"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=JohnLongDong;6033905]I personally would love to find a College girl who just loves older men and that's their biggest motivation in joining Seeking. There are very few left on the site who fall into the category. Have you experienced otherwise? I have experienced mostly scam artists and thieves.[/QUOTE]Adjective Noun user names are fake.

Virgnia, Virginia locations are fake.

And about 1/4 or more of the profiles in Cville and Hburg that acctually list locations end up being fake too.

Fortunately I can usually find a college girl each semester with daddy issues and sorority dues / wardrobe tastes / spring break plans beyond their means.

[QUOTE=JohnLongDong;6033905]I personally would love to find a College girl who just loves older men and that's their biggest motivation in joining Seeking. There are very few left on the site who fall into the category. Have you experienced otherwise? I have experienced mostly scam artists and thieves.[/QUOTE]College apartments start their rent August 1 so keep your eyes out for returning students needing a Sugar Daddy. I have best luck with grad students. Too many pic seller undergrads.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6033795]You guys have obviously gotten onto the wrong part of the Richmond page. If you really think your view is the right one, there is a thread called 'Escort Reports' just for you.[/QUOTE]Take your delusions elsewhere.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;6034327]Take your delusions elsewhere.[/QUOTE]Lmao!! It's all the same just attitudes are different. Those that know what they are and those that don't realize it just yet. But sooner or later they all come to same conclusion. Be safe why'all.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6033795]You guys have obviously gotten onto the wrong part of the Richmond page. If you really think your view is the right one, there is a thread called 'Escort Reports' just for you.[/QUOTE]Actually, you could put this thread under "Escort Reports" and it would work just fine. Most of this thread and others are all about pay per meet, etc. That's a straight up hooker and monger outcome. Why pretend it's anything else?

Ego.

[QUOTE=RogerOver;6034701]Actually, you could put this thread under "Escort Reports" and it would work just fine. Most of this thread and others are all about pay per meet, etc. That's a straight up hooker and monger outcome. Why pretend it's anything else?

Ego.[/QUOTE]Eh, not exactly. For girls I date off of STG, KA, them, EI, LS / EA, etc. I expect and it often is transactional in nature. Most of those girls don't want to go out to dinner, go to shows, attend the gallery or go to a ball game, they just want to FC and collect the money.

With a SB I am looking for more: a causal relationship as well, not just wham, bang, thank-you-mam, but all of those extra-circulars listed above. So there IS a distinction.

But hey, for many unknowledgeable dudes or less refined they don't see the distinction and treat most SBs as escorts. It is because most of the payers haven't evolved to or don't have the wherewithall to operate on a higher level, that most girls quickly give up the concept of a monthly allowance and accept the concept of PPM.

While anyone advertising on an escort website has accepted they are a prostitute, most true SBs don't want to see themselves as prostitutes. We all know if a girl is flatbacking and there is money involved then she's a prostitute. But to land some of these low mileage, higher end girls and establish an on-going relationship, one needs to feed her fantasy of SB / GF style and not treat her like a P2 P girl or a prostitute.

I know what it is, but I'm willing to play the game she wants as to land a better level of date and something on-going. But I hear the stories about my "competition" that are viewed by these girls as Neanderthals for their crude, rude approaches that threat them as common wh*res. If one can't understand the distinction, they are fishing in the wrong locale and muddying the waters for the those willing to do things on a different level.

Not bashing anyone, just offering an alternative point of view.

To a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;6035820]Eh, not exactly. For girls I date off of STG, KA, them, EI, LS / EA, etc. I expect and it often is transactional in nature. Most of those girls don't want to go out to dinner, go to shows, attend the gallery or go to a ball game, they just want to FC and collect the money.

With a SB I am looking for more: a causal relationship as well, not just wham, bang, thank-you-mam, but all of those extra-circulars listed above. So there IS a distinction.

But hey, for many unknowledgeable dudes or less refined they don't see the distinction and treat most SBs as escorts. It is because most of the payers haven't evolved to or don't have the wherewithall to operate on a higher level, that most girls quickly give up the concept of a monthly allowance and accept the concept of PPM.

While anyone advertising on an escort website has accepted they are a prostitute, most true SBs don't want to see themselves as prostitutes. We all know if a girl is flatbacking and there is money involved then she's a prostitute. But to land some of these low mileage, higher end girls and establish an on-going relationship, one needs to feed her fantasy of SB / GF style and not treat her like a P2 P girl or a prostitute.

I know what it is, but I'm willing to play the game she wants as to land a better level of date and something on-going. But I hear the stories about my "competition" that are viewed by these girls as Neanderthals for their crude, rude approaches that threat them as common wh*res. If one can't understand the distinction, they are fishing in the wrong locale and muddying the waters for the those willing to do things on a different level.

Not bashing anyone, just offering an alternative point of view.[/QUOTE]Generally agree. All relationships are transactional in nature, including marriage, where you pay a huge "exit" fee at the end, or get reamed in the family court. For some of us guys, we are older, no wife, no kids, retired, and have money. We like some female companionship and conversation that lasts longer than a 30 minute FC appointment. I enjoy the longer interaction, and often keep up with my best girls via text etc. Some girls will blow you off for this sort of arrangement, and are going for a quick buck. If they only knew what I have spent on longer term SB's, LOL. -Krusty.

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;6036315]Generally agree. All relationships are transactional in nature, including marriage, where you pay a huge "exit" fee at the end, or get reamed in the family court. For some of us guys, we are older, no wife, no kids, retired, and have money. We like some female companionship and conversation that lasts longer than a 30 minute FC appointment. I enjoy the longer interaction, and often keep up with my best girls via text etc. Some girls will blow you off for this sort of arrangement, and are going for a quick buck. If they only knew what I have spent on longer term SB's, LOL. -Krusty.[/QUOTE]Couldn't agree more. Marriage can be a VERY expensive and inconvenient transaction. I wish my present self could meet my teenage self and give him some valuable life advice in this regard. But rather than have regrets over the path not taken, I am happy to be unmarried, semi-retired and have the financial resources and free time to bang sweet young things with abandon. SWs / Escorts / UTRs? Been there, done that. Had a lot of fun. Still partake from time to time. But SBs can be superior in every way and, done right, don't break the bank. Aren't SBs just young. good looking, expensive escorts? Some of them certainly can be. Just as some SWs / Escorts / UTRs can occasionally be very worthwhile. It's just a matter of the ratio. More SBs tend to be fantastic experiences than the others. Occasionally you get the best of all worlds and find a reasonably intelligent and relatable SB who is both fun to fuck and also intriguing before and after fucking. If fucking is all a particular SB is good for, then fuck away. The shine will most likely however quickly leave that penny, and variety will be sought. However, occasionally a gem will be found and the overall transaction will be quite satisfying and worth longevity. Maybe not marriage-like longevity, but perhaps that's a good thing. At least the exit doesn't cost you half your stuff.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6033998]I have a trip upcoming to Chicago and I am fishing in their sugar bowl in advance. One issue is that there are a those who portray they are looking for long term. Obviously, as a visitor, I can't too easily promise that. My approach. Some list short term in their profiles, but I am also searching specifically within the Open Relationship and Married but Looking categories, figuring that it might be appealing to them that I already have a place to meet up, something that can be hard to arrange in some situations w / guys who have a SO (like me).

Does anyone have any other indicators to a POT who would be amenable to a guy just flying into town for business?[/QUOTE]I travel extensively so do my Sugaring away from home. Don't read the Babies profiles to literally. I've had success with some who's profile screams do me to some that say platonic. A lot of what they post, especially college girls is there for there sorority sisters or in case a guy perusing the site may recognize them (family, Dad's friends in the bowl or people they know), so they look like they aren't looking to be easy or intimate. I've had Babies tell me they put platonic to dissuade the creeps, especially if they were especially hot.

It's really a numbers game. Message all that have profile pics that get your blood flowing south. Like always, get them to text if their SA messages are positive. Get some more pics, see if they look filtered. I can usually get an ass pic, I ask in a non creepy witty way and tell them not asking for nudes. Some times they send nudes anyway. I always screen that if we have a connection if a physical or intimate aspect is something they are down with. The more you do your homework before you jump on the plane to Chi Town, the more likely you'll be successful.

I do very few M&G, but you being away from home, a couple with an extremely hot Baby.

May pay dividends. Of course unpaid.

Also, it goes without saying to go to the Chicago board & do a deep dive on the Sugar thread. Go ahead & ask for assistance from the Chicago board. I find a Daddy may share intel on a Baby he's seeing with a Daddy making a short visit.

Reading the thread will also give you a heads up on the going rates for allowances.

Good luck, hope it works out!

Ok people let's get back to what this forum is about. I am chatting with this girl and with someone this young I like to get feedback to see who has seen her. Any help is appreciated.

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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6033998]Does anyone have any other indicators to a POT who would be amenable to a guy just flying into town for business?[/QUOTE]When I'm setting up a work trip, I search my basic parameters (height, age, etc, and "recently active" Then, I send out a gazillion of the same basic message to women I'm interested in. Something that starts out along the lines of "Hey! I don't know if this is the type of arrangement you're looking for, but I'm going to be in Your City and was wondering. " From there, it's the basic numbers game. Some trips, I get no dates, others I'm busy 3 or 4 evenings. And, one of my ATF arrangements was in a city I travel to regularly.

Let us know how it goes!

Sorry for some reason my last link did not paste correctly. Just looking to see if anyone has any info on this cutie.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2e3262c6-7c67-4150-8ddf-882f5d122f51[/URL]

Is your inbox not the profile link

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;6037571]Sorry for some reason my last link did not paste correctly. Just looking to see if anyone has any info on this cutie.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/messages/inbox/2e3262c6-7c67-4150-8ddf-882f5d122f51[/URL][/QUOTE].

[QUOTE=KrustyDawg7;6036315]Generally agree. All relationships are transactional in nature, including marriage, where you pay a huge "exit" fee at the end, or get reamed in the family court. For some of us guys, we are older, no wife, no kids, retired, and have money. We like some female companionship and conversation that lasts longer than a 30 minute FC appointment. I enjoy the longer interaction, and often keep up with my best girls via text etc. Some girls will blow you off for this sort of arrangement, and are going for a quick buck. If they only knew what I have spent on longer term SB's, LOL. -Krusty.[/QUOTE]All relationships exist on a continuum. Marriage is at one end and streetwalkers are at the other. There is a big middle. For me, a sugar baby is more like a mistress or kept woman. I often stay in touch long after the arrangement is over. I have an ex-SB sending me beach photos from her new set up in California. Another shares vacation videos. I recently had an SB from nearly five years ago recontact me. She left an abusive relationship and wanted to get back together. However, it is also true that everyone finds the sugar bowl they are seeking. The trouble comes when someone who only wants a transactional sugar bowl insists that the one they find is the only "true" sugar bowl. Or vice-versa. There are many types of bowls and they are all correct.

BAM.