"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

I think you used to be able to do this Not sure if it is possible.

Any info? Thanks CM.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;6279003]I saw a UVA gal all spring semester who had a serious incest fetish. Not just calling me daddy, but wanted me to call her my sluttly little daughter and insisted on my dumping inside her to get her pregnant (she was on birth control and had a boyfriend who plowed and seeded her regularly).

Not exactly sure what was going on back home -- parents paid for school, she sugared for kicks and graduation trip money -- but that was pretty extreme.[/QUOTE]That's just what most of us would call normal DD / LG play. To me incest is defined by sex with an actual family member, so when someone is playing the character of a family member, there is no way incest is factored into the picture at all.

Now, I do get why some folks make a *cognitive association* between role playing daddy / daughter and actual incest, but that is a difference that takes place in their mind.

It's no different than a woman calling her bf daddy or referring to him as a sugarDADDY in the first place. The word "daddy" is there right, and we know why. The fact the word daddy and baby was ever brought into the concept of a sexual relationship between older man and younger woman is no doubt rooted in taboo thoughts. It's one of those things we're not supposed to want to do and that's part of what makes it fun.

But people are used to hearing that. They aren't so used to it getting more specific like "cum in your daughters little pussy daddy". But some girls have a FIERCE DD / LG kink and anyone who likes good sex would benefit from rolling with it when that's the case.

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6280003]That's just what most of us would call normal DD / LG play. To me incest is defined by sex with an actual family member, so when someone is playing the character of a family member, there is no way incest is factored into the picture at all.

Now, I do get why some folks make a *cognitive association* between role playing daddy / daughter and actual incest, but that is a difference that takes place in their mind.

It's no different than a woman calling her bf daddy or referring to him as a sugarDADDY in the first place. The word "daddy" is there right, and we know why. The fact the word daddy and baby was ever brought into the concept of a sexual relationship between older man and younger woman is no doubt rooted in taboo thoughts. It's one of those things we're not supposed to want to do and that's part of what makes it fun.

But people are used to hearing that. They aren't so used to it getting more specific like "cum in your daughters little pussy daddy". But some girls have a FIERCE DD / LG kink and anyone who likes good sex would benefit from rolling with it when that's the case.[/QUOTE]She did mention an abusive upbringing but didn't elaborate. Whatever.

I can see why this is her 3rd account, I've seen her since Halloween of this year at least 2 a month. And normally it was on dates and fucked twice only so out of 6 visits only hooked up 2 times. But we would hang out and go out on dates. Ppm on the first and second date when we hooked up. The other times she said she was hungry so I took her out to eat. Now everything was going okay until the last 2 weekends of the year. I don't really ever prepay or do any deposits but she asked for 100 for Christmas so she could get something from her family and told me she will make it up too me. I was thinking okay I mean we text and snap all the time we got a Good relationship so why not.

Dumbass #1 and then she told me she wanted to hang out with me for NYE and stay over my place, I was like hell yea. The day of NYE I asked what time I should pick her up she replied "Idk I'm fixing to get discharged form the er because one of my cyct popped" and also someone broke my door at the hotel I was staying at so they are about to kick me out. Sends me a clip of the broke door. I need 200 for them to get it replaced before I leave.

Dumbass#2 I send the money. Then crickets after that. I can't blame anyone else but myself. Now every time I tried to fuck her she had an excuse on why she can't, I'm bleeding, my blah blah blah is hurting, etc. Man I should have dumped her ass a longtime ago. She blocked me on SA so I can't even get the link for her account added. But I have some pictures LOL.

I had a feeling she was doing this to others and they were reporting her before she did the reporting first, well she beat me to the punch now I know why she is on her third account.

Seems like each of us tends to end up w / a typical 'type'. Somewhat like in vanilla dating. I have had a few who got disenchanted w / me after a few dates. Here is an example of a text I got recently.

You know I enjoy our time and appreciate you. However, I feel like I'm not your sugar baby. I don't get gifts on my birthday or holidays. You don't make sure I have enough money at first to book our rooms and I don't even get my favorite champagne. I feel like I'm just someone by the hour to you and that's okay. We would need to rearrange the allowance accordantly to the hour / hours and the extra wants of your desires.

So, has anyone actually met up with this one yet?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/59f74119-d6ce-4252-887b-7046f36ccd7c[/URL]

There has been very little intel on her and she's been on the site for 3 years. She is hitting me up again and sounds like fun but she can never follow through so am curious if any of you all have had luck. If so, DM me the details. Would love to know if she is worth the trouble. Thanks!

[QUOTE=VABird12;6280815]I can see why this is her 3rd account, I've seen her since Halloween of this year at least 2 a month. And normally it was on dates and fucked twice only so out of 6 visits only hooked up 2 times. But we would hang out and go out on dates. Ppm on the first and second date when we hooked up. The other times she said she was hungry so I took her out to eat. Now everything was going okay until the last 2 weekends of the year. I don't really ever prepay or do any deposits but she asked for 100 for Christmas so she could get something from her family and told me she will make it up too me. I was thinking okay I mean we text and snap all the time we got a Good relationship so why not.

Dumbass #1 and then she told me she wanted to hang out with me for NYE and stay over my place, I was like hell yea. The day of NYE I asked what time I should pick her up she replied "Idk I'm fixing to get discharged form the er because one of my cyct popped" and also someone broke my door at the hotel I was staying at so they are about to kick me out. Sends me a clip of the broke door. I need 200 for them to get it replaced before I leave.

Dumbass#2 I send the money. Then crickets after that. I can't blame anyone else but myself. Now every time I tried to fuck her she had an excuse on why she can't, I'm bleeding, my blah blah blah is hurting, etc. Man I should have dumped her ass a longtime ago. She blocked me on SA so I can't even get the link for her account added. But I have some pictures LOL.

I had a feeling she was doing this to others and they were reporting her before she did the reporting first, well she beat me to the punch now I know why she is on her third account.[/QUOTE]OK. I don't mean to be a dick but I'm laughing over here. You've seen and paid her 6 times, fucked 2 times and you think it was "going okay until the last 2 weekends of the year"? No, it wasn't. You weren't "dating", you were hiring a hooker. You did NOT have a "Good relationship", you were hiring a hooker and NOT getting laid. And then she got $300 more w / o even being in the same room? COME ON MAN. Remove head from ass. NOW.

[QUOTE=Tidad;6281185]OK. I don't mean to be a dick but I'm laughing over here. You've seen and paid her 6 times, fucked 2 times and you think it was "going okay until the last 2 weekends of the year"? No, it wasn't. You weren't "dating", you were hiring a hooker. You did NOT have a "Good relationship", you were hiring a hooker and NOT getting laid. And then she got $300 more w / o even being in the same room? COME ON MAN. Remove head from ass. NOW.[/QUOTE]I've paid for 2 visits out of the 6 bc those two visits I got laid. The other four times she just wanted to hang out bc, nothing happened but It didn't cost me nothing. Shitt that's why I did the post for a laugh, I'm a dumbass. LOL. Take that as a learning lesson.

I have a few different girls that I only do ppm and others it's free of charge bc we both fulfilling each desires. So I thought this was some hybrid relationship where we can hang out and when I want to fuck it's a ppm deal. Well not doing that ever again. Like I said all the signs were there 3 accounts and some of the stories she told me about her other clients were super sus.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;6280279]She did mention an abusive upbringing but didn't elaborate. Whatever.[/QUOTE]I have heard of cases of sexual abuse resulting in the victim developing an appetite for same. One SB I knew told me she was raped (not so much through violence but coercion / grooming) by someone that lived in her neighborhood in her early teens. She said while that particular experience disgusted her, she said she really felt that was what triggered her lust for older men. She was already flirting with and trying to get 50+ year old guys to take the bait by the time she was 15 or 16. Out of genuine sexual desire, too.

Similar could happen with incest I'm sure. Traumatic experience results in craving for more. The mind is a strange place.

Very sweet and friendly with good comms, but looking for platonic only.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/73688c11-4c37-458f-88f4-cd3c31067354[/URL]

[QUOTE=OliverNP;6281629]I have heard of cases of sexual abuse resulting in the victim developing an appetite for same. One SB I knew told me she was raped (not so much through violence but coercion / grooming) by someone that lived in her neighborhood in her early teens. She said while that particular experience disgusted her, she said she really felt that was what triggered her lust for older men. She was already flirting with and trying to get 50+ year old guys to take the bait by the time she was 15 or 16. Out of genuine sexual desire, too.

Similar could happen with incest I'm sure. Traumatic experience results in craving for more. The mind is a strange place.[/QUOTE]I've got a long time occasional, on again / off again FWB I've been seeing since she was 19. She's 36 now. I really enjoy her company and she's fun to hang out with and super smart (but somehow can't put it to good use), but mentally she's a mess. Definite psychological disorders from a shitty upbringing, DCF removing her from her parent's home because they were a mess, bouncing around foster homes, eventually being adopted, etc. I love her, but there's a reason she's a FWB and not a girlfriend. She can make life hell, so I have to compartmentalize her and share the good but not the bad.

Anyway, I wonder what the truth is with her. She, too, has always liked older men. She'll swear 'till the cows come home that she was never sexually abused, but I seriously have my doubts. To the topic at hand, when we have sex, not during a quick "let's fuck for fun" session but when the sex is really loving and deeply personal she'll spontaneously suck her thumb. She's done this forever and still to this day. And to this day, I still don't know how to read that. Is our sex bringing up deeply buried past traumatic experiences? Am I hurting her psychologically? Is this just something she does? Is she enjoying a DD / LG fantasy in her head? I'll never know, every time I bring it up she brushes the topic off. I would hate if this is hurting her somehow, but on another level it's REALLY hot.

The mind is indeed a strange place.

I'll second the perception that there is often some deep trauma behind some D / S kinks. One of my early SBs was incredibly submissive and liked real pain — the harder I'd slap her pussy, the wetter her explosion. She would ask me to slap her right across the face. It got to the point where if we were deep in the play, I could just look at her a certain way and make her cum (she was a squirter so this was completely genuine). But she told me about some serious shit in her past (like kidnapped as a teenager shit) that was incredibly traumatic. Over the years I've probed into others that were submissive and there was often something similar in their past. I can't say whether it is correlation or causation — we don't like to face the reality that a lot of women have experienced sexual trauma because of some bad actors out there — and there are definitely women who come from stable and loving backgrounds that are also into some seriously kinky shit. The mind is a strange place.

There are all sorts of flavors to DD / LG. It is a fine line to be sure between hot and creepy for me. Same can be said for a lot of other play — CNC, breeding, etc. Communication and trust are key — and sometimes hard to come by when both parties are practicing standard OpSec.

[QUOTE=WilliamsJJ703;6280989]So, has anyone actually met up with this one yet?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/59f74119-d6ce-4252-887b-7046f36ccd7c[/URL]

There has been very little intel on her and she's been on the site for 3 years. She is hitting me up again and sounds like fun but she can never follow through so am curious if any of you all have had luck. If so, DM me the details. Would love to know if she is worth the trouble. Thanks![/QUOTE]I went through the same thing with her about a year ago. She could never follow through, so I gave up.

[QUOTE=VABird12;6280815]I can see why this is her 3rd account, I've seen her since Halloween of this year at least 2 a month. And normally it was on dates and fucked twice only so out of 6 visits only hooked up 2 times. But we would hang out and go out on dates. Ppm on the first and second date when we hooked up. The other times she said she was hungry so I took her out to eat. Now everything was going okay until the last 2 weekends of the year. I don't really ever prepay or do any deposits but she asked for 100 for Christmas so she could get something from her family and told me she will make it up too me. I was thinking okay I mean we text and snap all the time we got a Good relationship so why not.

Dumbass #1 and then she told me she wanted to hang out with me for NYE and stay over my place, I was like hell yea. The day of NYE I asked what time I should pick her up she replied "Idk I'm fixing to get discharged form the er because one of my cyct popped" and also someone broke my door at the hotel I was staying at so they are about to kick me out. Sends me a clip of the broke door. I need 200 for them to get it replaced before I leave.

Dumbass#2 I send the money. Then crickets after that. I can't blame anyone else but myself. Now every time I tried to fuck her she had an excuse on why she can't, I'm bleeding, my blah blah blah is hurting, etc. Man I should have dumped her ass a longtime ago. She blocked me on SA so I can't even get the link for her account added. But I have some pictures LOL.

I had a feeling she was doing this to others and they were reporting her before she did the reporting first, well she beat me to the punch now I know why she is on her third account.[/QUOTE][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/acbc2512-c0ab-4746-8112-9051e8177fe9[/URL] is the link.

Not for nothing, but I'm chalking it up to holiday soft heart. Rest I'm sending via PM just in case this is being read, but out about same in cash and a little extra actually LOL. And I got a present as well which required a visit to my doc, which I cannot fully discuss here. So, if anyone is interested in details and may have seen her, PM me.

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