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[QUOTE=Blackfire;3627091]Is this similar to Seeking Arrangements? What are you finding the average cost to be? What is the "date"like?[/QUOTE]I'll add my two cents. I have been on and off SA for years. As has been stated it requires a bit more work and is a bit more expensive. It all depends on what you "seek". I like the info gained through the profiles and ability to chat with these women before meeting. Pictures are real and you pretty much know what to expect. I have done both allowance and a per date donation. Prefer per date. I tend to hook up with what would be comparable to high end escorts so my costs are higher than you need to go BUT is well worth the effort and money IMHO. Have met and enjoyed some terrific women. As I said, it depends on what you are looking for. Quick hit so to speak ("I am paying them to fuck me and leave") then BP and other escort sites would be best, but if you are looking for a true GFE then these arrangements will deliver. While at the end of the day there really is no difference (pay to play) the women generally don't see it that way. Play along, show respect and it makes a big difference in how you interact, especially in bed!

I'm not familiar with SA. But it's probably similar to SB. My ladies and I have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. There has to be some mutual chemistry to make it almost real and work. Most dates involve some dining or shopping followed by intense mutual pleasing sex for the both of us. It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.

[QUOTE=Blackfire;3627091]Is this similar to Seeking Arrangements? What are you finding the average cost to be? What is the "date"like?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3627109]I'm not familiar with SA. But it's probably similar to SB. My ladies and I have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. There has to be some mutual chemistry to make it almost real and work. Most dates involve some dining or shopping followed by intense mutual pleasing sex for the both of us. It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.[/QUOTE]Sounds like you're not married. For those of us that are, we need a quicker date. I'm staying off BP too and have been somewhat successful with my fake FB page. Chatting with Lilliana's mom right now. She's a nice MILF. Something might happen. Like you mentioned, it takes time, they know I'm married so they know I don't have all day to go shopping.
Some FB connections are easier than others. Found this in my message box the other day.
I also heard u might be interested in a lady friend occasionally?? And do u happen to knw anyone looking to get tattooed?? I do them...

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3627086]On a lark I tried using Secret Benefits a couple of months ago. I am happier, calmer, and safer now that I quit using BP, Craigslist, etc. I have met two wonderful ladies who I now see on a regular basis. These ladies are just as horny as I am! It takes more time and effort initially to establish trust and find out our mutual needs and wants, but it has worked out great for me. If you're looking for more than a "slam bam thank you maam" experience I suggest you give it try.[/QUOTE]Seems more expensive than seekingarrangements- it looks like at the lowest tier it cost $5. 90 to start a conversation with a girl with no guarantees that she will even respond. On seekingarrangements you pay around 70 a month and for that month you can talk to a thousand girls if you want- also on the android and iPhone app of seekingarrangement you can buy just a week for around 40 dollars. It looks like they have a lot of the same girls as well but also some new ones. Maybe the best is to have membership at both.

Autumn's phone is back on.

Digits and password for senior members.

Has anyone seen Lea Velvet lately? Now that I'm back in the game I'm thinking about seeing her if she's still around. I have her number already but just thought I'd see if anyone has seen her recently before I reach out?

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3627109]I'm not familiar with SA. But it's probably similar to SB. My ladies and I have more of a boyfriend / girlfriend experience. There has to be some mutual chemistry to make it almost real and work. Most dates involve some dining or shopping followed by intense mutual pleasing sex for the both of us. It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply. Didn't really answer the cost question though. Do you pay a monthly allowance, an how much typically? Your description of the coming black Friday sounds like between shopping (a few hundred? Lunch ($50) an a room ($100) you might be in the $500 range for a day with a nice lady?

[QUOTE]it looks like at the lowest tier it cost $5. 90 to start a conversation with a girl with no guarantees that she will even respond[/QUOTE]Yikes. Say standard is $600. Say I have to hit up 3 gals to end up meating 1 (not just meeting). That's $1,800. Quite a fee.

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3627109]It costs more than just having a quickie with a BP girl, but it's way more mentally and physically satisfying for us both. They don't mentally view themselves as "hookers". We view each other as FWB. For example, this coming "Black Friday", I will be spending the day going shopping with one of my ladies for Christmas presents for her two young children, we'll get some lunch, and rent a room and then fuck our brains out for a couple of hours. She goes home with a smile on her face and presents for her kids, and I go home happy and safe with a big smile on my face.[/QUOTE]It sounds not like a FWB, but a Sugar Daddy where she does become a real friend if it continues for a while (cha-ching, tho). I wouldn't put that merely as something more expensive than a "60 m visit" to a BP girl for a GFE with 2 pops and chilling in the hotel together. Upon shopping for them & taking them out, do you pay them too at the end (assuming you did a healthy amount of buying stuff for them)? To me, that'd be the deal breaker of consideration if it was anything too significant. If I spent $250 on gifts, $50 on lunch bill, $100 on the room after taxes / fees for an outing -- I wouldn't want to throw down $400 for a couple hours banging. Total: $800 (not counting % of initial website cost to get the ball rolling). I spend half the time shopping For her could be fine for me if executed indirectly, if said cost of shopping just covered an expensive escort experience at a hotel, as the latter would be had as a "thank you".

Basically, I wouldn't want to pay for a Pricey GFE at the mall, then after, have to pay a Pricey GFE in a hotel. BUT, if I was truly rich (not just able to afford it to an extent with budgeting), I guess I wouldn't care so much. .

To start a conversation on Secret Benefits you to have buy credits. I paid $150 into my account with SB for 500 of their conversation credits. I am now regularly fucking two very hot and horny women and I still have around 280 credits in my account. Not a bad deal IMHO.

The arrangement I have with this lady is that I pay for occasional shopping, dining, etc on a per date basis. About once a week we fit a date into our busy schedules.

I do not pay her extra for the actual 1 or 2 hour pure sex time. So this coming Friday it will cost me around $300-$400 for an all day date which will include a couple hours of fucking and sucking.

My number 2 lady is paid directly pay for play. We get together about once a week. $200 per session which could last up to 3 hours depending on our schedules. We also do lunch dates where we just talk and hang out and enjoy each other's company.

[QUOTE=Charlie441;3628217]Yikes. Say standard is $600. Say I have to hit up 3 gals to end up meating 1 (not just meeting). That's $1,800. Quite a fee.

It sounds not like a FWB, but a Sugar Daddy where she does become a real friend if it continues for a while (cha-ching, tho). I wouldn't put that merely as something more expensive than a "60 m visit" to a BP girl for a GFE with 2 pops and chilling in the hotel together. Upon shopping for them & taking them out, do you pay them too at the end (assuming you did a healthy amount of buying stuff for them)? To me, that'd be the deal breaker of consideration if it was anything too significant. If I spent $250 on gifts, $50 on lunch bill, $100 on the room after taxes / fees for an outing -- I wouldn't want to throw down $400 for a couple hours banging. Total: $800 (not counting % of initial website cost to get the ball rolling). I spend half the time shopping For her could be fine for me if executed indirectly, if said cost of shopping just covered an expensive escort experience at a hotel, as the latter would be had as a "thank you".

Basically, I wouldn't want to pay for a Pricey GFE at the mall, then after, have to pay a Pricey GFE in a hotel. BUT, if I was truly rich (not just able to afford it to an extent with budgeting), I guess I wouldn't care so much. .[/QUOTE]

But I have peace of mind knowing who I am playing with. We all know the creepy feeling we get when we knock on a door and we don't know what or who is standing behind it. My ladies are real single moms who care about and love their kids. They have real full time jobs, they are not strung out mentally insane junkies looking for their next fix. They are just as horny as I am and they want sex with someone who they are at least somewhat attracted to and will treat them with dignity and respect and fuck their brains out. Its a win-win for both of us. It takes more time, more effort, and more money. But the long term return on investment on my part is well worth it IMHO.

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3628385]To start a conversation on Secret Benefits you to have buy credits. I paid $150 into my account with SB for 500 of their conversation credits. I am now regularly fucking two very hot and horny women and I still have around 280 credits in my account. Not a bad deal IMHO.

The arrangement I have with this lady is that I pay for occasional shopping, dining, etc on a per date basis. About once a week we fit a date into our busy schedules.

I do not pay her extra for the actual 1 or 2 hour pure sex time. So this coming Friday it will cost me around $300-$400 for an all day date which will include a couple hours of fucking and sucking.

My number 2 lady is paid directly pay for play. We get together about once a week. $200 per session which could last up to 3 hours depending on our schedules. We also do lunch dates where we just talk and hang out and enjoy each other's company.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3628427]But I have peace of mind knowing who I am playing with. We all know the creepy feeling we get when we knock on a door and we don't know what or who is standing behind it. My ladies are real single moms who care about and love their kids. They have real full time jobs, they are not strung out mentally insane junkies looking for their next fix. They are just as horny as I am and they want sex with someone who they are at least somewhat attracted to and will treat them with dignity and respect and fuck their brains out. Its a win-win for both of us. It takes more time, more effort, and more money. But the long term return on investment on my part is well worth it IMHO.[/QUOTE]Thanks, that helps me understand a bit better. Sounds like a good option for a single guy who either can't get or doesn't want a "real" girlfriend and has quite a bit of cash to burn to still have the girlfriend experience, not just on a sexual level. There is a type of relationship available for every need these days.

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3628427]But I have peace of mind knowing who I am playing with. We all know the creepy feeling we get when we knock on a door and we don't know what or who is standing behind it. My ladies are real single moms who care about and love their kids. They have real full time jobs, they are not strung out mentally insane junkies looking for their next fix. They are just as horny as I am and they want sex with someone who they are at least somewhat attracted to and will treat them with dignity and respect and fuck their brains out. Its a win-win for both of us. It takes more time, more effort, and more money. But the long term return on investment on my part is well worth it IMHO.[/QUOTE]I agree. I am on S. A. And have three arrangements. The first gal is a single mom. I help her with groceries and a couple of small bills now and then. We meet bat her place twice a month for three hours of hot sex. The second one is a college age gal. She loves to suck cock. I buy her some of her books each semester. Other than that we meet onece a week for a great blowjob. The third gal is actually married. 29 years old and just wants sex at a hotel or the hot tubs twice a month. She is drop dead gorgeous. Diesntnwant to leave her husband or ruin her marriage. There is no charge at all fie this lady.

[QUOTE=Pete3854;3628663]I agree. I am on S. A. And have three arrangements. The first gal is a single mom. I help her with groceries and a couple of small bills now and then. We meet bat her place twice a month for three hours of hot sex. The second one is a college age gal. She loves to suck cock. I buy her some of her books each semester. Other than that we meet onece a week for a great blowjob. The third gal is actually married. 29 years old and just wants sex at a hotel or the hot tubs twice a month. She is drop dead gorgeous. Diesntnwant to leave her husband or ruin her marriage. There is no charge at all fie this lady.[/QUOTE]Guys,

There is much more to this class of provider than most of us realize at first. It takes a bit of money, and a lot of patience, persistence, and hard work. Most of the ladies are not even what we'd consider UTR. They do not see themselves as providers and are rather uncomfortable at the notion. I am a recent convert to this aspect of the Hobby, although not completely yet. I do not consider myself an expert. Tips and comments from Mike why and a couple others got me curious. General dissatisfaction with risk, yield and cost of regular hobby activities got me looking. There are a LOT of women who are dissatisfied, quasi-interested / curious at how to go about things, and who do not want to "advertise" out of concerns for privacy and perceived stigma. As others point out herein, it isn't just about the cash. It's also about whether you can connect, how you behave and carry yourself and are compatible. If you "click"? Aww hell, it can be a lot of fun!

For every one that advertises, she has a dozen or more acquaintances that do not and are on the fence, curious. It takes work, and ones patience and willingness to work with them, coax them, and satisfy them. If I were to hazard a guess there may be more unsatisfied women in search of something regular and safe with the right guy. The biggest untapped area here is college girls and their working, but disillusioned friends. If you stay informed and are fluent in the trends of social media, it can be one heck of a trip.

Be safe.

[QUOTE=Amaregraeco;3628785]Guys,

There is much more to this class of provider than most of us realize at first. It takes a bit of money, and a lot of patience, persistence, and hard work. Most of the ladies are not even what we'd consider UTR. They do not see themselves as providers and are rather uncomfortable at the notion. I am a recent convert to this aspect of the Hobby, although not completely yet. I do not consider myself an expert. Tips and comments from Mike why and a couple others got me curious. General dissatisfaction with risk, yield and cost of regular hobby activities got me looking. There are a LOT of women who are dissatisfied, quasi-interested / curious at how to go about things, and who do not want to "advertise" out of concerns for privacy and perceived stigma. As others point out herein, it isn't just about the cash. It's also about whether you can connect, how you behave and carry yourself and are compatible. If you "click"? Aww hell, it can be a lot of fun!

For every one that advertises, she has a dozen or more acquaintances that do not and are on the fence, curious. It takes work, and ones patience and willingness to work with them, coax them, and satisfy them. If I were to hazard a guess there may be more unsatisfied women in search of something regular and safe with the right guy. The biggest untapped area here is college girls and their working, but disillusioned friends. If you stay informed and are fluent in the trends of social media, it can be one heck of a trip.

Be safe.[/QUOTE]Something else worth mentioning here. SA / SB hobby activities are not for most. Yessir, NOT for most of us. Most hobbyists want their fun today, when the mood or urge hits. Waiting for your planned "rendezvous" to happen in a couple of days, or in a week or so may not be your cup of tea. If so, this isn't likely to be much fun. It takes a bit of time and trust before things progress to where an "as needed or requested" feature is available.

Kinda the reason I'm not fully a convert yet.

M. Yepthatsm, Your thoughts. In the ballpark here?

Others care to comment?

[QUOTE=EdMonger;3628385]About once a week we fit a date into our busy schedules.

I do not pay her extra for the actual 1 or 2 hour pure sex time. So this coming Friday it will cost me around $300-$400 for an all day date which will include a couple hours of fucking and sucking.

My number 2 lady is paid directly pay for play. We get together about once a week. $200 per session which could last up to 3 hours depending on our schedules. We also do lunch dates where we just talk and hang out and enjoy each other's company.[/QUOTE]Okay, this makes more sense then. Basically higher-class, more time like a casual dating scenario because it's going to have some grounding to it -- but in the end, you get more Time spent for the $$, and quality sex-time for the $ than just about any high-class provider. It makes financial sense, especially when you find value in role-playing as a guy going out in general with her (related to shopping too of course). I don't find much ROI in certain scenarios of simulating as BF / GF when going out at it leading directly to costs (shopping, etc) -- but hey, if she's hot, cool, and genuinely friendly. I'd rather do that than pay $400 for a 2 hour sex visit with an upscale chick.