"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Round3;5971654]Title says it all. I have a conference near Seattle this coming week. I have only one interest so far with my request for some discreet adult fun while out there. I was thinking with 5. 86 gas there, some East Coast cash might look nice in some babe's wallet.[/QUOTE]Well, hopefully you filled some babe's wallet. And filled her other things LOL. IMO if you're successful in your home turf on SA, you're likely to be successful in any reasonably decent metro area. If you have trouble in your home turf, you will have trouble traveling. Although most SB types (non escorts) usually want ongoing, there are usually some amenable to a one-time traveler. Just have to work harder and deal with more flakes (even more than regular if that's possible), etc.

I rarely travel at all (which really sucks) but have had some success on the rare occasions I do and use the same overall approach I use at home. For better or worse, (Worse lately LOL) But when traveling, unlike some wrote here, I'm up front about only being a fleeting SD, blowing thru town only for a short stay. As some point out, maybe that prevents many SB's from biting, but others don't care. Likely the more transactional types I will admit, but work hard enough and some good ones will bite. Sometimes also I think there are girls that just want a one time and not have to reject anyone. Or if they have a BF or married and just want to get rando-plowed for kicks. There are all types on SA.

But suggesting you'll be back periodically, that's a good point I'll try next time.

It's key to start ahead of time though, several weeks ahead of when you will be there. And be prepared to get many messages after you have already left and won't be back for awhile. I try to harvest these contacts and chat with these as groundwork for the next visit.

[QUOTE=HarryMcHardon;5980264]Catching up on the posts here and this one made me laugh because reminded me of a funny story that's just one of thse things when you get older. I have the same problem periodically with my hammies. What helps me is daily stretching, eating bananas and avoiding excess sodium in my diet. Also light workouts, ham curls, at the gym. These help a lot, but sometimes I still have issues with hamstring lock up, and it's almost always in the sack. Never gardening or playing with the dog. Ugh. Last time it happened I was receiving a kneeling BJ. And my hammy locked up right at the most inopportune time. Like one those porn blooper clips I had to stop everything and get up and stretch, which of course, um was a very unwelcome interruption.

Otherwise, I'm pretty contortive (if that's a word) and bedroom-agile for my age.

I think most guys here know that taking care of one's health helps extend this game dramatically, but not without some issues here and there.[/QUOTE]Try Advil before and after. Sometimes knowing your limits and what you can and can't do. Nice hot shower prior helps limber it up. Be safe.

[QUOTE=Round3;5971654]Title says it all. I have a conference near Seattle this coming week. I have only one interest so far with my request for some discreet adult fun while out there. I was thinking with 5. 86 gas there, some East Coast cash might look nice in some babe's wallet.[/QUOTE]Seattle, 4-5 bills will get you most SB's to jump in the sack.

When, I travel I just PM them and say I am in town for business, are you interested in a short term agreement.

Always find a lady wanting to play.

[QUOTE=Round3;5971654]Title says it all. I have a conference near Seattle this coming week. I have only one interest so far with my request for some discreet adult fun while out there. I was thinking with 5. 86 gas there, some East Coast cash might look nice in some babe's wallet.[/QUOTE]I know this post is a couple days old but I'm not sure how often you travel to the PNW. Cost of living there is out of control and we should want their money. Lot of tech companies call it home and salaries are high. They won't be impresssed by a Richmond income. Seattle is probably comparable to NOVA at this point.

Stay safe.

RR.

[QUOTE=BagIt;5963758]I was banned 2 weeks ago but I now have a new profile w / no pic but I have not yet paid for a premium membership. If I use a different credit card from the card I used before banned will I be ok, or get banned again because the card will have my same name and address as the old card. What advice do you guys have?[/QUOTE]Was banned myself recently. So far everyone has pretty good ideas of how to log back in. Things that worked for me:

1.) Completely uninstall the seeking app on my phone.

2.) Cleared my cache on my phone using the manual reset. Depending on the model of your phone will probably be different. Here is a youtube link that I followed with my Samsung phone ([URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbIepmawxmg[/URL]) 1 min into the vid was the manual reset.

3.) Downloaded a VPN on my phone (cyberghost, surfshark, nordVPN etc.) will need to get a subscription. Which having a secure VPN is ideal anyways.

4.) Login attempt: After cache cleared you possibly use a new google account, but I decided to open with a proton account.

5.) As some of the other lad's mentioned on this topic. Everything on your profile has to look and sound different.

6.) Subscription: I used google pay, but used a different CC and had to change it in my phone account settings.

I've been on since yesterday so I am hoping that the bot parade doesn't learn a new algorithm or anything. Good luck!

[QUOTE=GiveItRaw10;5980749]Was banned myself recently. So far everyone has pretty good ideas of how to log back in. Things that worked for me:

1.) Completely uninstall the seeking app on my phone.

2.) Cleared my cache on my phone using the manual reset. Depending on the model of your phone will probably be different. Here is a youtube link that I followed with my Samsung phone ([URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbIepmawxmg[/URL]) 1 min into the vid was the manual reset.

3.) Downloaded a VPN on my phone (cyberghost, surfshark, nordVPN etc.) will need to get a subscription. Which having a secure VPN is ideal anyways.

4.) Login attempt: After cache cleared you possibly use a new google account, but I decided to open with a proton account.

5.) As some of the other lad's mentioned on this topic. Everything on your profile has to look and sound different.

6.) Subscription: I used google pay, but used a different CC and had to change it in my phone account settings.

I've been on since yesterday so I am hoping that the bot parade doesn't learn a new algorithm or anything. Good luck![/QUOTE]Wouldn't you be able to avoid step #3 and the associated cost if one just used the Tor Browser? Quadruple redundant VPN protection? Or on the phone isn't the equivalent the Orbot always running in the background?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e2f6bec6-5c86-415b-a620-be3d6e22ee0a[/URL] -- yeah, chicks that look like this in RVA are on seeking. And the nearest Soul Cycle is. Arlington.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/49798849-6b99-4982-8782-85244a29e123[/URL] - 9 bod, 8 face, marginal comms. Seems too busy with work to ever meet.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2c556095-1b23-48a4-8b4b-2d52e393a3a1[/URL] - sassy, sarcastic but missing the big S -- Silent. Can't get a word otu of her.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf4b5c07-4b09-4707-b3c8-642d64df856a[/URL] - not her first rodeo, but can't get her to text. She keeps deactivating when she takes breaks so she doesn't get bombarded with messages.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2124534b-a6d9-4641-ba93-055fd4ba8e55[/URL] - initial engagement that seemed legit. Silent for days but active anyone get anywhere?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c78180ab-fb4a-4df4-b27e-0585f4e9e32e[/URL] -- she's back, but seems to have taken platonic references off her profile. But still can't get anywhere.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/45b76aac-c486-4b26-90b9-ad15ca2f6cbf[/URL] -- seems real, b ut limited replies and activity.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9702b2ec-9940-403f-9acd-6f6a0b0f567b[/URL] - totally flaked on meeting, lots of excuses, 1030 am "I'm in the shower getting ready" Noon "waiting on my sister to get back with my car".

[QUOTE=SBmidlo;5969887]#1 I saw a review over on the NOVA or Fredericksburg board.

#2 is definitely DTF. The profile pic is 3 years old but she still looks decent. Have had a meet and greet. She sent me home with her panties!! LOL She is currently living with a friend down there in the Manchester area. Works at a restaurant and walks to work. Trying to raise rent money to get her own place and she will host once that happens. She's been approved for the place but doesn't have the $ yet. Our schedules just haven't worked out yet but could have had it by now. Trying for this weekend.[/QUOTE]How did things go with #2 (the panty gifter LOL) I've been talking with her and interested how things might develop.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5979263]Get your head out of the gutter. I want to know how long someone who has a SO can keep going in the sugar bowl without discovery. And, then, to what age do you think / believe / have actually stayed in the bowl?[/QUOTE]For me, about 4 years in the bowl. But I'm pretty underground, and have strict rules with my activities, so much that I likely lose a lotta chances at SBs I otherwise could see if I were less careful, er paranoid.

The other thing is, we can have the world's best opsec, but after that what's more likely to impact our ability to evade detection on the home front is fairly uncontrollable by us, and that is what type of SO you have, and her lifestyle. If your SO works, is very independently active, has many friends, many outside interests, travels w / friends, then you are much safer than someone with a SO who's retired and / or with few friends or outside activities and seeks most of her life's enjoyment through you. In the latter case, you're kinda in a straightjacket. She has plenty of time to keep track of you, so you're operating in a much tighter operating window and this is something that you can't do much about.

I'll keep at this til - 1, I get caught, 2, run out of untraceable money, or 3, My ability declines to the level where I have to stick a needle in my dick. And #3 is much easier to say if you aren't there yet, so it remains to be seen on that one.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5981545][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e2f6bec6-5c86-415b-a620-be3d6e22ee0a[/URL] -- yeah, chicks that look like this in RVA are on seeking. And the nearest Soul Cycle is. Arlington.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/49798849-6b99-4982-8782-85244a29e123[/URL] - 9 bod, 8 face, marginal comms. Seems too busy with work to ever meet.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2c556095-1b23-48a4-8b4b-2d52e393a3a1[/URL] - sassy, sarcastic but missing the big S -- Silent. Can't get a word otu of her.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/bf4b5c07-4b09-4707-b3c8-642d64df856a[/URL] - not her first rodeo, but can't get her to text. She keeps deactivating when she takes breaks so she doesn't get bombarded with messages.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/2124534b-a6d9-4641-ba93-055fd4ba8e55[/URL] - initial engagement that seemed legit. Silent for days but active anyone get anywhere?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/c78180ab-fb4a-4df4-b27e-0585f4e9e32e[/URL] -- she's back, but seems to have taken platonic references off her profile. But still can't get anywhere.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/45b76aac-c486-4b26-90b9-ad15ca2f6cbf[/URL] -- seems real, b ut limited replies and activity.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/9702b2ec-9940-403f-9acd-6f6a0b0f567b[/URL] - totally flaked on meeting, lots of excuses, 1030 am "I'm in the shower getting ready" Noon "waiting on my sister to get back with my car".[/QUOTE]That last one, the one you said flaked on you, looks very familiar. I've never met her but I think I've communicated with her, and I believe she's just a straight up escort. I believe she's been around for quite sometime.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5981319]Wouldn't you be able to avoid step #3 and the associated cost if one just used the Tor Browser? Quadruple redundant VPN protection? Or on the phone isn't the equivalent the Orbot always running in the background?[/QUOTE]Yeah for sure. I just understand that using TOR alone, it doesn't offer a full encryption on your online data. Like if you are using TOR alone on the way from the last node to another destination server, you are vulnerable to being attacked.

[QUOTE=HarryMcHardon;5981906]For me, about 4 years in the bowl. But I'm pretty underground, and have strict rules with my activities, so much that I likely lose a lotta chances at SBs I otherwise could see if I were less careful, er paranoid.

The other thing is, we can have the world's best opsec, but after that what's more likely to impact our ability to evade detection on the home front is fairly uncontrollable by us, and that is what type of SO you have, and her lifestyle. If your SO works, is very independently active, has many friends, many outside interests, travels w / friends, then you are much safer than someone with a SO who's retired and / or with few friends or outside activities and seeks most of her life's enjoyment through you. In the latter case, you're kinda in a straightjacket. She has plenty of time to keep track of you, so you're operating in a much tighter operating window and this is something that you can't do much about.

I'll keep at this til - 1, I get caught, 2, run out of untraceable money, or 3, My ability declines to the level where I have to stick a needle in my dick. And #3 is much easier to say if you aren't there yet, so it remains to be seen on that one.[/QUOTE]I hear you brother, loud and clear. I am in much the same boat, this all sounds familiar. I generate play money mostly by gambling, but you have to be good enough at it. I also often think if I had no SO to worry about, I would have a higher batting average, b / c I could act when opportunity presents itself. However, of course there are many many reasons guys w / SOs are on seeking.

[QUOTE=TakesALicking;5981609]How did things go with #2 (the panty gifter LOL) I've been talking with her and interested how things might develop.[/QUOTE]We still have not met up for FC. It's on me though as I've been working way too much and not making time for fun. She is blowing my phone up with texts though trying to get together. Update since my last post, she now has her own place so can host. And her hours got cut at the restaurant she's working at down there so she needs to make a few bucks. So keep chatting with her and I'm sure you can set something up. If I get there first I'll report back LOL.

[QUOTE=GiveItRaw10;5982160]Yeah for sure. I just understand that using TOR alone, it doesn't offer a full encryption on your online data. Like if you are using TOR alone on the way from the last node to another destination server, you are vulnerable to being attacked.[/QUOTE]Sure, Some Gov't tech genius can sit on that last exit node and monitor what comes out, but being bounced around 3 other nodes means there is no way to I'd who is on the exit node. So I doubt SA is going to be able to I'd you as offender XYZ from that exit node, which is different each time or can be changed mid-game. So what we are talking about is getting back on SA? Not staying safe from some gubmint alphabet agency.

Why do you need encrypted data to access SA?

The steps you outlined would skuttle the IP address and MAC addresses that have been reportedly used to I'd repeat offenders.

OK, well all know about 'hooker time' when it comes to dealing with the drug addicted street walkers and escorts. They get stuck in a 'nod' or have to hurry to 'get well' before meeting a dude and there are a million ways that can go wrong and lead to time delays. Or they aren't in control of their living situation or transportation so many places for a snafu to occur. After all most of these girl, IF they could manage their time, could probably have productive jobs and lives. So, if we are smart, we open a can of patience when dealing with these types of 'dates!

But then youse gots yer Sugar Babies that want 2 X or 3 X what we have to offer up on the street. I mean at that level of compensation, shouldn't SBs be a better experience? Should we have to put up with 'hooker time' when engaging a SB? After all if a girl can't manage to be on time for a Meet & Greet what does that say about her ability to show up for a date on time? I mean those with tight schedules could lose the ability to complete a date if the SB is 35-45 minutes late!

So what is up with these SBs that don't take time seriously?

Oh and then if the dude happens to leave because his time is valuable, she's gunna curse him out, call him all kinds of names and claim he wasted her time. Then she'll spend miles of unproductive text time arguing over who wasted whose time.

I mean shit, I didn't get to where I am able to play in the sugar bowl because I fritter away time or showed up late to jobs or job interviews. I guess when you are flatbacking for a living such subtitles escape the girls?

Then again perhaps there are enough numbnuts out there that are so excited a pretty girl MAY want to fuck them that they will put up with this form of disrespect?

What gives?

[color=gray][I]stepping down off of the soapbox[/I][/color]