"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

One of the things that has always drawn me to this forum was a sense of civil discourse. All you have to do is review any of the more active forums in the major populations centers and you will be assaulted by some really mean commentary.

I see this forum treading towards uncivil discourse. And that is unfortunate. Do people go on tangents that I find uninteresting? They sure do. Do I usually feel the need to comment on the quality of the posts. No!

I would argue that useful info, bragging, horror stories, philosophical discussions, and words of wisdom all have a place within this forum.

SubCmdr out

Thank you, GC, for putting so much thought into your comment. I would claim that I've been reflecting on my own reply for the past two days, but in all honesty (intellectual and otherwise) I haven't been on the board since my last post.

Some of what I would have said in reply has already been voiced by SubCmdr, so there's no need to repeat it. I will grant that I could have handled the conversation in a more chivalrous manner, but I ask you to reconsider your implication that I am mean spirited and am not a gentleman. Were this the 18th century I might throw my glove at your feet and challenge you to a duel to uphold my honor, but in our circumstances that is highly impractical and (let's face it) rather childish.

I agree that my answer was a slap in the face. It was not intended primarily to hurt or punish, however, but rather to be a "wake-up call." I do (still) like her immensely, want her to be happy and successful in life, and have never said / texted a cross word to her other than that final message. I would like to think that, once she gets past the hurt, she will recognize that she must have crossed a very important line to have drawn a response so cold and "mean spirited."

Again, thank you for the thoughtful and thought provoking response (and to you, SubCmdr, for providing another well-reasoned perspective).

Dr. Feelgood.

[QUOTE=Golfcart; 1560583]I've considered and reconsidered this post before sending it.

FeelGoodMD has what he calls his first and favorite SB. This speaks volumes considering what happened.

She moved away to attend grad school. He should want that for her.

There was to be a second trip just to see him. His words not mine. Kudos that without being asked he offered to give her the usual plus $. She countered $$ extra saying,"I need the usual plus $$ to come down."

This is where things went south. Deciding to burn the bridge (as he termed it) he sent her the most demeaning and mean-spirited message of all, his words, not mine.

A gentleman would have responded with accommodation, possibly with silence. Either one would have left the door open. Mean-spirited people lack this capacity. It isn't in them. They must win. Such is the lot of FeelGoodMD's first and favorite SB.

Since intellectual honesty has become the phrase de jure I mention it is intellectually dishonest to hold pay-for-play women in a light different from us. Tell-tale signs of this flaw are evident in posts board-wide quite often. This is something I've never understood.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1562513]One of the things that has always drawn me to this forum was a sense of civil discourse. All you have to do is review any of the more active forums in the major populations centers and you will be assaulted by some really mean commentary.

I see this forum treading towards uncivil discourse. And that is unfortunate. I would argue that useful info, bragging, horror stories, philosophical discussions, and words of wisdom all have a place within this forum.

SubCmdr out[/QUOTE]There is always knowledge to be gained. The majority of us are playing at a higher level, I believe, and so let us put aside our petty differences and re-commit ourselves to focusing on what makes this thread special. If anyone wants to fight, take that shit outside.

Scott

Ok so my ATF perfect little sb, got a bit possessive. You heard the story. And during that exploration trip of her. She found one (SD) she wanted toy meet. So I said "go ahead make my day" as you humans like to say.

The closer it came to the day, the less enthused she became, but she did meet him. End of the story was. She did not enjoy herself, but was happy with the amount of sugar she got, it was more for the 4 hours with him than she got from me in total for the last 7 months. This proves my previous quote. An ATF does not have to cost an arms and a leg, perhaps not even a rib.

What are some of a SD's worst nightmares? Being outed. STDs. Blackmail. And there certainly are countless others.

But what about getting sick? I met my 18yo HYB (and current favorite) more than a week ago for a movie. We both felt a little under the weather with colds, so we thought a movie was the best way to see each other while avoiding any significant contact. Well, I'm sad to say I lost my self control, and we ended up at a hotel afterward, where there actually was quite a bit of physical contact. Amazing physical contact. Physical contact in all kinds of positions.

Within a couple days, though, she was feeling worse, so much so that she went to the doctor. They ran all kinds of tests, including for strep throat and mono. Now, I'm home from work and not feeling so great.

I can explain strep throat. It's not so common for adults (I've not had it since I was a kid), but it's not outside the realm of possibilities. But mono? How in the world would I ever explain that?

I went to the doc yesterday and was prescribed something to make me feel better while I await my own test results. Keep your fingers crossed for me, gents.

I've been reminded of a valuable lesson here: Sometimes it costs dearly when you lose self control.

Regards,

Joe

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1563083]What are some of a SD's worst nightmares? Being outed. STDs. Blackmail. And there certainly are countless others.

I can explain strep throat. It's not so common for adults (I've not had it since I was a kid) , but it's not outside the realm of possibilities. But mono? How in the world would I ever explain that?

Joe[/QUOTE]Why the need to explain. You come in contact with others don't you?

Best explanation if asked "pffffff hell I wish I knew. I don't want this. Sad face"

My last post in this thread was a bit callous. I enjoyed reading about HG's escapades, he certainly has way more cajones than I do. What threw me off and made me write that post was the lead in with "Busy busy last couple of days. Also in keeping with the spirit of the thread no bragging / notch pics." Then telling one incredible story, that most in this thread will never have the opportunity to experience. That 'sounds' like bragging to me. As usual your interpretation may differ.

Gentlemen,

I just learned an amazing thing: in my area, Chicago, within a 50 mile radius of my zipcode, there are 917 registered SDs on SA, and - wait for it - 5801 registered SBs! It boggles the mind! Now certainly there are inactive or dormant profiles in both of those numbers, but still! That's six babies for every daddy, and that's just in a 50 mile radius.

I'm not sure at all what to make of this, or to do with this fact, but there has to be something that will benefit me.

Scott

Interesting fact.

How many of SBs are GPS (stating 3k / mth or above in my mind)? In S. California, seems that there are quite a lot of GPS, so can't count them.

Happy hunting, Scotty!

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1563312]Gentlemen,

I just learned an amazing thing: in my area, Chicago, within a 50 mile radius of my zipcode, there are 917 registered SDs on SA, and. Wait for it. 5801 registered SBs! It boggles the mind! Now certainly there are inactive or dormant profiles in both of those numbers, but still! That's six babies for every daddy, and that's just in a 50 mile radius.

I'm not sure at all what to make of this, or to do with this fact, but there has to be something that will benefit me.

Scott[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dog Rice; 1563331]Interesting fact.

How many of SBs are GPS (stating 3k / mth or above in my mind)?[/QUOTE]I don't think it matters, honestly. Let's say that 1/3 of them are suffering from GPS, so roughly 1900 of them. Even if every registered daddy were willing to pay 3K a month, which of course we aren't, that still leaves about 900 babies out in the cold. What this ratio says to me is be patient, stick to your guns in terms of your sugar comfort level, and don't slam the door in any baby's face. They may very well come back and contact you again; there's just no way they all are getting snapped up. Plus, if the babies I talk to are telling the truth, a good portion of those 917 daddies are jerks, creeps, liars and perverts (you know who you are), which is good for us remaining normal ones.

With great power comes great responsibility, however, so be polite.

Scott

F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;1563372]F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.[/QUOTE]The same appears to be true in metro Detroit; a lot of the girls haven't logged on in quite a while. Then, there are the girls who create an account, log on for the first couple of days, and then don't log on ever again. I skip them as well.

Still, the numbers definitely are in our favor. Even if it's closer to 3 or 4 to one, the number of sane guys seems to be limited, too. I've had a number of pots tell me horror stories of guys who just seem to be creepy from the first contact. And if a guy passes the e-mail / text test and they have a M&G, I've had pots tell me that they are creepers at the M&G. Just goes to show that if you're reasonably sane, clean, and a gentleman, the world is your oyster.

UPDATE on my sickness issue: No mono for HYB, so I'm in the clear. Thanks for the replies to my earlier post. My concern was that, because my wife works in the medical field, she would realize the risk of anonymous transmission is low. But now I don't have to worry about that.

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;1563372]F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.[/QUOTE]I created a fake baby profile. On SA, babies can join for free, but their searching abilities are limited to "members near me", apparently. They can read their messages, though, so as an additional bit of info, I got over 50 contacts in the first two days, almost all of them well written and thoughtful. Some of them are pure bs, obviously, but it let me know that a generic "hey baby, ur hot" is not going to cut it, which has never been my style, but I do get lazy from time to time.

For my local brothers, my baby name is Mindi, so don't bother to contact me, you're not my type!

[QUOTE=CantWinLosin;1563372]F Scott, I'm sure others will work the numbers for their areas. I just ran the SA numbers for Richmond metro (50 mile radius) SB's and got just over 1000 profiles, with only a quarter of those having logged in within the last 30 days. (My experience has been that if they haven't logged in in at least 30 days, they're gone.) How did you run the guy's numbers? It won't seem to let me to that.[/QUOTE]CWL (and other interested parties) ,

I created a fake SB profile for Richmond, as Scott did for Chicago. The magic number:

161 Sugar Daddies registered in Richmond. 68 of whom have logged in over the past 30 days. Unfortunately, that closes our gap to about a 3:1 ratio here in RVA (if you apply the 30 day standard) , but still the numbers are in the Daddy's favor.

And don't worry, I made my profile unsearchable to keep my fellow sugar bowlers from wasting their time.

Dr Feelgood

[QUOTE=F Scott;1563403]I got over 50 contacts in the first two days, almost all of them well written and thoughtful. Some of them are pure bs, obviously, but it let me know that a generic "hey baby, ur hot" is not going to cut it, which has never been my style, but I do get lazy from time to time.[/QUOTE]Scott,

Very interesting research and right in my line of thinking when it comes to quantitative data. Could the number of responses be due to the fact your profile is new? I wonder if your contacts will fall off as time goes on? I see the same SB's logging in month after month. Makes me think, either they are not successful or variety is just as important to them as to us. (You have explored that theory in the past)

I've had good response with very simple messages to the local babies. This is straight marketing (Shout Out to Hollywood Guy for this insight). Initial message gets them to read your profile. Your profile generates the response. I have also had great response when I'm traveling. I use a different message. The babies love a traveling SD! I have experimented with setting my profile city in a different one from where I live and then tested the response rate. It dramatically increased for me. I have found there is a geographical difference in quality type and average requested sugar amounts for the Sugar Babies in each area. Guy Woodson is the master of Traveling SD tactics. GW big ups to you man! Got to give you your props there!

SubCmdr Out