegal items in my car, so can't offer you a ride".
If she misunderstands the question, such as thinking your out to buy or to share her stuff, I'll quickly explain, "I'm not a user, I just don't want that stuff in my car".
If they say no, then I'll ask if they want a ride. Once moving, I'll ask where they want to go. The answer gives the girl a chance to reveal if she is a working girl or a civi just wanting a ride somewhere. Her answer may be something like "Where do you want to go?" or "I have a place/room". She may get right to the point and specific asking about what kind of date you want. Here is where you need to be very careful, do the leo check before you answer!
Don't say anything incriminating or that could lead to a suspicion that your the perpetrator. If she is a leo, she is setting you up to discuss acts and money.
You can say "Officer, I don't pay for sex acts, where would you like to be dropped of at?". If she is a working girl or a leo still trying, she may reply "Honey, I'm not a leo, what would you like to do?". At this point, if she is leo, she lied, and that combined with a leo check where exposure and contact occurs would make her case very weak. If she doesn't comply with this check, such as pushing your hand away or saying something coy as "I'll show you once we set the price(or get to the room)". I'll repeat ""Officer, I don't pay for sex acts, where would you like to be dropped of at?".
You should also know that if you do get pulled over, refuse car searches by saying "I do not submit to being searched without a warrant". Do not leave the car without closing windows and locking it. Leave all items in trunk. For example, your boxed lunch leftovers or even your box of condoms. Anything where they may want to see what is inside. Don't make it easy for them! Know your rights! Even if you don't have anything to hide, don't submit!
Remember, you are innocent until proven guilty. Don't give them anything to use against you! Even if they try to say, we know your out for someone for services. Don't think, "damn, I'm caught" and say anything they want to hear. Once you admit anything, they will pursue you. You can simply reply to all questions saying "I respectfully decline to answer that question. Am I under arrest or am I free to go now?" Your not even required to tell them where you are going or why you are there.
You can chose to be somewhat revealing if they are somewhat friendly about the stop. Do at your own risk though! Such as "I'm just going to the woodshed" or "to get lunch at xxxx". Even if they ask why you picked up someone. This isn't against the law. Just reply "I just offered her a ride, am I under arrest or am I free to go now?". Even if they are cordial, be cautious, they are out to get you to admit to something.
What would strongly help your case is if you have a recording device in plain sight of the passenger. If she is a leo, she will know that your not an easy target. If she is a SW, she probably wouldn't care about the device, just make sure she doesn't steal it. In addition, you can say "Your skin is so smooth, do you like that" as you do the exposure/contact check. If she responds to your question, she won't be able to deny the contact. Since the tape would not actually show this action. If she is a leo, she will know that this is being recorded and would have no case. If you get pulled over, the leo will also know your recording the stop. This is not against the law either. If asked about the device, simply say, "I'm recording this conversation for future reference".
Another point, car dates and alleys. I was told that if caught being exposed in public, you can be placed on a sexual predator list. I recommend that you get in a private situation. Just be careful of where you go! I went to two different girls rooms. I did not feel comfortable in either one. I'd rather pay for a local room of my choice from now on. A place where I'm in control of my surroundings.
Be smart and be safe!
Ssssbadboysss, Either name they use, Your .02 cents is imporant, as you say any way it's bad news. Be safe
[QUOTE=Mike Sweeney]Ssssbadboysss, Either name they use, Your .02 cents is imporant, as you say any way it's bad news. Be safe[/QUOTE]
With the draconian drug laws in this state, and with common sense leaving our judicial system you could be in a situation where you have the potential of serving a long probation and possibly becoming a felon over picking up a SW. While it's embarassing in itself to be caught for a crime involving prostitution, you certainly don't want to go to court for drug charges. Even though you may win your case, you still have legal fees, damage to your reputation, and now the Police have your name on their radar. If you lose or plea out, you still have the legal fees, you'll at least be on probation, and you have the possibility of becoming a felon which is on par with being a 2nd class citizen. A felon has little to no civil rights, you can't even vote. Not to mention the difficulty in finding a job that will pay enough for you to support yourself. What I'm saying is listen to the more careful members of the forum like Super and don't put yourself in that situation even if it means someone else beats you to that hot SW.
Stay Safe and Happy Hunting
BadBoy
[QUOTE=Fbtom].........So what is the point of the commonly mentioned exposure/contact leo check then? Is there a better way to go about it?
.............How is being on the cell phone a FURTIVE MOVEMENT? Hell, just about everyone has a cell phone now. Look at how many are using them while your down at the K.[/QUOTE]
The LE check is pointless, they can let you touch them and they can touch you. The LE check is nothing more than an urban legend. Truth is most likely the ULEO isn't going to actually get in the car with you. The LEO's M.O. is to negotiate thru the window, then tell you to pick her up aroung the corner. Guess who's waiting there. You're best bet is to offer the girl a ride then make a B line outta dodge. Never negotiate thru the window and never discuss sex or money until you're out of the area and certain you weren't followed.
The furtive moment PC. The Police on the K have pretty much thrown the rule book out of the window. If think they've got something on you, they will stop you, they will search you, and they'll figure out a reason if they get something on you. If they have nothing they'll let you go figuring that you'll let it live as a no harm, no foul. It works for them because alot of the citizens they come into contact with consider themselves lucky if they're harassed then set free.
Stay Safe
BadBoy
Thanks badboy and SuperE, great discussions! Since I'm pretty new to this, all good info is appreciated.
I'm stressed about the cell phone since it means that if all of my other actions are spot on and I can still be harassed by leo just for being in that area. What if I was from out of town, not knowing it was a bad area? Hell there are a lot of bad areas of Philly, I guess I'm just a criminal for being in that town then. Some SW dress like normal folks, how was I to know she was a known criminal. After all, she might be known to leo, doesn't mean that I would know about her. Damn, since I'm Italian, I must be in the mob too! LOL Guilty by association. Just like owning a sports car means that I speed too!
I'm being sarcastic since it annoys the hell out me to be presumed guilty!
er..... not to belabor the point but, since there has been so much "text" commentary on this thread - there is a great 45-minute video on Youtube that covers what every monger and citizen needs to know while driving on public highways. I'm sure local laws vary widely across this great land but this video should be the basis for anyone's interactions with LE anywhere!
Not sure if the link is allowed but it is here:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA[/url]
Should be easy to learn the key phrases and philosophy from the video - well worth the effort to watch it.
If you need to find it the title is:
[b][color=red]BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters[/color][/b]
Look it up on youtube, or in your search engine.
Very interesting.
Corner of K & B. She looked very much like a civi, so I didn't even think she was a sw. I was surprised when she gave the look and we nodded. About 5'9", 120lbs, So thin, I'd say she is a large a cup or small b cup. Appeared to be about 38-42yrs old, brown eyes, dyed black hair in an '80's fashion. As in puffed up and with a lot of hair spray. She has a partial vampire tatoo on her left thigh. Belly button ring. A previous nose piercing is noticeable on her left nostril. She lives in NE section with female room mates.
Claimed to be only on the street for nine months due to bad economy. She pushed for car date bj initially at forty, agreed to thirty, instead I took her to hc for seventy. She was never there before and didn't know of any other short stay places. She was recommending the traditional, but cheaper than normal hotel locations.
She was visibly nervous as was I. The interaction was unique in that she wanted different rates to have different options, such as the bra stayed on. No kissing at all, she is worried about flu going around. She appeared to have shaved at one time, but wasn't when I found her. Allow roaming of phalanges, but nothing internal. She was hesitant with the start by being a little stiff with her legs. Once we started she was patient with me to the finish. She aided me along with bbbj, but it seemed that she doesn't like cim.
Since she seemed to be limited with certain things, I didn't pursue any rear options.
No cell phone, so I got her email address for possible future dates, asking me to keep in touch with her. She did not hear of a website like this before and did not want any pictures taken. She also stated that she was only doing SW for a short time, maybe keeping her regulars long term. She stated that she is very particular to who she goes with, so if you see her, you may not get her look and nod.
She did complain a little about me not tipping her. She knew that I'm new to this and made the suggestion that tipping is a thank you for any room visits. Regardless of agreed rate, varying the amount depending on how happy I was from the date. Is this typical?
Does anyone have any knowledge of a SW named Lisa Tronco? She used to work in SW Philly around 63rd & Greenway. She is in her mid 20s, about 4 ft 7 with long dark hair. On many occasions she showed me her verbal skills, never took it beyond that. Have not seen her in awhile and would appreciate anyone who is willing to share their expierences with her or anyone who would have any contact info. Currently live out of town but will be visiting Philly shortly and would love to meet this cutie again.
[QUOTE=Ssssbadboyssss]I've heard them call it Coke, Crack, Butter, Rock, Ready Rock, Readys, Teeth, Stones, Boulders, etc. BadBoy[/QUOTE]Badboy: the SW below and I did a overnighter and when she referred to herself as a "Ready Rock Girl", I thought of you. I think I will be posting more of her in about a week or two on the Camden board.
Wow you guys are so lucky to have not only the K but Camden so close by!!!!!!!!!
Street