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[QUOTE=Incognito1234;5079956]Wherever it came from, it doesn't matter as much as the fact that it's real and it's here.

Yes, it's true that the vast majority of the people recover but others have lingering conditions afterward and others yet, die. Even if the number of people that get it and die is 1 in 20 or slightly less (4-5% it's easy to dismiss, until it's someone you care for or love. Think of 20 people that you care for and watch one randomly die slowly. Is that ok? Is that enough to take it seriously?[/QUOTE]It's one in four hundred. The one is twenty comes from the idiots who take the number of confirmed cases and then divide that by the number of deaths. That totally ignores all the antibody testing that proves 50-80 times more people have recovered from covid than there are confirmed cases.

Fear mongers like you are why 5% of the worlds population have had their lives destroyed over the last year. Is the fact that nine million extra people are going to die due to the mitigation for a disease with a 99.74% overall survival rate enough for you to stop trying to scare people? Or are you one of the knumbskulls that think they should do it again?

Let me try this again 400,000,000 MILLION FUCKING LIVES DESTROYED so you can feel safe. In the next 5 years how many of them will die, 20,000,000? 40,000,000? Maybe 60,000,000?

Seriously, sit down and STFU.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL]

A2.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5080878]It's one in four hundred. The one is twenty comes from the idiots who take the number of confirmed cases and then divide that by the number of deaths. That totally ignores all the antibody testing that proves 50-80 times more people have recovered from covid than there are confirmed cases.

Fear mongers like you are why 5% of the worlds population have had their lives destroyed over the last year. Is the fact that nine million extra people are going to die due to the mitigation for a disease with a 99.74% overall survival rate enough for you to stop trying to scare people? Or are you one of the knumbskulls that think they should do it again?

Let me try this again 400,000,000 million fucking lives destroyed so you can feel safe. In the next 5 years how many of them will die, 20,000,000? 40,000,000? Maybe 60,000,000?

Seriously, sit down and STFU.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL]

A2.[/QUOTE]Actually he's dividing deaths by cases, not vice versa as you indicated. The real issue is hospital overflow and doctor shortage.

[QUOTE=Admin2;5080878]It's one in four hundred. The one is twenty comes from the idiots who take the number of confirmed cases and then divide that by the number of deaths. That totally ignores all the antibody testing that proves 50-80 times more people have recovered from covid than there are confirmed cases.

Fear mongers like you are why 5% of the worlds population have had their lives destroyed over the last year. Is the fact that nine million extra people are going to die due to the mitigation for a disease with a 99.74% overall survival rate enough for you to stop trying to scare people? Or are you one of the knumbskulls that think they should do it again?

Let me try this again 400,000,000 MILLION FUCKING LIVES DESTROYED so you can feel safe. In the next 5 years how many of them will die, 20,000,000? 40,000,000? Maybe 60,000,000?

Seriously, sit down and STFU.

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/09/coronavirus-could-push-half-a-billion-people-into-poverty-globally.html[/URL]

A2.[/QUOTE]First, look at the news source. Then note its a spotty series of quotes from a United Nations entity.

I'm no expert on Sub-Saharan Africa's pre-covid economy, but pretty certain it doesn't resemble our economy or even Europe, China, S. Korea, Japan etc.

Your point might be valid. You just haven't made the case. I'd love a link to prove 50-80 times more cases.

[QUOTE=TeeTime69;5081046]First, look at the news source. Then note its a spotty series of quotes from a United Nations entity.

I'm no expert on Sub-Saharan Africa's pre-covid economy, but pretty certain it doesn't resemble our economy or even Europe, China, S. Korea, Japan etc.

Your point might be valid. You just haven't made the case. I'd love a link to prove 50-80 times more cases.[/QUOTE]If we are going to turn the world upside down for this we should do the same for every flu season and lower the speed limit on the freeway to 25 mph. Not to mention buffets, cigarettes, alcohol, and junk food should be outlawed. Where does it stop?

[QUOTE=PieBoy;5080938]Actually he's dividing deaths by cases, not vice versa as you indicated. The real issue is hospital overflow and doctor shortage.[/QUOTE]The truth might be in-between "the sky is falling " and "it's just a flu ".

[QUOTE=GoodTimer88;5081184]If we are going to turn the world upside down for this we should do the same for every flu season and lower the speed limit on the freeway to 25 mph. Not to mention buffets, cigarettes, alcohol, and junk food should be outlawed. Where does it stop?[/QUOTE]Here's your confusion. We have speed limits to protect others from your recklessness, just not 25. The flu season rarely overruns hospitals. Buffets are indoor dining, therefore temporarily closed. Cigarette smoking is outlawed in most indoor public places, to protect others from your recklessness. Junk food is not contagious or effects others around you.

Easy to understand.

[QUOTE=JohnGeste;5080814]The actual fatality rate is between 0. 2 and 0. 3 percent according to Dr Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford. The fatale rate for school age children is actually higher for the common flu. The numbers stated have been verified by more than one large scale study. Yes. You might die from Covid- you might die from a lot of things and you will die from something. My advice is quit watching CNN.[/QUOTE]By Sep 19, the United States had recorded 198,589 COVID-19–related deaths, for a death rate of 0. 06%, higher than countries with low and moderate coronavirus death rates but similar to those with high death rates. For example, the death rate in Australia, considered a low-mortality country, was 0. 003%, while Canada, a moderate-mortality country, had a 0. 02% death rate.

If the coronavirus death rate in the United States were similar to that of Australia, it would have had 187,661 fewer COVID-19 deaths (94% of reported deaths), and, compared with Canada, it would have had 117,622 fewer deaths (59%.

Source: [URL]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/10/us-leads-19-nations-covid-19-all-cause-death-rates[/URL].

[QUOTE=PieBoy;5081570]Here's your confusion. We have speed limits to protect others from your recklessness, just not 25. The flu season rarely overruns hospitals. Buffets are indoor dining, therefore temporarily closed. Cigarette smoking is outlawed in most indoor public places, to protect others from your recklessness. Junk food is not contagious or effects others around you.

Easy to understand.[/QUOTE]From the CDC " Those under age 50 who get infected with the coronavirus lose less than one day of discounted quality-adjusted life expectancy; seniors age 70 or older lose nearly 90 days. ".

For seniors age 70 and older, getting Covid-19 is riskier than climbing Mt. Everest; in contrast, for those under age 20, the infection fatality risk is equivalent to driving a car for 7,500 miles.

As a nation, we have decided that a 70 mile mph speed limit is ok, even though there is indisputable evidence that many more people die every year than did when it was 55. We are ok with that. We know that cigarettes kill more people than most anything on the planet, but we are ok with that. In the name of power, money and control we have decided to sacrifice our freedom in the unwinnable "War on Death" The amount of long term psychological and economic damage that shows itself as suicide, depression, homelessness, drug addiction etc will prove that this is the largest overreaction to any event in history.

[QUOTE=HungaryMan;5081941]By Sep 19, the United States had recorded 198,589 COVID-19related deaths, for a death rate of 0. 06%, higher than countries with low and moderate coronavirus death rates but similar to those with high death rates. For example, the death rate in Australia, considered a low-mortality country, was 0. 003%, while Canada, a moderate-mortality country, had a 0. 02% death rate.

If the coronavirus death rate in the United States were similar to that of Australia, it would have had 187,661 fewer COVID-19 deaths (94% of reported deaths), and, compared with Canada, it would have had 117,622 fewer deaths (59%.

Source: [URL]https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/10/us-leads-19-nations-covid-19-all-cause-death-rates[/URL].[/QUOTE]This study makes it clear our forum arguments are too narrowly focused.

Covid is responsible for a number of deaths in indirect ways. While deaths may be down from automobile crashes, cancer deaths are up from interrupted chemo treatment, heart attacks and strokes are up from people afraid to use the system. Suicides are up.

Our decentralized approach to the pandemic, coupled with our poor public health infrastructure resulted in many, many deaths.

The study provides a lot to think about. Strongly suggest you read it before commenting.

[QUOTE=TeeTime69;5082120]This study makes it clear our forum arguments are too narrowly focused.

Covid is responsible for a number of deaths in indirect ways. While deaths may be down from automobile crashes, cancer deaths are up from interrupted chemo treatment, heart attacks and strokes are up from people afraid to use the system. Suicides are up.

Our decentralized approach to the pandemic, coupled with our poor public health infrastructure resulted in many, many deaths.

The study provides a lot to think about. Strongly suggest you read it before commenting.[/QUOTE]I believe you are making the point that the Indirect deaths are related to the overreaction to Covid, rather than Covid itself. Because of the exaggerated risk, many people are choosing not to get routine medical care (like early cancer screenings) or actually being banned from going. Why were hospitals laying off thousands of employees while not being allowed to conduct routine procedures at the same time? Massive military style hospitals were created and never used. Another example; the gym I go to is usually full of older people getting exercise and much needed social interaction every morning. Now it's empty while they sit home and watch the news by themselves. My father is in a nursing home, where we have always been told that we need to visit constantly to be sure he is being well cared for. None of us has been able to see him in months. This will all add up to far more deaths and destruction than a respiratory virus could. But I suppose we can all creep around with our all-protective masks on until the government approves freedom again because they have developed a drug that says so. The same government whose guidance on diet and exercise has resulted in the most chronically diseased population in history.

Remain terrified, question nothing, stay home. Be good little sheep.

[QUOTE=Tommy101;5082268]Remain terrified, question nothing, stay home. Be good little sheep.[/QUOTE]Like my Daddy once told me you can't teach a stupid conspiracy theory loser anything aka white inbred middle-class republicans who vote out of their pay scale and lost! Smart forward thinking adults wear mask and go about their business, loser conspiracy theory morons don't wear mask and spread this trumps virus. Pathetic little fools who don't believe in Doctors and Scientists.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5082428]Like my Daddy once told me you can't teach a stupid conspiracy theory loser anything aka white inbred middle-class republicans who vote out of their pay scale and lost! Smart forward thinking adults wear mask and go about their business, [b]loser conspiracy theory morons don't wear mask and spread this trumps virus[/b]. Pathetic little fools who don't believe in Doctors and Scientists.[/QUOTE]You mean like Nancy Pelosi not wearing a mask when she got her hair done or Gavin Newsom not wearing a mask at a birthday party?

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5082428]Like my Daddy once told me you can't teach a stupid conspiracy theory loser anything aka white inbred middle-class republicans who vote out of their pay scale and lost! Smart forward thinking adults wear mask and go about their business, loser conspiracy theory morons don't wear mask and spread this trumps virus. Pathetic little fools who don't believe in Doctors and Scientists.[/QUOTE]Did daddy happen to teach you the cure for ignorance? Jay Bhattachara is an actual Doctor. He ran a series of studies in Santa Clara county, California to determine the number of people with COVID anti-bodies in their system and compared it to the number of reported cases (for the same population). The ratio was 50:1. The study has since been replicated in other areas with very similar results. [URL]https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/sensible-compassionate-anti-covid-strategy/.[/URL] Anyhow, you're a winner. I'm sure that your daddy taught you that as well. While you're working on your affliction, look up the meaning of argumentum ad hominem. In my observation it is the go to line of reasoning employed by the leftist winners. Pay attention and see if you don't agree.

[QUOTE=SmoothDriver;5082428]Like my Daddy once told me you can't teach a stupid conspiracy theory loser anything aka white inbred middle-class republicans who vote out of their pay scale and lost! Smart forward thinking adults wear mask and go about their business, loser conspiracy theory morons don't wear mask and spread this trumps virus. Pathetic little fools who don't believe in Doctors and Scientists.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yep you nailed it man. And when gas hits 4 bucks a gallon you can kiss my ass.