"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Falar;2059586]How do you guys feel about females with paid membership especially on SD4 ME, I came across this young lady profile because she sent me something indicating her interest. I was hesitant to respond because it same like she maybe a professional. Whats been your experience with females with paid membership? May I add that she's a college student.[/QUOTE]Actually a pro is less likely to have a paid membership. But its all in the marketing and SD4 M does a pretty good job of creating a false sense of urgency to get the girls to pay for a gold membership.

[QUOTE=Falar;2059586]How do you guys feel about females with paid membership especially on SD4 ME, I came across this young lady profile because she sent me something indicating her interest. I was hesitant to respond because it same like she maybe a professional. Whats been your experience with females with paid membership? May I add that she's a college student.[/QUOTE]I probably wouldn't hold it against the girl unless you have other reasons to, but IMO that's an extremely bad idea for the site to attract women (which is what attracts paying men). They should rethink that as a business strategy. The whole reason SBs are there is (in theory) because they need help with finances. I don't know if SD4 ME shows them as verified college student, but on SA they have to have a valid. Edu email address to be marked as a college babe, which would be fairly tricky to do if they weren't in school (or had been recently).

As far as identifying pros (escorts posing as SBs), that might be a worthwhile discussion in itself.

Based on my own observations, some possible signs she's a pro:

(a) starts calling you sweetie right away.

(b) gives up a phone number a little too quickly, which you can search and see if you can find escort history on it. This one is tricky because lots of legit SBs give out their number right away just because texting is quicker, so a fast phone number doesn't necessarily mean she's a pro, but in can be something to factor in if you see other red flags.

(c) seems indifferent about your appearance (for example, posts "looks not important" in her profile, or doesn't ask if your pics are real and recent, etc). A real SB is going to care how you look even if she is a lot less picky or more open minded than her civvy equivalent. An escort might exclude or express preference for certain races or whatever but generally won't care how you look.

(d) seems a little too sexual or flirty in her post... Again this one can be meaningless because some of them will write about how they love sex and want to play, etc. And they really mean exactly that (god bless those types!

[QUOTE=Falar;2059586]How do you guys feel about females with paid membership especially on SD4 ME, I came across this young lady profile because she sent me something indicating her interest. I was hesitant to respond because it same like she maybe a professional. Whats been your experience with females with paid membership? May I add that she's a college student.[/QUOTE]Many paid members are Pros IMHO. One in particular in my area off SDFM is drop dead gorgeous and gave her # up Quickly. SHe then told me I had to call her scheduler to prepay before she would meet me. Um, no thanks.

I only use SD4 M. In my demographic at least a third of the girls are pros or UTR.

1. location. Known pro neighborhoods.

2. pics are TGTBT. The pics are real. But these are girls that get hit up non stop in the civi world to accept cash and don't really need an SD site to find it.

3. if you see them online everyday and for 12 hours a day.

4. you see they are constantly logging in and out all day to get to the top of the listing. Also the exact opposite, they never log off.

5. they immediately start negotiating price

6. In L.A. The pro buzzword is "hun".

7. Shorter than average profiles. May talk about sex in a very explicit way.

8. once they get your number they txt excessively about meeting not getting to know you. And may txt periodically if you ignore them.

9. they txt early in the day before noon.

10. They are online on Friday at sat nites.

11. They send you nude pics without being prompted.

12. They start out sweet but if you don't agree to meet asap they start to get nasty. A non pro would just ignore you if she thought you weren't interested.

13. They ask if you are with law enforcement. LOL.

New pro-file from this morning. She lives in a known pro / utr area. Decent looking. Not making my $ offer as I am trying to take a break from meeting new utr's for the moment. Specially if they are 30 minutes or more away.

About Me:

Fun, outgoing, sexual, flirtatious, soft, kind, loving, Funny, patient, money, affection.

What I'm Looking For.

You show me a good time & ill do the same.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2060102]

6. In L.A. The pro buzzword is "hun".

[/QUOTE]I mentioned "sweetie", but I see "hun" sometimes too, also "baby", although sometimes these are said legitimately (especially baby) after dating for a while, even by civvys that are far removed from the pro scene.

What's funny about it, is that aside from the sugar scene, the only other place I hear that (early in the meeting stage I mean) is from female workers in jobs involving high-volume people interaction (for example a gas station clerk, fast food order taker, waitress, etc), so I immediately associate it with high volume spreading of the legs when I hear it in the sugarbaby context. Since I find quite a few SBs that have waitress / bartender type jobs, I suppose it's possible that they forget they aren't at work sometimes and use it by mistake, but I doubt that occurs in e-mail or text very often, as they would likely backspace and correct it if they aren't pros.

Hello... I've been a long-time lurker here, but I've been in the bowl off and on for about three years.

Talking about identifying potential SBs who are really pros reminded me of my first long-term SB. I contacted her off of SD4 me, and we initially started talking about regular things. When the conversation turned to money, I told her what I was willing to pay. She replied by asking "for how long? Then she told me that she usually received a slightly larger amount for two hours. I should've realized at the time that it was a sign of a professional mentality, whether she was actually a pro or not. But we met at the amount I offered her, and she was a 10 in looks, and an 8 in the bedroom only because she didn't do the whole range of activities in the beginning. She didn't act like a pro at all, just a normal 19 year old who needed some extra money to pay for things her parents weren't helping her out with.

Anyway, after a few months, she was noticeably going downhill. Every time I would see her, she had some story about her living situation or some other drama. She also started calling me to ask for help paying some random bill, as if it were an emergency. Almost every time, I made sure I got something from her in return though. Some of her stories were really weird but plausible, and a couple of times I was able to verify them from publicly available information. But I could tell there was something more than what she was telling me, too, and I was never able to trust her more than what she had in front of me.

Then one day, I was browsing backpage and saw a picture of a girl that looked like her. I checked the number, and it was an old number that she had given me that she supposedly wasn't using anymore. After searching the numbers I had and the pictures some more, it turns out that she had been posting ads on there for several months. All of the previous ones were using fake pictures and a different age (older than what she actually was) -- that ad I saw was the first one using her real pics. So I confronted her about it the next time I saw her, and she first pretended not to know what I was talking about, then she said she wasn't really seeing anybody from there. Uh huh. We saw each other a couple of more times, but there was so much drama, she was becoming super flaky, she was letting herself go in so many ways, and it was more of a burden to deal with her with minimal fun. That was the end of her for me.

The last time I saw her, she had a flat tire that she didn't get fixed for whatever reason, so she was using a portable air compressor to fill it when it got low. Well, she was trying to do this in my driveway at 11:00 pm, and I had to tell her to stop before she woke the neighbors. I made her go to a shopping center down the street to do it. She moved to Florida to live with other family members shortly after the last time I saw her, and I know she's been on backpage occasionally down there since then. She's also been arrested a few times too, including for drug possession. Not surprising at all.

[QUOTE=Johnny5;2061573]Hello... I've been a long-time lurker here, but I've been in the bowl off and on for about three years.

The last time I saw her, she had a flat tire that she didn't get fixed for whatever reason, so she was using a portable air compressor to fill it when it got low. Well, she was trying to do this in my driveway at 11:00 pm, and I had to tell her to stop before she woke the neighbors. I made her go to a shopping center down the street to do it. She moved to Florida to live with other family members shortly after the last time I saw her, and I know she's been on backpage occasionally down there since then. She's also been arrested a few times too, including for drug possession. Not surprising at all.[/QUOTE]Welcome to the posting department Johnny. Tell us about what you have going on at present. We all live vicariously and learn from each brother's success and failure.

If you have read the entire thread you will recognize your early SB as a classic Nando 1 . It is too bad that these girls spiral down the rabbit hole. Hopefully some of them recover and become productive and happy citizens. Many stay mired in the pursuit of a free ride and never recover. They can only ride on their looks and sex appeal for so long before father time catches up with them.

[QUOTE=Johnny5;2061573]

Talking about identifying potential SBs
.[/QUOTE]Friends & brothers.

I am back to see if I can fin new SB. Was out of the game for past 6 month or so. Well...first few hits and getting msgs like.

"hey there, I'm interested in spending some nights with you in a hotel room with strawberries and champagne. We can be naughty, after all your my daddy.

My allowance for the first "playtime" will be $.

Email if interested".

WOW..sounds pros all over. I have seen Richmond is drying up or may be SBs are either pro or not much into the game.

In my last report, I was dismissing my sub SB and was beginning the seemingly endless quest to find the next girl for my arrangement. I am extremely picky, so it takes me a long while to find the right one. In no particular order, here are some of the girls I have (or have not) met with these past couple weeks. Some girls came from SA, some came from CL:

*HCB POT: Met with her for a M&G, and she was super cute, girl next door look that I crave. We seemed to hit it off really well and we both agreed to see each other again and she said she'd text me her schedule. I never heard from her, so I sent her a nice text asking if she was still interested. Her iMessage showed that she read it, but she never replied back. I figured she changed her mind or whatever, so I let her know through a nice message on SA that I enjoyed meeting with her and that if she would like to meet up again, just let me know. I really liked her and wished things had progressed beyond a M&G with her.

*Masseuse POT: Had an alt chick who does massage therapy contact me, who was really interested in my offer. Our first M&G actually consisted of me going to the legit spa she works out of and having her giving me really, really good Swedish massage, with some extra wandering of her hands. The best M&G I have had yet, by far. We met a few days later for a FC date, but she wasn't just submissive (as she knew I wanted her to be), she was passive. She just laid there and didn't do much of anything. I have ED issues already, and her not doing anything to help killed it for me. Little FotoGuy barely got erect. I gave her a generous gift and have been back in to see her for another massage since then, but this one was way less sensual than the previous one. I still plan on getting massages from her on a regular basis because she's really good at it, but I don't see us having another FC date.

*Flaky POT: A girl who lives a half-hour away was interested in my offer, so I drove out there to pick her up as she got out of work. As I pull in the parking lot, she texts me saying she needs to go home and shower. I ask her if I'm waiting here or how are we working this? After long pauses and brief texts, she tells me she's already home and she'll be ready in another 3 hours! I promptly drive the 30 minutes back home, during which she is texting me saying she's sorry and would like to see me on her day off. I accept her apology and we make plans again, but this time I'm telling myself that I will not be making the drive back out there unless she texts me first on the day of to confirm. Sure enough, she goes radio silent and I didn't have to make the drive back out there only to be potentially stood up by her again.

*Nerd POT: Met a girl on SA who lived 90+ minutes away and we had a genuine, true connection. Similar tastes and interests. We didn't discuss any arrangement for a few days, we just chatted like new friends who had a lot in common and we made plans to meet on the weekend, just under a week away. A few days before the meet, she texts me and asks for details on what kind of arrangement I would offer her. I cite the long distance between us and that it would affect how often we would be able to meet, but I genuinely like her so I give her a generous offer. She seems very appreciative and indicates that that will work. The next day, she's not responding to my texts and I then see she is blocking me on SA and FB. I still have no idea what her problem was, but at least she pulled that shit before I drove 3 hours for a M&G.

*Sporadic texts POT: A girl trying to go to college and support herself with part-time work contacted me and seemed very interested in offer. Over the next week, communication was VERY sporadic. Then earlier today she contacts me and is looking to set up a dinner date for middle of this week, as she is in another state getting some medical treatment. She then asks me for a favor, she needs immediate financial assistance to stay in the hotel room she's been in. She promises to repay me, sends me some nudie pics as collateral. At first I'm going to do it, because she's not asking for much. Then I realize she has no idea what I look like or even how old I am. I have absolutely zero guarantee that she'll pay me back at all, let alone in the way I'd like her to pay me back, because neither her nor I know if she is sexually attracted to me at all. So I tell her no, I'm not advancing money to someone I haven't even met yet. She didn't like that and I haven't heard back from her yet, and I'd be surprised if I hear back from her at all, let alone have a M&G with her this week like we discussed.

*College POT: Nice enough girl, met for dinner. She assured me in texts that the arrangement would be mutually beneficial, but there has been no discussion at all of specifics. We are planning on meeting up later this week, but no discussion of what kind of a date we're having. She's really attractive and I like her, but I have no idea where this particular relationship is going.

I'm currently planning a trip to the Windy City over my upcoming 3-day weekend, so I've been vigorously trying to find some attractive girls to keep me company while I'm there. If that happens, I will bring back a report.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2062921]If you have read the entire thread you will recognize your early SB as a classic Nando 1 .[/QUOTE]Yes, she was definitely a Nando 1, It's unfortunate, but I learned and moved on.

As for more recent pursuits:

1. In October, I was trying to get over a relationship, so I was looking around on craigslist. I answered an ad that was primarily talking about being a submissive in a dom / sub relationship, but she tacked on at the end something about looking for a SD as well. I told her that I had no dom / sub experience, but I was open to figuring that out, and I was open to helping her out if she needed. She e-mailed me back shortly after, then we started texting, and after a couple of days we met for a late dinner. She looked just like her pictures: petite, blonde hair with glasses, 28 years old, divorced, no kids, and had a full-time job (but it didn't pay a whole lot). And it was just very normal hanging out with her. We alluded to the SD / SB thing but didn't talk about money, and at the end of the night there was a lot of passionate kissing. I couldn't wait to get her into bed then, and even more so after she had sent me a bunch of pictures of herself while we were texting late the following night. A couple of nights later we met up, and it was great. There was no sugar mentioned or exchanged.

She and I met about once a week, and it became more like a friends with benefits kind of thing -- we would start out hanging out and talking, watching tv, etc., then we would head to the bedroom. About a month after we met, she asked me for help paying her student loans, which were a ridiculous amount per month (especially considering the school / degree she received). So I told her what I could give her, and she was appreciative for that. I gave her sugar the following month too, but not again after that. The cost per visit ended up very reasonable. She brought no drama or other major issues. However, in February she received a promotion that required her to move to another state, so our time together had to end. We always knew that it was going to be a temporary thing, but I still miss her.

Nevertheless, I renewed my profile on SD4 me in February. (They double charged me using two different website names, so I had to dispute that. Definitely take the advice to use disposable gift cards, which I had done before but the little head made the decision first). I sent messages to a bunch of potential babies, got responses from most of them, but only three were anything.

2. Redhead medical assistant. She actually contacted me first. There was not an instant attraction based on her profile and pics, but I decided to continue talking with her, and we ended up texting then an impromptu meet-and-greet during my lunch one day. She claimed to be 26 (a later internet search gave me reason to doubt that), and she said that she had a job at a local doctor's office but had her hours cut significantly. She quickly jumped right into the money discussion. I told her what I was willing to help her out with and how often, and she said that would be fine. She told me about a previous SD who she had in college who would give her 3 k / month, and I wondered who she suckered into doing that. Anyway, after lunch she and I went outside to talk a little bit more. She was wearing a very low-cut shirt, and I had to check her out a little bit. But it didn't get any further, not the least because I had to return to work. She asked me for some sugar after giving me a story about a car title loan she had to make payments on. I figured it would be an advance of our first meeting in the FC that evening, so I just went ahead and gave her the money. After work, I texted her and she gave me some excuse about why she couldn't meet up.

It wasn't until the weekend (a couple of days later) that she asked me if she wanted to meet up. She texted me in the morning and gave the impression that she was basically ready to go and could meet up within an hour or so. That worked for me, so I got myself ready, then I waited. And waited. And waited. I texted her several times to find out what was going on, and when I got an answer much later it was nothing more than something like "I'm on my way." Never mind that I had things to do besides her. Oh, and she also asked if I was able to help her with the amount that we had discussed previously. Ugh. About six hours later she finally arrived and gave me a story about why she couldn't leave immediately, and she said she got lost. But she was there. So I led her into the FC, and we got comfortable. However, all I could think about was how annoyed I had been that she had been late, and that I had other things to do after she left. Then she asked to turn all the lights off. I obliged, but I like being able to see what I'm doing, so that was another negative. And the whole experience was just eh. The next week I told her that I didn't know when I would be able to see her, and she texted me a few more times but I didn't respond. I didn't want to deal with it.

But just this past week, another member here posted to offer information about this same girl to others as a UTR escort (with pictures). I assume that she approved of it, but I guess the sugar world alone wasn't enough for her. I may have dodged a bullet. Although as an escort, she would probably be great.

3. AA new to area. This one was supposedly a 23 year old mother who said she had moved to the area a month ago. Her profile was pretty well written, and she said she was looking for a close friendship and not just a transactional thing. Ok with me. In talking some more, she claimed to need money for daycare for her child so she could look for a job. It seemed a reasonable amount, so ok. Then one evening we were texting, and she asked if I wanted to talk on Skype. We talked for an hour. She apparently had her child in the same room, so it was kind of awkward. Before she moved to this area, she said she had been a webcam girl. Her profile on Skype also listed her age as 10 years older than what she had told me, and she did look old for 23. So there were some red flags. A few days later, she asked me when we would be able to meet up. I told her I didn't know, and we haven't talked again since. I am comfortable with it.

4. College baby. A 21 year old college student. She kept remarking about how normal I seemed to be when I contacted her. Apparently a lot of other guys on there are very offputting. After exchanging messages through the site a few times, we started texting. A couple of weeks later, we met for dinner / drinks. She said she had never done anything like that before and was worried that I was going to expect to sleep with her on the first date. I told her that this was just going to be dinner. She was about a 6 or 7 in looks, but I thought definitely cute. She is a full time student and works as a waitress on weekends and some other nights. We ended up spending a few hours together just talking, and I definitely want to see her again so we can advance things toward the FC. However, getting to see her again has proven to be a challenge to say the least. A couple of times we have made tentative plans only to have her back out at the last minute. Right now I've decided to cool things off, and if she wants to come to me, then we can talk.

That's pretty much it for me. Hopefully there will be more possibilities in the near future, but the bowl doesn't get replenished around here as often as some areas.

Pregnancy update. She sent me an official looking statement that detailed the abortion costs and everything. I'm just waiting on confirmation from her two week checkup that she's no longer pregnant before I send the money for it. I'll pay $400 to keep from paying for 18 years, but I don't think I'm ever going to meet with her again.

On another note, I met a potential SB for frozen yogurt. I thought we were meeting for just yogurt, but she suggested we go get a room after we were finished. We did and I received the most amazing BJ that I have ever had (I don't really want to have sex after that scare). It was a pornstar BJ with deep throating and a little gagging. She was really hot. Nursing major, 5'9 with see cups. Everything went downhill after I finished and asked for another one 10 minutes later. She said she was really tired and she put a lot work into that. I asked again and she got really offended. We hung out in the hotel room and watched a movie. She left and I never heard back from her again. She went radio silent. Disappointing, but that was amazing head.

I have two more potentials. A 5'10 stunner who's auditioning to be an NFL Cheerleader and a sexy Alabama girl that graduated college last December.

[QUOTE=Donwhite;2063165]Pregnancy update. She sent me an official looking statement that detailed the abortion costs and everything. I'm just waiting on confirmation from her two week checkup that she's no longer pregnant before I send the money for it. I'll pay $400 to keep from paying for 18 years, but I don't think I'm ever going to meet with her again.

On another note, I met a potential SB for frozen yogurt. I thought we were meeting for just yogurt, but she suggested we go get a room after we were finished. We did and I received the most amazing BJ that I have ever had (I don't really want to have sex after that scare). It was a pornstar BJ with deep throating and a little gagging. She was really hot. Nursing major, 5'9 with see cups. Everything went downhill after I finished and asked for another one 10 minutes later. She said she was really tired and she put a lot work into that. I asked again and she got really offended. We hung out in the hotel room and watched a movie. She left and I never heard back from her again. She went radio silent. Disappointing, but that was amazing head.

I have two more potentials. A 5'10 stunner who's auditioning to be an NFL Cheerleader and a sexy Alabama girl that graduated college last December.[/QUOTE]As good as some of them are in the BJ dept, I only have one that can last a decent length of time (and she is so proud of it). When they say they are tired I just tell em to suck my balls. Never been turned down yet. But any girl that gets offended is not someone you really want to see again.

I'm envious of you guys who are satisfied by a finely crafted BJ. Unfortunately I cannot get off with one and only fucking will do it for me. I have to have the whole package including eating some sweet pussy. The latter is a good way to evaluate the girl's vaginal health because I examine her manually and visually for bumps, blisters, and stinky discharge. If they pass the taste and smell test then I am deep diving with little Fred.

[QUOTE=Donwhite;2063165]Pregnancy update. She sent me an official looking statement that detailed the abortion costs and everything. I'm just waiting on confirmation from her two week checkup that she's no longer pregnant before I send the money for it. I'll pay $400 to keep from paying for 18 years, but I don't think I'm ever going to meet with her again.

On another note, I met a potential SB for frozen yogurt. I thought we were meeting for just yogurt, but she suggested we go get a room after we were finished. We did and I received the most amazing BJ that I have ever had (I don't really want to have sex after that scare). It was a pornstar BJ with deep throating and a little gagging. She was really hot. Nursing major, 5'9 with see cups. Everything went downhill after I finished and asked for another one 10 minutes later. She said she was really tired and she put a lot work into that. I asked again and she got really offended. We hung out in the hotel room and watched a movie. She left and I never heard back from her again. She went radio silent. Disappointing, but that was amazing head.

I have two more potentials. A 5'10 stunner who's auditioning to be an NFL Cheerleader and a sexy Alabama girl that graduated college last December.[/QUOTE]Having been through the pregnancy scare scam a couple of times, they do a sonogram of the fetus which there should be documentation of. Ask her for proof. And go with her to the clinic and wait inside to make sure. A girl I used to mess with tried to get me for $600 saying she was pregnant and she wanted me to just drop her off at the clinic with $600. I insisted on going in with her. Well it turns out she wasn't pregnant and I saved a few hundred bucks and got the satisfaction of showing her she couldn't run that scam on me.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2058439]Interesting site, what do you mean if a message is not sent, ie they wink first or can they send you an email not sure what you mean thanks.

Oh on SA you can sure by location, which seems to semi sort by login date now finally, or by near me and sort by login date also they have a good intro price[/QUOTE]I mean you do not have to spend money (credits) to access the POTs email if they have not sent a message. I only accept dates if they send a message with the acceptance of my offer. Seems to weed out a lot of flakes.

So I had a really busy week last week, I saw my young regular, but I could not make my schedule work with my Columbian cutie and it was her birthday week. On her birthday I managed to arrange to see her before work to give her a little gift. She comes back out and tells me that her boss has given her the afternoon off and we can meet for a drink. So on to the neighborhood Chilies where though out the conversation she is sliding her foot up and rubbing my crotch. Finally I was so hot we paid the tab and moved my SUV over to the Lowes parking lot to "make out a little" She was in a short skirt, so next thing you know we are in the back seat and my face was buried between her knees giving her another birthday gift. Then she whips me out and returns the favor, eventually climbing on in reverse doggie and banging the shit out of me.

All of this in broad daylight in a busy parking lot with cars driving by.. I have to be careful with this one, I might end up on the news. That latin blood, thought I would share a little with you guys [ATTACH=CONFIG]313517[/ATTACH].

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2063391]I'm envious of you guys who are satisfied by a finely crafted BJ. Unfortunately I cannot get off with one and only fucking will do it for me. I have to have the whole package including eating some sweet pussy. The latter is a good way to evaluate the girl's vaginal health because I examine her manually and visually for bumps, blisters, and stinky discharge. If they pass the taste and smell test then I am deep diving with little Fred.[/QUOTE]I've never, ever been able to get off with oral either.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2063391]I'm envious of you guys who are satisfied by a finely crafted BJ. Unfortunately I cannot get off with one and only fucking will do it for me. I have to have the whole package including eating some sweet pussy. The latter is a good way to evaluate the girl's vaginal health because I examine her manually and visually for bumps, blisters, and stinky discharge. If they pass the taste and smell test then I am deep diving with little Fred.[/QUOTE]I guess I make three. BJs are great, but they are always a precursor to the main event, never the whole show. This has been something of an issue with SO's in the past. They feel like they aren't doing something right because they can't make me cum. The upside is that they try REALLY hard to get me there.

The visual vaginal health exam is one of the reasons I don't trust a girl who wants to turn off the lights. Hell, I don't even want "mood" lighting. If she is sexy enough that I want to take her clothes off, then I want to see her in all of her glory. Not some shaded, shadowy figure.

Just got this response to my CL ad:

"I'm XXXXXX and I am interested in marrying you. Why have a Sugar baby and you can have someone to spend the rest of your life with. I will give you sex weekly and all you have to do is take care of me. I want kids so we can try for them next year. My pussy is tight so it might take a while for me to warm up to you. Text me at XXXXXXXXX if interested".

She didn't attach pics with this response, but she's responded to my ads before with pics attached, and she is not at all attractive. I didn't want her as my SB, let alone my wife. SMH..

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2064054]Just got this response to my CL ad:

"I'm XXXXXX and I am interested in marrying you. Why have a Sugar baby and you can have someone to spend the rest of your life with. I will give you sex weekly and all you have to do is take care of me. I want kids so we can try for them next year. My pussy is tight so it might take a while for me to warm up to you. Text me at XXXXXXXXX if interested".

She didn't attach pics with this response, but she's responded to my ads before with pics attached, and she is not at all attractive. I didn't want her as my SB, let alone my wife. SMH..[/QUOTE]I'm going to go with likely someone pranking his buddy on that one.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2063749]I've never, ever been able to get off with oral either.[/QUOTE]CIM is my preferred way to deliver the man-yogurt, but whether or not I can do it (or maybe I should say how fast) really depends on the girl. When I was in high school I found the average GF didn't know how to do it with enough skill for me to get off, but with a little bit of mental focus I got to the point where I could.. I started just imagining it was a really skilled 25 year old slurping away. At the time I didn't really know how to coach them toward giving a better BJ but now I do. Usually if they allow themselves to get a little sloppy with it and let some saliva drip down it, and use their hand to stroke the lower part of it, it's hard to go wrong. Problem is that many of them either don't know how to do that, or they know to do it and just don't want to come across as a super skilled BJ sloot, or they just forget to do it, or they just aren't motivated to do it. So, a little coaching goes a long way.

I'll never forget this little Peruvian college baby I met in a nightclub (not an SB, I was about 35 at the time and she was about 24, just bought her a few drinks and gave her a ride home). Outside the club after closing we got in the back of my car and she said "touching only" meaning no sex. Well I went down on her, she liked that, and when it was time for her to return the favor I got a BJ I will never forget. I find most girls don't know how to use both hands effectively, but this girl pumped and sucked me dry in no time, swallowing every drop. It was such a mind blowing blow job that I stayed fully erect afterward it never went down, and after maybe 5 minutes of talk while I'm sitting there with this awkward boner and my pants still around my ankles, she proceeds to go at it again with every bit of sloppy enthusiasm as the first time, making me pop again, and swallowing again. I didn't even know I could do that on a single boner.

The problems I run into most often have more to do with willingness to take the load in the mouth than anything else. I've had a history of them saying, when asked to take the load in the mouth, "I'm okay with doing it but not on the first date", etc... In other words they know the mouth money shot is what I really want, and they feel that they are giving more than they're giving, so they are usually trying to use CIM as leverage to get a longer term commitment from me.

One of the best GFs I ever had would do it right, and consistently. We would start off with mutual fucking positions like 69, mish, doggie etc. But then, for whatever reason in order for her to cum, she always needed to be cowgirl and in control of the motion, so she would just climb aboard and do her thing. I almost never cum in that position, but I'm happy for them to ride as long as they need to. But then after she got hers, she would hop off and suck me dry. There wasn't a lot of variety in our sessions but there didn't need to be, it was consistently some of the best sex I've ever had.

I really like hjs and bjs. I find them to be very relaxing and can finish with either if the woman has skills. Two sbs that I have met were the best I've ever had. The tilted kilt baby that I saw for about 4 months was the best ever at it. I'm embarrassed to say that she got me off in a minute before. She was extremely talented.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2064104]I'm going to go with likely someone pranking his buddy on that one.[/QUOTE]No, this girl has replied to my ads before with pics attached and even her college transcripts! She's not even a little bit attractive and she's always come off as a bit unhinged, so I've always passed on her. But this latest reply of hers to my ad trumps all her others, which were odd to begin with.

Great to see all the new faces around here!

I just wanted to give a brief update. A few months ago, I mentioned that I let my memberships expire on the SD sites and that I found two smoking hot SBs through CL. Well I'm happy to report both those SBs are still in my rotation. Both are flaky and I'm lucky to see them 1-2 times a month, but both are hot, petite, educated normal girls who have modest financial needs that it still works out.

CL Student.

One of them is 21 AA and a full-time student and very active in her student union at her university. Because of her busy schedule she doesn't have time for real relationships and she enjoys the stress-free companionship I give her via texts and I also help her out with a few of her expenses. But she also works and lives with her parents still, so she's not hard up for money, so she has never hit me up for money. I give it to her when I feel like it. Also she has only had one boyfriend before, so she's a little bit inexperienced but a very eager learner. I don't see her often, but we text lightly almost every day. She almost feels like a long-distance girlfriend. She's genuinely attracted to me, so that's partly why money hasn't been a big part of our relationship. I would like to see her more often, but she isn't costing me anything when I don't see her and I have other girls to fill in for her, so it's cool for now.

CL Teacher.

The other CL girl is 22 and a substitute elementary teacher believe it or not. Her body is a 10 and her face an 8. She's hot. And what makes it even hotter is that she's a nearby schoolteacher. I bet there a bunch of male parents (& teachers) at the school wishing they could bang her, but they can't, yet I am. Awesome feeling. She actually still lives with her parents, so her financial costs are also modest. I still can't quite figure out this girl. Sometimes she's into me and we meetup for amazing sex, and then she'll drop off the radar for a week and become distant. Then out of nowhere she's back in the saddle again. She's flaked on me several times as well. But she keeps coming back and she's so hot and easy to talk to when we're together, that I put up with it. I honestly don't know how long it will last. She thinks I'm a nice guy and likes me, but I can tell she's not 100% there. It's likely other personal issues that I can't see. I give it another month or two before she says she can't do it anymore. But I'm going to enjoy the ride while I can.

Another tactic I've been doing lately when I'm bored is browsing through escort ads and using my spidey-sense to determine which girls are low-volume / UTR and would be receptable to a SB / SD arrangement. Why target escorts who are often hardened, jaded, money-grubbing, and cold? Because sometimes you can catch that one girl who only posts an ad once every 4-5 months and then quickly disappears. They may have had some financial emergency and had a friend who convinced them to make some quick money over a couple weekends (enter, 2 girl special), but it's not something they want to do regularly or even have the time for. The appeal for me of these type of girls is that they're open-minded, generally sexually experienced, and know the laws of discretion. Often make good booty calls and can be more reliable than the typical SBs.

The challenge is figuring out which of them are still fresh to the game or too far gone. The ones that are too far gone, you'll always just be a client and things will be very business like. But with the fresh ones, it's still possible to have a more personal relationship. I've actually gotten the real Facebook pages of 3 escorts within the last two months without ever meeting them. So some of them aren't fully locked into the escort life and find the idea of a SD / SB arrangement appealing. With that in mind, I'll proceed with the second half of my update.

Escort SB 1.

I just started talking up with this one recently. She's mixed, half black / half asian, a spinner and beautiful face. She posts ads every 6 months or so. She goes to school, so that limits how much she can escort. She would prefer to have just one guy she can lean on for a few of her basic bills. We've texted a lot over the last couple of days and she's extremely personable, moreso than any escort I've talked to in recent memory. I sent her my pics and she said I was much more handsome than she expected, so I think she has a genuine attraction. We're suppose to meetup later this week and no discussion of money has been brought up yet. So actually might have the potential of being a legit SB and not just a booty call. That would be a first ever in my side-hobby of trying to convert escorts to SBs. So I'll let you guys know how the first meet goes later this week.

Former Escort SB.

This one is an interesting case. She actually used to escort a couple of years pretty heavily on Hx. She is an *extremely* hot AA, I'd say a perfect 10 in looks. Perfect hourglass frame, not too skinny, not too thick. Just perfect. The thing is, she's actually retired from escorting and has so for well over a year. Now she just does the occasional massage and gives the lucky dude a happy ending. We got along pretty well a couple of years ago, so we kept each other's number. I mentioned recently that I was in the market for a new SB and unlike a couple of years ago, now she was interested. She really doesn't want to escort again, but she's having some money problems again. So we're trying to do a "provisional" arrangement. I know her real identity and everything, and I've given her some money (not a ton though). The problem though is that she doesn't want to have sex. She'll do everything except for actual sex. I was really surprised to hear this at first, but she offered to return the allowance and said she just wasn't comfortable yet. I let her keep the money and just said we'll take things slow. Honestly, she's so hot that I don't mind spending time with her doing almost-sex. Plus she's a very nice girl and it really seems like she's trying to open up a new chapter in her life and I don't want to pull her back down. So we've been talking and I'm helping her with starting a legit massage business and getting a license.

So far this 2014 I've been taking the nontraditional route with SBs. Part of it is because I've had to tighten the belt financially, so I've had to alter my strategies and move to different fishing pools. But it's offered some very unique experiences so far.

I'm at a place in my hobbying life where I can only do booty calls. I miss the "relationship" but the warden has a pretty tight grip on the free time and money has been tighter than usual.

Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?

Speaking of BCs, I have a cute spinner who will pop over for a 15 minute session anytime I want . I save money on hotels by using a friend's place but we don't hang out for multiple rounds or playing. But for getting a nutt she is just right. Strip the clothes off, bend over, lay down, sit on the chair ++she's agreeable for whatever. And she will take a bareback load. The only complaint I have is even though she is a spinner, she has had kids and her once bodacious DDs are now empty sacks but at least with nice nipples attached. If I had the time and freedom to take her out for dinner and get a Notel room I'm sure she would hang out for longer play sessions.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2064375]No, this girl has replied to my ads before with pics attached and even her college transcripts! She's not even a little bit attractive and she's always come off as a bit unhinged, so I've always passed on her. But this latest reply of hers to my ad trumps all her others, which were odd to begin with.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Well I did see an ad on an SD site from an AA girl once that I couldn't tell if it was a joke or if it was for real, but in her ad she literally came out and said "I aint sleepin' with nobody I just want yo money! In the photos she was like 5'10", built like a man, with nothing about her that could be considered attractive, so I wanted to believe it was a hoax or maybe she was trying to sell people on her sense of humor but who knows.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2064547]I'm at a place in my hobbying life where I can only do booty calls. I miss the "relationship" but the warden has a pretty tight grip on the free time and money has been tighter than usual.

Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?

Speaking of BCs, I have a cute spinner who will pop over for a 15 minute session anytime I want . I save money on hotels by using a friend's place but we don't hang out for multiple rounds or playing. But for getting a nutt she is just right. Strip the clothes off, bend over, lay down, sit on the chair ++she's agreeable for whatever. And she will take a bareback load. The only complaint I have is even though she is a spinner, she has had kids and her once bodacious DDs are now empty sacks but at least with nice nipples attached. If I had the time and freedom to take her out for dinner and get a Notel room I'm sure she would hang out for longer play sessions.[/QUOTE]I only tried the CL route once several years back, maybe late 2010 or 2011. My GF and I were split up at the time and I did it more out of curiosity than anything else. At the time I was aware of some of the SD sites and talked to a few girls but was not involved in the bowl officially. The overall quality of pics I received was just well below my normal dating standard so I never followed up with them. It might have changed a lot since then but I just didn't see any stunners, and that's the type I'm targeting. My overall impression is that the SD sites attract more women and better looking ones, because the girls feel like they are reputable sites with some level of verification (credit card, etc) so they feel safer, especially with labels out there from the media like "Craigslist Killer" and so forth.

I guess both approaches have drawbacks. With the SD sites you have to filter out the GPS girls and the dreamers that think their pussy is worth $5000 a month standing allowance with flexible actual appearances, with CL you have to deal with druggies and serious nando types. I'm sure there are some occasional gems from CL but I just found my time was better spent on SD sites. I will try CL again one day maybe, especially if I have reason to believe its changed.

Why some SBs have more than 1 profile? Is it to get better fishing? Should SD do the same..?

[QUOTE=KingGreg;2064721]Why some SBs have more than 1 profile? Is it to get better fishing? Should SD do the same..?[/QUOTE]Profiles are free to the girls forever on SD4 M. And they soon figure out its the new girls that get most of the attention. I've seen pros with half a dozen over the years.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2064547]Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?[/QUOTE]The one time I responded to a CL ad that the girl in my area had posted, she was one of those girls who thought that she should paid for platonic friendship. Beyond that, I never see girls posting SB ads, not in my area anyway.

I post CL ads in cities that are within my driving distance and then screen the replies. That's been my main and best source of girls, actually. SA has almost always been very hit or miss for me, the one exception has been when I went to Vegas for a vacation, then SA was a gold mine. But within my area, SA girls have a tendency to be GPS, flaky, or only want platonic friendship at first or exclusively (or a combo of those three traits). With the girls that reply to my CL ads, I sometimes have to wade through crap, but eventually a diamond will come through.

[QUOTE=FotoGuy1970;2064895]The one time I responded to a CL ad that the girl in my area had posted, she was one of those girls who thought that she should paid for platonic friendship. Beyond that, I never see girls posting SB ads, not in my area anyway.

I post CL ads in cities that are within my driving distance and then screen the replies. That's been my main and best source of girls, actually. SA has almost always been very hit or miss for me, the one exception has been when I went to Vegas for a vacation, then SA was a gold mine. But within my area, SA girls have a tendency to be GPS, flaky, or only want platonic friendship at first or exclusively (or a combo of those three traits). With the girls that reply to my CL ads, I sometimes have to wade through crap, but eventually a diamond will come through.[/QUOTE]I have never been too lucky on CL. But I did get a reply from a not so fine girl a month or so ago. She was so close by and had her own place in a good part of town, so I went for it. I was so not into it when I saw her pics that I only offered .5 and she accepted. She is a 5/7/10/9. So what I gave up in looks I made up for in attitude and skills. Seen her twice so far. I will see her again. It's strictly a one hour, clothes off immediately, all about me session with a normal working 27 year old white girl that just wants to have a little fun and get paid. No harm in that.

I am still posting so we will see if I can get any luckier.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2064942]I have never been too lucky on CL. But I did get a reply from a not so fine girl a month or so ago. She was so close by and had her own place in a good part of town, so I went for it. I was so not into it when I saw her pics that I only offered .5 and she accepted. She is a 5/7/10/9. So what I gave up in looks I made up for in attitude and skills. Seen her twice so far. I will see her again. It's strictly a one hour, clothes off immediately, all about me session with a normal working 27 year old white girl that just wants to have a little fun and get paid. No harm in that.

I am still posting so we will see if I can get any luckier.[/QUOTE]Hollywood, what kind of verbiage do you use for a public ad? I'm sure once you get a response you shoot them your intro letter but getting them to nibble at the hook is the 1st step.

Since I'm a BC guy right now I might try CL or BP. I know the grass is always greener -but it must be nice to have all the time you need to date these babes and spend as much or as little time as you want.

My BC girl is a hit and run. If only her body were not wrecked by babies and she wanted to stay and snuggle a little I would be more thrilled. She is down to $75 now so I feel like she is good value for what I get.

I recently came across a little gem from the Richmond area and though I would share with the fellas who got this board started. It has given me invaluable advice along the way and seeing as my life is too hectic to get down to are-Vegas on a regular basis I figured I would help the girl out and pass along her info (with her permission of course) to a couple "friends".

She is tight little package at 19 LOVES sex and is a STONE COLD FREAK!! LOL.

I'm sure here isn't much you could come up with that would phase her. Her asking price is $$ and will come down a bit for a multi-hour session. Seniors drop me a note and I will forward along the info. Here is a pic to entice the senior members from the Richmond DC area. And hopefully motivation to share some of their own.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2064983]Hollywood, what kind of verbiage do you use for a public ad? I'm sure once you get a response you shoot them your intro letter but getting them to nibble at the hook is the 1st step.

Since I'm a BC guy right now I might try CL or BP. I know the grass is always greener -but it must be nice to have all the time you need to date these babes and spend as much or as little time as you want.

My BC girl is a hit and run. If only her body were not wrecked by babies and she wanted to stay and snuggle a little I would be more thrilled. She is down to $75 now so I feel like she is good value for what I get.[/QUOTE]I just say I am interested in one thing only. Something specific. Like "petite black girl" or "someone that loves to cuddle and kiss" or "older guy seeking girl for daddy / daughter roleplay". And just keep it brief. Mention that I am a businessman and ask then to tell me their story. Maybe I can help out with some bills or expenses.

I would say its easy to get responses. But finding the tru non pros. Not so easy. Mostly UTR. or just not cute enough. At least on the SD site you can see their pic first.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2065166]I just say I am interested in one thing only. Something specific. Like "petite black girl" or "someone that loves to cuddle and kiss" or "older guy seeking girl for daddy / daughter roleplay". And just keep it brief. Mention that I am a businessman and ask then to tell me their story. Maybe I can help out with some bills or expenses.

I would say its easy to get responses. But finding the tru non pros. Not so easy. Mostly UTR. or just not cute enough. At least on the SD site you can see their pic first.[/QUOTE]Did Craigslist ban & filter out terms like sugarbaby / sugardaddy? Back when I tried, I basically used both and it went through (but that's been at least 3 years). None of the girls I got responses from were interesting enough for me to reply, but none of them seemed like pros. One was kind of like a competitive body builder type (lol... well I did say I needed fit ladies in my ad, but she wasn't what I had in mind and had a face like Arnold Schwartzeneger), one worked at a bank and went to college part time, etc.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2064547]
Re: CL, those who have success do you 1) put up an ad yourself and screen respondents or 2) respond to their ad?
[/QUOTE]I post an Ad. In the last 3-4 years I've posted CL ads, I've never gotten a viable reply from responding to someone elses Ad. Granted, I put less energy into responding to ads, but it always felt like swimming up stream with bunch of other Salmon. When you post an Ad, the fish come to you. Then it's just a matter of filtering out those responses.

The biggest tip I can give is just to experiment regularly. Keep changing your copy and trying different things. CL is so hit or miss and the quality generally isn't there. But the upside though is that there aren't too many legit SDs browsing CL, so the majority of your competition are creepers, freaks, and flakes. If you can show a CL girl that you don't fall into those groups, and that instead you're a normal guy who will actually give them money legit, then you can find some nice undiscovered gems. Or at the very least a cheap booty call.

What's funny is that several months ago when I first met my CL Teacher SB, I went into our first date thinking she would just be a booty call because from her pictures she looked like a 6 at best, just slightly above average. She doesn't take very good photos and non of them show off her body. So unfortunately I didn't put much effort into our first date, but when I saw her in person, her face was much better in person and when I saw her naked my jaw hit the floor. Petite white girl with bubble butt and perfect set of perky see cups. From that moment on, I've been desperately trying to hold on to this girl. But her pics were definitely deceiving and I could see how she might have gotten overlooked by other guys.

[QUOTE=JohnGSmith;2065389]I post an Ad. In the last 3-4 years I've posted CL ads, I've never gotten a viable reply from responding to someone elses Ad. Granted, I put less energy into responding to ads, but it always felt like swimming up stream with bunch of other Salmon. When you post an Ad, the fish come to you. Then it's just a matter of filtering out those responses.

The biggest tip I can give is just to experiment regularly. Keep changing your copy and trying different things. CL is so hit or miss and the quality generally isn't there. But the upside though is that there aren't too many legit SDs browsing CL, so the majority of your competition are creepers, freaks, and flakes. If you can show a CL girl that you don't fall into those groups, and that instead you're a normal guy who will actually give them money legit, then you can find some nice undiscovered gems. Or at the very least a cheap booty call.

What's funny is that several months ago when I first met my CL Teacher SB, I went into our first date thinking she would just be a booty call because from her pictures she looked like a 6 at best, just slightly above average. She doesn't take very good photos and non of them show off her body. So unfortunately I didn't put much effort into our first date, but when I saw her in person, her face was much better in person and when I saw her naked my jaw hit the floor. Petite white girl with bubble butt and perfect set of perky see cups. From that moment on, I've been desperately trying to hold on to this girl. But her pics were definitely deceiving and I could see how she might have gotten overlooked by other guys.[/QUOTE]Having posted some ads on CL for a non pro that was just horny and seeing the responses I would say in my case at least it would be a total waste of time to pursue those types of ads. The time factor to get noticed would make it almost impossible. But posting ads does get responses. Its just the selection isn't as good as on an sd site. But maybe a little more eclectic for lack of a better word. But I am going to keep posting. But definately no shortages on the sd sites.

Having cut back a bit the last few weeks I missed a date with a real hottie due to flaking on my part which turned her off. But there are always more. Timing really is almost everything with meeting these girls. When you snooze you lose.

For what it's worth, I posted a CL ad in the talent section for attractive women needing help paying their bills and put in the text that they needed to be non-pro and open minded. I ran it for a couple weeks and got a number of pro responses that were obvious and ignored, one single mom that I saw a few times and another single mom that was totally hot but flaked out about what she was doing after we had one FC session. The one I saw several times would still be in the rotation but she tended to attract drama.

When considering SD site alternatives, also don't overlook POF (the free dating site) for possibilities. During my recent yearly SD'ing run, I set up a profile with a particular strategy in mind, to basically bulk mail younger ladies in specific regions, specifically those looking for casual encounter type dating, and just tell them in my opening e-mail that I was looking for an SD / SB type arrangment. I never actually got around to seeing what sort of response I would get, simply because I only had a 3-4 week timeframe to work with and within a couple of days on the SD sites I already had more POTs than I could sort through, figuring out which ones to see in which cities and planning the trips and so forth. If I were a year-round SD, I would definitely add POF to the toolbox.

It is not going to produce as high a success ratio as the dedicated SD sites, but there are some advantages: (1) you get to see her pics / profile before you approach (2) She's almost certainly not a pro (3) what's the worst that can happen? She doesn't respond. Don't spend time on a custom note for each one, bulk message them the same schpiel and see if you get a bite. Only time lost is searching profiles and if you're SDing full time you're doing that anyway. (4) even if you never hear from the girl, you are unwittingly helping the SD cause overall, because you're planting the idea in dozens or hundreds of girls' mind that they could be SB material. They may not have made up there mind that's what they want now, but they won't forget the idea and you just might see the same girl showing up on SD4 ME or whatever a year or two later when she gets in over her head with credit card debt or whatever. Fertilizing the turf a little bit for future growth never hurts.

I wrote here before about a hot nurse I met a few years ago that had a rockin' bikini body and became a good friend with benefits (no money from me, just two friends who enjoy fucking). First time I met her in person we went to dinner then out clubbing, we were on maybe the second cocktail and she starts telling me what a sloot she likes to be in the bedroom and what I was in for that night. Not only did she make good on that promise, she promised to never get clingy and just enjoy the sex and she made good on that too. I found her on that site, so I have complete faith that with some patience / diligence good things can be had there.