[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c063f377-7bc2-4eba-9a0a-47c5144b44f3[/URL]
She is a scammer. Trust me, I know from personal experience. Unfortunately.
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[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c063f377-7bc2-4eba-9a0a-47c5144b44f3[/URL]
She is a scammer. Trust me, I know from personal experience. Unfortunately.
[QUOTE=SunMoonStars11;5432764][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c063f377-7bc2-4eba-9a0a-47c5144b44f3[/URL]
She is a scammer. Trust me, I know from personal experience. Unfortunately.[/QUOTE]Excessively long profiles are usually (and generally speaking) a red flag.
Is M&G meet & greet? If it is not, what is it?
What is FC?
Is SB snapback? If it is not, what is it?
Has anybody met a gal by using SeekingArrangements by sending money to her before meeting her?
[QUOTE=LooknFobbfscip;5433178]Is M&G meet & greet? If it is not, what is it?
What is FC?
Is SB snapback? If it is not, what is it?
Has anybody met a gal by using SeekingArrangements by sending money to her before meeting her?[/QUOTE]Sup everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster. Thought I start contributing.
MG = meet and greet, FC = Fuck chamber, SB = sugar baby.
For your last question, probably yea. But the chances are also real slim because its prob a scam. You'll learn to almost NEVER send any sort of payment or deposit before meeting. In my experiences, only true SBs will accept payments AFTER the meet / session. The ones that don't are either lookin to scam / rob you, or are pros. Everytime I've paid beforehand I've either been scammed or robbed of services in my experiences (which isn't much tbh).
Things I've learned and red flags as well.
Super photoshopped or doesn't seem legitimate pics = sketch.
No social media = sketch.
Asking for deposits or payments before meeting no matter what excuse they give = sketch.
They shoot you their number quick to also take conversations offline = they've done this before and aren't new to the game.
They offer a crazy menu right off the bat and promise you the world = sketch. This is where I get in trouble the most.
You meet them at a motel / hotel = sketch or a pro.
Longer their bio, higher chance of having GPS (golden pussy syndrome).
For example:
Nataliababyxo (blocked her so no link, location states LA, but really in riverside off tyler / magnolia at a motel).
So I just send everyone pretty much the same basic generic message. Might throw in a twist here or there depending on profile.
Her response: Hey baby you seemed to grab my attention if interested in meeting with me text me at at 657-XXX-4427 xoxo.
Hit her up, ask her ppm, she says 500 for 3 hours full service. And this is where I ask if they're open to other things like BBFS, swallow, CIP, CIA, knowing that either most or all will be denied. If so then ill offer a lower ppm. She said she'd do it all, on birth control, yada yada, so nothing for me to counter. I was all excited thinking "no way did I hit jackpot?" but like they say if its too good to be true it prob is. So my horny dumbass sets up the appt, drives my ass an hour out to riverside to some shady ass motel. I scope out the place first because I'm a paranoid ass, and spidey senses were tingling. Some sketchy people around since the place is already kinda shady, but no activity near the room number she finally gave so said fuck it. Went to her room and the fun begins.
Opened the door in lingerie. Didn't quite look like her pics, but still workable, just like 20 pounds heavier. Fuck it I thought, her face is kinda cute, and not like she's fat, just thick. I could work with this, esp with that menu. She asks and I give her the cash before anything begins or clarifying anything in person because I'm blinded by the menu I thought I was going to get and thought I had already made things clear with her over text. I get on the bed, and she asks if I want to turn over for the massage. I'm like nah I'm good, ill just skip straight to the fun. She gives a bs surprised stare saying she don't do that and only offer massages. I'm like I literally just talked to you earlier, we even snapchat vid called last night for face verification, was it not you I was texting? Etc. She says theres other people / her booker on the number, she doesn't set shit up, and more bs. She says hold on and begins "texting her boy / booker" she gets a call and supposedly talks him down on his crazy ass coming to the room and fucking me up or something. "No don't do that, don't do that to him, don't do anything crazy, if any shit happens the room is in my name" etc. I'm not a big dude at all, but by this point I was so pissed and annoyed on having my time wasted and being scammed again (I've got other stories, and its always getting suckered into some bs menu), I wasn't budging on not having my donation back. Not this time damn it! I just felt if this fucker shows then ill decide then if I want to square up if he's unarmed or just take the L if he is. If I take the L then I'm coming back with a brick through the window later. * can have it charged to her card lmao. I go to the area where I saw her put the donation, tho I don't know where, and she gets between me. Told her I'm leaving with at least some of it (if she gave it all back right then and there I prob would have given her 100), but shit drags on saying she can't do that she'll get in trouble, blah blah blah. I tell her I'm sorry for what her boy / booker set her up, but that's something for her to deal with her boy for putting her in that situation. Either she's honoring the menu that was given, or I'm taking at least half the donation back. She gets on her phone again and does the same trick in trying to scare me into leaving with her fake conversations. Think she was bluffing tho because I never heard a noise on the line, just her talking. This happens a couple times but I'm still standing there waiting for my shit back or someone to come in.
I try sweet talking her into anything past a massage but its still no. Felt her up a little bit mainly trying to move her aside so I can find / grab my cash but she ain't about it. Finally she gives in on giving half the donation back with no services, not even a massage, because she could tell I wasn't getting scared or going to leave empty handed I think. She pulls the cash out from where she hid it and started counting out half. I just snatched that shit right out of her hands, had already put my socks and sandals on, and bounced TF out. Didn't see no booker or whoever outside but wasn't waiting around to find out. Got in my car and left. I got real lucky this time on actually leaving with my full donation. Either case, it was my fault for thinking with my dick on some PSE type menu at a crazy rate.
Point of the story when it comes to SA: never pay for shit before meeting unless you trust her like that. Don't let your dick take over and ignore the red flags if somethings off. Just like how there's an average rate on agencies or HX, there is also one on SA. If you get anything below those rates, you either got lucky (which has happened to me before but never Hollywoodguy lucky at 100, only like 200-250) or have to meet in person first before trying to set shit up (something I've never done. I always just try to set shit up because I'm not really tryna go through the whole M&G).
Happy hunting out there and stay safe.
[QUOTE=LooknFobbfscip;5429254]FirstClass1, when do you free up mailbox space? How often do you free up mailbox space? You replied to 1 of my direct messages and I cannot respond back.[/QUOTE]I've made more room in my inbox. DM away.
[QUOTE=NutritionFacts;5431085]How do you open with DMs on twitter / ig for freestyle sugaring?[/QUOTE]Exactly the same as any first approach on SA or elsewhere. Remark on their profile, photos and activities to demonstrate interest, convey charm and personality, and propose a meet.
[QUOTE=SunMoonStars11;5432764][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c063f377-7bc2-4eba-9a0a-47c5144b44f3[/URL]
She is a scammer. Trust me, I know from personal experience. Unfortunately.[/QUOTE]I recommend taking screenshots and posting them here. Scammer accounts don't last long, and will create new accounts as soon as they get taken down. If you see the crook pop up again, re-share her info.
[QUOTE=AMonger1;5433738]Sup everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster. Thought I start contributing.
MG = meet and greet, FC = Fuck chamber, SB = sugar baby.
For your last question, probably yea. But the chances are also real slim because its prob a scam. You'll learn to almost NEVER send any sort of payment or deposit before meeting. In my experiences, only true SBs will accept payments AFTER the meet / session. The ones that don't are either lookin to scam / rob you, or are pros. Everytime I've paid beforehand I've either been scammed or robbed of services in my experiences (which isn't much tbh).
Things I've learned and red flags as well.
Super photoshopped or doesn't seem legitimate pics = sketch.
No social media = sketch.
Asking for deposits or payments before meeting no matter what excuse they give = sketch.
They shoot you their number quick to also take conversations offline = they've done this before and aren't new to the game.
They offer a crazy menu right off the bat and promise you the world = sketch. This is where I get in trouble the most.
You meet them at a motel / hotel = sketch or a pro.
Longer their bio, higher chance of having GPS (golden pussy syndrome).
For example:
Nataliababyxo (blocked her so no link, location states LA, but really in riverside off tyler / magnolia at a motel)..[/QUOTE]Unfortunately it worked on me smh. That being said. I agree with everything in this post. I've come to the same conclusions myself. Always trust your gut no matter what.
[QUOTE=AMonger1;5433738]Sup everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster. Thought I start contributing.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your contribution, and for sharing your story. While some cretins will try to drag you for what you've shared, I think it's more helpful to see where you can prevent such a scenario from reoccurring.
I strongly recommend any newcomers to the Sugar Bowl to visit the Richmond, Virginia forum's sugaring threads. Contributors from around the country have shared exhaustive, step by step advice on how to have successful sugar dates, as well as how to prevent various unpleasant situations. Knowing this is essential to preventing the countless rob and scam scenarios that are found on all dating platforms today.
Mongering habits don't fully translate into sugaring. When mongering scenarios happen within a sugar context, know that you're dealing with a pro, very likely a rob.
Sugar babies don't have menus, only hardened prostitutes set all sorts of rules. A non pro will have her preferences, and will accommodate you if she's into you.
As you mentioned, never give any money before the action: tricks do this, but not SDs. There's absolutely no reason to send money electronically before a date. Turning down a cash allowance is an obvious red flag.
Trust your instincts: anyone proposing a first date in a shady hotel is a pro, and possibly also a rob. A normal girl will be concerned for her safety, and will often want to meet in a public setting at first. A pro knows her pimp is a phone call away and is used to daily drama.
Mongers may settle for a bait and switch, an SD would immediately end the date. You did well in doing a video call before the date, but it's a pointless measure if you "settle" for a different girl, who is obviously part of a crew.
Thankfully you were able to recover your cash in this situation. I recommend reporting these rob profiles before blocking, so that the crews are kept at least partially in check.
[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5434305]Mongering habits don't fully translate into sugaring. When mongering scenarios happen within a sugar context, know that you're dealing with a pro[/QUOTE]This crosses my mind quite often. So many SD's start off some where else, the AMP, the street, or wherever. While there is a lot of cross over, the goal for most SD's, the guys that don't really partake elsewhere, is to find the newbiest girl possible, the kind you would never meet anywhere else. You really need to come at these girls a bit differently. Trying to explain it all is a bit too much, and there are so many stories on other threads on this platform to learn from. While any girl that accepts money for sex can be referred to as a prostitute. There is a different vibe that can be found sugaring. For me is was just about going on too many dates to count until I found the groove I was looking for. Sometimes they really are the girl next store, or just a wild child raver girl, a broke girl, a girl just sick of young guys, and sometimes an experienced pro with maybe a softer more generous personality. But the best advice I can give is to just dive right in. Get burned a few times. So what? Because once you figure it out, you may find it's exactly what you were really looking for all along.
"Have you seen my wishlist? View Here".
So I guess this is defaulting into every profile now.
Everyone I've messaged has GPS it seems. Even the average looking ones. This is just sad, man. How did it get this bad?
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;5434909]Sometimes they really are the girl next store, or just a wild child raver girl, a broke girl, a girl just sick of young guys, and sometimes an experienced pro with maybe a softer more generous personality. But the best advice I can give is to just dive right in. Get burned a few times. So what? Because once you figure it out, you may find it's exactly what you were really looking for all along.[/QUOTE]Agreed. No two arrangements are alike, as both people bring their different backgrounds and objectives to the table. That being said, when both come together in good faith, looking for the promise of a great connection. Be it purely physical or with good chemistry and compatibility. It is a fantastic experience.
Hardened, soulless tricks like taser guy below may do better with the bargain basement, gutter trash than clean normal girls, but the various sugar platforms will offer something for everyone. Sugaring offers the opportunity to connect with gorgeous young women and have a far more satisfying time than can be offered by any pro.
[QUOTE=JackMiles;5435285]Everyone I've messaged has GPS it seems. Even the average looking ones. This is just sad, man. How did it get this bad?[/QUOTE]There are guys willing to pay the high price. It causes inflation for the average joe.
[QUOTE=OcasianBoy;5435436]There are guys willing to pay the high price. It causes inflation for the average joe.[/QUOTE]You're absolutely right. I mean 5's are asking for 5. Come on now!
[QUOTE=JackMiles;5435285]Everyone I've messaged has GPS it seems. Even the average looking ones. This is just sad, man. How did it get this bad?[/QUOTE]Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the problem is an influx of John's, used to the escort scene. There they are trained to never say no. The "p*ssy sets the price" is the mantra.
They take this stupid approach with them to SA, and don't realize that arrangements are negotiable.
Anyone think there is some truth to this?
FirstClass1, instead of decreasing your inbox space I'll tell you here. I should have excluded the word still at the bottom of my latest DM to you.
I mentioned I've been talking to this girl the last 2 wks and we agreed upon 4. 5. Today we were supposed to get a room. I booked the room this morning and just a few minutes ago went to the ATM. The bank reported unusual activity so it locked my card. I log in to the app and verify recent transactions. Meanwhile I'm texting her that I'm running late do to an issue. Go back to the ATM and my card is locked again. I call the bank and while I'm on hold I text her the situation. She went cold blooded fast. She said this is a red flag, get my money, we agreed upon cash, I'm not going anywhere till you have it, this is so unattractive. Finally I clear it up with the bank the service for booking the room was out of state and that caused it. Anyway after everything she said I told her never mind that I'm going home. She said that's it your blocked and thanks for wasting my time. Maybe it was a blessing instead. No way I'm begging someone to let me pay them.
[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5436259]Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the problem is an influx of John's, used to the escort scene. There they are trained to never say no. The "p*ssy sets the price" is the mantra.
They take this stupid approach with them to SA, and don't realize that arrangements are negotiable.
Anyone think there is some truth to this?[/QUOTE]I believe you are correct.
One can argue that many tricks are a variation of the simp, that is, they allow the girl. Or more specifically, the girl's "boyfriend" pimp. To set the price to play, and the rules to do so. On the other hand, an SD is aware that he has the ultimate say: should the woman truly want the consistent allowance and pleasant company of a successful man, she will accommodate his desires.
That being said, many of us are willing to go with a higher allowance for an especially beautiful and passionate woman, particularly because it means pricing out most of the bottom feeders: the knuckle dragging tricks that want SBs but also go bare with high volume intravenous-using escorts, potbellied streetwalkers on Fig, unwashed homeless on Skid Row, and other dysgenic, high-risk human refuse. It is the same reason why people who can afford it go to Equinox rather than Planet Fitness, or Spago rather than Dominos: the quality and the exclusivity.
There will always be outliers, and you may find a fresh beautiful novice who will agree to a modest allowance. And as always vet the girl to your own standards: plain, fat and frumpy girls with baggage who ask for 500+ deserve to be sent away with laughter.
[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5436259]Maybe I'm wrong, but I think the problem is an influx of John's, used to the escort scene. There they are trained to never say no. The "p*ssy sets the price" is the mantra.
They take this stupid approach with them to SA, and don't realize that arrangements are negotiable.
Anyone think there is some truth to this?[/QUOTE]Guys have always ruined everything. Years ago you never heard the escort terminology used from a Sugar baby. Then escort guys show up an you get them asking for specific price for a blow job or how much for an hour. Its been around so long now it's standard. Escorts found their way to the sites and and guys knowing they were escorts immediately dubbed them babies. Working from motels, quoting quickies or specific acts LOL. Yeah guys ruin everything.
[QUOTE=TheHuntsman;5436921]I mentioned I've been talking to this girl the last 2 wks and we agreed upon 4. 5. Today we were supposed to get a room. I booked the room this morning and just a few minutes ago went to the ATM. The bank reported unusual activity so it locked my card. I log in to the app and verify recent transactions. Meanwhile I'm texting her that I'm running late do to an issue. Go back to the ATM and my card is locked again. I call the bank and while I'm on hold I text her the situation. She went cold blooded fast. She said this is a red flag, get my money, we agreed upon cash, I'm not going anywhere till you have it, this is so unattractive. Finally I clear it up with the bank the service for booking the room was out of state and that caused it. Anyway after everything she said I told her never mind that I'm going home. She said that's it your blocked and thanks for wasting my time. Maybe it was a blessing instead. No way I'm begging someone to let me pay them.[/QUOTE]By the mere fact that this girl agreed to show up at a hotel room without having met you, she must be a pro. That being said, her reaction is understandable, as there are tricks that will refuse to provide the allowance after a trip to the FC.
I'd recommend not booking the room until you've actually met the girl and know if you're into each other. Otherwise you have no idea who will show up, and it can become a "bait and switch" or a "cash and dash" situation.
[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5438782]By the mere fact that this girl agreed to show up at a hotel room without having met you, she must be a pro. That being said, her reaction is understandable, as there are tricks that will refuse to provide the allowance after a trip to the FC.
I'd recommend not booking the room until you've actually met the girl and know if you're into each other. Otherwise you have no idea who will show up, and it can become a "bait and switch" or a "cash and dash" situation.[/QUOTE]We had actually done a m&g 2 weeks ago and been texting daily. Idk maybe it's just the entitlement idk.
Some red flags I look for also to weed out these "working pros" are all the hotel selfies, or motel selfies. You can't miss those old school air conditioners near the floor under the window those are classic AC's at the motels I used to use in Compton like the Bradfield, Lark, etc way back in the early 2000's. Any motel or hotel selfie I'm out, any girls with face tattoos I'm out, and if they start shooting off prices from the first few texts I'm out. Those will usually always be a pro-type of encounter. I try to meet for coffee or something first and if they are really newbies they are usually cool with that, then one thing leads to another and it's a non-pro experience. This is purely my encounters I'm sure they are different for everyone but usually, I get a feel after few texts and a mandatory phone call to see how they sound and talk. I had one girl the other day reply to me and sent her number, she was 18 and a barista she claims, was cool on the phone. Her account was made like 3 days prior (but probably had previous accounts based on how she spoke on text later on) claimed she met her first guy the night before and gave him a BBBJ CIM. I said ok let's meet for coffee after she gets off work, she said cool. Then, we hang up and she starts into "what are you looking for" and then said she has a lot of other customers LOLLLLLL hitting her up, as soon as she said that word customer I told her you're not a barista, you are a hooker and I was done and blocked her. Just my recent experience, she was definitely not new to it quoting prices and using the word customer. I told her good luck and blocked her.
Stay safe.
AD.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;5437145]Guys have always ruined everything. Years ago you never heard the escort terminology used from a Sugar baby. Then escort guys show up an you get them asking for specific price for a blow job or how much for an hour. Its been around so long now it's standard. Escorts found their way to the sites and and guys knowing they were escorts immediately dubbed them babies. Working from motels, quoting quickies or specific acts LOL. Yeah guys ruin everything.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5438782]By the mere fact that this girl agreed to show up at a hotel room without having met you, she must be a pro. That being said, her reaction is understandable, as there are tricks that will refuse to provide the allowance after a trip to the FC.
I'd recommend not booking the room until you've actually met the girl and know if you're into each other. Otherwise you have no idea who will show up, and it can become a "bait and switch" or a "cash and dash" situation.[/QUOTE]I have done a few M&G's in the parking lot of a no-tel. Mostly I ended up booking the room after. But a couple times I passed.
[QUOTE=Alkalinedio;5439339]Some red flags I look for also to weed out these "working pros" are all the hotel selfies, or motel selfies. You can't miss those old school air conditioners near the floor under the window those are classic AC's at the motels I used to use in Compton like the Bradfield, Lark, etc way back in the early 2000's. Any motel or hotel selfie I'm out, any girls with face tattoos I'm out, and if they start shooting off prices from the first few texts I'm out. Those will usually always be a pro-type of encounter. I try to meet for coffee or something first and if they are really newbies they are usually cool with that, then one thing leads to another and it's a non-pro experience. This is purely my encounters I'm sure they are different for everyone but usually, I get a feel after few texts and a mandatory phone call to see how they sound and talk. I had one girl the other day reply to me and sent her number, she was 18 and a barista she claims, was cool on the phone. Her account was made like 3 days prior (but probably had previous accounts based on how she spoke on text later on) claimed she met her first guy the night before and gave him a BBBJ CIM. I said ok let's meet for coffee after she gets off work, she said cool. Then, we hang up and she starts into "what are you looking for" and then said she has a lot of other customers LOLLLLLL hitting her up, as soon as she said that word customer I told her you're not a barista, you are a hooker and I was done and blocked her. Just my recent experience, she was definitely not new to it quoting prices and using the word customer. I told her good luck and blocked her.
Stay safe.
AD.[/QUOTE]My 2 cents on pros. I have met a few really nice ones on seeking over the years. Non rush, most everything on the menu, sweet nice girls. If they are my type in the face, but mostly the body I don't really care. A few did become regulars for a bit. Not all seasoned pros are alike. And many were one offs but so have a lot of inexperienced girls. I have not met a new girl in maybe a year now due to no funds. But I still have two I see regularly that moved to more of a friend basis. One is more like a PT GF and does sleep overs and the other has her own money from dancing and still lives with the folks. I am kinda stuck with them for now till things pick up. Both have menu limits, but beggars can't be choosers.
[QUOTE=TheHuntsman;5436921]I mentioned I've been talking to this girl the last 2 wks and we agreed upon 4. 5. Today we were supposed to get a room. I booked the room this morning and just a few minutes ago went to the ATM. The bank reported unusual activity so it locked my card. I log in to the app and verify recent transactions. Meanwhile I'm texting her that I'm running late do to an issue. Go back to the ATM and my card is locked again. I call the bank and while I'm on hold I text her the situation. She went cold blooded fast. She said this is a red flag, get my money, we agreed upon cash, I'm not going anywhere till you have it, this is so unattractive. Finally I clear it up with the bank the service for booking the room was out of state and that caused it. Anyway after everything she said I told her never mind that I'm going home. She said that's it your blocked and thanks for wasting my time. Maybe it was a blessing instead. No way I'm begging someone to let me pay them.[/QUOTE]I don't think her reaction was out of line. I'd have made up some other reason I'm running late other than having problems getting access to cash. It does sound like she's a straight-up pro, though.
I'd also recommend NEVER booking a room with an ATM card. Always use a credit card, and never let anything have access directly to your funds.
I once had my ATM card skimmed, and they snagged about $3 K, hitting gas station ATMs over a few days before my bank was smart enough to alert my oblivious ass. Canceled everything, and they put the money back into my account, but it was still a little inconvenient chatting on the phone to get it all straightened out.
I think you and I are in the exact same boat. If I had the funds to be lavish and sample the pros and NP's alike I probably would to be honest. The truth is, funds for me personally are barely hanging on right now due to the past year and half as well. Some people the past year their business increased, and are doing strong I am so happy for them. Unfortunately, my line of work very different polar opposite but it's ok I'm still happy and as you said, beggars can't be choosers I've learned to improvise! Nice to hear you managed to get a longer term thing with those, good on you.
Stay safe,
AD.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;5439984]My 2 cents on pros. I have met a few really nice ones on seeking over the years. Non rush, most everything on the menu, sweet nice girls. If they are my type in the face, but mostly the body I don't really care. A few did become regulars for a bit. Not all seasoned pros are alike. And many were one offs but so have a lot of inexperienced girls. I have not met a new girl in maybe a year now due to no funds. But I still have two I see regularly that moved to more of a friend basis. One is more like a PT GF and does sleep overs and the other has her own money from dancing and still lives with the folks. I am kinda stuck with them for now till things pick up. Both have menu limits, but beggars can't be choosers.[/QUOTE]
This girl lives far from me if anyone is interested. Was going to meet and greet but didn't want to drive far out so I asked what she was seeking. Not my price range but seems real based on the vibe I got from her. Looks hot. Must be baller status, otherwise, don't bother.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d29ab5d7-5a90-4c11-9560-0d6186243097[/URL]
She seems TGTBT.
[QUOTE=CreamFire;5441346]This girl lives far from me if anyone is interested. Was going to meet and greet but didn't want to drive far out so I asked what she was seeking. Not my price range but seems real based on the vibe I got from her. Looks hot. Must be baller status, otherwise, don't bother.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d29ab5d7-5a90-4c11-9560-0d6186243097[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PropLA;5444493]She seems TGTBT.[/QUOTE]I would share pic of hot SB I have had but too risky. I have no idea who monitors this site. And recently, I seem to have been followed when I was with a regular SB so definitely not worth it to prove something to people I'll never meet here.
[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5438782]
I'd recommend not booking the room until you've actually met the girl and know if you're into each other. Otherwise you have no idea who will show up, and it can become a "bait and switch" or a "cash and dash" situation.[/QUOTE][URL]Dayuse.com[/URL] is great for this situation. You can book pretty nice hotels during the day at reasonable rates, often Hiltons and similar chains. Availability has improved compared to pre-Covid times. "Daytime" includes happy hour at many hotels, you can rent until 8 or 9 in the evening.
Say you are doing a M&G at noon, maybe getting lunch. Book a room on Dayuse for a 12-6 slot and tell them you will check-in 2:00. No deposit required on the website, pay at the hotel. Once you meet the girl, you will know pretty quickly if you are going to the FC with her that day. If not, or if she is a no-show, as long as you cancel the hotel by 2:00, no problem and no charge. If you cancel after your check-in time there is still no charge, but if you do it too often, you will have problems with the website and they may cancel your membership. If you tell the hotel you will arrive at 2:00 and show up at 1:00, they always have a room for you, so make the check-in time on your reservation the latest you expect to get to the hotel.
Its very smooth to have the hotel all set and it makes it easier to get your SB there. The girls also are in a much better mood to provide good service in a nice hotel than in some roach motel (which may not be much cheaper anyway).
[QUOTE=DogBert77;5446129][URL]Dayuse.com[/URL] is great for this situation. You can book pretty nice hotels during the day at reasonable rates, often Hiltons and similar chains. Availability has improved compared to pre-Covid times. "Daytime" includes happy hour at many hotels, you can rent until 8 or 9 in the evening.
Say you are doing a M&G at noon, maybe getting lunch. Book a room on Dayuse for a 12-6 slot and tell them you will check-in 2:00. No deposit required on the website, pay at the hotel. Once you meet the girl, you will know pretty quickly if you are going to the FC with her that day. If not, or if she is a no-show, as long as you cancel the hotel by 2:00, no problem and no charge. If you cancel after your check-in time there is still no charge, but if you do it too often, you will have problems with the website and they may cancel your membership. If you tell the hotel you will arrive at 2:00 and show up at 1:00, they always have a room for you, so make the check-in time on your reservation the latest you expect to get to the hotel.
Its very smooth to have the hotel all set and it makes it easier to get your SB there. The girls also are in a much better mood to provide good service in a nice hotel than in some roach motel (which may not be much cheaper anyway).[/QUOTE]Same for [URL]hotelsbyday.com[/URL]. The reservation does not require a credit card, but if you are sure and pay in advance, you get $10 off. Their rates are like 100 for a nice hotel for the 9 or 10 to 3 or 4 time frame. For a Holiday Inn away from the big city, more like 70.
[QUOTE=DogBert77;5446129][URL]Dayuse.com[/URL] is great for this situation. You can book pretty nice hotels during the day at reasonable rates, often Hiltons and similar chains. Availability has improved compared to pre-Covid times. "Daytime" includes happy hour at many hotels, you can rent until 8 or 9 in the evening.
Say you are doing a M&G at noon, maybe getting lunch. Book a room on Dayuse for a 12-6 slot and tell them you will check-in 2:00. No deposit required on the website, pay at the hotel. Once you meet the girl, you will know pretty quickly if you are going to the FC with her that day. If not, or if she is a no-show, as long as you cancel the hotel by 2:00, no problem and no charge. If you cancel after your check-in time there is still no charge, but if you do it too often, you will have problems with the website and they may cancel your membership. If you tell the hotel you will arrive at 2:00 and show up at 1:00, they always have a room for you, so make the check-in time on your reservation the latest you expect to get to the hotel.
Its very smooth to have the hotel all set and it makes it easier to get your SB there. The girls also are in a much better mood to provide good service in a nice hotel than in some roach motel (which may not be much cheaper anyway).[/QUOTE]Agreed, motels in LA can be only $20-30 less than a hotel stay, the latter being magnitudes more comfortable and secure. And as Dogbert mentioned, girls appreciate a a clean and comfortable FC. Dayuse and hotelsbyday are both great services, and work very well as already described.
I've used Hotels Tonight for many years, as they provide a good quality selection at far better rates than most booking sites. Being a regular customer, I get deep discounts and promotional rates, at times $100-200 less than the next lowest competitor. When meeting for an afternoon or evening date, I've often booked the room at the end of the M&G when the girl has consented and is DTF; a few swipes on the app and we're off to the races.
Here are some basic guidelines for newer SDs to save time and money.
1. Never send any money before meeting. Not one cent. Only scammers will ever ask for money before meeting. Never accept "online arrangements until we can meet," gas money requests, etc.
2. Never pay for a meet and greet: no play, no pay. Your time is far more valuable than that of any rinser.
3. Should the profile not have any full body pictures, or use all sorts of wacky filters, request unedited full body photos or a video call before meeting. Fatties and fuglies will zoom in on their face and use deceptive angles and filters to conceal how gross they truly are. Don't let a catfish waste your time.
4. Set expectations ahead of time, be clear and confident about what you are looking for. Never settle for less, or allow her to move the goal posts. Girls appreciate clarity and your direction.
5. Don't get stuck on any one chick, expecting her to be "the one. " Many girls can be fickle, always keep more in the pipeline.
6. Make sure to tell your potential SB that you are looking for a regular that appreciates you and wants to make you happy, whatever it takes to please you. This is to ensure she gives it her all. Whether you actually intend to continue seeing her is up to you, but this keeps away time wasters and discourages bad lays.
7. Meet & greets should be in a setting with an easy out, preferably a casual setting such as meeting for coffee, ice cream, drinks. Lunch or dinner can be awkward if a fat / ugly chick that you don't want to be around shows up. You select the place to meet: don't have a gold digger or rinser drag you to a high end restaurant, or a rob direct you to a place where your defenses are neutralized.
8. Don't be afraid to discuss expectations beforehand, but move this off site as soon as you can. Use neutral terms on the site, and at the beginning of texting to avoid bans and suspensions. Once the girl demonstrates she's DTF, be as transparent as you like.
9. Never pay any cash at the beginning of the date. Always after visiting the FC to avoid cash and dash, or bait and switch situations.
10. Keep talking and texting to an efficient minimum, moving the conversation to an in-person date as soon as you can. Otherwise momentum will be lost, and time wasted.
11. You call the shots, you set the terms, this is your arrangement. You are a sugar daddy, not a trick. There are more WGs on the site since FOSTA made it harder for them to operate elsewhere, but do not let them set the tone. Never accept a prostitute's rules, or more specifically, her pimp's rules. If she drops escort terminology or rules, report her ass and keep her in Skid Row for the chumps.
12. Remain tenacious and alert: online dating is a minefield, but there are still gems to be found. Trust your instincts: if something feels off, it probably is. If things feel great, keep a guarded optimism until reaching the FC.
13. Report all scammers to the site, and post a warning on this forum with pictures, especially if she's a rob or blackmailer.
14. Have fun and stay positive, approaching each interaction on its own terms. Have a friendly and approachable profile: any negativity in your profile can deter a connection with many quality girls. Keeping a comfortable environment and good vibes will increase your chances of success.
Feel free to share more tips here. Happy Hunting.
I'm not sure if it's just me or the women that have been on SA this month but I've been looking for something during the week while my live in situation with my old SB but current roommate (well she lives in my townhome) works Mon. Fri and travels for work.
I've met about 3 absolutely 7/8/9's who were Asians for dinner and got to just take them back to my place for a small amount allowance wise.
Met with a Latina last night. Killer body, ended up and my place. Got nothing from me and wants to meet next Friday.
Tonight have another Asian I'm going to be meeting and she's got that ABG style.
The date I'm looking forward to is this other Latina on Saturday, meeting for sushi and drinks. I didn't believe her photos were real so we FaceTimed (made an excuse that I wanted to get to know her and see how we vibed). Easily a 9 in LA. Down to meet twice a week for 2.5 k.
It's been a run fellas and I hope you're feeling it too.
[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5470608]13. Report all scammers to the site, and post a warning on this forum with pictures, especially if she's a rob or blackmailer.[/QUOTE]I don't agree with this one, only because I do not want to draw any attention to my profile for any reason from admin.
[QUOTE=Dsteezy;5471732]I'm not sure if it's just me or the women that have been on SA this month but I've been looking for something during the week while my live in situation with my old SB but current roommate (well she lives in my townhome) works Mon. Fri and travels for work.
I've met about 3 absolutely 7/8/9's who were Asians for dinner and got to just take them back to my place for a small amount allowance wise.
Met with a Latina last night. Killer body, ended up and my place. Got nothing from me and wants to meet next Friday.
Tonight have another Asian I'm going to be meeting and she's got that ABG style.
The date I'm looking forward to is this other Latina on Saturday, meeting for sushi and drinks. I didn't believe her photos were real so we FaceTimed (made an excuse that I wanted to get to know her and see how we vibed). Easily a 9 in LA. Down to meet twice a week for 2.5 k.
It's been a run fellas and I hope you're feeling it too.[/QUOTE]Twice a week for $2,500. As they say, there is no $1,250 hooker, only a $1,250 john. Got to love nonpros.
Have a few girls on SA in the LA that are great and only want a nominal allowance. DM for trades.
[QUOTE=Xeson;5473446]Have a few girls on SA in the LA that are great and only want a nominal allowance. DM for trades.[/QUOTE]Seriously?
I wish everyone would follow these guidelines. I agree with HG on #13. I will block people if they turn hostile but I avoid fights. I don't hesitate to block people who I think might try to retaliate on me with a false report to admin. I post my local forum on dangerous people: blackmailers / robbers. I often warn about rinsers, time-wasters and scammer but only via private DM's. I never post successes. In the past, guys have raced to report ME to the SB mentioned screwing up my play.
Just an odd mention: I have turned some of the scammers into penpals. A lot of them are from East Europe. I speak Russian and can spot a slavic accent easily. These guys work in shifts so they can text any time of the day and night and the personality and language skill shifts can be abrupt. I know: too much time on my hands. LOL!
Bam.
[QUOTE=FirstClass1;5470608]
13. Report all scammers to the site, and post a warning on this forum with pictures, especially if she's a rob or blackmailer.
Feel free to share more tips here. Happy Hunting.[/QUOTE]