"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Because a cop isn't going to engage in a hug and a kiss. This argument is becoming pointless.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;6050707]The prospect of random urinalysis is always an employment risk, especially in a state that does not restrict the right of employers to do random testing. I am semi-retired and self-employed, so my risk in this regard is de minimus. That doesn't mean I am totally safe. You can be arrested for a DUI on marijuana, just the same as alcohol, whether medical and recreational weed use is legal or not.

We all take risks in what we do to buy tail. But I never assume I know what Uncle LEO's priorities will be and is likely to do in any particular situation. A prime example is what happened in Camden. A few years ago there was a crackdown on prostitution, especially on Broadway. The crackdown was on Johns. You could be arrested just for slowing down for a decoy prostitute or circling the block a few times. This was especially true if you had an out of state plate. A similar approach has been taken in other cities. You never know what priorities will be exercised by LE at any time. Once upon a time I did visit the Camden strolls, but got a heads up on the situation in this forum and avoided testing out whether it might be true. LE can pretty much do anything it pleases for whatever reason it pleases, and I would always want to play it as safe as possible and not have my "police worries satisfied" by an opinion of someone in this forum.

As for a M&G, I wouldn't pay for one out of sheer principle, but why the suggestion to get a hug and kiss at the M&G? What legal reason is there for that?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;6051203]So I signed up right after 4th of July because they a special going on. Even with the discount I think it was still too expensive. Granted I was looking for something unique. Something I have had three times before and know it was a long shot. But I thought I would at least be able to get a meet and greet. Below is my experience. Enjoy.

1. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/01cc7e9c-5d39-47ab-81dc-c85743b9a5a1[/URL].

Says this is her first time doing this. Is asking 300-500 per meet. Yeah good luck.

2. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/49b03ef0-9b5d-48d5-8e33-3ea0484b95e4[/URL].

Just as I figured she isn't in the US. "She" says she is in the Ukraine. Avoid.

3. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/8e1ead8b-c1c0-4cea-b4db-e7652b029d6e[/URL].

Another pic seller and total scam.

4. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/ec274cb4-95f4-45b9-84e8-c08a0de1c96b[/URL].

Total fake. She looked to good to be true and I was right. I asked her where does she live and she gave the genric downtown answer. I asked her if she lived on some made up part of town and she said yes. Bye!

5. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/8eeef0d7-1d65-4414-99a0-575ea762c16d[/URL].

This one is a total scammer. I knew it from looking at it but just wanted to be sure. We texted and she wanted cash app before we meet LOL. God!!

6. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e5474dbf-6910-47d9-86a1-6c97a9336cb7[/URL].

Clearly this looked fake from the pics alone but decided to have some fun. Got "her" to texting and asked her how she liked RVA after seeing that her location changed to NY from VA. "She" said she likes it. Clearly a scammer. Damn, so many scammers on this site. This is the most I have seen in a while.

7. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/a71c7f87-5e53-4353-bd13-f1ce20a94aac[/URL].

More time being wasted. We texted, we agreed on a day, time and location. I texted her three hours before our meet and crickets. Don't bother with this loser!

8. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/36e86c72-9ba6-41f4-aab5-a00d00f8aaee[/URL].

Ok boys. This one is a pro and desperate. All holes open and bareback for 400 but I am sure you can talk her down. I did not partake as I am not looking for bareback. She sent me some nice pics.

9. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/5bf2c014-82f1-4b07-a80d-6aee802eeacb[/URL].

Another desperate pro. All holes open and she has a girl friend. Did not partake but for the rest of you enjoy.

10. [URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2aea8179-3734-432e-99c9-98ad066bc987[/URL].

This B!tch isn't even that cute and she wanted to get paid just to go on a date. She said she is new to the suger world. She will be dissapointed LOL.

Damn, I am seeing an increase in pros, scammers, chicks who want money just for a meet and greet. Very dissappointed.[/QUOTE]3, 4, and 5, go to your messages inbox. Would love to know the real links.

#8 can be had for a lot less. Met her a couple of months ago for a great car date. Not as big as she looks in the pics. At the time was living with her parents. Has since moved out and has been blowing my phone up wanting to get together.

#9 Hit me up and we started texting a few weeks ago. Immediately started sending pics and vids without me asking. Wanted me to meet her that day at a notel in Ashland. Seemed way too easy and my spidey senses told me to stay away. Felt like it could have been a setup or something.

[QUOTE=TennisStud90;6050984]I have something set up with this one for tomorrow night. Has sent some good private pics but want to double check if she's legit. Does anyone have any info?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/29a21603-4068-4c47-bcdd-a7a351819bac[/URL][/QUOTE]Seems to be real in how she talked about her job managing an apartment building (s). But I think she asked me for some $$ just to keep talking or to move to snapchat or something. Might even have been a paid M&G, don't recall.

Pretty sure she is the real deal and certainly looks like she'd be fun in the sack, but probably needs to learn the realities of sugaring.

[QUOTE=Hal1957;6052116]Because a cop isn't going to engage in a hug and a kiss..[/QUOTE]Good luck with that defense in court. Your honor, she let me kiss and hug her, therefore, I was assured she wasn't a cop and I was safe to offer her money for sex.

Futher to that: a valid entrapment defense has 2 elements:

Government inducement of the crime; and the defendants lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct.
Solicitation, schemes, deceit, tricks, and pretenses are NOT considered inducement.

Letting oneself be hugged and kissed? Sounds like a deceit, trick and/or pretense to me, designed to discover the defendant's predisposition to commit the crime. At the very least, not what I would want to hang my hat on.

[QUOTE=TennisStud90;6050984]I have something set up with this one for tomorrow night. Has sent some good private pics but want to double check if she's legit. Does anyone have any info?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/29a21603-4068-4c47-bcdd-a7a351819bac[/URL][/QUOTE]Let me know how the date went! My DMs are open and ready.

[QUOTE=PartyTimeGuy;6052784]Good luck with that defense in court. Your honor, she let me kiss and hug her, therefore, I was assured she wasn't a cop and I was safe to offer her money for sex.

Futher to that: a valid entrapment defense has 2 elements:
Government inducement of the crime; and the defendants lack of predisposition to engage in the criminal conduct.
Solicitation, schemes, deceit, tricks, and pretenses are NOT considered inducement.

Letting oneself be hugged and kissed? Sounds like a deceit, trick and/or pretense to me, designed to discover the defendant's predisposition to commit the crime. At the very least, not what I would want to hang my hat on.[/QUOTE]Agree. From a legal perspective "hug and kiss" defense will fail. Hell, there is case law that has undercovers performing sexual acts, don't think the hug and kiss will work.

But most of the DA's / CA's and cops aren't interested in a rolling sting operation (yet), where they have to go out on a date at a random locations w undercover females. Its difficult from a security standpoint for the operation plus it gets in the face of a lot of "regular" folks. They'd be much more likely to nail you on texts / convos ahead of anything. Which I think we're all aware of. And then just scoop ya up. There is lots of information on the internet on how they typically target online solicitation (you incriminate yourself w offer, e.g. conspiracy to commit solicitation) versus street level (you drive and then hand money over, actual). And I can recall various stings / raids on agencies in the District back in the day as well - emails and appts got list of regulars to flip. For those who are older mongers you might remember them too. The online stuff is usually political polish on an election year to crack down on "human trafficking" - which is all the excuse needed to do some crazy shit that walks the line on entrapment. Anyway, getting far afield on this. Having a meet ahead of time and no agreed destination is fine - its already unlikely that its a sting, just don't fork money over at the table (necessary component for actual... ) and don't agree to a specific price (...v. conspiracy to solicit). Stay general, stay safe, and don't be a dick.

[QUOTE=Psnuse77;6052851]Let me know how the date went! My DMs are open and ready.[/QUOTE]I am FB friends she quoted me 150 meet and greet and 500 fc.

Anyone met her yet? She was quick to want me to come by to see her in Petersburg motel.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/813886af-1493-49ad-ad00-3747c9b06022[/URL]

So am chatting with a baby. I would like to verify her and do a video chat session with her. What is a good platfomr. I am texting with her using TextNow and that doesn't have a video feature. What do you all suggest.

I have just paid up another month on SA using a OneVanilla prepaid debit card. I phoned in and entered a zip code for the card, that the phone tree says is necessary to use the card for pay-at-the-pump and online purchases. I waited about half an hour after that, and the charge went right through on SA.

I sometimes have a hard time locating that specific card. Last week I bought a SecureSpend card, it has no means to associate the card with a zip code, and I was unable to use it to pay for a seeking membership.

[QUOTE=TennisStud90;6050984]I have something set up with this one for tomorrow night. Has sent some good private pics but want to double check if she's legit. Does anyone have any info?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/29a21603-4068-4c47-bcdd-a7a351819bac[/URL][/QUOTE]Definitely real and unfortunately has gotten much more expensive now that she's clean. For years she was about 20 lbs lighter (not that she is unattractively big now) and could be had for $80-$120 and sometimes an completely open menu. Good old days.

[QUOTE=Hungre1234;6053223]Anyone met her yet? She was quick to want me to come by to see her in Petersburg motel.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/813886af-1493-49ad-ad00-3747c9b06022[/URL][/QUOTE]Definitely dtf. Told me her boyfriend kicked her out and she's staying in hotel. Sent me some nice pics, but I can't meet right now and I definitely don't feel like traveling to Petersburg.

Did some chatting with this one, and went to text.

[URL]https://www.secretbenefits.com/next/profile/f6bf65f0931634a1[/URL]

She seems pretty real, and acts like she knows what this is all about. She quoted a 250/ wk allowance, and I made sure to mention "intimacy" more than once so we would be on the same page.

Biggest issue. She's way the fuck out in Danville. Has anyone had any contact with her? Not sure I want to drive that far for just a M&G unless she's a guaranteed visitor to the FC.

Hi guys, I've met her, she's a talker but she's nice, looks like her pics, very open minded and submissive. Be nice to her and respectful and she should reciprocate. Seniors PM me for more details.

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;6053672]Definitely dtf. Told me her boyfriend kicked her out and she's staying in hotel. Sent me some nice pics, but I can't meet right now and I definitely don't feel like traveling to Petersburg.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;6053427]So am chatting with a baby. I would like to verify her and do a video chat session with her. What is a good platfomr. I am texting with her using TextNow and that doesn't have a video feature. What do you all suggest.[/QUOTE]Snapchat is best. You can create an account with a fake email address. Just be careful about allowing it to access your entire contact list. If you use it on a burner its a great feature because it will search your phone numbers and match them to any Snapchat users, so you can find SBs that might not be active anymore or replying to texts.

Also, many SBs don't create a fake account so why ou can often find their real name attached to the snap account to confirm they aren't BSC.